What's been going down lately for the less informed members.

Dwarra? · February 12, 2013, 11:38:43 PM

firerain · February 12, 2013, 11:42:49 PM

talked about it in IRC and y'all are fucking stupid for banning him and Zylos should lose his mod powers. RMRK has always had this sarcastic thing towards everyone, not just new members. its always been that way. some new members can't deal with it, some do. and the ones that do are the ones that become the new veterans. the ones who can't handle it we don't want here anyway.

what Irock posted wasn't even bad, I post worst on a daily basis usually. it made Halo (arguably one of the best mods) resign.

Anski acting like he matters and actually does anything around here.

this "no tolerance" outside of sewers is dumb, and if this is the way RMRK is going I probably won't stick around much longer but I'll probably hang in IRC.

"wah wah you're being mean 3 day ban

also im a gigantic pussy"

haloOfTheSun · February 12, 2013, 11:44:24 PM

The hypocrisy irritates me more than anything, but whatever, I've been in this debate for 2 days now, I'm done.

More up to date huge screenshot https://dl.dropbox.com/u/355574/Irock%27s%20been%20banned..png

Dwarra? · February 12, 2013, 11:47:31 PM

What's done is done, no use arguing over it anymore. But we've lost 3 mods in a week and this is why if people are wondering.

haloOfTheSun · February 12, 2013, 11:48:00 PM

Yes, and I just feel like the rest of RMRK deserves to know. I still love you all

Fall From Eden · February 13, 2013, 12:05:18 AM

Thank you for this.

That's about all that I have to say, but I at least wanted you guys to know that we appreciate the transparency here.

Sophist · February 13, 2013, 12:07:12 AM

I forget you're here sometimes.

Fall From Eden · February 13, 2013, 12:09:36 AM

Quote from: Anski on February 13, 2013, 12:07:12 AM
I forget you're here sometimes.

Really? Could have sworn that everyone was always aware of every other member here at all times.

You have shattered my dreams.

Sophist · February 13, 2013, 12:10:40 AM

I turned in my omniscience for adamantium bones at comic-con last year.

firerain · February 13, 2013, 12:12:33 AM

The possibility of banning Irock should have been discussed in the Mod Hut between the other mods, not just one member (Zylos) taking it upon himself to just ban him outright instead of pursuing other options because he's having a powertrip. Trash the posts, make a topic in the mod hut to discuss it or just move the topic to the sewers. All of these are viable options, or you can even do all of them.

Some of you in that topic are taking it WAY too seriously. Have you forgotten how RMRK actually is? Every new member takes a shitkicking. It's how we weed out the crybabies.

Modern Algebra said something about having "veterans" being stupid, and a lot of us in IRC disagreed. "rmrk is special because we're a close-knit group of people", this is what Halo said in IRC and he's right. This doesn't mean we never let anyone else in to our special little "club" but you won't earn it easy and it won't be immediate. Modern, you only know half of RMRK. You're never in IRC and you miss out on a lot of things.

Anyway, this entire shit is fucking stupid. We've had WAY worse drama before this and we've always just dealt with it and not been prissy fucks about it. RMRK has never had a problem being the way it is and we shouldn't start changing it.

Roph pays to keep this site going and puts a ton of hardwork into it only to watch you retards do shit like this.

Acolyte · February 13, 2013, 01:02:52 AM

I think Irock crossed a line here. Dizturb3d isn't a bad guy, he just has problems with english because it's his second language.

I don't know if I agree that he deserves demoted, but I think a few days of a ban was at least warranted.

Dark_Metamorphosis · February 13, 2013, 01:18:27 AM

I'm sorry that I was a part of this, and that it ended up getting Irock banned. I didn't know that it ended up in another argument, and that it was the reason for the mods leaving their posts..
From my own experience, I never saw Irock as being serious towards me and I just tried to express what I meant with my statement. Sure he flamed me alot, and called me a liar for no reason, but I'm not sure why he felt so offended by my post. It seems like many people think I'm a hypocrite and a idiot for my posts, and I'm not sure why. Maybe It's because of my grammatical errors, or something else.. but all I can say is that I see myself as a friendly person, and It's not my intention to write stupid posts..

I joined here because of my interest in making an rpg, and to learn new things. I also joined here to meet new people with common interests, and to help others with the knowledge I have so far.
All I can say is that I'm sorry that it happened, but there's not much to do about it now. I'm also sorry if people look upon my posts as stupid and irritating. It's not my intention to grind people the wrong way, It's totally the opposite to be honest.

haloOfTheSun · February 13, 2013, 01:28:58 AM

Quote from: Dizturb3d on February 13, 2013, 01:18:27 AM
I'm sorry that I was a part of this, and that it ended up getting Irock banned. I didn't know that it ended up in another argument, and that it was the reason for the mods leaving their posts..
From my own experience, I never saw Irock as being serious towards me and I just tried to express what I meant with my statement. Sure he flamed me alot, and called me a liar for no reason, but I'm not sure why he felt so offended by my post. It seems like many people think I'm a hypocrite and a idiot for my posts, and I'm not sure why. Maybe It's because of my grammatical errors, or something else.. but all I can say is that I see myself as a friendly person, and It's not my intention to write stupid posts..

I joined here because of my interest in making an rpg, and to learn new things. I also joined here to meet new people with common interests, and to help others with the knowledge I have so far.
All I can say is that I'm sorry that it happened, but there's not much to do about it now. I'm also sorry if people look upon my posts as stupid and irritating. It's not my intention to grind people the wrong way, It's totally the opposite to be honest.

I think it's unfortunate that you got caught in the middle of it because it wasn't so much about you but rather how the situation was handled. You shouldn't be sorry because you didn't actually "do" anything. In that thread I called you an idiot because I was irritated and that's what I tend to call people around her that I don't know and don't really pay attention to, but that doesn't make it right. Sorry about that.

I still think you're a hypocrite in that one post though xD

yuyu! · February 13, 2013, 01:34:43 AM

Happy early Valentines Day, you haters !!

Fall From Eden · February 13, 2013, 01:39:40 AM

i think irock is going to laugh at this

because lol

drama

Malson · February 13, 2013, 02:27:43 AM

Quote from: Dark_Metamorphosis on February 13, 2013, 01:18:27 AM
I'm sorry that I was a part of this, and that it ended up getting Irock banned. I didn't know that it ended up in another argument, and that it was the reason for the mods leaving their posts..
From my own experience, I never saw Irock as being serious towards me and I just tried to express what I meant with my statement. Sure he flamed me alot, and called me a liar for no reason, but I'm not sure why he felt so offended by my post. It seems like many people think I'm a hypocrite and a idiot for my posts, and I'm not sure why. Maybe It's because of my grammatical errors, or something else.. but all I can say is that I see myself as a friendly person, and It's not my intention to write stupid posts..

I joined here because of my interest in making an rpg, and to learn new things. I also joined here to meet new people with common interests, and to help others with the knowledge I have so far.
All I can say is that I'm sorry that it happened, but there's not much to do about it now. I'm also sorry if people look upon my posts as stupid and irritating. It's not my intention to grind people the wrong way, It's totally the opposite to be honest.

You're a good sport. Keep it up.

And I think this illustrates how silly this all is. When the "victim" himself wasn't taking any of it seriously, why would anyone else?

EvilM00s · February 13, 2013, 03:02:45 AM

I have an idea.

The forum gave Zylos Moderator powers. He saw a need to moderate. That son of a dust-ball for doing what he thought was right...

And maybe my opinion is biased, but Irock does a LOT of unneeded douchebaggery to a lot of new people. He's angry, rude and downright mean. Sure, it's probably because of some issue he has IRL... but shit, dude. There's a way you treat people and a way you don't. He crosses that line a lot, and i don't understand how it can be seen as cute or funny, regardless of how gracefully the target took it.

One man's opinion.

modern algebra · February 13, 2013, 03:59:21 AM

Quote from: Dr_Firerain on February 13, 2013, 12:12:33 AM
Modern Algebra said something about having "veterans" being stupid, and a lot of us in IRC disagreed. "rmrk is special because we're a close-knit group of people", this is what Halo said in IRC and he's right. This doesn't mean we never let anyone else in to our special little "club" but you won't earn it easy and it won't be immediate. Modern, you only know half of RMRK. You're never in IRC and you miss out on a lot of things.

You're right that I don't see half of RMRK, but you also don't see the half of RMRK that I see either. The half who are excited about RPG Maker and excited to share their projects; the half who just want to create resources for people or help others with RM; the half that include young teenagers and children. Some of them are really talented, some of them make mistakes. But they're cool people and I like having them around. All I want to do is create a small zone of safety for them, where they could post their progress or their opinions and not be flamed and driven away because they misspelled a word, misplaced a comma, or had the "wrong" opinion about Wind Waker in HD. Maybe they aren't 'veteran' material, but that doesn't mean they should be randomly attacked.

I'm sorry that it came to this, and I'd hate to see you leave over it, just as I hate seeing Irock leave over it. But I'm not sorry for caring about the other members on this site.

And just to be clear, I agree that "a tight-knit group of people" is cool and special. I just don't see a necessary connection between being close-knit and flaming decent people randomly. If they're going to the Sewers and trying to gain acceptance, then by all means haze them. They're not entitled to be liked, and hazing in those circumstances is valuable in that it keeps out of the tight-knit group people who are annoying or who just don't fit in. But if they're just minding their own business, then I don't see what valuable function flaming them could have. I don't see how it makes a tight-knit group tighter to belittle people who are just doing their own thing. That is what Irock was doing. It is to that kind of behaviour, and only to that kind of behaviour, that I object.

Grafikal · February 13, 2013, 04:43:22 AM

lol@another topic of this.

haloOfTheSun · February 13, 2013, 05:38:08 AM

Quote from: Grafikal on February 13, 2013, 04:43:22 AM
lol@another topic of this.

This attitude is why you aint a mod anymore ;]

Holkeye · February 13, 2013, 05:38:19 AM

What's the point of making this shit public? Just when people were getting done with the whole thing, someone thinks its a good idea to involve people who don't need to be involved. This seems more to me like a case of something finally happening here after it being dead for like 3 months.

Dwarra? · February 13, 2013, 05:48:01 AM

This brought forth a much needed change.

Holkeye · February 13, 2013, 06:28:12 AM

Which was...?

firerain · February 13, 2013, 06:45:49 AM

Please take your time to read this.

RMRK is crashing and burning. It's not maturing no matter how much you may want it to. It's just mods suddenly white-knighting out of the blue and spoiling the community when it was never a problem in the first place. Yes, sometimes we do flame a little too much to newbies. It happens. I'm guilty of it, a lot of members are, including moderators. It's massive hypocrisy.

NAMKCOR said in IRC that he's no longer tolerating flaming outside The Sewers, and will begin handing out temporary bans if he sees it. This is not RMRK. People loved RMRK because of its laidback nature and lax rules. It's what made RMRK, RMRK. We don't have a million of very strictly enforced rules and you get banned for stepping out of line even a little bit. This is what I loved about it. The freedom to do and say what you please, within a reasonable boundary.

Again, Irock's post wasn't bad. There has been far worse posted over the years and no one has bat an eye at it. You people in the Mod Hut blew it out of proportion and caused this mess, it wasn't sharing it with the forum. It made moderators step down because they didn't like what RMRK was becoming. Them stepping down is a direct result of your actions in that thread. Halo said this in the Mod Hut, but if you really didn't care, you wouldn't have cared about a couple of one off posts Irock made.

Jules mentioned that RMRK is maturing and changing in IRC, when the majority of us are just fine with the way it is. It's a force changed by the staff and no one likes that. It pushes people away. Irock and I being two of those people. It's not like RMRK is absurdly immature in the first place. We manage intelligent discussion all the time but we also like to have fun, poke fun or sometimes have fun at the expense of others, we even direct it at each other. Sometimes we take it too far, but that's very rarely.

I dunno, if RMRK is suddenly going to become a stricter place to post in and countinues to change in the way it is a lot more members will begin to leave. Some of you, who had never previously had a problem with us hazing or overly criticizing newer members, even outside of the sewers, have suddenly done a 180 and suddenly we have all these white knights acting as if they are the pariahs of forum etiquette.

Despite being stated countless times already, I want to say although we do sometimes take it too far it helps weed out the bad seeds. There is still RPG Maker discussion that gets untouched by the rest of us that happens all the time, unless someone posts a bad game or is generally being dumb. This whole thing could have been avoided if a more logical approach was taken at Irock's posts.

pacdiggity · February 13, 2013, 08:36:19 AM

This is stupid.

It's all a matter of maturity (like I can talk). Irock could afford to be more mature (so as not to tell Swedes to drink bleach, although I do know first-hand that he extends this offer to people of many nationalities), though still maintain his wacky mannerisms, and Zylos could've been more relaxes, as is the nature of RMRK. Hell, I had worse than that when I joined, nobody got banned for it, nobody got stripped of their titles or anything, everyone made up and I became a much, much better person because of it. The guy didn't even really care what Irock was saying, he knew he was being... whimsical, of sorts.

Irock went a little overboard, Zylos acted hastily. That's it. I'm with firerain, but I don't think that RMRK is going to break, at least if we all just remember that we're all still here because we're friends and the power of friendship is greater than the power of bleach. But friendship doesn't remove stains.