Five Trends of Modern Gaming That Need To Vanish

Acolyte · February 22, 2011, 09:03:02 PM

I prefer playing alone most of the time. I'm not really a social person, though.
A game shouldn't require other people to be entertaining. I have nothing against good multiplayer, but a game should be able to stand on its own.

Arrow · February 22, 2011, 09:24:52 PM

That's entirely true.

Holkeye · February 22, 2011, 09:26:29 PM

Not necessarily. It depends on what the developers are going for. MAG, for example, is all multiplayer.

Arrow · February 22, 2011, 09:33:09 PM

But a game you walk into a gamestop and drop 60 bucks for, I would say, should be able to stand on its own.

Irock · February 22, 2011, 09:42:07 PM

Even party games?

Arrow · February 22, 2011, 09:47:44 PM

Those have single player in them, the ones I can immediately call to mind. Mario Party had a single player campaign of some sort in every iteration. It was small, but enough to enjoy.

Smash brothers is definitely geared towards playing with friends, but there's plenty to do with unlocking characters and getting through arcade / adventure / SSE / whatever mode.

Fighting games are all about player one versus player 2, but you can spend a solid amount of time playing through arcade to see the various endings / getting your ass handed to you by an AI fighter.

Irock · February 22, 2011, 09:48:56 PM

I didn't say they didn't have single player. I was asking if you think a party game should have to stand on its own as a single player game.

Arrow · February 22, 2011, 09:49:43 PM

I'm not saying it should be KNOWN for it, I'm saying that if I'm paying full price for a game I should be able to enjoy it by myself- which is exactly what I said.

Gracie · February 22, 2011, 10:11:51 PM

By that I mean Single player being sacrificed for multiplayer ala MW2. You can have the best multiplayer mode in the world, it don't mean jack if the singleplayer is balls.
My social life consists with talking. I like playing multiplayer if I can punch my friends there and then for being a bastard.

Holkeye · February 22, 2011, 10:25:20 PM

That's just completely wrong though. I mean, some games are designed to be multiplayer only. And as far as unlocks in a fighting game, that shit can go away, too. Why make me play a game that I only want to play with friends over and over again just to get the character I want? Its pointless.

Cascading Dragon · February 23, 2011, 01:38:08 PM

If you want something completely built for multiplayer that should be built for multiplayer, play a MMO. Even then, they need a solid set of single player activities.

strike · February 23, 2011, 09:57:56 PM

Quote from: Gracie the Bitey on February 22, 2011, 10:11:51 PM
By that I mean Single player being sacrificed for multiplayer ala MW2. You can have the best multiplayer mode in the world, it don't mean jack if the singleplayer is balls.
My social life consists with talking. I like playing multiplayer if I can punch my friends there and then for being a bastard.

the only thing super terrible about mw2 singleplayer was the short length. the multiplayer is terrible. so really that's just a case of developer-retardation

Tezuka · February 26, 2011, 03:09:41 PM

Number 4 has to be one of the worst for me. I found out a few weeks back that Tales of Graces F (new Tales game for PS3) is coming overseas after fan response. This sounded amazing since Namdai have had a "ALL NON-JAPANESE CANNOT GRASP THE CONCEPT OF JRPGs" thing going on for almost a few years now, so a localized Tales game for PS3 sounded awesome.

What was the first thing "fans" demanded? "DON'T DUB/WANT A JAPANESE OPTION"

Even before realizing how amazing it is for another next-gen Namdai JRPG being localized is, they moan about english voice work that hasn't even happened yet.

Holkeye · February 26, 2011, 08:45:31 PM

Right, bitch about one thing, and then bitch about another. I hate those people.

Arrow · February 26, 2011, 09:01:47 PM

Absolutely me too.

Kokowam · February 26, 2011, 09:11:45 PM

Quote from: Tezuka on February 26, 2011, 03:09:41 PM
Even before realizing how amazing it is for another next-gen Namdai JRPG being localized is, they moan about english voice work that hasn't even happened yet.

I mean, to defend them, English voice work has had a tendency to be badly done. It's just inductive reasoning, and it's like a movie that had a really great plot and idea as well as effects and a great director but putting in bad actors.

Holkeye · February 26, 2011, 09:16:22 PM

It doesn't matter what the reasoning is. The point remains that this is a stupid trend. This is an English-speaking country, so obviously the games should be in English. I say, if people are going to bitch, just cut the voices all together. Most of these shitty shovelware RPGs like Mana Khemia and stuff don't even need them. They're boring enough with voices, so having text-only isn't going to change much. We're so fucking spoiled today.

Tezuka · February 27, 2011, 12:53:29 AM

Quote from: Master Moo on February 26, 2011, 09:11:45 PM
Quote from: Tezuka on February 26, 2011, 03:09:41 PM
Even before realizing how amazing it is for another next-gen Namdai JRPG being localized is, they moan about english voice work that hasn't even happened yet.
I mean, to defend them, English voice work has had a tendency to be badly done. It's just inductive reasoning, and it's like a movie that had a really great plot and idea as well as effects and a great director but putting in bad actors.

Believe me; if you could understand what they were saying in Japanese, you would know how stupidly intense and freaky it can sound sometimes. Depending on the person, it could be just a "the grass is always greener" thing, or just full on "I WISH I WAS JAPANESE". Sadly the second one is much more prominent in the undub community.

But yeah, it always depends on the staff that work on cast calling. For the past 2-3 years, I have played many localized games that have had fantastic english voice work, even with games that had a slightly lower budget than most. No More Heroes for example: I remember when Travis just came out with his first words in the game: "FUCK HEADS". I laughed like hell, the voice actors they chose for the game were just amazing and (deliberately) hilarious at the same time.

I actually think the term "undub" sounds insulting on its own. It pretty much says "put it back to the way it was", for a company to go through a lot of casting work only to see/hear a "fan" say "THIS GAME NEEDS TO BE UNDUBBED" must be annoying.

tl;dr I agree.

Arrow · February 27, 2011, 05:20:16 AM

It's also discouraging when considering localization. If that's the point they're focusing on, do they really care enough for a company to even bother porting a game? And on the other point you made, yes, english voice acting is excellent lately, save a few annoying outliers.

Gracie · February 27, 2011, 09:16:20 AM

english dubs on japanese games are notoriously gay, but thats why i adore them.

down with the retarded fan-weeaboos!

Link · February 28, 2011, 12:47:33 PM

PC community for any FPS

Its either

"We want free DLC"

Or if its being released on Steam

"We want hats for TF2"

Also hats on TF2 >:I

Gracie · February 28, 2011, 01:19:35 PM

Another thing is games like all these shitty FPS's having the best graphics. WHYYY.

Holkeye · February 28, 2011, 09:01:06 PM

I'd take the PC community over Xbox anyday,

strike · February 28, 2011, 09:21:05 PM

holk do you even HAVE xbox live, because there are plenty of douchebags on both.

Holkeye · February 28, 2011, 09:25:26 PM

I do, well, I occasionally do. I let my gold subscription lapse unless there's something I really want to play on it. Since I'll probably be getting Bulletstorm on 360, I'm going to rejoin then. And you're totally right, there are massive douches on both. In my experience, though, I like the people I've met on PC more than on 360.