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Unsure if this is for here.

Right, everyone has seen the massive influx of feminism in the news, mainly targeting video games, and the Tropes vs women on kickstarter.

But i wanted to link the the blog of the women who started the kickstarter and get your guys opinion.


http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/


honestly, i think she has problems, i was wondering your's guys?

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Feminism as a whole is dumb.

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Feminism is dumb. I have never met a feminist who has truly wanted equality, they want to be worshiped for having a vag.

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I've never met a pleasant feminist either, and this one doesn't seem nice either. Any ladies wanna pitch in, though?

... just wondering
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Feminism is dumb. I have never met a feminist who has truly wanted equality, they want to be worshiped for having a vag.

Pretty much this. I'm all for treating men and women equally, but that's not what feminists want.
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Did you get that from FB? Redwyn I think, posted it this morning.

I'm starting to get sick of feminism. Seriously, never met a bigger bunch of ignorant, bigoted and rude people in my life.

I'm all for equality but they make me feel ill, some of the stuff they believe.


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Did you get that from FB? Redwyn I think, posted it this morning.

I'm starting to get sick of feminism. Seriously, never met a bigger bunch of ignorant, bigoted and rude people in my life.

I'm all for equality but they make me feel ill, some of the stuff they believe.

No, i found it in the many Feminism discussions, read some out, then i made a youtube video just talking about it, i found most of the list funny. 

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I actually got the link, from Link [haha :v] during our skype chats. However, I found this last year; I just pushed it out of my mind.

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geQyrBGS_60&list=UUjNxszyFPasDdRoD9J6X-sw&index=105&feature=plcp

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The author of that blog is a marxist, and therefore is examining the aspects of gender-bias in culture from a marxist perspective (the situation of domination and submission, who benefits--as the consumer--and who is being exploited), and, ultimately concludes that there are elements of patriarchal culture which encourage undesired behavior. In this, she is correct, and I understand pretty much all of her arguments by the school of thought they are based in. And it is always interesting, and perhaps even helpful, to know (or at least consider) why one does or think something and  why that action is thought to be, or is thought not to be, acceptable. The article has its merits, but I do have my issues with the author.

I've read other articles on her blog, and articles he has linked to. I don't like invalidating assessments. Even though I think she does wrong in the way she strictly defines subjects of "love", "consent", and "dysfunction" in her own terms, ignoring how others define them for themselves (her article criticizing another feminist for her BDSM fetishism is a good example of this).

While I would not attempt to define the first two, the use of the phrase "dysfunction" has always been an interesting subject for me. As someone who has severe social anxiety and is mildly paranoid-schizophrenic, "dysfunction" has meant that something interferes with your ability to function. If you can cope with that thing, and find ways to enjoy life/self, then, well, you can hardly be called "dysfunctional" for you are, in fact, "functional".

However, I understand that her argument would have been something along the lines of the Marxist view that just because something is "functional" doesn't make it "right".

As a final note, and this is the one that could get me in trouble with her (or even people on here, maybe), I would like to address that, as someone who is training to be a professional actor, I've been taught that he measure of any interaction is a.) "what the person wants, and b.) "what that person is doing to the other person to convince them to give it to them". She talks about emotional and social manipulation. In my worldview, every interaction (including healthy sexual activity) involves coercion of some form. It should be mutual, but people are always working on each other for one thing or another. Relationships and sex are one of those things. So, how do we define what is "healthy" coercion, and what isn't? I'm not so sure there's a way to define that which would be applicable to everyone, though, there's certainly forms of bad coercion which are wrong for anyone.

In my experience, it is easier to define chaos than to define what order is; what is evil rather than what is good, and I'm not really sure that defining one would automatically define the opposite.

But that's me. I don't know anything, really. I've come to grips with the fact that I don't ever have any answers. I just thought I'd weigh in with something other than "feminism is dumb."

EDIT: And one more question is biting at me has to do with her criticism of the BDSM fetishist. She argues that the fetishist gets a sexual high out of BDSM because she, in her own words, was abused. It was her way of coping with and conquering that fear by reliving it. To make sure we understand: even the woman who is in BDSM is saying this is the case.

How that relates to me, and the existential/philosophical question it brings up has to do with my career as an actor. As I said before, I experience severe anxiety in social settings, with people (especially women). I grew up in almost total isolation. I am one of the last people who would want to be an actor and would pursue it (maybe). To me, though, it gives me a high because it allows me to cope and conquer that fear. To me, people would say that was healthy.

Why, then, is my coping mechanism and ability to get a rush from something that has traumatized me for most of my life, considered good, but hers is "unhealthy" and makes her a victim?

Someone might argue it is because she is a victim, then, of the patriarchal society, and, I cannot argue that. But I can say this: so am I. I didn't meet the standards of the patriarchal society, and still don't. I didn't match the ideal male persona and so was used in a way by other men to establish their own meeting of this critirea. So, idk, in my mind, I don't see it as different. But I do wonder if I am missing the part that makes it so. And if so, why?

At what point (and perhaps here I do get preachy) do we accept that we all have bullshit in our lives and whatever we do to make ourselves happy and to cope is good, as long as we aren't destroying our ability to function (only helping it) or hurting anyone else.

Of course the marxist like her (or the marxist in me) would argue that the things we do in society are always harming others by way of implicit consent, and that is a valid way of looking at things in terms of cause and effect.

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That's dumb. There's a few others in the list that are dumb too, but this is the goofiest.

Anyway, discussing feminism and sexism is really boring. The person made some valid points, but it's all a bit of a slippery slope so whatever.

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If I was able, I would rename it Video Games 2. Only no casuals would be allowed entrance, so it would just be me.

I probably should have written more about it. dudeguy119 made bakas of us all.

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it seems this is on the same level as religion debates.

This board needs a new mod.

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Okay, so I, for the most part, cannot stand feminists. And this list of "rape-supporters" is just bullshit... It degrades men in general and is so broad and vague it basically calls ALL MEN rape-supporters which is just wrong. So then I guess I am totally a rape supporter! GO RAPE.


Fuck this list...  fuck these types of supporters and anyone who legitimately believe this list is right...


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Okay, I'm actually going to throw my two cents with what Acolyte says.

Feminism isn't the problem, it's the people that take it in the wrong direction, just like any other philosophy or belief. You can't hate an idea because of the people that twist it into a bad direction.

I think she's right. There are some crazy feminists out there. The idea itself of feminism itself isn't any different then many other groups. There's going to be those few crazies that expect to be handed everything from any group, and take "equality" to beyond.

Okay, so I, for the most part, cannot stand feminists. And this list of "rape-supporters" is just bullshit... It degrades men in general and is so broad and vague it basically calls ALL MEN rape-supporters which is just wrong. So then I guess I am totally a rape supporter! GO RAPE.


Fuck this list...  fuck these types of supporters and anyone who legitimately believe this list is right...


It's all nonsense...

Friend, I will be honest in saying that your response is a bit puzzling to me! ;9 I promise I don't mean any harm, but I'm just going to shoot for my honesty, now. This isn't really about that lady's views, but more about yours. Welp, here goes.

I think its a little unfair when you told me once:
"I'm not really affected when a female character dies in a game", but you admit to crying over some male game character deaths, multiple times. O.o I know you have a lot of respect for men but, while saying "fuck this" to feminist views? Maybe that's not true, but that's how I kinda took this whole thing. After you said that thing about not being affected by female deaths, it kinda bothered me. And now, you're saying how much feminists bother you.

Not sure how true this is or not, but this is made from assumption: A lot of lesbians are feminists, and you have a lot of support for the gay-rights movement. (Which is just fine, they deserve their rights - I'm all for that). But, why do you hate all feminists "for the most part", but then dislike it when someone has issues with homosexuality? It makes little sense to me.

I don't believe in what that woman says, I'm just stating the irony.
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because hating feminists is almost always justified because of their stupidity and unwarranted self-importance.

not to say hating gay-bashers isn't.
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Feminism is stupid because it isn't even a thing. Equality is a thing.

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Holkeye, I agree and disagree with that last bit. Yes, equality should be the end goal. However, feminism still can be (and I would say is) a thing with that in mind. Feminists are just those who work to ensure that females specifically are treated equally.

Feminists, I think, are not nearly the problem. Feminism at its base is a noble endeavor that I can support.

The bad part is the loud part, and the part we deal with most often: extremists. There are plenty of those in the ranks of feminists and sadly that is what they are commonly known for- and that works against them, I think. People, males especially, are significantly less willing to listen to aggressive and offensive individuals than they are to those who work peacefully (but no less affirmatively) to achieve their goals.

A major component of the whole issue being attacked here is that men hold greater power in key elements of society and that women are forced into a handicap of sorts (vastly abridged summary, I'm aware). That said, making those in power frustrated enough that they turn a deaf ear to the cause will only hinder the progress of feminists. There's not really any going around the current system of predominantly male policy makers and officials. You have to work through it and within it, and that means persuasion. Not rage.

I think that this is obvious to any intelligent individual, and the key figures who began the women's rights movement were certainly intelligent individuals themselves. It's the mob that came afterward that flubbed a lot of it up. Any movement will be used by narrow minded and angry people as a vehicle for their ignorance.

It boils down to this: a lot of you, I think, do not hate feminists any more than you hate any individual who wants a fair shake at life. You hate morons.

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PETA is an organization, feminism is an ideology. The two aren't comparable. If anything, it should be comparing vegans to feminists.

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I hate PETA because PETA exists.

Feminism definition as defined by http://www.merriam-webster.com to support my statement.

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Feminism as an ideology isn't bad.  Women that take it that step further to be treated as the dominant sex is bad.  Feminists fall under the same rules as every other group in that there will always be a few asshats in the bunch that will ruin it for the others.  Some feminists lose their grasp (or never had a grasp to begin with) on what it is they are trying to achieve and that is what gives the whole group a bad name.

The article is totally a slam against men (and women) saying that we support rape.  They didn't think their article through and apparently still have no clue what is wrong with their statements. 
I am out of fucks to give.  In fact, I think you owe ME some fucks.  I have insufficient fucks in the fucking account.

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I think she's right. There are some crazy feminists out there. The idea itself of feminism itself isn't any different then many other groups. There's going to be those few crazies that expect to be handed everything from any group, and take "equality" to beyond.

There's quite a bit more than a few, otherwise, who would care?

Not sure how true this is or not, but this is made from assumption: A lot of lesbians are feminists, and you have a lot of support for the gay-rights movement.

Not to step into a debate that has nothing to do with me, but a lot of those lesbian feminists are the kind of crazy people we're talking about to begin with. Just because she supports gay rights, and a some gay women are feminists, doesn't mean there's a contradiction there. That's like saying it's a contradiction for someone to, let's say, not support the death penalty, but is in support of a particular group of people. And let's say that many of that group of people do support the death penalty. They're two separate issues. You can be in support of a group getting the rights they deserve, and still have different ideologies.

And it's not even different ideologies in this case. Surely everyone who has posted here is for equality. It's the lunatics - the group of people that call themselves feminists - that we're against.

The rest of what you said is between you two.

Feminists, I think, are not nearly the problem. Feminism at its base is a noble endeavor that I can support.

I think that this is obvious to any intelligent individual, and the key figures who began the women's rights movement were certainly intelligent individuals themselves. It's the mob that came afterward that flubbed a lot of it up. Any movement will be used by narrow minded and angry people as a vehicle for their ignorance.

It boils down to this: a lot of you, I think, do not hate feminists any more than you hate any individual who wants a fair shake at life. You hate morons.

Sure, in the beginning everything was working well, and it's the angry crazies that came afterwards that give feminism a bad name. It's kind of like what has happened to many environmental movements. But, that's kind of the point. I'm sure it would be wrong to say that most feminists are the type of women we're discussing, the hypocritical, men-hating, violent type. I'm sure there are plenty of women who consider themselves feminists but don't hate men just because they have a penis. Majority or not, the crazies are the ones getting the attention, and they're the ones shaping what feminism is becoming and what society's view of feminists and feminism itself is. Oh, and let's not forget all the fallacious "studies" done by feminist groups to support their hatred of men and male-dominated society.

So if you want, argue that this is an issue of bad labeling; that we shouldn't group both sorts of feminists under the same label. At the same time, this extreme side of feminism is really what feminism has become. It's mostly loud angry women saying loud angry misguided things that are completely ridiculous.

But you are right, I do hate morons.
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Sure, in the beginning everything was working well, and it's the angry crazies that came afterwards that give feminism a bad name. It's kind of like what has happened to many environmental movements. But, that's kind of the point. I'm sure it would be wrong to say that most feminists are the type of women we're discussing, the hypocritical, men-hating, violent type. I'm sure there are plenty of women who consider themselves feminists but don't hate men just because they have a penis. Majority or not, the crazies are the ones getting the attention, and they're the ones shaping what feminism is becoming and what society's view of feminists and feminism itself is. Oh, and let's not forget all the fallacious "studies" done by feminist groups to support their hatred of men and male-dominated society.

So if you want, argue that this is an issue of bad labeling; that we shouldn't group both sorts of feminists under the same label. At the same time, this extreme side of feminism is really what feminism has become. It's mostly loud angry women saying loud angry misguided things that are completely ridiculous.

But you are right, I do hate morons.


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PETA is an organization, feminism is an ideology. The two aren't comparable. If anything, it should be comparing vegans to feminists.

I was comparing feminism to animal rights, not PETA. I probably should have been clearer about that.

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to step into a debate that has nothing to do with me, but a lot of those lesbian feminists are the kind of crazy people we're talking about to begin with.

To step into a debate that has nothing to do with ME, but alot of those people who try to push their opinions on everyone else but wont listen to others opinions are the kind of crazy people we're talking about.

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I'm not entirely sure what your point is, but I'm thinking that you missed mine. Maybe because I'm not very good at articulating my thoughts.
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PETA is an organization, feminism is an ideology. The two aren't comparable. If anything, it should be comparing vegans to feminists.

I don't much like vegans either.

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I'm not entirely sure what your point is, but I'm thinking that you missed mine. Maybe because I'm not very good at articulating my thoughts.

Thats what I thought.

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Yes, exactly. o:<

There's quite a bit more than a few, otherwise, who would care?

Right, but that really happens with most groups. Not just feminists. This whole thing is starting to remind me of:

>Few crazy pastors have huge problem with Gay Marriage.
>Some people develop deep hatred for religion/religious people based on those few extremists.

Not saying that happens often, but I've seen signs of it. :mad:

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Not to step into a debate that has nothing to do with me, but a lot of those lesbian feminists are the kind of crazy people we're talking about to begin with. Just because she supports gay rights, and a some gay women are feminists, doesn't mean there's a contradiction there. That's like saying it's a contradiction for someone to, let's say, not support the death penalty, but is in support of a particular group of people. And let's say that many of that group of people do support the death penalty. They're two separate issues. You can be in support of a group getting the rights they deserve, and still have different ideologies.

You make an excellent point about the contradiction, but I didn't ever say it was my intention to contradict her. D: I just didn't think it was right to say feminism was all ridiculous, yet say the thing she did about females, games or not. It kinda proves the feminist point in a way. >:o
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Okay, I'm actually going to throw my two cents with what Acolyte says.

Feminism isn't the problem, it's the people that take it in the wrong direction, just like any other philosophy or belief. You can't hate an idea because of the people that twist it into a bad direction.

I think she's right. There are some crazy feminists out there. The idea itself of feminism itself isn't any different then many other groups. There's going to be those few crazies that expect to be handed everything from any group, and take "equality" to beyond.

Okay, so I, for the most part, cannot stand feminists. And this list of "rape-supporters" is just bullshit... It degrades men in general and is so broad and vague it basically calls ALL MEN rape-supporters which is just wrong. So then I guess I am totally a rape supporter! GO RAPE.


Fuck this list...  fuck these types of supporters and anyone who legitimately believe this list is right...


It's all nonsense...

Friend, I will be honest in saying that your response is a bit puzzling to me! ;9 I promise I don't mean any harm, but I'm just going to shoot for my honesty, now. This isn't really about that lady's views, but more about yours. Welp, here goes.

I think its a little unfair when you told me once:
"I'm not really affected when a female character dies in a game", but you admit to crying over some male game character deaths, multiple times. O.o I know you have a lot of respect for men but, while saying "fuck this" to feminist views? Maybe that's not true, but that's how I kinda took this whole thing. After you said that thing about not being affected by female deaths, it kinda bothered me. And now, you're saying how much feminists bother you.

Not sure how true this is or not, but this is made from assumption: A lot of lesbians are feminists, and you have a lot of support for the gay-rights movement. (Which is just fine, they deserve their rights - I'm all for that). But, why do you hate all feminists "for the most part", but then dislike it when someone has issues with homosexuality? It makes little sense to me.

I don't believe in what that woman says, I'm just stating the irony.

I would like to point out that when I said I was unaffected by the deaths of female characters in games is in big part due to the 'stereo-type' woman placed in the games. They are almost always one dimensional characters without an actual personality of their own that would be seen in real life. The male characters do. And yes, I can list a few where there were some women that did have an actual personality.

But this is besides the point. Lesbians are, for the most part, NOT feminists. They typically don't care. And I understand that you said it was an assumption. And the fact that you think I base my opinion on feminists on how I view a fictional character in a game is well, insulting.

And the views I get. It is the LIST I was bitching about and those crazy feminists who think all men are out to get them. I never once said in that post I hated their views... It was about that post in particular.

And I must ask, did you read that post? It was ridiculous. I think you took my post way out of context and shoved it to the extreme of hated all women and their views, and that is not right.  I never mentioned their views, only them.
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I would like to point out that when I said I was unaffected by the deaths of female characters in games is in big part due to the 'stereo-type' woman placed in the games. They are almost always one dimensional characters without an actual personality of their own that would be seen in real life. The male characters do. And yes, I can list a few where there were some women that did have an actual personality.

But this is besides the point. Lesbians are, for the most part, NOT feminists. They typically don't care. And I understand that you said it was an assumption. And the fact that you think I base my opinion on feminists on how I view a fictional character in a game is well, insulting.

And the views I get. It is the LIST I was bitching about and those crazy feminists who think all men are out to get them. I never once said in that post I hated their views... It was about that post in particular.

And I must ask, did you read that post? It was ridiculous. I think you took my post way out of context and shoved it to the extreme of hated all women and their views, and that is not right.  I never mentioned their views, only them.

I believe Yuyubabe is simply voicing her opinion, just as you were when you made your posts. as such I ask that you respect her thoughts, please.

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Not to be rude Halo, because I do agree with ninety percent of what you said, but this kind of struck me as a little odd.

I'm sure it would be wrong to say that most feminists are the type of women we're discussing, the hypocritical, men-hating, violent type.

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At the same time, this extreme side of feminism is really what feminism has become. It's mostly loud angry women saying loud angry misguided things that are completely ridiculous.

Could you clarify, here?

if feminist think that men are out to get them i would think a lot of them wouldn't date them, and probably moved on to dating other women

You shouldn't say things like that- they do not reflect well on you.

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Not to be rude Halo, because I do agree with ninety percent of what you said, but this kind of struck me as a little odd.

I'm sure it would be wrong to say that most feminists are the type of women we're discussing, the hypocritical, men-hating, violent type.

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At the same time, this extreme side of feminism is really what feminism has become. It's mostly loud angry women saying loud angry misguided things that are completely ridiculous.

Could you clarify, here?

Sorry, I meant that it would be wrong to say the majority of feminists are crazy, but it's the crazy ones that are the face of feminism.
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There was no disrespect in my post Mariah. I respect her views, just as she respects mine. I thought I was clear on what  meant but apparently not...  I don't hate all women, I hate the eccentric women who agree with the original post and THEIR views on feminism. That's all I meant really...

And I just wanted to defend myself...

And I was only one of many people who said they can't stand feminists. It's not like my post was the only one...

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Alright, that makes total sense.

And Julyla, I wasn't saying it doesn't look good to align as homosexual- I myself am very much bi. I'm saying that that was a sweeping generalization that flies in the face of the situation's truth.

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I would like to point out that when I said I was unaffected by the deaths of female characters in games is in big part due to the 'stereo-type' woman placed in the games. They are almost always one dimensional characters without an actual personality of their own that would be seen in real life. The male characters do. And yes, I can list a few where there were some women that did have an actual personality.

That particular video game female mentioned actually had a pretty decent personality. I've known many female characters with great personalities. Actually, you didn't play that game (or got to that part), so you didn't really have a way of knowing what her personality was, but still said that ?? I found it kind of offensive, especially after I was talking about how sad I thought it was and you replied with an "I don't really care" response. That's against the point.

But this is besides the point. Lesbians are, for the most part, NOT feminists. They typically don't care. And I understand that you said it was an assumption. And the fact that you think I base my opinion on feminists on how I view a fictional character in a game is well, insulting.

I'd assume a lot of feminists wouldn't want to marry men? I don't know the statistics, exactly, but it was an assumption.

I don't think it has to do with feminists, but females in general. You've showed more signs of having less respect for females then males, in other ways. I'm not saying you hate females, but you don't seem to respect them as much as men.

And the views I get. It is the LIST I was bitching about and those crazy feminists who think all men are out to get them. I never once said in that post I hated their views... It was about that post in particular.

Okay, so I, for the most part, cannot stand feminists.

You should clarify, because it sounded like you were trashing all feminists based on one extremist. You've even said before that you hate religious people, and I didn't even know how to reply, because you know I am religious. Okay, so I consider myself a feminist, because I want equality for men and women (like Lethrface's definition stated). I'm no extremist, but I believe in equal opportunities. In fact, I think women have an easier time getting jobs, compared to men. I think that should be fixed. That's what a real feminist is, because that's equality. And that statement was offensive to me.

And I must ask, did you read that post? It was ridiculous. I think you took my post way out of context and shoved it to the extreme of hated all women and their views, and that is not right.  I never mentioned their views, only them.

Yeah, that's the views of one extremist. There are environmentalists that think animals should be able to sue in court. There are crazies in every group. Maybe you didn't mean all feminists, but it sounded like you did at the time when this all bothered me.
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I would like to point out that when I said I was unaffected by the deaths of female characters in games is in big part due to the 'stereo-type' woman placed in the games. They are almost always one dimensional characters without an actual personality of their own that would be seen in real life. The male characters do. And yes, I can list a few where there were some women that did have an actual personality.

That particular video game female mentioned actually had a pretty decent personality. I've known many female characters with great personalities. Actually, you didn't play that game (or got to that part), so you didn't really have a way of knowing what her personality was, but still said that ?? I found it kind of offensive, especially after I was talking about how sad I thought it was and you replied with an "I don't really care" response. That's against the point.

But this is besides the point. Lesbians are, for the most part, NOT feminists. They typically don't care. And I understand that you said it was an assumption. And the fact that you think I base my opinion on feminists on how I view a fictional character in a game is well, insulting.

I'd assume a lot of feminists wouldn't want to marry men? I don't know the statistics, exactly, but it was an assumption.

I don't think it has to do with feminists, but females in general. You've showed more signs of having less respect for females then males, in other ways. I'm not saying you hate females, but you don't seem to respect them as much as men.

And the views I get. It is the LIST I was bitching about and those crazy feminists who think all men are out to get them. I never once said in that post I hated their views... It was about that post in particular.

Okay, so I, for the most part, cannot stand feminists.

You should clarify, because it sounded like you were trashing all feminists based on one extremist. You've even said before that you hate religious people, and I didn't even know how to reply, because you know I am religious. Okay, so I consider myself a feminist, because I want equality for men and women (like Lethrface's definition stated). I'm no extremist, but I believe in equal opportunities. In fact, I think women have an easier time getting jobs, compared to men. I think that should be fixed. That's what a real feminist is, because that's equality. And that statement was offensive to me.

And I must ask, did you read that post? It was ridiculous. I think you took my post way out of context and shoved it to the extreme of hated all women and their views, and that is not right.  I never mentioned their views, only them.

Yeah, that's the views of one extremist. There are environmentalists that think animals should be able to sue in court. There are crazies in every group. Maybe you didn't mean all feminists, but it sounded like you did at the time when this all bothered me.

What video game character did you think I meant? I never gave any particulars... I said female characters in general in video games.
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I'd assume a lot of feminists wouldn't want to marry men? I don't know the statistics, exactly, but it was an assumption.

Hello, I was married to a feminist. Your claims are based on stereotypes, thank you for playing.

I like how we pretty much all were saying the same thing about feminists and made it pretty clear from the beginning we were all talking about the extremist crazy ones like the example in the first post and yuyubabe has chosen to single one person's posts out.
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Uh, can I for one say that when I read Guin's post I took it simply as she didn't like the woman who made that post.  Speaking for myself only she has never been disrespectful to me. 

I think you guys just had a misunderstanding. 



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What video game character did you think I meant? I never gave any particulars... I said female characters in general in video games.

The one we were talking about at the time, but I'm not going to spoil a part of the plot. :-X

I like how we pretty much all were saying the same thing about feminists and made it pretty clear from the beginning we were all talking about the extremist crazy ones like the example in the first post and yuyubabe has chosen to single one person's posts out.

Okay. The topic is called "feminism", referring to feminism in general?

Also, I didn't single out her post. My intention was to point out the irony of her statement, because she crams her beliefs down my throat, but then goes around talking nonsense about mine. I'm sick and tired of accepting it, and I'm defending my beliefs, for once.
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How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?

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I know you probably didn't mean it as such, but I found that rather offensive.

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This is the first time anything on the internet has made me burst out laughing in a long time.

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I know you probably didn't mean it as such, but I found that rather offensive.

Of course I didn't. I've already said that the idea of Feminism is stupid. I'll treat human beings like human beings, and if that isn't good enough for someone, then they can get stuffed.

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because a thread about it challenged the friendship threeofspades and I share

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Maybe there's a distinction to be made between feminism and women's rights. I never really considered that.

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I know, we had a misunderstanding... and we let it get out of hand. And Letherface is right... This needs to be thrown in the sewers now...

And I am sorry for this topic being destroyed and taken way to far off what it was intended to be...

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Maybe there's a distinction to be made between feminism and women's rights. I never really considered that.

Wow please tell me you're joking. I have a feeling that you are. But regardless, of course there is. Women rights as an idea could easily exist without feminism, because feminism only exists to support womans rights (which was their original goal, they weren't created with total equality in mind and I think thats part of the problem). I'm too tired to talk properly at this point anyway.
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I know you probably didn't mean it as such, but I found that rather offensive.

Of course I didn't. I've already said that the idea of Feminism is stupid. I'll treat human beings like human beings, and if that isn't good enough for someone, then they can get stuffed.

The idea of feminism is to strive towards equality for both sexes. Equal wages and opportunities, things like that. Like I said, there are plenty of people who go the whole "men are evil and are beneath us bluh bluh" route, but that isn't really feminism. Saying you think feminism is stupid is basically saying you think striving for equality is stupid.

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I don't see the point in calling it Feminism if it's about equality in general.  There's plenty of situations where women are treated with extreme bias, and I've never seen a feminist complain about that.

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Anything that bases anything on gender is sexism. Just as anything that bases anything on race is racism. Though many of the things that feminism originally intended to overcome were also sexism, the original article's argument is also sexist. And no, I am not against equality for men and women. I'm against people thinking that nothing is ever good enough, and that everything is always the result of some "-ist" bias.

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Anything that bases anything on gender is sexism. Just as anything that bases anything on race is racism. Though many of the things that feminism originally intended to overcome were also sexism, the original article's argument is also sexist. And no, I am not against equality for men and women. I'm against people thinking that nothing is ever good enough, and that everything is always the result of some "-ist" bias.

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Anything that bases anything on gender is sexism. Just as anything that bases anything on race is racism. Though many of the things that feminism originally intended to overcome were also sexism, the original article's argument is also sexist. And no, I am not against equality for men and women. I'm against people thinking that nothing is ever good enough, and that everything is always the result of some "-ist" bias.

You know, I made an argument about something similar before and got flamed for it.  I don't think it was here but I was talking about black rights groups and whatnot and how there really shouldn't be a group for it as it should be human rights and not some one-sided group.  It's funny how just because I'm white and a male, my opinion doesn't mean shit when it comes to using your head. 

Don't get me wrong, I do find that at some point, there was a need for groups to fight for the rights of women and people of color and there might even still be a need to a small extent now but we should all be at the point where we drop the labels and just call for equal rights for all. 

Anyway, I'm tired as hell so I'm going to stop here >.<
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You know, I made an argument about something similar before and got flamed for it.  I don't think it was here but I was talking about black rights groups and whatnot and how there really shouldn't be a group for it as it should be human rights and not some one-sided group.  It's funny how just because I'm white and a male, my opinion doesn't mean shit when it comes to using your head. 

Don't get me wrong, I do find that at some point, there was a need for groups to fight for the rights of women and people of color and there might even still be a need to a small extent now but we should all be at the point where we drop the labels and just call for equal rights for all. 

Anyway, I'm tired as hell so I'm going to stop here >.<

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I think females might get a little harsher time getting high hourly wages, but that does not balance out the really shitty and unfair detentions between males and females.

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I've never seen a woman getting an easier sentence for a crime, but  it really bothers me when women get preference over men in custody cases, especially when the father is obviously better fit for parenthood. That's one of the few things I can think of where women get better treatment. Men are definitely victims of sexism as well, it's just not always as noticeable, which is probably why people don't speak out about it as often.

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I know somewhere on this forum Roph posted the Dear Zachary movie. That was a complete and total travesty of justice. And don't even get me started on Casey Anthony. 

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I know somewhere on this forum Roph posted the Dear Zachary movie. That was a complete and total travesty of justice. And don't even get me started on Casey Anthony. 

Also: http://investigation.discovery.com/women-and-crime/sentencing-women.html

Pretty much.  With enough digging, you can find many instances of women getting off easier.
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I've never seen a woman getting an easier sentence for a crime, but  it really bothers me when women get preference over men in custody cases, especially when the father is obviously better fit for parenthood. That's one of the few things I can think of where women get better treatment. Men are definitely victims of sexism as well, it's just not always as noticeable, which is probably why people don't speak out about it as often.

That last bit is entirely the problem. (that and the cases like those that Jules mentioned)

And then there's people like me.
There's a group within the feminists, I don't know how big they are, but they're big enough to have their own group, and they would tell me to get bent because of how I was born.

All feminism does is encourage a segregated society.

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Or we could always fight fire with fire.

http://www.reddit.com/r/mensrights

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Water puts fire out faster than fire does. Using the same strategy (campaigns? ideas?) just deepens the conflict and continues a pointless battle. I understand the plight of both genders, and the ridiculousness that's been going on for the past few decades, but angering them is simply going to make the fire burn brighter.
it's like a metaphor or something i don't know

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>Unread Posts since your last visit
>This fucking thread again.

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>Unread Posts since your last visit
>This fucking thread again.

Now you're part of the problem :mad:
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> implying that those women didn't apply for their jobs willingly.
> implying men aren't used as a sexual ideal in a similar fashion.

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> implying that the one in the back is a butter face.

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> implying that those women didn't apply for their jobs willingly.

but the filthy pig sexist patriarchy forced womyn to pick these jobs by filling all of the non sexist jobs with sexist pig men
you awoke in a burning paperhouse
from the infinite fields of dreamless sleep

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> implying that those women didn't apply for their jobs willingly.

but the filthy pig sexist patriarchy forced womyn to pick these jobs by filling all of the non sexist jobs with sexist pig men

lol, womyn.

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Crazy men kill millions and commit genocide.

Crazy women spout stupid shit over the internet.

I'll take the women.

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lol @ sword

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I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on that image.

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I'd be okay with it if they removed my frontal lobe first.
it's like a metaphor or something i don't know

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That image looks like a kickstarter page.

$25 tier reward: Custom catstration knife etched with your initials!

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I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on that image.

http://thefemitheist.blogspot.nl/

Honestly, i really really wish it was, though it was written by a teenager which explains the lack of knowledge in the reproductive system of us.

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It's on a blogspot so it must be legit.

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It's on a blogspot so it must be legit.

You could say that about any site.

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Yeah, you could. It'd be totally silly, though. You did it anyway.

I was saying the post actually existing does not mean it's not a joke.

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I never said it was or was not a joke, i was linking it due to the nature of the post, and the blog to prove it wasn't just a one off joke that carried off the back of the most recent increase in feminism.

If this was a discussion about weather or not this person is joking or is truthful, then carry on.

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I don't think NAM's point hinges on whether the image has a source or not. I am about 99.99% positive he's calling bullshit on the content and >implying it's a joke.

Ya tone implies you're taking it serious too, homie. NAM calls bullshit and you link the blog and say 'nah dog, it's for reals.' Want to know how I know you took it for reals? Cos you said this, brother:
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Honestly, i really really wish it was, though it was written by a teenager which explains the lack of knowledge in the reproductive system of us.
Why would ya go and say a thing like that if you thought it was a joke?
Spoiler for:
You wouldn't.

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KABLAMO I'm done talkin' at ya ya chobo

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I made a comment, i assume it was real because of the amount of blog posts made and youtube videos made.

Apparently i assumed something with no evidence what so ever.

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If not a joke, then I'm guessing someone has daddy issues.

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I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on that image.

http://thefemitheist.blogspot.nl/

Honestly, i really really wish it was, though it was written by a teenager which explains the lack of knowledge in the reproductive system of us.


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But aren't females just males with their penises chopped off? I missed that day of 6th grade.

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why is this thread still relevant