Supernatural elements

I agree. I fail to see where any flaming was going on. The only problem I saw was people not able to handle an opinion opposite their own.

I suppose we could move this to Intelligent Debate and open it again, since the way the discussion was heading it's more fitting for there anyway. We'll try that out.

I have atcually studied and researched this stuff for some time, the ghost side any ways and been to many said to be Haunted Locations, I have some footage of Shoes in a shoes shop coming off of shelves hitting the floor then landing on a higher shelf than they fell from... Its CCTV and a little Jerky, but its viewable, but easy to rig so your not gunna think its real, same with other footage I have you can hear a SUcking in Noise like a Wistle every time we ask a question... But again easy to Rig... Most of the time you have to be there to understand whats happening... But many a time a week or two later I start doubting it... like I do pretty much every thing... Nothing is ever black and white there are always shades of Grey... But its still interesting stuff...

I am worried though those who are less open to this sort of thread ripping apart claims by those that have experineced these things may make them stop posting... Fine put across your points but please try and do so nicely like well this could be another explanation, or are you sure it wasn't and then give a reason...

I can say with certainty that ghosts do not exist and I can defend this claim. You, on the other hand, can't defend your claim because the only proof you have are unverifiable anecdotes. I have more right to say that I know the truth about ghosts than you do.

Why not give reasons as to why you think Ghosts don't exsist...

Here is an Arguement why they do:-

When you die you loose 36grams in weight, thats the exact moment of Brain death, nobody can explain this... What if thats your Energy / Soul being released... What if thats the whole purpose of life to reproduce to create more energy for a greater purpose...??  How comes so many people from all walks of life have a Ghost story of sorts, steeming from My-self to Royalty, and why has there been sightings world wide... Crysis Ghosts and poltergeists being the most frequent... Poltergeist activity can often be linked to another reason of happening granted, but some times a Video is released that has no real way of doubting it, Check these out:-

BEST NET GHOSTS VIDS I HAVE FOUND
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/142990/if_u_dont_belive_in_ghosts_wait_til_u_see_this/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/356699/scary_ghost_footage/

And again these two video's could have been staged, and with the latest of Video techniques and editing equipment you or I could create simular... But why would we want to ?...

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I am in two minds... I have died before and I saw nothing, I felt nothing... No out of body thing...

But then I have seen and heard strange stuff, But then again I have had LSD type stuff (Legal Highs like Salvia) in my life so no fricken wonder I see stuff...LOL

I find this stuff really interesting...

I Have tried EVP that works and any one can do it, you just need a Magnetic tape recorder... (See here http://www.aaevp.com/)

Ouija Boards work... But its also been said to be mentally driven by the user... Make your own minds up buy one from Ebay:- http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=ouija

Any ways I hope people keep posting !!!

LOL

I believe in ghosts too, but trying to break it down into an exact science...that's just BULLSHIT. lol

http://www.aaevp.com/techniques/techniques_evp9.htm

that's just BULLSHIT. lol

What parts and why...?

I am worried though those who are less open to this sort of thread ripping apart claims by those that have experineced these things may make them stop posting... Fine put across your points but please try and do so nicely like well this could be another explanation, or are you sure it wasn't and then give a reason...

Almost every ghost story told here has been stupid and if that is all there is to offer then it's better that they don't embarass themselves.

I can say with certainty that ghosts do not exist and I can defend this claim. You, on the other hand, can't defend your claim because the only proof you have are unverifiable anecdotes. I have more right to say that I know the truth about ghosts than you do.

Why not give reasons as to why you think Ghosts don't exsist...

Because there is no proof they exist. Aside from a few videos of jiggling doorknobs what can ou show me that says that there is something there?

Here is an Arguement why they do:-

When you die you loose 36grams in weight, thats the exact moment of Brain death, nobody can explain this...
 What if thats your Energy / Soul being released... What if thats the whole purpose of life to reproduce to create more energy for a greater purpose...??

Snopes disproved this.

How comes so many people from all walks of life have a Ghost story of sorts, steeming from My-self to Royalty, and why has there been sightings world wide... Crysis Ghosts and poltergeists being the most frequent...

As this thread has proven, people like to call anything that looks strange a "ghost".

Poltergeist activity can often be linked to another reason of happening granted, but some times a Video is released that has no real way of doubting it, Check these out:-

BEST NET GHOSTS VIDS I HAVE FOUND
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/142990/if_u_dont_belive_in_ghosts_wait_til_u_see_this/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/356699/scary_ghost_footage/

The first one is strange but I've seen magicians do things that are a lot more fantastic, and they admit that it's an illusion. The second one is, well, shit. It's a video that take thirty second to explain itself because if people ssaw the video without an explanation they wouldn't see anything supernatural about it.

And again these two video's could have been staged, and with the latest of Video techniques and editing equipment you or I could create simular... But why would we want to ?...

Who knows? If I knew I could pull it off I'd do it just to see how many people I could fool.

I Have tried EVP that works and any one can do it, you just need a Magnetic tape recorder... (See here http://www.aaevp.com/)

So I'll just turn on a tape recorder and leave it lying around, and it'll record voices? Amazing! Fact i, it would pick up voices even if nobody was in the house. It i east to hear people talking outside.

Ouija Boards work... But its also been said to be mentally driven by the user... Make your own minds up buy one from Ebay:- http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=ouija

Ouija boards are the stupidest fucking thing in the universe. A bunch of people yelling "I'm not moving it!" even though they have their hands on the thing.

This thread is fucking lolarious.

Nope thats a Shit Pop band... or is that Ludacrious... I dunno... But yeah some of it is... Or is it...??

Ouija boards are the stupidest fucking thing in the universe. A bunch of people yelling "I'm not moving it!" even though they have their hands on the thing.

Before I had a real board I made my own, using a Scrabble set of letters and some Scissors in the middle... me and my mates played it, linking hands and sitting around it, the Scissors span spelling out the words... But we didn't put down a blank letter tab so we had no spaces, and it took us a week to work out what it was really saying and even then it made very little sense... But it was moving FAST and on its own... But if I recorded some thing like that then I guess people say ogh its a simple trick using Magnets or some thing... Nobody chooses to beleave this stuff... Just try some of it...

So I'll just turn on a tape recorder and leave it lying around, and it'll record voices? Amazing! Fact i, it would pick up voices even if nobody was in the house. It i east to hear people talking outside.

Errr... I have done Ouija boards before with the Tape recording and the board has done nothing, but on the tape I had answers to all the questions I asked... The Voice are very low most of the time and the sound has to be right up, there's lots of static and its hard to make full sense all of the time it takes a few tries to get some thing half decent... But try it...

Snopes disproved this.

Snopes... Actually states its True... But I got the weight wrong its approx 21 grams... see the link:- http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

As this thread has proven, people like to call anything that looks strange a "ghost".

Wrong people world over have many different names for Ghosts, but they amount to the same thing... ANd I think I said they are creatures that move in a different time zone to us, Gods First creation the Djinn...

Here's is a good site that gives all different looks at the Paranormal world of Ghosts or Unnormal events:- http://www.mysterymag.com/yourexperiences/?page=article&subID=112&artID=543

Again much on there looks like junk... Same with all these sites and this thread... But at the same time you shouldn't discredit the events try and disprove them, or ask about events before the event or what makes people think that its the only explanation for what they have seen... I have admitted mine should not be credable, But I will still let people know what I saw and felt...

I also played around making UT2003 Maps... I made one called DM-House (Its on On Unrealplaygrpund.com) There are loads of Low Frequency sound files I added into the music to make the player feel some one is in the room with them...

There's loads about the Human mind that can play tricks on us...

Ouija boards are the stupidest fucking thing in the universe. A bunch of people yelling "I'm not moving it!" even though they have their hands on the thing.

Before I had a real board I made my own, using a Scrabble set of letters and some Scissors in the middle... me and my mates played it, linking hands and sitting around it, the Scissors span spelling out the words... But we didn't put down a blank letter tab so we had no spaces, and it took us a week to work out what it was really saying and even then it made very little sense... But it was moving FAST and on its own... But if I recorded some thing like that then I guess people say ogh its a simple trick using Magnets or some thing... Nobody chooses to beleave this stuff... Just try some of it...

If it was that easy don't you think that it would be commonplace, and that we wouldn't even be arguing about it?

So I'll just turn on a tape recorder and leave it lying around, and it'll record voices? Amazing! Fact i, it would pick up voices even if nobody was in the house. It i east to hear people talking outside.

Errr... I have done Ouija boards before with the Tape recording and the board has done nothing, but on the tape I had answers to all the questions I asked... The Voice are very low most of the time and the sound has to be right up, there's lots of static and its hard to make full sense all of the time it takes a few tries to get some thing half decent... But try it...

If I take any tape of static and listened hard enough I'd hear voice too.

Snopes disproved this.

Snopes... Actually states its True... But I got the weight wrong its approx 21 grams... see the link:- http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

You found the link, now read the article.

As this thread has proven, people like to call anything that looks strange a "ghost".

Wrong people world over have many different names for Ghosts, but they amount to the same thing...

Are you shitting me?

Again much on there looks like junk... Same with all these sites and this thread... But at the same time you shouldn't discredit the events try and disprove them, or ask about events before the event or what makes people think that its the only explanation for what they have seen...

Why not?

This is the part your reffering to:-

What to make of all this? MacDougall's results were flawed because the methodology used to harvest them was suspect, the sample size far too small, and the ability to measure changes in weight imprecise. For this reason, credence should not be given to the idea his experiments proved something, let alone that they measured the weight of the soul as 21 grams. His postulations on this topic are a curiousity, but nothing more.

I see what your saying... Your right...  I read the top area, of the page and got fed up half way down, I have watched the fim, and blinking good it is too...

The Top is misleading:-

Status:   True.

If it was that easy don't you think that it would be commonplace, and that we wouldn't even be arguing about it?

Many people discredit it, or its against their Religion, Or they don't want to think we are not allown... some are too scared to try it... And I am not Arguing, I am voicing what I have done, and the results I got...

If I take any tape of static and listened hard enough I'd hear voice too.

I left mine recoding when I was living at home about 8 years back in my bed room I was the only one in my Room, the house is brick built in an area that we had no neighbours, Only my Parents where in and asleep long before me... When I played it back I heard a Girl Crying at the same time as me snoring, like a wimper, you know when a Kid Sobbs, its was like that then a wining noise... and it was Loud, I didn't have to adjust the volume, I wish I was awake at the time... If you satrt looking into these sort of things you will find all sorts...

How about this... When your walking down the street have you ever had the feeling your being watched...?  You turn around and look at the place you think some one is and there they are starring right at you... What if when you get that feeling and you think your alone your not... and in actual fact your being watched by some thing else... some thing you can't see... SOme thing that Phases in and out of our plane of exsistance...

Sounds Crazy... But what if your senses are right...

Most of the time I feel like I'm being watched I am not actually being watched.

That's just Big Brother, no need to worry.


p.s. It's Ludacris. And it's not a band.

Most of the time I feel like I'm being watched I am not actually being watched.

Try drawing what you think it is watching you...

Most of the time I feel like I'm being watched I am not actually being watched.

Take some lithium and that'll go away in no time.

It works, it really does.

Francium Oil capsules work like a charm!

Fear - You know the fealing you get when your being watched but your alone, or if you laying in bed and you think some is in there with you, right behind you should you roll over... or when your driving and think some one is in the back seat... This is a painting of what I think that some one looks like.

Funny enough from the point of painting this picture I don't get the feeling so much any more.

Thats a good picture to represent fear....
but when I when I think somebodys there I picutre an old man...
About 60-80 years old...
Bladish... not completly he shill has hair round the sides...
Has a white beard and a cane...
His back isnt bent over tho he stands quite straight but just leans casually on the cane...
He wears a brownish wollen vest type thing with a flannel shit underneath...
And some gray pants and loafers...
Wow I never knew it was so descriptive but thats who I think is watching...

Its funny you can describe the person so well... Some times when  your being watched in the street and you can feel eye's on you some times you instintively know the ocation of the person watching you, and moments before you turn you already know its gunna be male or female and when you do see them its like you have already seen them before.

So it makes you wonder if what your imagining is really there, you just can't see them.

Fear - You know the fealing you get when your being watched but your alone, or if you laying in bed and you think some is in there with you, right behind you should you roll over... or when your driving and think some one is in the back seat... This is a painting of what I think that some one looks like.

Funny enough from the point of painting this picture I don't get the feeling so much any more.

Everything you describe in that post I have personally experienced ('cept I don't drive). And oddly enough, that's what I thought the thing looked like too. Often I feel it is behind me, but sometime I get the feeling it's right in front of me, staring me down and sizing me up, waiting to make the killing move...*shudders*

I think its a Djinn... The banished people that once walked the Earth before our time... now know in modern times as a Demon

I think its a Djinn... The banished people that once walked the Earth before our time... now know in modern times as a Demon

I think it's your imagination.

I'm right, by the way.

Why would two people with at least an ocean of space between them who hardly even know eachother that well imagine the same exact thing?

Strange thing is I painted this picture about a year ago... and then started looking into what people imagine the things are that are watching them, some imagine them to be human but others, usually people who have no faith or religion, not been chrisend etc... that imagine the unseen as Demons.

And yes I said Imagine... Part is imagination... I have never seen a Demon, not like the one I have painted any way...

People all around the world have reported simular.

But I am baptized, and a devout Methodist...

Fear - You know the fealing you get when your being watched but your alone, or if you laying in bed and you think some is in there with you, right behind you should you roll over... or when your driving and think some one is in the back seat... This is a painting of what I think that some one looks like.

Funny enough from the point of painting this picture I don't get the feeling so much any more.

Looks like a negro.

Looks like a negro.

*breaks out into hysterical laughter*