Supernatural elements

Well I have had alot of freaky stuff happen to me int he past 6-7 years.
Including Ghost's, UFO's, and Time Portals.... honest... These are my stories...
UFO's
1. My first encounter with a UFO thing was when I was 13.
   My room was arranged so my bed was facing the window.
  And I was lying on my bed listning to my music at night so it was dark and then the    curtain just light up like a car had its lights shining on my window and there was a sound of a plane sort of. Like a 747 but not as loud. That was my first UFO encounter.

2. 2 years later I was at a mates house when I heard the sound again, a group of us were bouncing on the trampoline at night. So I freaked and ran inside... The others said they didn't see anything but they did hear it.

3. The night after the above it was just me and my mate and we were on his BasketBall court when I heard the sound once more, this time I didn't run because I wanted to see if I could work out what that sound was... then I saw it. It was a UFO moving across the sky not very fast but still fast enough. I rushed over to my bag where I had my camera and took this photograph.



4. Not me but a mate of mine was walking through the park at bout 10 at night, and he saw a group of people (probably goths knowing our park) all in a group starign upward. he went over and asked what was up (lol PUN) and they just pointed up. So he looked up and saw 3-6 lights in the sky just moving around in circles and chasing eachother and stuff like that. He text me but because I was asleep I didn't get it till the morning.

Coming in the future!!!

A_D Ghost stories!!!!
Time portals
Giant cats

Wow, just wow Nows here my story

1. Well it was about 3am in my street i was up watching T.V i couldn't sleep because had major tests the next day and i had been studying 3 days till that day so i heard this noise like a loud screech sound it hurt my ears i said to myself that it just a cat being raped or worse beacause a werid guy like to kill cats in our street "Satinist" i think but anyways i looked outside to see what looked to like a black object lieing or sitting on the road, when a car doing 80-90km\h or somthing when strait over the thing the screetching once again happened i slowly got dressed and grabbed my baseball bat yes i play baseball so i've walked over to this thing but i still couldn't see it the car that hit it or had gone thru it had turned round and now was parked next to my house the people had got out to see it was a young couple the were nice they had a torch in the car so they go it out and we turned it on in horror to find a cow with its insides rip out just laying on its back eyes open and everything , that was what they hit but the screetching, a high pitched noise like a BEEEEEEEOOOOOWWWWWPPPPPPP like a plane or somthing i looked up and saw 3 triangle lights in the sky darting away i ran inside locked the door and i have been scared to go outside at night since what do you thing about it ?

Huh. I think I might have encountered a UFO, but my common sense says of course not! The "Might be, might be not" occasion occured a few months ago when I was sneaking on the computer at night well past my bedtime. Around 2:42 AM. I saw some very tiny lights appear above my clock. I looked around to see if any light was reflecting from my desk stuff, but nope. The lights twittered around in a criss cross formation. I looked behind me and my poster reflects my room because of the light coming from my computer. No tiny lights emanating from the poster. I heard a small static noise, but I couldn't track it. I finally found where it was coming from. My ceiling. I stood on top of my bed and tilted my ear towards the ceiling. The static had a very loud BURST, then got quiet in an instant. It didn't awake my mom or my brother, even though the sound must have been at least 90 decibles. I haven't experienced anything other than that though.

Hum. Might as well tell my UFO story.

I was camping with my family some years ago, I was probably about 14. It was around midnight and we were all sitting around the campfire having a good time. The conversation turned to the stars, and we were all looking up at them. While we were looking up and talking, we started to hear the low hum in this distance. It slowly grew closer. A huge object came into view above us. The hum was very loud at this point, and it got really windy. The trees and the fire were blowing everywhere. The giant thing had an entirely reflective surface, it was hard to even tell what we were looking at. It was flying pretty low and covered the whole clearing. We exchanged "what the hell is that thing?!"s, and it was gone as quickly as it came.

I actually kinda completely forgot about it untill now. I'm sure there's some perfectly reasonable explanation for what we saw...

Ok I'll tell mine too.

   I was in my back yard with my dog it was doing it's daily chase the cat in a circle for and an hour and barking. When the dog finally get the cat all it does it licks it's ass (it likes eating cat crap). Any who I was standing there and there was a soft humming noise and I looked up and saw this weird star.

  I went inside and got my camera and took two picks. I put them on my computer but they would not save. When I tried to look at them they were gone. The next morning I woke up and went outside. The "star" was still there in the day time.

 That night I when to sleep and when I woke the bed felt weird, I tried to sit up but I was strapped down to a metal table. Over me stood three people I thought they were humans but they had two noses. They spoke in a language that sounded a little like Chinese. One of them said the word "probe" to me and grabbed my arm he stabbed me with a needle and took it out.

 I blacked out and woke up in my bed with a bump on my wrist.

We've had many fireballs and bright green lights fly past our house. But I never saw them, my parents did. But I saw what I thought was a UFO.
Often at night, I will gaze at the stars hoping for my chance to see something. One such night I had my telescope out and I noticed a "star," which was flashing multiple colours, but it was moving very slowly. In the sky, it was about the size of theis full stop- .
So I stood there watching it, and colours got more rapid and lustrous, and it shot out into space Star Trek style. I saw it shoot off as a line. Mum was with me and all I said was,
"They were watching us..."

WOW I didnt think I would get many stories back thats cool as...

Huh. I think I might have encountered a UFO, but my common sense says of course not! The "Might be, might be not" occasion occured a few months ago when I was sneaking on the computer at night well past my bedtime. Around 2:42 AM. I saw some very tiny lights etc

If it was inside it sounds like it was a spirit, because thats how some spirits appear.
Ghost stories now...

1. The first time I experienced a spirit It was about 8 at night and it was dark, I needed to go to my room for some reason (can't remember) and so I walked towards the hallway which was dark so I flicked teh light switch and saw the shadow of a being quickly duck in to the toilet room so I went to open the door to see what it was but the room was empty. Not a trace of a being to be found. Freaked me out.

2. The second time I was lying in my bed at night ready to sleep when I looked around and saw two small lights float around in the corner. I just closed my eyes and hoped they went away... which they did after I told them to go away.

3. Walking down the hallway to my room I saw some lights flash along the wall like somebody flashed a torch across the wall except I was home alone.

4. A few months ago I was walking to my room again to grab my Ipod when I looked down the hallway (you can see straight into my roo cause its at teh end) and saw a light shining in my room, I sniffed (because I had a cold and a runny nose), it was quite loud and the light just faded quickly...

5. My Dad was up late and cooked him self a meal. He went to sit back down once he finished he took his dishes back up and notice the oven had been turned BACK on. He had turned it off in the first place. The same also happend to me.

6. The most recent. Last night I was sitting at the copmuter at 2 o'clock in the morning, I was sitting there chatting to Djang when I looked over to the lounge area (the right of me)and a human shaped white thing appeared and dissapeared right next to me... I moved as if it whas walking. Its was pretty opaque tooo, not a solid white shape.

Please leave any stories you have also.

I HAVE MORE STORIES TO COME!!!

Man those are a lot of stories for 1 person lolz

yea I know it's kind of scary huh lol...
but I like it.

My earliest encounter was when I was 3 or 4. My whole family was asleep at night, and I woke up. There were 2 boys there. All I can remember is that one was wearing a top hat, Londoner style in the 1800s. I wanted to get out of my room but they wouldn't let me. I let out a massive scream which woke mum and dad. They were trying with all their might to open my door but they couldn't. Remember I was 3 or 4, I wasn't THAT strong. Eventually they did open it and I told them what happened. Maybe they wanted to play... Maybe they needed someone to talk to...But when your 3 or 4, you don't really know much about it and the last thing you want to do is talk to spirits.
A more recent one is I woke up at 3 o'clock at night, (A bit convienient as it is the witching hour) and went to the toilet. When I went to the bathroom, I felt like I was being watched, so I spun around and saw a childlike figure like a dwarf or something. I remember saying out loud, "Go away. I don't want to speak to you." It was running all over the place. So I hurried washing my hands and wanlked past it feeling icy cold. I bolted down the hallway and into my room and ducked under the covers. (Why? I don't know, they can see you anyway, as I found out!) I was laying there stiff and still. I saw dark figure appear above me, larger than the small one, hovering above my bed. My heart jumped. It was lowering itself on to me. I was staring right into it's, what would've been eyes. But I layed there still, trying not to be scared. It's head went for my neck, and so I closed my neck tight, my eyes following it's every move, but it got me still. When the spirit touched me, I felt an unbelievable sensation. My whole body froze and I could speak. But after it left I was fine. I joked with Mum saying it was giving me a goodnight kiss, but it was a tad too close for my liking!
I also have a white mist in my house and a tall dark figure, but they haven't done anything yet.
I think I understand why I experience more than most people I know...
1. I'm a believer and have a very open mind.
2. I am a distant Prince of an Elite Gypsy tribe, (Not the caravan gypsies) My great gandmother's father was a prince so, when it's all broken down, I am one of the distant princes, and more direct because my grandfather was first born, and all children since are only children.

hummmm aliens could exist. thats my only verdict on it. cause ive never had an encounter, and no one has 100% real evidence...sooooo yeaaaaaaah

This is very interesting. First of all I'm impressed that no one yet barged into the topic and started insulting people for believing in what we call "supernatural".

Well, some of my odd experiences are more related to my creepy dreams, so I'll describe one of not-dream-like, one dream-like and one more that my good frend told me about in secrecy (I remembered this one because of the posters here who mentioned "circling balls and sparks." Note that you may find this interesting as I'm not from United States (And from what I see most of you are).

1. One night I just woke up for no real reason. It was too around 3 am. Woke up as I usually do in night. I went to bathroom to do my thing and then went back to lay down. Once I did, I covered myself with the blanket when I heard a very, very silent but hearable wzzzz-pitched sound. Instantly afterwards a high intense of light thrusted through my window curtains and enlightened most of the room. I, surpirsed and stunned, threw my blanket away as I watched the strong light quickly fade away and then, freaked out, ran to check other members of my family if they saw anything. I don't speak about this too much because, for one I can't prove anything at all, for two, they don't believe the accident and for three, I can't say for 100% sure that I wasn't sleeping (Although I believe without a doubt I wasn't sleeping or dreaming).

2. My friend told me that one night of a summerday he went out to check something in the garage. Looking around he noticed a shimmering bluish/white sphere of light that circled in the air moving to its specific direction. He was stunned and kept watching it until it faded in the distance of the sky. He claims he was pretty close to it at first and doesn't think this had anything to do with Earth. At least not anything he saw until them. He also didn't tell many people but did to me after I talked about this light.

3. In my country there are scientific stuides because there are places where people found those circling signs in the cropfields and meadows.

4. Ok I decided not to describe my dreams (which at some point had similarities with what Alwaysideas wrote about) that were like a reality [Imagine you dream but you see your room as if you aren't asleep at all and something is going on inside because of what they are specific)] since I'm freaked out now.  

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I'd also like to add that before I was training magic and I had my encounters with angelic/demonic emincences and spirits so I'd like to advise everyone to take it seriously.

I'd also like to add that some visions you see may not always be a product of nature but a product of your mind - specially if you're seeing tall, black figures. They may be a product of a psycho disorder you may be suffering from.

This is very interesting. First of all I'm impressed that no one yet barged into the topic and started insulting people for believing in what we call "supernatural".

Ghosts are likely a figment of your imagination, and any UFO is more likely to be of human creation than "aliens" or any other such nonsense.

I'd also like to add that some visions you see may not always be a product of nature but a product of your mind - specially if you're seeing tall, black figures. They may be a product of a psycho disorder you may be suffering from.

I'm free of any psycho disorder or anything of such,I know that and I learnt from a very young age to accept the bad stuff and get on with life. I am more open now, and since I understand alot more due to my extensive studies in magic, UFOs our origin etc, I am willing to speak freely with spirits if they wish. I'd probably accept being abducted by aliens, as long as they are good or if they are from Thiaoouba!
As I said, I am a distant prince, sucks it wasn't country royalty though lol

Well now we know at least one if you is insane.

I think the reason I have so many stories is because:

1. I look for stuff like that in life, I don't just sit around and let it come.
2. Like AlwaysIdeas I'm a believer.

I have more but these ones are stupid... and are most definatly not real.

Well now we know at least one if you is insane.

Someone needs to be.

And it doesn't hurt believing or at least having an open mind to the possibility of such things.
And it's good to search for the unknown. You just have to be careful or know what you are doing.

This is very interesting. First of all I'm impressed that no one yet barged into the topic and started insulting people for believing in what we call "supernatural".

Ghosts are likely a figment of your imagination, and any UFO is more likely to be of human creation than "aliens" or any other such nonsense.

Rather not. You had no experience what-so-ever, while I and many other did.

I'd like to know why there isn't more people that have a more open mind. There have just been too many sightings or recordings to even call it a dream or something. Yes, sadly there are some people who create fake crop circles or now more commonly known as pictographs and make fake UFOs, and it's those people that make people worldwide think that us believers are psychopaths.
And people shouldn't insult or hurt people that believe in paranormal topics. They don't know what they experience. That is unfortunately the trouble with the majority of people, they don't believe until something happens to them.
But you can't help since we come from such materialistic world...

First of all I'm impressed that no one yet barged into the topic and started insulting people for believing in what we call "supernatural".

I have arrived.

Angelic_Diablo and Morris Lawry's UFO stories are so silly I can't understand why the first replies weren't "LOL u looser!!"

the_ramen_noodle's story has nothing to do with UFOs at all and it happened "well past [his] bedtime". If every strange light I saw or sound I heard was a UFO then every rock in this universe would have to have an advanced space-faring civilization on it.

GilgameshRO's story is harder to explain but there was nothing supernatural about it, and it could easily have been some sort of terrestrial aircraft.

BanisherOfEden's story is idiotic.

I don't know how to explain AlwaysIdeas' stories except that he is a compulsive liar. That shit is so far fetched that something must be forcing him to tell these whoppers. ALiens, perhaps?

Ghost stories now...

1. The first time I experienced a spirit It was about 8 at night and it was dark, I needed to go to my room for some reason (can't remember) and so I walked towards the hallway which was dark so I flicked teh light switch and saw the shadow of a being quickly duck in to the toilet room so I went to open the door to see what it was but the room was empty. Not a trace of a being to be found. Freaked me out.

I've seen a million of those, they aren't spirits.

2. The second time I was lying in my bed at night ready to sleep when I looked around and saw two small lights float around in the corner. I just closed my eyes and hoped they went away... which they did after I told them to go away.

See above, also you were about to go to sleep.

3. Walking down the hallway to my room I saw some lights flash along the wall like somebody flashed a torch across the wall except I was home alone.

4. A few months ago I was walking to my room again to grab my Ipod when I looked down the hallway (you can see straight into my roo cause its at teh end) and saw a light shining in my room, I sniffed (because I had a cold and a runny nose), it was quite loud and the light just faded quickly...

Well you see spirits everywhere, don't you?

5. My Dad was up late and cooked him self a meal. He went to sit back down once he finished he took his dishes back up and notice the oven had been turned BACK on. He had turned it off in the first place. The same also happend to me.

Ghosts are trying to burn your house down.

6. The most recent. Last night I was sitting at the copmuter at 2 o'clock in the morning, I was sitting there chatting to Djang when I looked over to the lounge area (the right of me)and a human shaped white thing appeared and dissapeared right next to me... I moved as if it whas walking. Its was pretty opaque tooo, not a solid white shape.

Okay, you were

1. Looking at a computer screen at
2. 2AM, and you
3. saw a shape that looked like a person and quickly disappeared when you glanced away

Well, the facts may not agree with you but your story has convinced me!

I think the reason I have so many stories is because:

1. I look for stuff like that in life, I don't just sit around and let it come.
2. Like AlwaysIdeas I'm a believer.

Exactly - you try to explain anything slightly strange by saying that it was ghosts/aliens without any other evidence. Your dad forgetting to turn the oven off is not a ghost story, no matter how sure he was that he didn't forget.

I have more but these ones are stupid... and are most definatly not real.

haha oh wow

And people shouldn't insult or hurt people that believe in paranormal topics. They don't know what they experience. That is unfortunately the trouble with the majority of people, they don't believe until something happens to them.

But they have happened to me. The only difference between me and you is that I try to come up with a theory that doesn't involve ghosts when I want to explain something unusual. To date, I have never encountered something that can't be explained as something, you know, not silly.

A UFO is an Unidentifed Flying Object... Now many people of High acclaim have said to have seen them... They may not be from another planet or have little green men flying them, but they are different to conventional planes and Air craft, so that makes them Unidentifable... nobody has said they have seen a space ship...

So thats why nobody has really said any one has been silly in saying what they have said...

Shadow figures are some thing that people have claimed to see for years... there was once a German man who looked into this by not looking at them when he saw them, rather just watching them from the corner of his eye... he went insane...

Some things are un-explainable, that can make them fall into the releam of Supernatural and Paranomal...

I don't see why you had to go on the attack... But your right that many of these things can have multiple reasons behind them... But to discount one over the other when you was not there is not fair...

A UFO is an Unidentifed Flying Object... Now many people of High acclaim have said to have seen them... They may not be from another planet or have little green men flying them, but they are different to conventional planes and Air craft, so that makes them Unidentifable... nobody has said they have seen a space ship...

So thats why nobody has really said any one has been silly in saying what they have said...

UFO freaks try to have it bot ways: when in the company of friends there is no doubt that a UFO is an object produced by an alien civilization. This was the suggestion by everyone here save for Gilgamesh. But when someone goes "Wait, this is nuts!" they fall back on the strict definition of a UFO being an unidentified flying object. These people are being silly because the only explanation they've considered is the one they want, even though there's no evidence for it.

Shadow figures are some thing that people have claimed to see for years... there was once a German man who looked into this by not looking at them when he saw them, rather just watching them from the corner of his eye... he went insane...

People see shadow figures in the corner of their eye because they're an illusion, not because we naturally try to avoid them.

Some things are un-explainable, that can make them fall into the releam of Supernatural and Paranomal...

Everything can be explained, but certain matters are complicated because the issue is obfuscated by superstition.

I don't see why you had to go on the attack... But your right that many of these things can have multiple reasons behind them... But to discount one over the other when you was not there is not fair...

Because the idea of UFOs being aliens (as everyone in this thread was suggesting) is ridiculous and people let this shit fly far too often.

You should just let people believe what they want. You can't change how people feel...obviously
Attacks only trigger arguments. When dealing in delicate matters like this, you should be careful what you say.

I don't know how to explain AlwaysIdeas' stories except that he is a compulsive liar. That shit is so far fetched that something must be forcing him to tell these whoppers. ALiens, perhaps?

Sorry to tell you this as well, but I'm not a liar.

People see shadow figures in the corner of their eye because they're an illusion, not because we naturally try to avoid them.

I think these shadowy figures are not Human nor Ghosts or Sprites but Creatures that move in a different time zone to us... May be they are Djinn's (Jinn) The race before man that walked the Earth and got Banished to Limbo by God... I am not Musslim, but I do think this could be possible... throughout history in every race and culture they have been reported... I myself have seen them many a time... I have been held down by one and punches have been thrown at my face... I reaserched this and found many have had simular done to them, take the example of the the entity with Carla Moran...

Evidence (if you can call it that)
Djinn's - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie
Carla Moran - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carla_Moran
Held down at night - http://www.paraseek.com/discus/messages/25/486.html?WednesdayOctober1520030335pm

I know this proves very little, Djinn's like most things in religions is considered a load of rubbish in our modren day... Carla Moran is a Alias given and nobody really can say for sure what actually happened... Being Held down can be attributed to Sleep Paralasis...

All I can say is it happens to me and I know what I saw... A Hard Shadow, solid and moving around not effected by objects (distortion like a normal shadow)... I have tried to capture this on tape, I got some thing, My Camera has no night vision, the room is dull lit by my window (Room tinted a blue colour, you know)... And at the point I am held down the room Just goes Really dark... But thats hardly proof... Its so hard and fustrating to prove some thing like this... This started happening to me when I started playing with an Ouija Board and asked about GOD, I was speaking to what claimed to be called Queshed (A German name, I have found through Reaserch)... I was Called Scum three times, and the Planchet then refused to move any more... And still doesn't now...

You should just let people believe what they want. You can't change how people feel...obviously
Attacks only trigger arguments. When dealing in delicate matters like this, you should be careful what you say.

I don't know how to explain AlwaysIdeas' stories except that he is a compulsive liar. That shit is so far fetched that something must be forcing him to tell these whoppers. ALiens, perhaps?

Sorry to tell you this as well, but I'm not a liar.

He's not really attacking anyone. He's intelligently informing you of what he thinks and why he disagrees with you in a very non-offensive way. If you want to discuss things of the supernatural without someone coming in telling you what you're saying is a load of crap, then go to a forum specifically geared towards the supernatural, or start your own. If you can't handle a little criticism, then how are you going to make it through life?

And maybe you're a liar, maybe you're not. In this kind of topic, you're generally going to have the people who believe, and the people who don't, and the people who don't are naturally going to point out plausible explanations for everything, and when there isn't one, generally it's assumed you're a liar. Which, in my opinion, is understandable. It isn't exactly the easiest thing in the world to just trust someone over the internet.

Agh... almost 6 a.m. ... time for bed.

EDIT: As for the sleep paralysis, landofshadows, paranormal researchers almost unanimously assume this to be the cause of many claims of seeing ghosts, hearing things, etc., because your mind is still in a state of sleep, yet awake, and hasn't regained full control. Since you're still technically sleeping, it's common to "see" things, such as monsters, people, etc. Sleep paralysis is pretty much the general explanation for all of that kind of stuff.

I completely understand what everyone says and I accept the criticism. As I said everyone thinks something different. I don't care what anyone thinks. They can say what they like. Personally I find it amusing in a weird sort of way.

Sorry Halo...

He's not really attacking anyone. He's intelligently informing you of what he thinks and why he disagrees with you in a very non-offensive way

I think he is being a little Offensive... in his 1st post, but then he he explains him self in the 2nd, and Yeah, its Non-Offensive... and yeah he gives good reasons, I think his first post could have held more tact...

Like most would agree here you wouldn't see it as true unless you see it with your own eye's...

I mean I can explain my experinces, other than other worldy ones... Like the Ouija Board can move by the subconsious mind... Even though I was playing alone, and have never took German as a Language...

The Night terror thing, I have had Bad dreams all my life and I have waking dreams all the time, I could have dreamt it and not known I was sleeping...

First of all I'm impressed that no one yet barged into the topic and started insulting people for believing in what we call "supernatural".

I have arrived.

Angelic_Diablo and Morris Lawry's UFO stories are so silly I can't understand why the first replies weren't "LOL u looser!!"

the_ramen_noodle's story has nothing to do with UFOs at all and it happened "well past [his] bedtime". If every strange light I saw or sound I heard was a UFO then every rock in this universe would have to have an advanced space-faring civilization on it.

GilgameshRO's story is harder to explain but there was nothing supernatural about it, and it could easily have been some sort of terrestrial aircraft.

BanisherOfEden's story is idiotic.

I don't know how to explain AlwaysIdeas' stories except that he is a compulsive liar. That shit is so far fetched that something must be forcing him to tell these whoppers. ALiens, perhaps?

Ghost stories now...

1. The first time I experienced a spirit It was about 8 at night and it was dark, I needed to go to my room for some reason (can't remember) and so I walked towards the hallway which was dark so I flicked teh light switch and saw the shadow of a being quickly duck in to the toilet room so I went to open the door to see what it was but the room was empty. Not a trace of a being to be found. Freaked me out.

I've seen a million of those, they aren't spirits.

2. The second time I was lying in my bed at night ready to sleep when I looked around and saw two small lights float around in the corner. I just closed my eyes and hoped they went away... which they did after I told them to go away.

See above, also you were about to go to sleep.

3. Walking down the hallway to my room I saw some lights flash along the wall like somebody flashed a torch across the wall except I was home alone.

4. A few months ago I was walking to my room again to grab my Ipod when I looked down the hallway (you can see straight into my roo cause its at teh end) and saw a light shining in my room, I sniffed (because I had a cold and a runny nose), it was quite loud and the light just faded quickly...

Well you see spirits everywhere, don't you?

5. My Dad was up late and cooked him self a meal. He went to sit back down once he finished he took his dishes back up and notice the oven had been turned BACK on. He had turned it off in the first place. The same also happend to me.

Ghosts are trying to burn your house down.

6. The most recent. Last night I was sitting at the copmuter at 2 o'clock in the morning, I was sitting there chatting to Djang when I looked over to the lounge area (the right of me)and a human shaped white thing appeared and dissapeared right next to me... I moved as if it whas walking. Its was pretty opaque tooo, not a solid white shape.

Okay, you were

1. Looking at a computer screen at
2. 2AM, and you
3. saw a shape that looked like a person and quickly disappeared when you glanced away

Well, the facts may not agree with you but your story has convinced me!

I think the reason I have so many stories is because:

1. I look for stuff like that in life, I don't just sit around and let it come.
2. Like AlwaysIdeas I'm a believer.

Exactly - you try to explain anything slightly strange by saying that it was ghosts/aliens without any other evidence. Your dad forgetting to turn the oven off is not a ghost story, no matter how sure he was that he didn't forget.

I have more but these ones are stupid... and are most definatly not real.

haha oh wow

And people shouldn't insult or hurt people that believe in paranormal topics. They don't know what they experience. That is unfortunately the trouble with the majority of people, they don't believe until something happens to them.

But they have happened to me. The only difference between me and you is that I try to come up with a theory that doesn't involve ghosts when I want to explain something unusual. To date, I have never encountered something that can't be explained as something, you know, not silly.

Yes, but you, on my surprise, offered some solid arguments to this topic (Except for the insults you base on something you can't prove either and just because you can't doesn't mean it's not possible).

Here's my point of view, trying to handle both sides here, I prefer being a realist rather than a believer. Touche:

THE UFO: Don't know. Never saw them, never held the exact proof. Never even seen the exact proof. Yet it's possible. Specially when I think of the circles in the crops. You see, there where I live (not the USA), specially in small villages, people are far too simple minded and far too religious to go out, make fake circles, start a story about the aliens and go famous. Especially since it happened not yesterday, not 10 years ago, but a pretty long time ago. Not. As a matter of a fact, they thought it's the work of Satan (and some still do) until someone called cops to investigate, and cops called for inspectors, and they contacted scientists who arrived there and got confused. The territory is still under investigation and all who live there still speak of the strange day that occured there. What was it? Who knows. Aliens? Could be. HOWEVER, you also have people whoes hoby is receiving letters from some city in USA where they have a headquarters where they are receiving informations from something called "Starcity" in galaxy and are translating messages where "good" aliens are warning about "the bad aliens" and yadayadayada. Frankly, my dear, I believe this is complete rubbish.

THE SPIRITS: There's three of us. Those who simply do not believe. Those who believe for no particular reason that can prove something. And those who dwell in magic and spiritualism and actually deal with it and therefore believe. You see, you can slit your throat and cut your veines claiming there is no such thing as magic and spirits and you will die in false vision. There is. And it freaks me out.

I'm a realist. I do not believe in a god. Or any religion. They are all a bunch of crap to me. I don't believe in aliens too much as I have not been convinced enough (although I think it IS possible some other species may live in space, we can't say they don't). I DO NOT BELIEVE into ANYTHING I didn't SEE with MY OWN bare EYES. The non-believers never involve into such matters and that is the primary reason because of which they don't believe. However, that entire idea about magic and mysticism was pretty attractive at my age of 13 so I begin my studies. First of all, it worked. Second, I was involved into spiritual summoning. Third, I've seen it, shit my pants and stopped. Until I wanted to see the theory about angels and demons. I've called for an angel (And no, it's not blonde, it's not white, it doesn't have aureola, etc, it's a simple spectral eminence), shit my pants, and quit. There is a massive community of people who deal with this and that's a fact. These things exist, and therefore a possibility of so callled "home ghosts". There are video records, stories and deaths of young people and it's rather absurd to claim how oh half of the world is in conspiracy against non-believers. That's plain stupid. I don't know about alwaysideas or gypsi thing experience but I do know what I saw. It's no trance. It's no drug or any other consuming supstance at this matter and it's no illusion as I cannot stretch my arm ten ft and knock down a plant vase, stare at the spectral creature, thank and freak out, drop the summoning and change room in illusion, rightafter going back and cleaning out the room. Not.


Some thing simply are around.

I believe it is quite possible all of this exsists, but where some people actually have seen things, this effects the other group of people whos brain plays tricks on them. I'm not saying anyone here is a victim of this, but I think this is one reason why so many people have seen "Supernatural Elements". My theory anyway.

~ Darico

I DO NOT BELIEVE into ANYTHING I didn't SEE with MY OWN bare EYES

So you don't believe in air and oxigen, ok.

Okay I don't know if I believe the ghosty part of the stories even though half were mine.
It confuses me and I do not want to believe it.
I do believe in A'ens" I mean you can't sit there and tell me that the universe is so large and we are the only planet with any living thing on it?
If you think about it people only freak out about "Aliens" because they are different to us, yet animals (dogs, cats, lizards, monkeys, etc.) are different to us but because they have been on earth just aslong as we have we are used to them and don't think anything of it. If "Aliens" where on earth we would be living with them as if they are animals or another type off human race.

You should just let people believe what they want. You can't change how people feel...obviously
Attacks only trigger arguments. When dealing in delicate matters like this, you should be careful what you say.

You can't defend your claims so now you're calling it a "belief".

Sorry to tell you this as well, but I'm not a liar.

Then you can't tell dreams apart from reality.

People see shadow figures in the corner of their eye because they're an illusion, not because we naturally try to avoid them.

I think these shadowy figures are not Human nor Ghosts or Sprites but Creatures that move in a different time zone to us... May be they are Djinn's (Jinn) The race before man that walked the Earth and got Banished to Limbo by God... I am not Musslim, but I do think this could be possible... throughout history in every race and culture they have been reported... I myself have seen them many a time... I have been held down by one and punches have been thrown at my face... I reaserched this and found many have had simular done to them, take the example of the the entity with Carla Moran...

Evidence (if you can call it that)
Djinn's - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie
Carla Moran - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carla_Moran
Held down at night - http://www.paraseek.com/discus/messages/25/486.html?WednesdayOctober1520030335pm

I know this proves very little, Djinn's like most things in religions is considered a load of rubbish in our modren day... Carla Moran is a Alias given and nobody really can say for sure what actually happened... Being Held down can be attributed to Sleep Paralasis...

it doesn't prove very little, it proves nothing. I won't address the genie article, the that Carla Moran article was written by parapsychology people, and even they can't  say for sure if the movie was based on truth because there is not a shred of proof.

That final link leads me to a short discussion about a person's sleep paralysis where people assume that it's evil spirits or something. I've experienced sleep paralysis plenty of times and there's nothing mystical about it.

All I can say is it happens to me and I know what I saw... A Hard Shadow, solid and moving around not effected by objects (distortion like a normal shadow)... I have tried to capture this on tape, I got some thing, My Camera has no night vision, the room is dull lit by my window (Room tinted a blue colour, you know)... And at the point I am held down the room Just goes Really dark... But thats hardly proof... Its so hard and fustrating to prove some thing like this... This started happening to me when I started playing with an Ouija Board and asked about GOD, I was speaking to what claimed to be called Queshed (A German name, I have found through Reaserch)... I was Called Scum three times, and the Planchet then refused to move any more... And still doesn't now...

So what you're saying is that you have you have no evidence for your incredible claims and that "Queshed" is a German name even though it clearly isn't?

I mean I can explain my experinces, other than other worldy ones... Like the Ouija Board can move by the subconsious mind...

Exactly, you trick yourself into thinking you aren't moving it even though you have your hand on the thing.

Even though I was playing alone, and have never took German as a Language...

And it's not like you've ever heard someone speak German, right?

Here's my point of view, trying to handle both sides here, I prefer being a realist rather than a believer. Touche:

THE UFO: Don't know. Never saw them, never held the exact proof. Never even seen the exact proof. Yet it's possible. Specially when I think of the circles in the crops. You see, there where I live (not the USA), specially in small villages, people are far too simple minded and far too religious to go out, make fake circles, start a story about the aliens and go famous. Especially since it happened not yesterday, not 10 years ago, but a pretty long time ago. Not. As a matter of a fact, they thought it's the work of Satan (and some still do) until someone called cops to investigate, and cops called for inspectors, and they contacted scientists who arrived there and got confused. The territory is still under investigation and all who live there still speak of the strange day that occured there. What was it? Who knows. Aliens? Could be. HOWEVER, you also have people whoes hoby is receiving letters from some city in USA where they have a headquarters where they are receiving informations from something called "Starcity" in galaxy and are translating messages where "good" aliens are warning about "the bad aliens" and yadayadayada. Frankly, my dear, I believe this is complete rubbish.

Then why did you go on and on about it?

THE SPIRITS: There's three of us. Those who simply do not believe. Those who believe for no particular reason that can prove something. And those who dwell in magic and spiritualism and actually deal with it and therefore believe. You see, you can slit your throat and cut your veines claiming there is no such thing as magic and spirits and you will die in false vision. There is. And it freaks me out.

Huh?

I'm a realist. I do not believe in a god. Or any religion.

Ghosts and magic are religious beliefs.

However, that entire idea about magic and mysticism was pretty attractive at my age of 13 so I begin my studies. First of all, it worked. Second, I was involved into spiritual summoning. Third, I've seen it, shit my pants and stopped. Until I wanted to see the theory about angels and demons. I've called for an angel (And no, it's not blonde, it's not white, it doesn't have aureola, etc, it's a simple spectral eminence), shit my pants, and quit. There is a massive community of people who deal with this and that's a fact. These things exist, and therefore a possibility of so callled "home ghosts". There are video records, stories and deaths of young people and it's rather absurd to claim how oh half of the world is in conspiracy against non-believers. That's plain stupid. I don't know about alwaysideas or gypsi thing experience but I do know what I saw. It's no trance. It's no drug or any other consuming supstance at this matter and it's no illusion as I cannot stretch my arm ten ft and knock down a plant vase, stare at the spectral creature, thank and freak out, drop the summoning and change room in illusion, rightafter going back and cleaning out the room. Not.


Some thing simply are around.

It's amazing that the world is crawling with ghosts and angels and genies but the only thing this massive community of people can offer to the public is some anecdotal evidence and blurry photographs.

You know who you sound like? That oneiromancer guy in that old alchemy thread who said that he could put a curse on me or whatever. He couldn't prove anything, either.

Okay I don't know if I believe the ghosty part of the stories even though half were mine.
It confuses me and I do not want to believe it.
I do believe in A'ens" I mean you can't sit there and tell me that the universe is so large and we are the only planet with any living thing on it?
If you think about it people only freak out about "Aliens" because they are different to us, yet animals (dogs, cats, lizards, monkeys, etc.) are different to us but because they have been on earth just aslong as we have we are used to them and don't think anything of it. If "Aliens" where on earth we would be living with them as if they are animals or another type off human race.

If aliens came from Earth then they wouldn't be aliens.

Then you can't tell dreams apart from reality.

I don't remember saying I was asleep or just woke up...

If you don't agree or have an open mind to this subject, don't bother posting here or critisize what everyone says. This was a subject for those that were interested, it has been completely spoiled due to ignorance.

I do agree that there are possible explainations for these things, but you obviously don't know what any of us have gone through.

Then you can't tell dreams apart from reality.

I don't remember saying I was asleep or just woke up...

It was clearly a dream. Oh, and you were four years old, right?

If you don't agree or have an open mind to this subject, don't bother posting here or critisize what everyone says.

I will never be silent when I encounter idiocy. That's right, idiocy.

This was a subject for those that were interested, it has been completely spoiled due to ignorance.

If you want to tell a story about a dream you had when you were four then and get comments like "wow omg u shure are brave!!!" then go to a paranormal forum and post it there. If you're going to tell that story anywhere else, it is the duty of every sensible person to put you in your place.

I do agree that there are possible explainations for these things, but you obviously don't know what any of us have gone through.

As I said before, I've experienced the same thing as everyone else has. You think I haven't seen flashes of light, shadowy figures, or heard voices when nobody was around? Well I have, but I've got enough brains in my head to know that they weren't real.

So you don't believe in air or oxygen, ok

Actually this was a pretty funny example of disproving since both air and oxygen are both visible and can be sensed under specific conditions. All involving eyes. Specially air. Taking my words so literally isn't the best of methods in discussion but since you go for it I might as well compare air with ghosts. Both visible under specific conditions, hmmm?

Then why did you go on and on about it?

This was lame, lol.

Ghosts and magic are religious beliefs.

Religious belief to you, buddy. Taking explanations as you see them fit, lol. Also try not to open a fancy dictionary explaining ghosts and magic because that particular dictionary holds a subjectional definition of it in all its glory and therefore it's rather unreliable. You aren't a cynical corpse that goes through life without selfrespect and does what others tell you, no? Then you probably have principes and beliefs of your own, yes? Some, or most of them, probably involve religious aspects of anykind, even just a common theory of love, no, yes? I might as well call you a believer. Following this, everything in the world is a belief and a matter of perspective, yes? If so, I guess ghosts and magic are religious belief. If no, then you talk nonsense. Heh.

It's amazing that the world is crawling with ghosts and angels and genies but the only thing this massive community of people can offer to the public is some anecdotal evidence and blurry photographs.

And so we finally came to point, you lack any possible knowledge regarding this. Well I might aswell enlighten a thing or two. Every being on this world radiates a particular energy and magnetism (and all of this what I'm talking is science-based and proved by the same, since obviously that tickles your boat). Common thing you see is how we react on a contact with something electrified and how can we charge each other by spontaneous contact, spread electricity through bodies in contact or just a common thing called "guts" that tell us something for each person you spot. The spirits (which I will divide to ghosts and angels/demons as there's a difference) as eminences aswell have their radiation and it is affecting machines. Simply put, their essence is of somewhat different state, appearing on a particular frequencies and zones differing from our own and just as we affect things, so do they. Through electromagnetism which is far the most common appearance in the world. What do you think why everyone always speaks about doing stuff like this under few candles and a weak lamp or a flashlight? Not to freak you out while you're watching horror movie but because the apparitions are causing disordering interferences that usually affect machines and electric power current. Why that happens? probaby because we did not develop to suit their needs but ours and we are different and we function different. Because of that, the recording cameras, pc systems and digital cams usually drop dead or turn off. That's why all you can do is eventually take a quick photoshot with non-digital camera. The old recording cameras could probably record it aswell, under condition they don't need electric powersource or won't be damaged but people usually do not posses an antique recording camera at home. Now, the difference between summoning a ghost or a "divine" (angelic, demonic) is in approach and their nature. The ghost usually keep some of aspects they had from the life. That is the common reason why people usually do not call for people they considered evil but for good and nice, usually the ones they loved. The thing is, with the ghosts, you need more trust and less fear. The angels/demons are a completely different thing. With them, you need full concentration, you need to be respectful, silent, you must not freak out, you must not be rude, you must not be cocky or ask offending questions. You must not show fear. In general, if you ever read about many incidents involving some kind of occultism/ritual where the person ended dead - the Angels or a Demon probably killed it, as they can (ghosts too) interact with us. Angels won't usually do anything unless you really offend them. Demons, on a contrary, can kill you anytime they so wish. The final problem that occurs is a matter of bravery and concentration. I don't believe you were never freaked out by anykind of horror movie or that nothing in your life ever happened that send very chilly and cold feeling into your stomack and chests. It's an adrenaline rush combined with the well-known fear hormones. They come from a source telling you there's something you, your mind and your body are not familiar with. I bet, if by any chance you are sleeping, and wake up and find two gray little aliens standing in the center of your room, or even worse, a tall, black figure standing above you, you would not be a movie hero amazed by it but would freak out and we could not tell a difference between your face and a wall behind you. That exact thing happens when those who call for ghosts or divine finally interact with them, and that same fear and/or fascination that happens is the primary reason why there are very rare resources of proof. It's something people should, so to say, train, but the intensity of pressure you feel and the fear that overwhelmes you is usually way too much. It's like putting you into a small cage with hungry and demented panther. I don't think you would stand up to it. These are the facts and I hope you got a better view into this aspect. Now, there is a question why they dissapear. Technically they don't but it's them who travel on a different state of world. Don't know how better to explain it. I did not make up the summonings, they exist for centuries and thousands of years so I can only guess it has something to do with the actual calling or ritual that may work as a key of sort. I'm still into it and don't fully understand it.

You know who you sound like? That oneiromancer guy in that old alchemy thread who said that he could put a curse on me or whatever. He couldn't prove anything, either.

Cursing and magic is a completely different topic and although I would not call that person and idiot for practicing it, I'd call it an idiot for thinking it can curse you because to curse someone first of all you need a ritual and something that belongs to you...but nevermind this, this has nothing to do with it and as you may notice, I do not just tell stories, rather, I tend to follow some scientific logic behind it.

And I'll once more repeat that I only question the "black, tall figure" stories because, although you can say that person in particular disorder might be seeing truth (which is a bit staggering to pass), a fact is most of these see kids or adolescents, it is mainly and always a disorder and it dissapears after treated or if a person gets over it by some particular events. A question why they always see black, tall figure is a good one and can be compared with the scientifically aproved issue involving people who spend a long time isolated and in a small room (usually prisoners) or those who get really drunk - prisoners see and have visions of ants everywhere an drunk people get visions of white mouses. No one knows why.

So you don't believe in air or oxygen, ok

Actually this was a pretty funny example of disproving since both air and oxygen are both visible and can be sensed under specific conditions. All involving eyes. Specially air. Taking my words so literally isn't the best of methods in discussion but since you go for it I might as well compare air with ghosts. Both visible under specific conditions, hmmm?

Everything can be observed in one way or another, but you can't directly see them. Gravity, for example, is invisible but you can infer its existence by seeing objects fall towards the ground.

Then why did you go on and on about it?

This was lame, lol.

I wasn't trying to make a joke. Why did you go on and on about something and then finish it by saying that you thought it wasn't real?

Ghosts and magic are religious beliefs.

Religious belief to you, buddy. Taking explanations as you see them fit, lol. Also try not to open a fancy dictionary explaining ghosts and magic because that particular dictionary holds a subjectional definition of it in all its glory and therefore it's rather unreliable.

Not a religious belief? You believe that there are higher powers and that you can interact with them using rituals.

You wanted to drag the dictionary into this, eh? Well how would you define "ghost"? I think the dictionary's definition is pretty accurate and unbiased:

"the soul of a dead person, a disembodied spirit imagined, usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons."

If this isn't accurate then I want you to come up with a definition so that you can't hide behind "that isn't what I meant by 'ghost'".

You aren't a cynical corpse that goes through life without selfrespect and does what others tell ywou, no? Then you probably have principes and beliefs of your own, yes? Some, or most of them, probably involve religious aspects of anykind, even just a common theory of love, no, yes? I might as well call you a believer. Following this, everything in the world is a belief and a matter of perspective, yes? If so, I guess ghosts and magic are religious belief. If no, then you talk nonsense. Heh.

So because I don't think ghosts are real I have no self-respect? No, believing love is real is not religious belief. There is a difference between believing things that can be observed and proven and believing things that can only be proven to people who think the same way you do.

Well I might aswell enlighten a thing or two. Every being on this world radiates a particular energy and magnetism (and all of this what I'm talking is science-based and proved by the same, since obviously that tickles your boat).

Yeah, I've got this kooky fetish for things that are real. The fact that animals emit small amount of electricity is common knowledge (you could have gotten that from The Matrix, although human brains do not generate enough energy to actually affect anything). Animals don't radiate magnetism, although migratory animals can sense the Earth's poles and use them to navigate north and south.

Common thing you see is how we react on a contact with something electrified

Our muscles contract.

and how can we charge each other by spontaneous contact, spread electricity through bodies in contact

Do you mean static electricity?

or just a common thing called "guts" that tell us something for each person you spot.

Or something called "intuition" which does not originate from static electricity.

The spirits (which I will divide to ghosts and angels/demons as there's a difference) as eminences aswell have their radiation and it is affecting machines. Simply put, their essence is of somewhat different state, appearing on a particular frequencies and zones differing from our own and just as we affect things, so do they. Through electromagnetism which is far the most common appearance in the world. What do you think why everyone always speaks about doing stuff like this under few candles and a weak lamp or a flashlight? Not to freak you out while you're watching horror movie but because the apparitions are causing disordering interferences that usually affect machines and electric power current. Why that happens? probaby because we did not develop to suit their needs but ours and we are different and we function different. Because of that, the recording cameras, pc systems and digital cams usually drop dead or turn off. That's why all you can do is eventually take a quick photoshot with non-digital camera. The old recording cameras could probably record it aswell, under condition they don't need electric powersource or won't be damaged but people usually do not posses an antique recording camera at home.

It's pretty convenient that the only devices which work around these beings are the the most undependable.

You know who you sound like? That oneiromancer guy in that old alchemy thread who said that he could put a curse on me or whatever. He couldn't prove anything, either.

Cursing and magic is a completely different topic and although I would not call that person and idiot for practicing it, I'd call it an idiot for thinking it can curse you because to curse someone first of all you need a ritual and something that belongs to you...but nevermind this, this has nothing to do with it and as you may notice, I do not just tell stories, rather, I tend to follow some scientific logic behind it.

Wow.

A question why they always see black, tall figure is a good one and can be compared with the scientifically aproved issue involving people who spend a long time isolated and in a small room (usually prisoners) or those who get really drunk - prisoners see and have visions of ants everywhere an drunk people get visions of white mouses. No one knows why.

Since when do drunk people always see white mice?

By the way, I cut out that inane babble about angels and demons because it was, well, inane babble.

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Ghosts and magic are religious beliefs.

Religious belief to you, buddy. Taking explanations as you see them fit, lol. Also try not to open a fancy dictionary explaining ghosts and magic because that particular dictionary holds a subjectional definition of it in all its glory and therefore it's rather unreliable.

Not a religious belief? You believe that there are higher powers and that you can interact with them using rituals.

You wanted to drag the dictionary into this, eh? Well how would you define "ghost"? I think the dictionary's definition is pretty accurate and unbiased:

"the soul of a dead person, a disembodied spirit imagined, usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons."

If this isn't accurate then I want you to come up with a definition so that you can't hide behind "that isn't what I meant by 'ghost'".

OED has ghost as -
"n. 1 an apparition of a dead person which is believed to appear to the living. 2 a faint trace: the ghost of a smile
- origin Old English. 'Spirit, soul' "

nowhere does that state it is imagined. However, as there is no prove, it states "believed".

So you don't believe in air or oxygen, ok

Actually this was a pretty funny example of disproving since both air and oxygen are both visible and can be sensed under specific conditions. All involving eyes. Specially air. Taking my words so literally isn't the best of methods in discussion but since you go for it I might as well compare air with ghosts. Both visible under specific conditions, hmmm?

Everything can be observed in one way or another, but you can't directly see them. Gravity, for example, is invisible but you can infer its existence by seeing objects fall towards the ground.

Thanks for supporting my point.

I wasn't trying to make a joke. Why did you go on and on about something and then finish it by saying that you thought it wasn't real?

Nope, I took three points of view, twice divided the situation and took effort to explain a thing or two. Unlike you who searches through a comment, takes one sentence out, picks a suitable questions and ignores everything else relevant, I take myself time to actually try to explain why and howcome.

Not a religious belief? You believe that there are higher powers and that you can interact with them using rituals.

Just the way you believe we can't. And no, you don't know that. You believe that.

You wanted to drag the dictionary into this, eh? Well how would you define "ghost"? I think the dictionary's definition is pretty accurate and unbiased:

"the soul of a dead person, a disembodied spirit imagined, usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons."

If this isn't accurate then I want you to come up with a definition so that you can't hide behind "that isn't what I meant by 'ghost'".

You took that from a dictionary? Then you supported my point right. What does it say? "Usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons"

So you believe what it says? If you believe what the dictionary says, how can you claim there's no such thing? Oh, you want to tell me that ghosts can also be imagined and made up in stories or movies and that the creator of dictionary took liberty to explain them as seen in movies and described in stories? That's a pretty pathetic work on dictionary, then. With that kind of work he might as well write down Magneto and describe fearsome x-man villain.

You aren't a cynical corpse that goes through life without selfrespect and does what others tell ywou, no? Then you probably have principes and beliefs of your own, yes? Some, or most of them, probably involve religious aspects of anykind, even just a common theory of love, no, yes? I might as well call you a believer. Following this, everything in the world is a belief and a matter of perspective, yes? If so, I guess ghosts and magic are religious belief. If no, then you talk nonsense. Heh.

So because I don't think ghosts are real I have no self-respect? No, believing love is real is not religious belief. There is a difference between believing things that can be observed and proven and believing things that can only be proven to people who think the same way you do.

Completely misplaced conclusion (with already concluded reason). As for the other part of the reply, ok so what actually makes you a person whose belief that those things do not exist right on this matter? Do you have any proof that these things do not exist? No. Absolutely not. While, strangely enough, I at least offer you some kind of logical explanation why something occurs or does not occur, and while, strangely enough, people do eventually atleast show some kind of photography, all you do, on a contrary, is say "That's made up." and suddenly you are right. My ass. I'm looking at all of your replies here (and took time to check yours in other topics) and not once did you ever offer anykind of really, really well argumented complaint. All you do is negate things. The fact I can write 10,000 words about it, and you take out one sentence and ask a question over which I can discuss with additional 10,000 words on which you reply with "Inane babble" is pretty pathetic for someone who is desperate to offend a person thinking to know or believing into something you don't find fit.

Yeah, I've got this kooky fetish for things that are real. The fact that animals emit small amount of electricity is common knowledge (you could have gotten that from The Matrix, although human brains do not generate enough energy to actually affect anything). Animals don't radiate magnetism, although migratory animals can sense the Earth's poles and use them to navigate north and south. Our muscles contract. Do you mean static electricity?

The magnetism is all-present in this world. And duh, "contacts". It's all about contacts and reaction. You perhaps don't believe in meditation and budism, then? How do you explain their floating above the ground when reaching ultimate state of mind? And if you by any chance think this is bullshit, think twice for they recorded them. Live. Or do you think that's yet another conspiracy and they altered the video? There are "things" in this world we are not aware of. Take that into concern next time.

Or something called "intuition" which does not originate from static electricity.

I never said it does, lol.

It's pretty convenient that the only devices which work around these beings are the the most undependable.

Yes, I expected that coming. So instead of undependable devices, when people speak of ghosts in the time when there were no devices to record with, you'll say they made it up. And in the time of primtive tribalism, it was their primitivity. That's really convenient from you, too. You sound like the new pope. Rock is evil. Lol, right.

Since when do drunk people always see white mice?

Since the day of begining. Ofcourse not always and ofcourse not everyone but they do. And it's always white mices. For the difference, prisoners, (or anyone held that way) in those rooms where they spend a long time alone, always see ants. Walking around the room, attacking, eating them, walking over them, etc. Always.

By the way, I cut out that inane babble about angels and demons because it was, well, inane babble.

Yes, this was also very smart from you, expected as well. "inane babble". You didn't study it. You know nothing about it. You don't even care. You never presented anykind of argument. Yet mine is babble, and you are right. Lol. Our new pope.

So you don't believe in air or oxygen, ok

Actually this was a pretty funny example of disproving since both air and oxygen are both visible and can be sensed under specific conditions. All involving eyes. Specially air. Taking my words so literally isn't the best of methods in discussion but since you go for it I might as well compare air with ghosts. Both visible under specific conditions, hmmm?

That's also pretty funny, you said see, not sense in the first place. Did you change your mind suddenly? Anyways, ghosts can also be "seen" just like you said. I was just pointing out that you should be more specific (since Santa'll get you at your balls if you don't), so no hard feelings.
Also just like Santa said, you can observe that things exist.
So don't get me wrong, I DO support your point. Also I liked how you pointed out "Prove that it doesn't exist".

@Santa: Take it easy. Your post was reported, no need to get mean.

So you don't believe in air or oxygen, ok

Actually this was a pretty funny example of disproving since both air and oxygen are both visible and can be sensed under specific conditions. All involving eyes. Specially air. Taking my words so literally isn't the best of methods in discussion but since you go for it I might as well compare air with ghosts. Both visible under specific conditions, hmmm?

That's also pretty funny, you said see, not sense in the first place. Did you change your mind suddenly? Anyways, ghosts can also be "seen" just like you said. I was just pointing out that you should be more specific (since Santa'll get you at your balls if you don't), so no hard feelings.
Also just like Santa said, you can observe that things exist.
So don't get me wrong, I DO support your point. Also I liked how you pointed out "Prove that it doesn't exist".

@Santa: Take it easy. Your post was reported, no need to get mean.

Well, truth is it's sometimes hard to specify. Specially since english ain't my common. Some words replace others without me actually thinking they aren't clear enough.

I wasn't trying to make a joke. Why did you go on and on about something and then finish it by saying that you thought it wasn't real?

Nope, I took three points of view, twice divided the situation and took effort to explain a thing or two. Unlike you who searches through a comment, takes one sentence out, picks a suitable questions and ignores everything else relevant, I take myself time to actually try to explain why and howcome.

No, what you did was ramble on.

Not a religious belief? You believe that there are higher powers and that you can interact with them using rituals.

Just the way you believe we can't. And no, you don't know that. You believe that.

I can say with certainty that ghosts do not exist and I can defend this claim. You, on the other hand, can't defend your claim because the only proof you have are unverifiable anecdotes. I have more right to say that I know the truth about ghosts than you do.
 

You wanted to drag the dictionary into this, eh? Well how would you define "ghost"? I think the dictionary's definition is pretty accurate and unbiased:

"the soul of a dead person, a disembodied spirit imagined, usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons."

If this isn't accurate then I want you to come up with a definition so that you can't hide behind "that isn't what I meant by 'ghost'".

You took that from a dictionary? Then you supported my point right. What does it say? "Usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons"

So you believe what it says? If you believe what the dictionary says, how can you claim there's no such thing? Oh, you want to tell me that ghosts can also be imagined and made up in stories or movies and that the creator of dictionary took liberty to explain them as seen in movies and described in stories? That's a pretty pathetic work on dictionary, then. With that kind of work he might as well write down Magneto and describe fearsome x-man villain.

Wow! Because the dictionary defines it, it is real? So: are dragons real?

You aren't a cynical corpse that goes through life without selfrespect and does what others tell ywou, no? Then you probably have principes and beliefs of your own, yes? Some, or most of them, probably involve religious aspects of anykind, even just a common theory of love, no, yes? I might as well call you a believer. Following this, everything in the world is a belief and a matter of perspective, yes? If so, I guess ghosts and magic are religious belief. If no, then you talk nonsense. Heh.

So because I don't think ghosts are real I have no self-respect? No, believing love is real is not religious belief. There is a difference between believing things that can be observed and proven and believing things that can only be proven to people who think the same way you do.

Completely misplaced conclusion (with already concluded reason). As for the other part of the reply, ok so what actually makes you a person whose belief that those things do not exist right on this matter? Do you have any proof that these things do not exist? No. Absolutely not. While, strangely enough, I at least offer you some kind of logical explanation why something occurs or does not occur, and while, strangely enough, people do eventually atleast show some kind of photography, all you do, on a contrary, is say "That's made up." and suddenly you are right. My ass. I'm looking at all of your replies here (and took time to check yours in other topics) and not once did you ever offer anykind of really, really well argumented complaint. All you do is negate things. The fact I can write 10,000 words about it, and you take out one sentence and ask a question over which I can discuss with additional 10,000 words on which you reply with "Inane babble" is pretty pathetic for someone who is desperate to offend a person thinking to know or believing into something you don't find fit.

I don't know why I should offer any proof, since it should be apparent to anyone with the slightest bit of intuition that ghosts - disembodied souls - are not real. What evidence can I offer that isn't staggeringly obvious? Ghosts are an impossibility, their supposed existence flies in the face of hundred of year of scientific observation. It's like saying that if you jump hard enough you can fly.

Your "logical arguments" are pseudoscientific claims about static electricity and whatnot. As I've said before, your evidence points to nothing at all - blurry lights on a Polaroid is not evidence of ghosts but of a faulty camera.

By the way, don't bitch me out because you can't back up your goofy claims with anything solid. Sure, you can type 10,000 wordss about ghosts and I can reply with 'inane drivel" because it is drivel.

Yeah, I've got this kooky fetish for things that are real. The fact that animals emit small amount of electricity is common knowledge (you could have gotten that from The Matrix, although human brains do not generate enough energy to actually affect anything). Animals don't radiate magnetism, although migratory animals can sense the Earth's poles and use them to navigate north and south. Our muscles contract. Do you mean static electricity?

The magnetism is all-present in this world. And duh, "contacts". It's all about contacts and reaction. You perhaps don't believe in meditation and budism, then? How do you explain their floating above the ground when reaching ultimate state of mind? And if you by any chance think this is bullshit, think twice for they recorded them. Live. Or do you think that's yet another conspiracy and they altered the video? There are "things" in this world we are not aware of. Take that into concern next time.

Are you serious? Or are you messing with me? Yes, magnetism is present everywhere in the world; it's why compasses work. What no one in the world has been able to do is show how magnetism can affect intuition, much less grant a ability to know things about a person that sight alone can't provide.

EDIT: Also, only two monks in the past hundred years have managed to float? Let me guess, none of the witnesses were scientists. I remember an episode of Ripley's Believe It Or Not which showed a monk "floating" and it turned out that the staff he was holding was actually a rod holding up a platform upon which the monk sat. Magicians do the same thing all the time but they admit that it's all just sleight of hand.

Or something called "intuition" which does not originate from static electricity.

I never said it does, lol.

Then what kind of magical electricity were you talking about?

It's pretty convenient that the only devices which work around these beings are the the most undependable.

Yes, I expected that coming. So instead of undependable devices, when people speak of ghosts in the time when there were no devices to record with, you'll say they made it up. And in the time of primtive tribalism, it was their primitivity. That's really convenient from you, too. You sound like the new pope. Rock is evil. Lol, right.

What the hell are you talking about? Yes, in times when people didn't know any better people tried to fit their observations into a cultural framework. Vulcan in the volcano, Loki shaking the earth, etc.

Since when do drunk people always see white mice?

Since the day of begining. Ofcourse not always and ofcourse not everyone but they do. And it's always white mices. For the difference, prisoners, (or anyone held that way) in those rooms where they spend a long time alone, always see ants. Walking around the room, attacking, eating them, walking over them, etc. Always.

First you say it doesn't always happen to everyone and then you say that it does? Which is it? I've never heard anything about this and I have plenty of family members who drink.

By the way, I cut out that inane babble about angels and demons because it was, well, inane babble.

Yes, this was also very smart from you, expected as well. "inane babble". You didn't study it. You know nothing about it. You don't even care. You never presented anykind of argument. Yet mine is babble, and you are right. Lol. Our new pope.

What is there for me to say, exactly? "Not all angels are nice"? You're right, I skimmed through it because there was no content in there whatsoever. You might as well have been arguing about magical laws from Harry Potter.

@Santa: Take it easy. Your post was reported, no need to get mean.

If my post was reported because I hurt someone's feelings I couldn't care less.

You wanted to drag the dictionary into this, eh? Well how would you define "ghost"? I think the dictionary's definition is pretty accurate and unbiased:

"the soul of a dead person, a disembodied spirit imagined, usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons."

If this isn't accurate then I want you to come up with a definition so that you can't hide behind "that isn't what I meant by 'ghost'".

OED has ghost as -
"n. 1 an apparition of a dead person which is believed to appear to the living. 2 a faint trace: the ghost of a smile
- origin Old English. 'Spirit, soul' "

nowhere does that state it is imagined. However, as there is no prove, it states "believed".

Wow, it's almost as if I got my definition form another source. Isn't that amazing? Mine comes from dictionary.com, so there's bound to be a few typos. The comma should come before "imagined", not after. Fix it and the true meaning of the sentence will become clear.

No, what you did was ramble on.

No, lol, you're the one who rambling and jumping in its own mouth.

I can say with certainty that ghosts do not exist and I can defend this claim...

Lol, no you can't.

I have more right to say that I know the truth about ghosts than you do.

Lol, no you don't.
 

Wow! Because the dictionary defines it, it is real? So: are dragons real?

Jumping in your own mouth, again, Santa. I'm thinking on quiting chat, you can't track this.

I don't know why I should offer any proof, since it should be apparent to anyone with the slightest bit of intuition that ghosts - disembodied souls - are not real. What evidence can I offer that isn't staggeringly obvious? Ghosts are an impossibility, their supposed existence flies in the face of hundred of year of scientific observation. It's like saying that if you jump hard enough you can fly.

Well lol you should since all you do is offend and say "babble". Where did you get babble from? Nowhere. My side at least has a point, what's yours? None. "Doesn't exist." Yay. Half the world is completely wrong. Lol.

Your "logical arguments" are pseudoscientific claims about static electricity and whatnot. As I've said before, your evidence points to nothing at all - blurry lights on a Polaroid is not evidence of ghosts but of a faulty camera.

By the way, don't bitch me out because you can't back up your goofy claims with anything solid. Sure, you can type 10,000 wordss about ghosts and I can reply with 'inane drivel" because it is drivel.

You're babbling.

Yeah, I've got this kooky fetish for things that are real. The fact that animals emit small amount of electricity is common knowledge (you could have gotten that from The Matrix, although human brains do not generate enough energy to actually affect anything). Animals don't radiate magnetism, although migratory animals can sense the Earth's poles and use them to navigate north and south. Our muscles contract. Do you mean static electricity?

The magnetism is all-present in this world. And duh, "contacts". It's all about contacts and reaction. You perhaps don't believe in meditation and budism, then? How do you explain their floating above the ground when reaching ultimate state of mind? And if you by any chance think this is bullshit, think twice for they recorded them. Live. Or do you think that's yet another conspiracy and they altered the video? There are "things" in this world we are not aware of. Take that into concern next time.

Then what kind of magical electricity were you talking about?

None, discussing intuition.

It's pretty convenient that the only devices which work around these beings are the the most undependable.

What the hell are you talking about?

If you stop reading half of the comment perhaps you'll understand something. I can't help you there.

First you say it doesn't always happen to everyone and then you say that it does? Which is it? I've never heard anything about this and I have plenty of family members who drink.

Actually it's the oposite. Not tracking conversation there, Santa...Didn't think I'll have to bring it up, the mice factor was a common thing. At least "in past". Truth is it does not appear all the time or in all person but the very point is it's always white mices, gosh, how about you figure that out for once? Same thing for ants (which, I see, you constantly avoide). I didn't make it up, lol, it's a scientific fact. None the less.

What is there for me to say, exactly? "Not all angels are nice"? You're right, I skimmed through it because there was no content in there whatsoever. You might as well have been arguing about magical laws from Harry Potter.

It was not a babble. You can say it perhaps had no actual importance in the post but it was not a babble - as long as you prove it opposite. Fetch that, Santa.

If my post was reported because I hurt someone's feelings I couldn't care less.

If this is related to me, I'm not hurt. Just amused by your lack of tracking.

g2g

This is completely rediculous.

I'm not touching this thing with a fifty foot pole.

Lockage is surely imminent.

No, I mean that they actually believe this stuff is completely rediculous.

This is pretty ridiculous. You know, even scientists in the field of the paranormal will tell you almost all claims of "ghosts" can be written off as something completely normal, and the rest that can't be explained doesn't mean it's necessarily ghosts either. What's considered a ghost could be something completely normal that science just can't explain yet, and maybe one day they'll be able to.

I figured most of you here who believe in ghosts would also be intelligent enough to realize that there's also the possibility that it could be something else, and not the spirit of a dead person. But clearly, I overestimated you.

As for me, I think the idea of ghosts is pretty cool, but do I believe in them? I've had very little happen to make me believe they exist.

And for those of you upset with Ultra Santa's posts because they were "mean", I say get over it. Why were they mean? Because he said ass and bullshit? Everything I've read is just him poking holes in your claims/argument, and have not read any name-calling, or any of the sort. Or are you perhaps upset because you know that maybe he's bested you?

In any case, I can't see any worthwhile conversation being continued here, so, at least for now, this is going to be locked.

Halo, it wasn't Decadent who reported the post. (-_-')

If my post was reported because I hurt someone's feelings I couldn't care less.

I see... I see... another ban... in near future... maybe...
You don't have to be an ass so people are listening to you. It's actually otherwise. If you can debate without continiuosly flaming, people will be more likely to listen and will respect your opinion more.

The only flaming i saw was calling one guy's post inane drivel/babble. And, well, I agree with him there.

I agree. I fail to see where any flaming was going on. The only problem I saw was people not able to handle an opinion opposite their own.

I suppose we could move this to Intelligent Debate and open it again, since the way the discussion was heading it's more fitting for there anyway. We'll try that out.

I have atcually studied and researched this stuff for some time, the ghost side any ways and been to many said to be Haunted Locations, I have some footage of Shoes in a shoes shop coming off of shelves hitting the floor then landing on a higher shelf than they fell from... Its CCTV and a little Jerky, but its viewable, but easy to rig so your not gunna think its real, same with other footage I have you can hear a SUcking in Noise like a Wistle every time we ask a question... But again easy to Rig... Most of the time you have to be there to understand whats happening... But many a time a week or two later I start doubting it... like I do pretty much every thing... Nothing is ever black and white there are always shades of Grey... But its still interesting stuff...

I am worried though those who are less open to this sort of thread ripping apart claims by those that have experineced these things may make them stop posting... Fine put across your points but please try and do so nicely like well this could be another explanation, or are you sure it wasn't and then give a reason...

I can say with certainty that ghosts do not exist and I can defend this claim. You, on the other hand, can't defend your claim because the only proof you have are unverifiable anecdotes. I have more right to say that I know the truth about ghosts than you do.

Why not give reasons as to why you think Ghosts don't exsist...

Here is an Arguement why they do:-

When you die you loose 36grams in weight, thats the exact moment of Brain death, nobody can explain this... What if thats your Energy / Soul being released... What if thats the whole purpose of life to reproduce to create more energy for a greater purpose...??  How comes so many people from all walks of life have a Ghost story of sorts, steeming from My-self to Royalty, and why has there been sightings world wide... Crysis Ghosts and poltergeists being the most frequent... Poltergeist activity can often be linked to another reason of happening granted, but some times a Video is released that has no real way of doubting it, Check these out:-

BEST NET GHOSTS VIDS I HAVE FOUND
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/142990/if_u_dont_belive_in_ghosts_wait_til_u_see_this/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/356699/scary_ghost_footage/

And again these two video's could have been staged, and with the latest of Video techniques and editing equipment you or I could create simular... But why would we want to ?...

_________________

I am in two minds... I have died before and I saw nothing, I felt nothing... No out of body thing...

But then I have seen and heard strange stuff, But then again I have had LSD type stuff (Legal Highs like Salvia) in my life so no fricken wonder I see stuff...LOL

I find this stuff really interesting...

I Have tried EVP that works and any one can do it, you just need a Magnetic tape recorder... (See here http://www.aaevp.com/)

Ouija Boards work... But its also been said to be mentally driven by the user... Make your own minds up buy one from Ebay:- http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=ouija

Any ways I hope people keep posting !!!

LOL

I believe in ghosts too, but trying to break it down into an exact science...that's just BULLSHIT. lol

http://www.aaevp.com/techniques/techniques_evp9.htm

that's just BULLSHIT. lol

What parts and why...?

I am worried though those who are less open to this sort of thread ripping apart claims by those that have experineced these things may make them stop posting... Fine put across your points but please try and do so nicely like well this could be another explanation, or are you sure it wasn't and then give a reason...

Almost every ghost story told here has been stupid and if that is all there is to offer then it's better that they don't embarass themselves.

I can say with certainty that ghosts do not exist and I can defend this claim. You, on the other hand, can't defend your claim because the only proof you have are unverifiable anecdotes. I have more right to say that I know the truth about ghosts than you do.

Why not give reasons as to why you think Ghosts don't exsist...

Because there is no proof they exist. Aside from a few videos of jiggling doorknobs what can ou show me that says that there is something there?

Here is an Arguement why they do:-

When you die you loose 36grams in weight, thats the exact moment of Brain death, nobody can explain this...
 What if thats your Energy / Soul being released... What if thats the whole purpose of life to reproduce to create more energy for a greater purpose...??

Snopes disproved this.

How comes so many people from all walks of life have a Ghost story of sorts, steeming from My-self to Royalty, and why has there been sightings world wide... Crysis Ghosts and poltergeists being the most frequent...

As this thread has proven, people like to call anything that looks strange a "ghost".

Poltergeist activity can often be linked to another reason of happening granted, but some times a Video is released that has no real way of doubting it, Check these out:-

BEST NET GHOSTS VIDS I HAVE FOUND
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/142990/if_u_dont_belive_in_ghosts_wait_til_u_see_this/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/356699/scary_ghost_footage/

The first one is strange but I've seen magicians do things that are a lot more fantastic, and they admit that it's an illusion. The second one is, well, shit. It's a video that take thirty second to explain itself because if people ssaw the video without an explanation they wouldn't see anything supernatural about it.

And again these two video's could have been staged, and with the latest of Video techniques and editing equipment you or I could create simular... But why would we want to ?...

Who knows? If I knew I could pull it off I'd do it just to see how many people I could fool.

I Have tried EVP that works and any one can do it, you just need a Magnetic tape recorder... (See here http://www.aaevp.com/)

So I'll just turn on a tape recorder and leave it lying around, and it'll record voices? Amazing! Fact i, it would pick up voices even if nobody was in the house. It i east to hear people talking outside.

Ouija Boards work... But its also been said to be mentally driven by the user... Make your own minds up buy one from Ebay:- http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=ouija

Ouija boards are the stupidest fucking thing in the universe. A bunch of people yelling "I'm not moving it!" even though they have their hands on the thing.

This thread is fucking lolarious.

Nope thats a Shit Pop band... or is that Ludacrious... I dunno... But yeah some of it is... Or is it...??

Ouija boards are the stupidest fucking thing in the universe. A bunch of people yelling "I'm not moving it!" even though they have their hands on the thing.

Before I had a real board I made my own, using a Scrabble set of letters and some Scissors in the middle... me and my mates played it, linking hands and sitting around it, the Scissors span spelling out the words... But we didn't put down a blank letter tab so we had no spaces, and it took us a week to work out what it was really saying and even then it made very little sense... But it was moving FAST and on its own... But if I recorded some thing like that then I guess people say ogh its a simple trick using Magnets or some thing... Nobody chooses to beleave this stuff... Just try some of it...

So I'll just turn on a tape recorder and leave it lying around, and it'll record voices? Amazing! Fact i, it would pick up voices even if nobody was in the house. It i east to hear people talking outside.

Errr... I have done Ouija boards before with the Tape recording and the board has done nothing, but on the tape I had answers to all the questions I asked... The Voice are very low most of the time and the sound has to be right up, there's lots of static and its hard to make full sense all of the time it takes a few tries to get some thing half decent... But try it...

Snopes disproved this.

Snopes... Actually states its True... But I got the weight wrong its approx 21 grams... see the link:- http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

As this thread has proven, people like to call anything that looks strange a "ghost".

Wrong people world over have many different names for Ghosts, but they amount to the same thing... ANd I think I said they are creatures that move in a different time zone to us, Gods First creation the Djinn...

Here's is a good site that gives all different looks at the Paranormal world of Ghosts or Unnormal events:- http://www.mysterymag.com/yourexperiences/?page=article&subID=112&artID=543

Again much on there looks like junk... Same with all these sites and this thread... But at the same time you shouldn't discredit the events try and disprove them, or ask about events before the event or what makes people think that its the only explanation for what they have seen... I have admitted mine should not be credable, But I will still let people know what I saw and felt...

I also played around making UT2003 Maps... I made one called DM-House (Its on On Unrealplaygrpund.com) There are loads of Low Frequency sound files I added into the music to make the player feel some one is in the room with them...

There's loads about the Human mind that can play tricks on us...

Ouija boards are the stupidest fucking thing in the universe. A bunch of people yelling "I'm not moving it!" even though they have their hands on the thing.

Before I had a real board I made my own, using a Scrabble set of letters and some Scissors in the middle... me and my mates played it, linking hands and sitting around it, the Scissors span spelling out the words... But we didn't put down a blank letter tab so we had no spaces, and it took us a week to work out what it was really saying and even then it made very little sense... But it was moving FAST and on its own... But if I recorded some thing like that then I guess people say ogh its a simple trick using Magnets or some thing... Nobody chooses to beleave this stuff... Just try some of it...

If it was that easy don't you think that it would be commonplace, and that we wouldn't even be arguing about it?

So I'll just turn on a tape recorder and leave it lying around, and it'll record voices? Amazing! Fact i, it would pick up voices even if nobody was in the house. It i east to hear people talking outside.

Errr... I have done Ouija boards before with the Tape recording and the board has done nothing, but on the tape I had answers to all the questions I asked... The Voice are very low most of the time and the sound has to be right up, there's lots of static and its hard to make full sense all of the time it takes a few tries to get some thing half decent... But try it...

If I take any tape of static and listened hard enough I'd hear voice too.

Snopes disproved this.

Snopes... Actually states its True... But I got the weight wrong its approx 21 grams... see the link:- http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

You found the link, now read the article.

As this thread has proven, people like to call anything that looks strange a "ghost".

Wrong people world over have many different names for Ghosts, but they amount to the same thing...

Are you shitting me?

Again much on there looks like junk... Same with all these sites and this thread... But at the same time you shouldn't discredit the events try and disprove them, or ask about events before the event or what makes people think that its the only explanation for what they have seen...

Why not?

This is the part your reffering to:-

What to make of all this? MacDougall's results were flawed because the methodology used to harvest them was suspect, the sample size far too small, and the ability to measure changes in weight imprecise. For this reason, credence should not be given to the idea his experiments proved something, let alone that they measured the weight of the soul as 21 grams. His postulations on this topic are a curiousity, but nothing more.

I see what your saying... Your right...  I read the top area, of the page and got fed up half way down, I have watched the fim, and blinking good it is too...

The Top is misleading:-

Status:   True.

If it was that easy don't you think that it would be commonplace, and that we wouldn't even be arguing about it?

Many people discredit it, or its against their Religion, Or they don't want to think we are not allown... some are too scared to try it... And I am not Arguing, I am voicing what I have done, and the results I got...

If I take any tape of static and listened hard enough I'd hear voice too.

I left mine recoding when I was living at home about 8 years back in my bed room I was the only one in my Room, the house is brick built in an area that we had no neighbours, Only my Parents where in and asleep long before me... When I played it back I heard a Girl Crying at the same time as me snoring, like a wimper, you know when a Kid Sobbs, its was like that then a wining noise... and it was Loud, I didn't have to adjust the volume, I wish I was awake at the time... If you satrt looking into these sort of things you will find all sorts...

How about this... When your walking down the street have you ever had the feeling your being watched...?  You turn around and look at the place you think some one is and there they are starring right at you... What if when you get that feeling and you think your alone your not... and in actual fact your being watched by some thing else... some thing you can't see... SOme thing that Phases in and out of our plane of exsistance...

Sounds Crazy... But what if your senses are right...

Most of the time I feel like I'm being watched I am not actually being watched.

That's just Big Brother, no need to worry.


p.s. It's Ludacris. And it's not a band.

Most of the time I feel like I'm being watched I am not actually being watched.

Try drawing what you think it is watching you...

Most of the time I feel like I'm being watched I am not actually being watched.

Take some lithium and that'll go away in no time.

It works, it really does.

Francium Oil capsules work like a charm!

Fear - You know the fealing you get when your being watched but your alone, or if you laying in bed and you think some is in there with you, right behind you should you roll over... or when your driving and think some one is in the back seat... This is a painting of what I think that some one looks like.

Funny enough from the point of painting this picture I don't get the feeling so much any more.

Thats a good picture to represent fear....
but when I when I think somebodys there I picutre an old man...
About 60-80 years old...
Bladish... not completly he shill has hair round the sides...
Has a white beard and a cane...
His back isnt bent over tho he stands quite straight but just leans casually on the cane...
He wears a brownish wollen vest type thing with a flannel shit underneath...
And some gray pants and loafers...
Wow I never knew it was so descriptive but thats who I think is watching...

Its funny you can describe the person so well... Some times when  your being watched in the street and you can feel eye's on you some times you instintively know the ocation of the person watching you, and moments before you turn you already know its gunna be male or female and when you do see them its like you have already seen them before.

So it makes you wonder if what your imagining is really there, you just can't see them.

Fear - You know the fealing you get when your being watched but your alone, or if you laying in bed and you think some is in there with you, right behind you should you roll over... or when your driving and think some one is in the back seat... This is a painting of what I think that some one looks like.

Funny enough from the point of painting this picture I don't get the feeling so much any more.

Everything you describe in that post I have personally experienced ('cept I don't drive). And oddly enough, that's what I thought the thing looked like too. Often I feel it is behind me, but sometime I get the feeling it's right in front of me, staring me down and sizing me up, waiting to make the killing move...*shudders*

I think its a Djinn... The banished people that once walked the Earth before our time... now know in modern times as a Demon

I think its a Djinn... The banished people that once walked the Earth before our time... now know in modern times as a Demon

I think it's your imagination.

I'm right, by the way.

Why would two people with at least an ocean of space between them who hardly even know eachother that well imagine the same exact thing?

Strange thing is I painted this picture about a year ago... and then started looking into what people imagine the things are that are watching them, some imagine them to be human but others, usually people who have no faith or religion, not been chrisend etc... that imagine the unseen as Demons.

And yes I said Imagine... Part is imagination... I have never seen a Demon, not like the one I have painted any way...

People all around the world have reported simular.

But I am baptized, and a devout Methodist...

Fear - You know the fealing you get when your being watched but your alone, or if you laying in bed and you think some is in there with you, right behind you should you roll over... or when your driving and think some one is in the back seat... This is a painting of what I think that some one looks like.

Funny enough from the point of painting this picture I don't get the feeling so much any more.

Looks like a negro.

Looks like a negro.

*breaks out into hysterical laughter*

Why would two people with at least an ocean of space between them who hardly even know eachother that well imagine the same exact thing?

1) You described feeling some paranoia, which just happens sometimes. We've all experienced the same thing.

2) You never described seeing anything.

3) The image of a demon as a red-skinned monster is a popular one in our culture.

3) The image of a demon as a red-skinned monster is a popular one in our culture.

It also explains why you both saw it, you're simply expecting it. I see a man in a jacket with a hat low enough to intimidate me. Sometimes he's carrying a knife... oh wait... it isn't a vision...

Looks like a negro.

The skin colour is Brownish red, like Clay.  The ear has no outer wall, just flat, the jaw more pronounced and K9, The eye's larger than that of a Human... It has no  horns or doesn't have goat like legs...

Info on them:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie

[edit] Jinn in Islam
Muslims believe that jinn are real beings. The jinn are said to be creatures with free choice, made of smokeless fire by God (the literal translation being "subtle fire", i.e., a fire which does not give itself away through smoke), much in the same way humans were made of clay. In Islam, Satan is commonly believed to be a jinn, but he is believed to be an angel in Christianity and Judaism. (Angels have restricted free choice, and satan exploited this in front of God. See Shaitan). In the Qur'an, jinn are frequently mentioned and Sura 72 of the Qur'an named Al-Jinn is entirely about them. Another Sura (Al- Naas) mentions the Jinn in the last verse. In fact, it is mentioned in the Qur'an that Muhammad was sent as a prophet to both "humanity and the jinn."

The jinn have communities much like human societies: they eat, marry, die, etc. They are invisible to humans, but they can see humans. Sometimes they accidentally or deliberately come into view or into contact with humans. Jinn are believed to live much longer than humans.

Jinn are beings much like humans, possessing the ability to be good and bad. An "Ifrit" is a type of strong and powerful jinn. Evil or malicious jinn are called "Marid" usually they're malicious due to their feeling they have been usurped by humans, example "Shaitan". To protect oneself against evil jinn, Muslims say the Arabic phrase,"Bismillahi! Allahumma inna 'audhu bika minal khubthi wal khabaa'ith", or another dhikr.[1] Jinn have the power to transform into other animals and humans, and they are known to prefer the form of a snake. It is also known that they eat bones and their animals eat droppings, that is why it is forbidden to perform Istinja (washing) with those items. Jinns also have the power to possess humans, have much greater strength than them, and live much longer lives. In fact, according to some hadith, the great-grandson of Iblis, or the Devil (who was born before mankind), converted to Islam during the time of Muhammad, so he must have been thousands of years old. According to the majority of Islamic scholars, Qur'an states that the Devil was not an angel (which is believed by Christians), but a jinn who was given a higher honour and rank than angels.[2] According to Islam, angels are different physical beings,made from light and unlike the fiery nature of jinn, they are beings of goodness and cannot choose to disobey God since they do not posses free choice as humans and jinn, nor do they possess the ability to do evil.

In Islam, the jinn were said to be controllable by magically binding them to objects, as Suleiman (Solomon) most famously did.

It is said that one could kill a jinn with the Inwa, a manner of throwing the stone of a fruit so hard so it could, in fact, kill something. The jinn's power of possession was also addressed in the Nights. It is said that by taking seven hairs out of the tail of a cat that was all black except for a white spot on the end of its tail, and then burning the hairs in a small closed room with the possessed, filling their nose with the scent, this would release them from the spell of the jinn inside them.

Evil beings from among the jinn are roughly equivalent to the demons of Christian lore. In mythology, jinn have the ability to possess human beings, both in the sense that they persuade humans to perform actions, and like the Christian perception of demonic possession.

It could be that the reason those with out faith of firm beliff in God feel they are being watch buy the Djinn / Jinn as they wish to posses them.

I've had a jar of carmex fly off my television nearly stricking me in the head. This was around the time grandfather passed. It happened more than once........there have been several other unexplainable strange shit too.

I believe that every supernatural element has an scientific explanation. Maybe there were dragons. We do have birds, they look like flying hairy snakes. People thought using a hunk of metal with wheels could magically carry us around for hundreds of km. But it wasn't magic, it was science. Supernatural events, if true, have something to do with science, we just haven't found the science part yet.

We do have birds, they look like flying hairy snakes.

Ah, yes, the Legless Furred Duck. If you're lucky you can feed them some bread at a pond.

People thought using a hunk of metal with wheels could magically carry us around for hundreds of km. But it wasn't magic, it was science.

Contrary to popular opinion, people who lived longer than 100 years ago were not retarded. People from antiquity were masters of mechanics and would probably have begged to look at the engine of a car instead of running away and screaming "MAGIC!" If you showed it to anyone from a later era who wasn't a dirt-grubbing peasant the worst you could say about them was that they were being too close-minded: the first thing they'd think of would be the military advantages of such a device, and then they'd ask if it came from Greece or a Muslim country.

Supernatural events, if true, have something to do with science, we just haven't found the science part yet.

The Supernatural part could be in it's self science... Things we see could be creatures that move in a different dimension other than our own, and we only catch fleeting glimpses of them, from our periffiaul view or minds eye.

Most things have particals and structure of some sort.  Light it's self has particals, I mean plants feed from it.  I don't see why people find it hard to think that once we die our energy is released and we simply change form rather than blink into nothing.

One day I hope Science does manage to prove there is more to lives than what we see in front of us... Once they do that I will be the first out burning Bibles... LOL

I had no idea there was a thread like this! Here is my own sighting of a UFO (I'm not saying it was of extraterrestial origin, but it is something I have only seen once, and I had no idea what it could be).  A few months ago, before Christmas, I was sitting in my room at night, and there were virtually no lights on, so I had a good view of the sky.  I watched as a "plane" flew out from the horizon, coming in my direction, it was your typical one light red, one light white plane, and I just watched it because it was the only thing that was moving in the night sky.  After a couple of seconds, the one white light changed to red, and now there were two red lights.  I am a bit of a UFO buff, and once this happened I opened my window to see if I could hear it, and I started watching it very closely.  After about 10 more seconds, both of these red lights turned blue.  Now, I have never seen a plane with a blue light on it where I live, and I still heard no sound as it was close to me, at this point I realised I might just not be watching a plane anymore, because up until now it could probably be explained away, but this was too strange.  When it got near my house (near as in 1000 feet), it started to turn to my left, and I saw a THIRD blue light, it was now a "black" triangle against the night sky, and I use the term black loosely, because the sky was black, this thing was a void, I couldn't see the third light before because it was litteraly invisible against this solid void.  Now, if a plane was this close I would hear it very loudly, but all I heard was a low humming, and as it turned the three blue lights turned white, then they all turned red, (this happened very quickly) and any speed it had been using up until this point had been nothing, as it had taken about 30 seconds to get to where it was in the sky. In a fraction of a second it went to my left, and out of my view, across almost all the sky I could see, leaving only a trail of red light.  Any insight into what this could have been will be appreciated, and I would like to talk more on this subject.  I have been told I am a bit paranoid, but paranoi is (or was, not sure if this still stands) as the "state of heightened awareness".  I would like to talk about anyhthing on the topic of extraterrestrials. 

Triangle ship...I sort of of remember something like that when I was three. I was at a party which took place in my dad's friend's backyard, which was a night. I was holding those sparkly firework things and my hand really started to hurt, around my wrist. This was quite odd cause my other hand, which was holding another sparkly firework thing, was not hurting at all. My wrist hurt so much that I dropped the firework thing. I looked up to see a plane. It was weird cause the plane was of a triangle shape with red, white, and blue lights. These lights kept changing colours and it looked really weird. I ran inside and held my wrist as the intensity grew. My mother rushed to me and told me not to hold that sparkly thing again. After a few minutes the pain stopped and found the sky clear. It may be similar to your triangle plane.

Perhaps...  I don't think it was a natural electrical phenomena though, which is what it will probably be explained as.  I am a little (hell, a lot more than a little) interested in alien life.  Anyone who wants to talk about it, anything from rambling UFO encounters that you made up just now, to what crashed in Roswell, Zeta Reticulans and Din-Gir, feel free to PM me.

Alot of enchounters can be explained as military test flights imagination or a person playing a trick on you.

Alot of enchounters can be explained as military test flights imagination or a person playing a trick on you.

A lot of encounters can be explained as military test flights, your own imagination or another person playing a trick on you.
(translated for those who can't read bad spelling)
I am sure it wasn't a military test flight, as I am nowhere near a military base, I know it wasnt another person playing a trick on me, because the only people around were my parents, and they were in the basement, and I don't think I imagined it.

I know my wasn't a military thing or some trick. I live deep in Toronto and there is no military base. I couldn't have been a trick cause my cousins can't fly. Plus, i asked my dad and he said it probably a plane.

I did not mean it to explain your situations but what others have come out to be

I have never read an account of it being someone playing a trick on you, and rarely is a flying saucer from a military base, and if it IS from a military base, then that just raises further questions.  Also, you live in Toronto?  I live in London, I'm not too far from you.

Can't remember if I've posted here, but...

Regarding Intelligent UFO's and Aliens:

While it would be difficult to tell the thought patterns of different self aware beings, there are a few things we can speculate on; One that due to (in most, predictable situations) the rarity of life within the universe (every 100 light years there will be a planet in the same, life nursing situation as Earth, not that this says anything on life forming on those planets) and relatively the unpredictability of interstellar travel technology, we can take two main ideas;

One, if a shortcut technology is not capable (wormhole travel, possibly something like hyperspace) then we have to assume that any visitors have traveled a long way to see us, and they would not come here to simply probe us, if alien life has traveled a few hundred years in stasis to get here, they would definitely make it a public affair when they arrive (other wise there would be no point in taking such a trip).

Or two; if a shortcut technology does exist, then traveling in long distance would be pointless without this technology, and they would be truly devolved tech-wise enough (as wormholes turn all things into energy and requires something to reform that energy at the other side, rather then simply going into one) to not be detected by us at all if they did visit and experiment.

If an alien comes to earth, they would be either so technologically advanced that we would never detect them, or they would be here to say hi to all. I don't feel any abduction, or sighting has to do with anything abnormal and has a rational explanation.

I believe there is live in the universe but we keep "missing each other." Humans will be around for only about 1 to 2 thousand more years. Comparing that to the time the earth has been around, we are a few seconds compared to the 6 billion years of the earth. So, we have only 2 seconds to find life or to be found by other life. Since life does not spring up at once, we miss other life. It is like when we are alive we ask around," Is anyone there?" No one answers. Then we die out, and some other life another planet asks, "Is anyone out there?" And then they out. I think it is rare that we will be able to communicate and interact with living aliens.

Interesting theory.

*Should say something intelligent here but doesnt*

One, if a shortcut technology is not capable (wormhole travel, possibly something like hyperspace) then we have to assume that any visitors have traveled a long way to see us, and they would not come here to simply probe us, if alien life has traveled a few hundred years in stasis to get here, they would definitely make it a public affair when they arrive (other wise there would be no point in taking such a trip).

I highly doubt that it would be a public affair, for a number of reasons.  I will go into further detail later.

If there were aliens, with technology to travel here, then you'd have to assume they would have studied how we act, reason etc. and concluded that if they made their presence known, most likely the humans would attempt to irradicate their species and disect any body they might find.

So in conclusion, why bother?

The last time the Earth thought aliens were here, in an Orson Wells (sp?) radio play of war of the worlds, it only mentioned it was fake at the beginning, and people didn't realise that.  needless to say there was MASS rioting, looting and chaos.  Think the american government would now say "hey there are aliens, we've known for years"?  no.

I've never seen one like that. Or taken a good picture. I did hear one a few nights ago that sounded like a jet going at the speed of sound. I looked out the winow and didn't see anything.

And you've probably seen this one.

Spoiler for:

I think it's government.

I have no idea what that is Irock, you must seem to think that it is the one famous UFO picture or something.  I have seen hundreds upon hundreds of UFO pictures, so exuse me if I don't know that one. 

Simple things can look like UFO things.

I won't let this die.  ask me some questions, or ramble on about your theories.  but don't let the topic die.

Good luck with your random, impossible stories.

Most people forget UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - or they are just too ignorant to accept that it does.

It was back when I lived at my old house, we had a 5ft deep swimming pool.  Normally I don't like swimming outside, because I get sun-burned really ez...  Well I was kind of bored after everyone had left the pool, so I put on my Snorkle thing and goggles, and went under water.  I was just swimming in circles in the pool for like atleast 50 minutes, maybe more.  I took the snorkle and mask off, and I felt the cold water hit my face and eye lids, but I didn't panic or anything so I just kept swimming underwater, I was actually breathing underwater somehow for like 15-20 minutes, I wasn't holding my breath or anything, just breathing like normal, I didn't feel any water go down my throat or in my nose.  I don't know how or why it happened, but it was the best experience ever.  After I lifted my head out of the pool and went to tell my mom to come outside and watch me breathe underwater.. she didn't come, so I tried doing it again, but I swallowed water and it went up my nose this time.  Ever since I couldn't do it.. You know what...  I'm going to make that a goal in my life, "To breathe underwater, without an oxygen mask or anything like that, once again."

LSD much?

Time flies when you are having fun. You must have been so relaxed that a few mintues looked like a couple of hours. And maybe you really didn;t "breath underwater." When your relaxed, you require less energy. thus less air. You probably held you breath or a longer peroid of time. Or you could have imaged it, cuz you were so relaxed. I don't think you would automatically create an air bubble or grow gills for 15 minutes and then loose them.

I never lost my gills  .  And where does that UFO comment come in? 

It doesn't.

Your Dream may become real one day:- http://www.isracast.com/Articles/Article.aspx?ID=63

Not saying you didn't do as you claim to have done... I mean there are a tribe of monks who claim they can walk through solid matter... Evolution happens at a slow rate... May it did happen, may be it didn't, only you know for sure...

Just don't go drowning trying it again...

There are a few creatures on the planet that don't have a great lung capacity like frogs and newts yet they stay underwater a great deal of time... I am not sure about you being able to breath in the water, but you may have air-ri-ated your blood stream by heavy breathing through your snorkle for almost an hour giving your brain and blood stream a healthy amount of air to function for longer than normal...

Saying that... I once heard of a guy that could breath out of his ears, and could also take water in through his mouth and eject it from his ears, nose and eyes and capture some oxygen within the water, not enough to stay under the water for longer than five mins but he stated he could take around 4 consecutive breath's as long as he kept them short... but he was in a highy oxygenated water tank, not a normal swimming pool, there would be very little oxygen for you to have taken in... In fact you breathing is near on impossible in those conditions even if you had gills (For a humans lung size).

I believe Monks and Rishies, and God Extremist and Slighters (people who can turn off lights with there mind) are people who have TAPPED into some hidden power within all humans. We are constantly concerned with many things in this material world, thus making us tensed and never really calm down. These people have let that all go and have calmed themselves to a point when they can control all bodily functions. If you ever tried meditation, I am sure you would agree with me. Try this, take a shower with either hot or cold water, hot or cold enough that it is unbearable but doesn't kill you . Close your eyes and sit down. Relax yourself and constantly think about the opposite temperature. Either repeat cold, cold, or something else. You will notice that you are no longer cold/hot. Monks and so on take it a step further. I believe that we as humans, some powers that are "unscientific". Our "scientific" powers are our muscles, which most of us haven't really gotten to a "powerful" stage yet, and our "spiritually" powers. Most people call "spiritual" power as CHAKRA or CHI.   

I beleive it is called slider, when you can manipulate electrical devices with your body.  I have been trying that for a while, and sometimes I think I'm close, but it's just a blood clot.

Yes slider (thank you mystery hunters). Blood clots, you should see a doctor.

Yeah like we are the only people in this time paradox.. It's just like Southpark Negro people and white people came from somewhere so did the deers and the dogs now we are all together !

as for the breathing under water it dosent really matter if hes relaxed ya it help but since he was moving and his body required more air faster...

i have breathed out of my ears before and it creaped me out so i stuck something in them to stop... it worked but wasnt the brightest idea..

for the heat and cold thing i can do it to my hand if my hand is cold and i concentrate on it it starts to release heat... very usefull on cold days...

Well, I could outright say I don't beleive you, but that would be rude, so I will do it will a veiled threat some other time.

ya i guess it is hard to believe but hey thats was this topic is pretty much.. the supernatural aka the unbelieveable...

Most people forget UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - or they are just too ignorant to accept that it does.

Yes, that's true, but when most people talk about seeing a UFO they make it pretty clear that for them "UFO" means "flying saucer" or "super secret government technology". "Hey, all I said is that I saw an Unidentified Flying Object!" is their favorite fallback when you poke holes in their speculations about the Reptoid people from Alpha Centauri.

They are from the Zeta Reticuli, actually, and they are Reptillian leaders with Gray drones.  Just so you know.

Most people forget UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - or they are just too ignorant to accept that it does.

Yes, that's true, but when most people talk about seeing a UFO they make it pretty clear that for them "UFO" means "flying saucer" or "super secret government technology". "Hey, all I said is that I saw an Unidentified Flying Object!" is their favorite fallback when you poke holes in their speculations about the Reptoid people from Alpha Centauri.

xD

They are from the Zeta Reticuli, actually, and they are Reptillian leaders with Gray drones.  Just so you know.

I'm totally serious, this is not a sarcastic post.

I believe (oneray writes this in a sarcastic tone)

Well, if I'm seen as crazy in the Supernatural elements thread, then I guess I seem crazy everywhere.  I am totally serious, Zeta Reticuli.

What is Zeta Rectum?

You obviously don't know what Google is.

I refuse to use GOOGLE!