Just because I used you as an example does not mean I'm talking specifically to you.
I have just as much right to defend Stencyl as you have to bash it.
I'm not bashing it. I can't because
they won't even tell anyone what the program can do yet you still choose to believe that it's going to be amazing when you know nothing. Neither of us really have enough information to have a decent debate/argument. I'm simply trying to report what has been said. I'm aware that they don't have any proof to back up their words, but I still choose to follow it because it interests me. I'm pretty sure I covered this in this post.
Firstly, I don't see anyone trying to make a relevant and intelligent argument by saying "well maybe they're lying". Those that are are just trolling or going along with what they perceive as popular (i.e. Stencyl "bashing"). Second, I do have enough proof to launch a decent debate. My proof is their lack of proof. I am debating you not on whether or not Stencyl will be a good program, but the fact that you all follow it blindly like it's going to be the greatest thing ever made, when, again,
you have no idea what it's even capable of doing or how well it will even work. It interests you. Fine. Be interested. Follow what's happening, read the "updates" (lol they aren't a company btw). But don't defend it when someone points out a flaw as if we've insulted your mother. Again, this is not directly at you, even though you are doing that to an extent.
No, what Jon has told you is not tangible information because no proof has been provided.
I'm pretty sure I said all this in this post.
Congratulations. Way to miss the point. I'm not saying anyone is lying. That would be incredibly stupid if they were lying. What would they even have to lie about? Is it a possibility? Yes. What does this have to do with anything? Nothing. I said you have no tangible proof. I didn't say you were blindly following lies.
Their goals and intentions have changed greatly since the project started. They've removed the old Youtube videos that show fangames, they've removed all old screenshots, and they have turned their fan kit forums into single threads. It doesn't sound like they're trying to promote Stencyl as a fan game creator anymore.
OK so their promoted goals have changed and there are no screenshots or videos. That doesn't mean that it seems like Stencyl is limited to fangames. The only promoting they've done visually has been with creating fangames. All of their examples of what the program can do, that I've seen, has been of creating fangames. There's nothing really to debate over here. It's just bad promotion and advertising. But since they're seemingly changing so much of the program, perhaps when they do start advertising again, they'll do something besides show us Mario.
The reason they have no media up is clarified in this thread.
Nope, sorry. They've been secretive way longer than that. 1. They aren't a real company. A company is out for a profit. They are a commercial organization. It seems that they are legally an LLC, though I wouldn't be surprised if they're just claiming they are as many people in game making groups tend to do. 2. It all reeks of B.S. In the past they've acted like they've signed some non-disclosure agreement, now it's because they don't want anyone stealing their ideas. A load of crap.
I don't believe or disbelieve it.
You do. You say you're "interested" but if you didn't believe it you wouldn't get so worked up over all this.
In before "I'm not getting worked up. I'm very calm."
When I defend Stencyl, I'm using information they have told us. I've said this many times. It isn't fair to have your project bashed when people obviously don't know if the reason they're bashing it is relevant. I'm defending it the best way I can defend it, and that's by saying what the team has said. And as always, I recommend you ask the team for yourself. Even if you are bombarded with fanboys (which you won't be) you'll receive a good, well thought out answer from either Jon or Stephen.
It's not being bashed. You're missing the entire point.
I never argued against your opinions, but stating your opinions as if they are fact will end up with Stencyl being defended.
And stating your defenses as fact will never end anything until Stencyl provides more information, or more likely, released.
I told ahref to ask the team about this, yet he refused to. Compatibility errors is something the team hasn't commented on, and I couldn't try to answer. I said "SNIPPETS AREN'T SCRIPTING YOU JUST TAKE BITS OF SCRIPT AND PUT IT TOGETHER" after ahref said that we'll be scripting while using snippets. According to the team, you won't have to code anything to use snippets. So technically you AREN'T scripting, unless you're directly coding your own snippet.
But this is very likely to cause some compatibility issues. It would be like going out and collecting every script for rpg maker xp and putting them in your game and expecting it to work. Perhaps they are aware of this, I don't know. As you said they haven't mentioned anything about it. But maybe they're not. I'm willing to bet they're not.
You despise a program without even using it?, or seeing any footage of it?
I don't despise Stencyl because there's no reason to. I didn't word that very well. I started out with one thought but didn't finish it out and went into the next one. I meant to say "Which, even if there were no compatibility issues, it would be just another color-by-numbers program. I hate the piecing together snippets because it's just essentially color-by-numbers. etc." What I mean by this is it encourages less knowledge of your creative medium and stunts creative growth.
You aren't going to be bombarded by fanboys, unless you plan to say "WHERE DO I DOWNLOAD STENCYL, YOU NEED TO RELEASE IT." If you're capable of asking a decent question, you'll get a decent answer. The better the question, the better the answer you'll receive. I guarantee it.
I'll concede this point because I cannot locate my example. More likely the staff was intelligent enough to delete the fanboyish responses. But one cannot deny there is a sense of fanboyism here.
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