What's been going down lately for the less informed members.

Actually, when it came down to it, Halo said he agreed with the ban, just not Irock loosing his Mod powers.    So I reckon the thing that upsets you the most Firerain, that is the ban, is the thing that everyone (except sword and yuyu?) in that thread agreed with. 


Either way, this is over and done. I've never forced anyone to mature, I just recognize it when I see it. I'll continue to mod the way I have always done. Which is just with my common sense.




Edit: Just reread this and realized it sounds aggresssive. I apologize for that. I should not post when I am not fully awake. lol

Friendship with Pacman has often left stains on Yuyubabe's clothes.

The forum is maturing. We are changing. When I joined, some of the mods were still living at home with their parents and now are on their own. Thats a big step, and with it comes a changeg veiw of the world. If for no other reason, our attitudes have changed over the past 4 years because 4 years have passed. Many RMRKers have crossed from children to adults in that time; to say that the forum isn't maturing or SHOULDN'T mature is IMO unreasonable.

With said maturation comes change in one's perceptions of whats okay to do and say and what isn't. If NAMKCOR says no flaming outside of the Sewers, for example, then that's that. He has changed his attitude towards that behaviour and he has the authority to make the rules, so there. I find it distressing that the forum being less of a flame field is turning some members off.

Of course, easy for me to say. I wasn't directly involved. I was neither the flamer nor the flamee, I do not hang in the MOD HUT, and I wasn't the one who decided that lines were crossed. I'm not the one who feels like their forum is falling apart or that they cannot participate in moderation because of what happened. I am free from the second guessing, the anger, the hurt and the guilt... but this is what we have to work with, and although we can use this as a weathervane to judge what we all want out of the forum from now on, decisions that cannot be rescinded have been made. Everyone involved to this point has made it clear that they feel pretty good about ther actions.

DM, you took it with grace. Irock, please don't leave. Firerain, please stay. Halo, please be my mod again. Zylos, don't feel bad about acting on your convictions.

I guess I should clear up the whole "I'm okay with the ban" thing, because both sides are using that to make their point.

I'm okay with it only because, well first of all, it's a 3 day ban, who gives a shit? But more importantly because MA told him to stop and Irock told him to suck his dick and continued to be a dushbag. I don't think Irock went too far with what he was saying to that guy whose name I still can't remember because he changed it. Some people act like he was saying things that were hateful and cruel beyond which RMRK has ever seen, which is just a load of crap. It's an excuse to justify what happened.

I still feel there were better alternative courses of action, but the ban really isn't a big deal. Especially if Irock didn't think so and felt he deserved it. Everything else is too much.

When I first posted in that mod thread, I didn't expect things to blow up like they did. I hated it because I was suddenly in a debate against my friends (some of whom took it personally) and things started getting heated outside of that thread and I never wanted that to happen. I'm glad it did now, though. This is something that needs to be discussed because there are a  lot of people that hold very different and very strong beliefs about this. RMRK is more than just its staff and this is an important issue, regardless of how apathetic some of them are about this whole thing.

I'm still not 100% sure on my decision to out this to the public community. I feel as though a decision was made that required more insight than it was given, and I think the entire thing has made what's left of the forum stronger. I respect both sides and I don't find anyone to be completely at fault. That being said, a lot less drama would've been involved had I've just let it stay in the mod hut.

My actions have always been a result of my love for RMRK, not for my personal relationships with certain members. I stand by my resignation as I feel we need to return to a time where positions of power are reserved for responsible members of the community and not just the respected veterans. I've been here for nearly 8 years (which is 40% of my life) and this place and its people mean a lot to me. I still intend to stick around and do whatever I can to keep this place afloat, but I don't think a position of power is required for that.

I've noticed a big change in the staff since this whole ordeal started, and I apologize to those that have been demoted as a result of this. I have however stated my opinion that we should have a much smaller and more responsible staff and I have made my nominations for each position. I urge those who are still in power that don't need it to also resign, but I leave that at your own discretion.

I'd also like to apologize to everyone for bringing this out in the open, but I stand by my decision and I think it'll do us good in the long run.

To those we've lost, farewell and I love you.
To the rest of you, let's make RMRK a better place.

Modern Algebra - I've always trusted your judgement and I always will, I know your decision wasn't an easy one and I respect your ability to make it. I agree with Irock that you are detached from the community, but just from us awful Sewers folks. You're great and I hope this doesn't affect your judgement in the future.

Zylos - I don't agree with the haste of your decision nor the severity, but I respect your right to defend yourself for doing what you thought was right. I'm also glad that you have decided to wear the badge again, as I do think you're fit for the position.

Irock - You've got shit luck. I'm sorry it ended like this, brother. You're one of my favorite members and it sucks to see you go, but I talk to you more outside of this forum anyways.

Firerain - I could say the same thing I said for Irock, but you're my partner in crossing the line. How am I supposed to get away with the shit I do now that you're gone?

Halo - Thanks for joining me in resignation, you voiced my opinion perfectly and I would've felt pretty silly had you not been around. We both joined around the same time and I feel like we both have the same view on what RMRK is, I hope you stick around for good.

Anski - Come back for good. We need you to be better informed at times like these because you've got a good head on your shoulders and it doesn't hurt to have another good opinion around.

Roph - I've always been confused by your complacency in the community, but this time you stepped up and handled it all perfectly. I really don't think you get the credit you deserve for running this place. Keep on keeping on.

Everything that can come of this has already happened, I'm locking this thread so we can get past this and bounce back.
RMRK has gotten stale as of late and I fear we won't be around for much longer if we continue at this pace. We've gotten over this challenge but the biggest hurdle is ahead of us.

Let's make 2013 our year. 

Posting in a locked thread just to say I didn't say zero-tolerance.  I said I'd ban if things were severe.  I'm more likely to just move posts to the sewers, or delete them, and send a PM warning as I have done in the past.  I'm just going to pay more attention, rather than sitting back because I like to avoid drama.  The Sewers has always been a no-rules board, the place for flaming and etc... 

As Firerain said, sometimes things to too far.  I agree that this is the minority of the time, and these would be the only times bans are posted.  People aren't going to suddenly disappear for saying "stupid" or "retard" or making a joke.

In fact, all I even said in the mod hut thread was that I'd been admittedly slack, and I'm going to simply pay more attention as a staff member.

I really don't like having words put in my mouth, especially when I'm being flamed in IRC for standing up for my own opinion.  So I figured I'd at least put it down here so people can see.

This isn't going to become a dictatorship, so let's not phrase rhetoric in that way.

That said, I also feel that removing Irock's mod privileges was pretty unnecessary, but what's done is done.

1. No more "hidden mods" or whatever. Its dumb.
2. Mods should be active in the community. Im still a mod for some reason, and I haven't done anything modular in like 3 years. I said a few years ago that I didn't think I should be one, because Im not around as much, and I was sort of told Mod 4 Lyfe.
3. Bans are one thing, especially short ones, but the first action to a well known member should be a PM. Its respectful.
4. People should not use an atom bomb to ward off a fingernail scratch. Its immature. Quitting the forum, or being self-removed from Modding because of hurt feelings is irresponsible and a little babyish. If I quit everything I did when I didn't agree with a decision that was made, I wouldn't have anything left. Talking, not fighting, but talking, is the key to everything.
5. Maybe we all need to be a little more self-aware of our dickishness. Myself included, we all have said some things that were less than welcoming, and maybe we should do something about that.

These are just my opinions, and I don't really have anything to do with this whole issue. Feel free to ignore me, lol.

okay so as always I'm late to the party
but honestly I feel that the aggro/general nastiness was getting somewhat out of hand. beyond funny and into just plain nasty territory, especially some of irocks comments. yes rmrk is lax etc but there is a limit.

I'm not entirely sure I want to post here any more just as I am equally sure not much of you care but if the mods have been cut down then its only right that I do more mod work rather than just editing the word cocks into peoples posts.

i also think that we should make a little more effort into welcoming people rather than making them feel they're just toys we can fuck with because its funny.

Come on guys, the topic was locked for a reason.

Topic should never have been made public.