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As the title say, I'm going to build a new Gaming PC, with a price tag of 1500€ / 1640$ maximum 1700€ / 1850$.
What I planned to pick up is:

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MSI Z97 GAMING 3 Intel Z97 So.1150 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail                                120,84€ /  $132
2000GB WD Black WD2003FZEX 64MB 3.5" (8.9cm) SATA 6Gb/s                                       126,85€ /  $138
AeroCool XPredator X3 RG Edition Midi Tower without PSU red/gold                                       79,85€ /  $ 87
JunPus JP-D9000 Thermal Compounds 3g                                                                           8,84€ /  $ 10
CoolerMaster Nepton 240M Complete Watercooling                                                              92,27€ / $100
LG Electronics CH12NS30 Blu-ray Combo SATA intern black Bulk                                          49,17€ /  $ 53
650 Watt Thermaltake European Gold Series Paris Modular 80+ Gold                                      82,89€ /  $ 90
Intel Core i7 4790K 4x 4.00GHz So.1150 TRAY                                                               341,09€ /   $371
Microsoft Windows 8.1 32/64 Bit German FPP                                                                      89,85€ /  $ 97
4096MB Inno3D GeForce GTX 970 iChill X4 Air Boss Ultra Activ PCIe 3.0 x16 (Retail)           399,37€ /   $434
2x 8GB G.Skill TridentX DDR3-2400 DIMM CL10 Dual Kit                                                  113,70€ /   $123
EXTRA:
CoolerMaster Storm Octane German USB Black                                                                  36,43€ /    $ 40
Wacom Intuos Manga 147x92 mm USB silver/black                                                            76,62€ /    $ 83
TOTAL:                                                                                                                   1.617,77€ /  $1760

What I'm going to do with the PC is, video editing, RPG Maker, gaming and drawing pictures.
What the PC should be, overclockable and still well cooled and runs every game 1080p 60 FPS max details. ;)
A low TDP would be great too. :)
I hope it's not too much over the top. :D (\s/)
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MSI Z97 GAMING 3 Intel Z97 So.1150 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail                                120,84€ /  $132
Lots of useless ricer stuff to inflate the price. Instead the ASRock Z97 Pro3 is much more sensible. 94.85 instead of 120.


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2000GB WD Black WD2003FZEX 64MB 3.5" (8.9cm) SATA 6Gb/s                                       126,85€ /  $138
I don't even know what to say. You went with a pointless "fast" mechanical hard drive, yet an SSD is absent from your build. So instead, I chose the 256GB Crucial BX100, AND This 2TB Seagate HDD. HDD speed doesn't matter any more, everything is just "good enough" when it comes to mechanical storage nowadays. 156 instead of 126. (keep in mind, even giving you a great SSD on top, I've still saved you money at this point)


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AeroCool XPredator X3 RG Edition Midi Tower without PSU red/gold                                       79,85€ /  $ 87
This case looks gross, like something an 8 year old would fall in love with because he loves iron man. I went with something much more sensible, a Thermaltake Versa H25. 34.45 instead of 79.85.


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JunPus JP-D9000 Thermal Compounds 3g                                                                           8,84€ /  $ 10
Do you just sort lists of products by "most expensive first" and pick the top one, thinking it's automatically better? Tests have shown that "thermal compound" really doesn't matter. Even using toothpaste is just as effective. The only reason to use something specifically designed for a heatsink is so it doesn't smell and is designed to go through countless heat/cooling cycles. I went with Arctic Silver Ceramique simply because it's non-conductive. 2.83 instead of 8.84


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CoolerMaster Nepton 240M Complete Watercooling                                                              92,27€ / $100
So overkill. You don't need giant radiators to dump from a quad core haswell, even if it's healthily overclocked. CoolerMaster Seidon 120V. 44.85 instead of 92.27.


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LG Electronics CH12NS30 Blu-ray Combo SATA intern black Bulk                                          49,17€ /  $ 53
Why do you think you need Blu-Ray? It's a dead format. The discs/writers are priced so stupidly they haven't caught on. If you must have an optical drive, Random samsung DVD-RW. 10.63 instead of 49.17.


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650 Watt Thermaltake European Gold Series Paris Modular 80+ Gold                                      82,89€ /  $ 90
One thing you must realise is that 9/10 companies selling PSUs don't actually make them. Only a handful of companies actually manufacture PSUs, then other companies take them and put their logos on them. Thermaltake doesn't have the best track record. Sometimes using reliable OEM designs, sometimes squeezing out pieces of shit. The absolute top dog in PSU manufacturing is Seasonic. XFX, while not a real manufactuer of PSUs, only uses Seasonic as its OEM. Thus you know that any XFX PSU is great and will outlive the useful life of any system you put it in. XFX 650W Core Edition, 79.69 instead of 82.89. I reluctantly chose 650W to match your 650W selection, but honestly with the CPU/GPU, you don't need 650W. People usually over-estimate how much power they really need. So my final recommendation is the XFX 550W Core Edition. 64.85 instead of 82.89.


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Intel Core i7 4790K 4x 4.00GHz So.1150 TRAY                                                               341,09€ /   $371
If I had 1,700 to spend on a new PC, I... wouldn't spend that 1,700 on a PC. There comes a point where spending more money still gets you some extra performance, but the ratio of money:performance quickly becomes stupid. Intel is an incredibly greedy company and most of their modern CPUs are firmly in this category. But since you seem obsessed with having an i7 instead of an i5, overclocking, and this site pricing the 4790K cheaper than the 4770K for some reason, fine. Intel Core i7 4970K. 341.09. Your money to burn.


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Microsoft Windows 8.1 32/64 Bit German FPP                                                                      89,85€ /  $ 97
Whatever, can't really say anything here. If you can get your hands on a cheaper key then go for it, don't just pay this price simply because you're already using this store. Also remember that you can still upgrade to windows 10 for free from windows 7/8. If you can get a cheap Windows 7 key, you can just upgrade from that. I paid $20 for my Windows 7 key back in the day, and I'm getting windows 10 for free from it.


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4096MB Inno3D GeForce GTX 970 iChill X4 Air Boss Ultra Activ PCIe 3.0 x16 (Retail)           399,37€ /   $434
What does a GTX 970 perform like? Another GTX 970. So here's another GTX 970 that costs over 80 euros less. 314.80 instead of 399.37.


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2x 8GB G.Skill TridentX DDR3-2400 DIMM CL10 Dual Kit                                                  113,70€ /   $123
I don't know why you think you need such fast memory, or why you try to push your memory so hard when it gives you no benefit whatsoever. The only point in chasing ridiculous memory clocks at this point with DDR3 is to show off or compete in loser leaderboards. Video editing/encoding? Your bottleneck is your CPU. Gaming? Your bottleneck is your CPU or GPU, depending on the game. Never, ever is it your RAM. I would have picked DDR3-1600, but this 1866 kit is cheaper. Kingston HyperX 1866Mhz. 89.80 instead of 113.70.


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EXTRA:
CoolerMaster Storm Octane German USB Black                                                                  36,43€ /    $ 40
Wacom Intuos Manga 147x92 mm USB silver/black                                                            76,62€ /    $ 83
I can't be bothered arguing / recommending keyboards etc and I know nothing about Wacom pads, so whatever.

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TOTAL:                                                                                                                   1.617,77€ /  $1760

My total? € 1.357,30. You will get the same or better performance. AND you have an SSD now. Easy links to everything:

http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-KFA2-GeForce-GTX-970-Black-Edition-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_988937.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/250GB-Crucial-BX100-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC--CT250BX100SSD1-_991567.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-Z97-Pro3-Intel-Z97-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_961259.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/16GB-HyperX-FURY-schwarz-DDR3-1866-DIMM-CL10-Dual-Kit_959340.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Thermaltake-Versa-H25-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_986266.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/CoolerMaster-Seidon-120V-Version-2-Komplett-Wasserkuehlung_982823.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Samsung-DVD--R-RW-DL-RAM-SATA-bulk_1003378.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-4x-4-00GHz-So-1150-TRAY_962958.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2000GB-Seagate-Desktop-HDD-ST2000DM001-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_778948.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Microsoft-Windows-8-1-32-64-Bit-Deutsch-FPP_937888.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Arctic-Silver-Ceramique-2-Waermeleitpaste-2-7g_743374.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/550-Watt-XFX-Pro-Core-Edition-Non-Modular-80--Bronze_729911.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/CoolerMaster-Storm-Octane-Deutsch-USB-schwarz_988126.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Wacom-Intuos-Manga-147x92-mm-USB-silber-schwarz_932056.html
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As a note on the tablet, I'd go for something from Monoprice.
They're just as good as Wacom and MUCH cheaper for bigger sizes. Ever since I found them, I got hooked. They even look the same as Wacom.
They even have a Cintiq-like Screen Tablet
http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-19-Inch-Interactive-Display-110707/dp/B00IACES94
Much cheaper, much better.

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2000GB WD Black WD2003FZEX 64MB 3.5" (8.9cm) SATA 6Gb/s                                       126,85€ /  $138
I don't even know what to say. You went with a pointless "fast" mechanical hard drive, yet an SSD is absent from your build. So instead, I chose the 256GB Crucial BX100, AND This 2TB Seagate HDD. HDD speed doesn't matter any more, everything is just "good enough" when it comes to mechanical storage nowadays. 156 instead of 126. (keep in mind, even giving you a great SSD on top, I've still saved you money at this point)

disagreeing here. the WD black series are well worth the extra price. I agree she should still get an SSD but they're damn good, damn reliable HDD's. Wouldn't suggest a seagate over them for a serious build.  That said back ups are still the most important thing for data storage without loss.

otherwise, spot on save the case which is entirely preference and you're being a bit of a dick telling her what she should find cool looking. (now usability of a case as well as build quality and it's ease of cable management for good airflow are way more important and if you called that iron man case out based on those factors that's what you should have tore it apart with.)
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Instead the ASRock Z97 Pro3 is much more sensible. 94.85 instead of 120.
Why I didn't picked the ASRock, was because I have problems with my momentary Mainboard. It keeps rebooting at 60°C CPUTIN (should be the socket). In summer it happens even with open case, without I can't even start up Windows. :/
The CPU only hits 40°C, which is strange. :/

You went with a pointless "fast" mechanical hard drive, yet an SSD is absent from your build. So instead, I chose the 256GB Crucial BX100, AND
That SSD is actually a bit cheaper:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/256GB-Intenso-3812440-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC--3812440-_813115.html
About the HDD I can't say anything bad, because it was actually my first thought because of the really low price, but many complaint about bad lifetime and working speed. :/
I thought the same way, that all HDD are pretty much the same in modern days and only a SSD helps. :)

I went with something much more sensible, a Thermaltake Versa H25. 34.45 instead of 79.85.
I picked it, because it looks fancy to me and has support for 2x140mm cooling on top. :)
Even I need to agree with the iron man look. :'(
So the watercooler attachment will cause no problem. :D

I went with Arctic Silver Ceramique simply because it's non-conductive. 2.83 instead of 8.84
I picked that one because of that:
http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/attachments/633526d1362993222-extreme-roundup-2015-47-waermeleitpasten-im-test-update-lukue.png?s=c9dba0e75ff44869b071b3efa3e60d9f
First I wanted to go with liquid metal thermal compound. ;)
Not necessarly needed, because the Nepton 240M comes up with one. :D

CoolerMaster Seidon 120V. 44.85 instead of 92.27.
I've actually seen, that this watercooler reaches with low speeds only 50° under peak load. That's why I picked it in first, but my first thoughts were:
Enermax Liqmax II 240 Komplett-Wasserkühlung
or that:
LEPA AquaChanger 240 Komplett-Wasserkühlung
Both would be still cheaper. My room temperature is allmost everyday on 30°C in summer, so I'm not sure if a 120mm cooler would be enough.  Guess the case temp should be around 40°C then. :/

Why do you think you need Blu-Ray? Random samsung DVD-RW. 10.63 instead of 49.17.
Mostly because I want to watch Blu-Rays. :D
The only time you need a DVD drive else is to install windows. After you don't need it anymore, because of you download everything. :/

XFX 650W Core Edition, 79.69 instead of 82.89. I reluctantly chose 650W to match your 650W selection, but honestly with the CPU/GPU, you don't need 650W. So my final recommendation is the XFX 550W Core Edition. 64.85 instead of 82.89.
I only was looking for a PSU that is modular and the power calculator said I need 570W, that's why I picked the 600W PSU. But my first thoughts were:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/530-Watt-Thermaltake-Smart-SE-Modular-80-_836865.html
or that:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/600-Watt-Sharkoon-WPM600-Modular-80--Bronze_961966.html
XFX seems to be pretty expensive. I picked "I overclocked my CPU" and picked 1.4V @ 5 GHz, probably I will never get it, because I never found more then 1.425V @ 4,7 GHz for the i5 4690K or i7 4790K. :/

But since you seem obsessed with having an i7 instead of an i5, overclocking, and this site pricing the 4790K cheaper than the 4770K for some reason, fine. Intel Core i7 4970K. 341.09.
My first pick was actually the i5 4690K:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-4x-3-50GHz-So-1150-TRAY_962957.html
But I allways think about, how long will this CPU work for at least 30 FPS?
I don't want to buy new stuff in 2 or 3 years again, that's why I picked the i7 4790K. :D

I paid $20 for my Windows 7 key back in the day, and I'm getting windows 10 for free from it.
I know, seen some on G2A.com, but I don't have a credit card, so no chance for me to get one from there. :/
And in this store all 64 bit versions are around 85€ - 90€ and I know the 1 year the upgrade to Windows 10 is for free. :D

So here's another GTX 970 that costs over 80 euros less. 314.80 instead of 399.37.
Never heard of KFA2 before, that's why I didn't picked it. It would be a 100% better then my old ZOTAC GTX 650 Ti 2GB for sure. :)
My first pick was this one:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-MSI-GeForce-GTX-970-Gaming-4G-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_976948.html
Else I would go for that:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-ZOTAC-GeForce-GTX-970-Dual-Fan-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_977442.html
Because my old Zotac is still running. :)

Kingston HyperX 1866Mhz. 89.80 instead of 113.70.
This was my first pick so far:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/16GB-G-Skill-RipJawsZ-DDR3-1600-DIMM-CL7-Quad-Kit_802983.html
I often readed overclocking RAM doesn't have much use. But actually Crysis Warhead increases from 28 FPS up to 40 FPS same settings. O.o
Raised the clock from 1866 MHz to 1978 MHz. at 2000 MHz the RAM becomes unstable, but increases to 45 FPS. :/
So a lower latency or higher clock doesn't bring much I guess. :/
I probably will go for a cheap 1600 RAM then, don't have money to burn. :D

I can't be bothered arguing / recommending keyboards etc and I know nothing about Wacom pads, so whatever.
I picked that Keyboard because of background light and my old Keyboard and Mouse is dead, so no chance of keeping the old stuff here. :/

My total? € 1.357,30. You will get the same or better performance. AND you have an SSD now. Easy links to everything:
I feared allready to go over the top, thank you for taking your time. What I will take for sure allready is the HDD/SSD combination, the cheaper DVD drive. What I think about is the Mainboard because of bad experience with ASRock and I guess the Seidon 120V is a great choice too, which will allready save me a lot of money, thank you. :D (\s/)


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2000GB WD Black WD2003FZEX 64MB 3.5" (8.9cm) SATA 6Gb/s                                       126,85€ /  $138
I don't even know what to say. You went with a pointless "fast" mechanical hard drive, yet an SSD is absent from your build.

disagreeing here. the WD black series are well worth the extra price. I agree she should still get an SSD but they're damn good, damn reliable HDD's. Wouldn't suggest a seagate over them for a serious build.  That said back ups are still the most important thing for data storage without loss.

otherwise, spot on save the case which is entirely preference and you're being a bit of a dick telling her what she should find cool looking. (now usability of a case as well as build quality and it's ease of cable management for good airflow are way more important and if you called that iron man case out based on those factors that's what you should have tore it apart with.)
Well, but Roph has a point, I can buy the WD Black for 130€ or the SSD, not both. Therefor the budget is a bit tight. :/
I could go for this:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-WD-Black-WD1003FZEX-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_935409.html
and a SSD. ;)

And I don't think he is a jerk, because of disliking the case. Most people I asked thinked it looks terrible, for me personal it was fancy. :D /)

As a note on the tablet, I'd go for something from Monoprice.
They're just as good as Wacom and MUCH cheaper for bigger sizes. Ever since I found them, I got hooked. They even look the same as Wacom.
They even have a Cintiq-like Screen Tablet
http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-19-Inch-Interactive-Display-110707/dp/B00IACES94
Much cheaper, much better.
Sadly those are not available in my store and I don't have a credit card. :/ /)
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Instead the ASRock Z97 Pro3 is much more sensible. 94.85 instead of 120.
Why I didn't picked the ASRock, was because I have problems with my momentary Mainboard. It keeps rebooting at 60°C CPUTIN (should be the socket). In summer it happens even with open case, without I can't even start up Windows. :/
The CPU only hits 40°C, which is strange. :/

That's because you're probably pushing your current board way too hard. The max recommended safe temps for AM3+ bulldozers are ~62C. Your current board has oldschool 4+1 VRMs which werent designed for an FX chip, and a chipset so old the FX didn't even exist until years after it came out.

Second, what? "I have this problem with an Asrock board, therefore all ASRock boards are bad". The board you have is fine, you are using a chip in it that it was not designed for. The (much cheaper but still featured) asrock board I picked is designed for haswells.

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You went with a pointless "fast" mechanical hard drive, yet an SSD is absent from your build. So instead, I chose the 256GB Crucial BX100, AND
That SSD is actually a bit cheaper:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/256GB-Intenso-3812440-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC--3812440-_813115.html
About the HDD I can't say anything bad, because it was actually my first thought because of the really low price, but many complaint about bad lifetime and working speed. :/
I thought the same way, that all HDD are pretty much the same in modern days and only a SSD helps. :)

Who cares about HDD speed, they're all good enough nowadays. Ignore WD blacks. It's like advertising faster tricycles when a real vehicle (SSD) is available. You are paying more for less. And you picked a 1TB WD Black to save money?

When you have your 1TB WD black, you won't end up thinking "Gee, I'm glad this thing copies at 160MB/s instead of 155MB/s", you'll be thinking "bah, I wish I had more than 1TB, this is nearly full". Second, unless you meticulously keep it defragged, any drive's raw throughput will go down the pan in regular use anyway. Just look at capacity.

As for the SSD, it's like PSUs - there are only a handful of companies that actually make the flash chips. Toshiba, Samsung, Micron. Crucial is Micron's consumer name. I've never heard of or seen the one you picked before and can't be bothered to look it up. What flash it has, what controller. Going with a modern crucial or samsung, you know you will be fine and have high performance (where it actually matters).

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I went with something much more sensible, a Thermaltake Versa H25. 34.45 instead of 79.85.
I picked it, because it looks fancy to me and has support for 2x140mm cooling on top. :)
Even I need to agree with the iron man look. :'(
So the watercooler attachment will cause no problem. :D

You say you want to save money, but then still insist on paying over the odds for things you do not need like 240MM radiators. Look at it this way - I keep my 8320 OC'd over 4ghz tamed, dumping out over 140W of heat with an Antec Kuhler 620. You will not be making your 4-core haswell throw out 140W+ of heat. (even ignoring for a second that it's safer to let a haswell go much hotter anyway than an FX).

A 120mm radiator with two good high static pressure fans (coolermaster blademasters are popular) either side is more than enough.

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I went with Arctic Silver Ceramique simply because it's non-conductive. 2.83 instead of 8.84
I picked that one because of that:
http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/attachments/633526d1362993222-extreme-roundup-2015-47-waermeleitpasten-im-test-update-lukue.png?s=c9dba0e75ff44869b071b3efa3e60d9f
First I wanted to go with liquid metal thermal compound. ;)
Not necessarly needed, because the Nepton 240M comes up with one. :D

You seem stuck in your ways, go ahead then. At least on this part it's only a few euros you're wasting.

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CoolerMaster Seidon 120V. 44.85 instead of 92.27.
I've actually seen, that this watercooler reaches with low speeds only 50° under peak load. That's why I picked it in first, but my first thoughts were:
Enermax Liqmax II 240 Komplett-Wasserkühlung
or that:
LEPA AquaChanger 240 Komplett-Wasserkühlung
Both would be still cheaper. My room temperature is allmost everyday on 30°C in summer, so I'm not sure if a 120mm cooler would be enough.  Guess the case temp should be around 40°C then. :/

You keep focusing on the radiator (diameter) size, as if that is a metric of cooling efficiency. There are good 120mm and shit 240mm coolers. It's also important to use good fans on a radiator. Do you want to save money or not? There are also thicker 120mm radiators. Let me remind you that the nearly 300W Radeon Fury X cools itself fine with "only" a 120mm radiator.

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Why do you think you need Blu-Ray? Random samsung DVD-RW. 10.63 instead of 49.17.
Mostly because I want to watch Blu-Rays. :D
The only time you need a DVD drive else is to install windows. After you don't need it anymore, because of you download everything. :/

You actually buy physical bluray discs? Why not just download? No DRM, as a bonus. whether you go legally or take the torrent option, both superior. I'd say a new PC is a good time to switch to digital media and leave overpriced physical discs behind.

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XFX 650W Core Edition, 79.69 instead of 82.89. I reluctantly chose 650W to match your 650W selection, but honestly with the CPU/GPU, you don't need 650W. So my final recommendation is the XFX 550W Core Edition. 64.85 instead of 82.89.
I only was looking for a PSU that is modular and the power calculator said I need 570W, that's why I picked the 600W PSU. But my first thoughts were:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/530-Watt-Thermaltake-Smart-SE-Modular-80-_836865.html
or that:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/600-Watt-Sharkoon-WPM600-Modular-80--Bronze_961966.html
XFX seems to be pretty expensive. I picked "I overclocked my CPU" and picked 1.4V @ 5 GHz, probably I will never get it, because I never found more then 1.425V @ 4,7 GHz for the i5 4690K or i7 4790K. :/

Even the 650W seasonic-built XFX PSU I picked was cheaper than yours. I linked both. I consider modular a gimmick. It's not hard to put a cable you're not using somewhere else. The case I chose has plenty of room for it.

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But since you seem obsessed with having an i7 instead of an i5, overclocking, and this site pricing the 4790K cheaper than the 4770K for some reason, fine. Intel Core i7 4970K. 341.09.
My first pick was actually the i5 4690K:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-4x-3-50GHz-So-1150-TRAY_962957.html
But I allways think about, how long will this CPU work for at least 30 FPS?
I don't want to buy new stuff in 2 or 3 years again, that's why I picked the i7 4790K. :D

An i7 and i5 are literally the same chip. The i5 just has hyperthreading disabled. HT makes barely any difference in current games. It may change as games hopefully become more threaded, helped by the new 8-core consoles. My objection to the i7 is simply the insulting price that intel charges for it.

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So here's another GTX 970 that costs over 80 euros less. 314.80 instead of 399.37.
Never heard of KFA2 before, that's why I didn't picked it. It would be a 100% better then my old ZOTAC GTX 650 Ti 2GB for sure. :)
My first pick was this one:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-MSI-GeForce-GTX-970-Gaming-4G-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_976948.html
Else I would go for that:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-ZOTAC-GeForce-GTX-970-Dual-Fan-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_977442.html
Because my old Zotac is still running. :)

A GTX 970 is a GTX 970. None of these companies make the GPU, nvidia sells them the chip. Most of them don't even make the board it's on either, it's made by a mass-manufacturer and they simply put their sticker on it. The KFA looks like a reference design, so it will be fine. Blowing 80+ euros more on a 970 than you need to is silly, you may as well buy a 980 instead.

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Kingston HyperX 1866Mhz. 89.80 instead of 113.70.
This was my first pick so far:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/16GB-G-Skill-RipJawsZ-DDR3-1600-DIMM-CL7-Quad-Kit_802983.html
I often readed overclocking RAM doesn't have much use. But actually Crysis Warhead increases from 28 FPS up to 40 FPS same settings. O.o
Raised the clock from 1866 MHz to 1978 MHz. at 2000 MHz the RAM becomes unstable, but increases to 45 FPS. :/
So a lower latency or higher clock doesn't bring much I guess. :/
I probably will go for a cheap 1600 RAM then, don't have money to burn. :D

Your warhead numbers are wrong, measured wrong, are from some messed up margin of error, or are due to some other factor (fresh reboot after changing memory clocks for example). A lot of the stuff you say about RAM affecting game performance sounds outdated. Back in the Core2 Duo days and earlier where the IMC was on the northbridge and we had DDR1/2 yes, memory could be a potential bottleneck (still rare and to a limited degree). With integrated controllers having direct lines to DDR3 past 1333mhz, nope. I would just buy the 1866mhz kit I linked; it was cheaper than any 1600mhz 2x8GB kit I saw on that site.

Ram capacity is another matter. But I can't be bothered making points for 8 v s 16GB.

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I feared allready to go over the top, thank you for taking your time. What I will take for sure allready is the HDD/SSD combination, the cheaper DVD drive. What I think about is the Mainboard because of bad experience with ASRock and I guess the Seidon 120V is a great choice too, which will allready save me a lot of money, thank you. :D (\s/)

Your ASRock board is fine - for what it was designed for. You're running a chip in it that didn't exist when the board was made. On a chipset not designed for your chip. With VRMs not designed to handle your CPU's power draw. The fault is yours, not the motherboard. The Asrock Z97 I linked is fine, and still has the important features. (Tip, if stuff is advertised as "super l33t gaming", you are being ripped off).


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Well, but Roph has a point, I can buy the WD Black for 130€ or the SSD, not both. Therefor the budget is a bit tight. :/
I could go for this:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-WD-Black-WD1003FZEX-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_935409.html
and a SSD. ;)

Dropping to a 1TB black from a 2TB black was probably the silliest thing you could have done. Remove "WD Black" and just look at capacities. You won't be hurting for a minutely higher transfer speed or response time (still orders of magnitude away from your SSD), you'll be hurting for more disk space. If you have a hate-boner for seagate, then a WD green will do you fine.

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And I don't think he is a jerk, because of disliking the case. Most people I asked thinked it looks terrible, for me personal it was fancy. :D /)

Your case does look terrible, but it's also overpriced. You keep mentioning budget, but then pick superfluous expensive parts.
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Second, what? "I have this problem with an Asrock board, therefore all ASRock boards are bad". The board you have is fine, you are using a chip in it that it was not designed for. The (much cheaper but still featured) asrock board I picked is designed for haswells.

I can't say ASRock is bad, because the first board I had was an ASRock too, with an AMD 6000+, and it worked without errors for 10 years. :D
But in short terms, every z97 board is fine here too. :)
Actually my first pick was an ASRock:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-Z97-Anniversary-Edition-Intel-Z97-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Re_967259.html
Second was MSI:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/MSI-Z97-PC-Mate-Intel-Z97-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_961290.html

When you have your 1TB WD black, you won't end up thinking "Gee, I'm glad this thing copies at 160MB/s instead of 155MB/s", you'll be thinking "bah, I wish I had more than 1TB, this is nearly full".
Going with a modern crucial or samsung, you know you will be fine and have high performance (where it actually matters).

I actually only have 300GB at the moment HDD, so even 1 TB would be a huge improve. :D
But I get the point, there are no differences in HDD, but on SSD there is. ;)

You will not be making your 4-core haswell throw out 140W+ of heat. (even ignoring for a second that it's safer to let a haswell go much hotter anyway than an FX).
A 120mm radiator with two good high static pressure fans (coolermaster blademasters are popular) either side is more than enough.

My question there was, if I could reach a clock around 4,7 GHz @ 1.4V, which will result in 165W allready on an i5 4690K. :/
Source:
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
But Probably yes, because FX 8320 is allready 125W in base clock. :/

You seem stuck in your ways, go ahead then. At least on this part it's only a few euros you're wasting.

No, because as I said, the cooler comes up with thermal compounds, so I could probably spare that totally.
I guess only liquid metal makes a huge difference. :/

You keep focusing on the radiator (diameter) size, as if that is a metric of cooling efficiency. There are good 120mm and shit 240mm coolers. It's also important to use good fans on a radiator. Do you want to save money or not?

Yes I want too, but first time I was too greedy and paid the price. :/
If I would go with online stats, I would buy a Corsair. But they look even for me way too overpriced. ;)

You actually buy physical bluray discs? Why not just download? No DRM, as a bonus. whether you go legally or take the torrent option, both superior. I'd say a new PC is a good time to switch to digital media and leave overpriced physical discs behind.

There I can agree, because if I look at the past I bought all on iTunes...
And the Blu Rays I allready have, I can watch on PS3, PS4 or One. :D

Even the 650W seasonic-built XFX PSU I picked was cheaper than yours. I linked both. I consider modular a gimmick. It's not hard to put a cable you're not using somewhere else. The case I chose has plenty of room for it.

I know, I have a non-modular at the moment, but nearly dead. Often need to reboot 10 times, till it starts again. :/

An i7 and i5 are literally the same chip. The i5 just has hyperthreading disabled. HT makes barely any difference in current games.

I know, HT only increases some programms, like 7zip, video editing. In games it is only 1 or 2 FPS. But after both are running 60 FPS, guess that doesn't matter. :D
But I was allways thinking myself, is 1 or 2 FPS really worth 100€+?
No, I guess. I don't think video editing get's a huge enough performance boost with HT. The next thing is, you can't overclock much with HT active. :/

Blowing 80+ euros more on a 970 than you need to is silly, you may as well buy a 980 instead.

I thought so too, but even I compare the 400€ GPU with a 480€ it's still allmost 80€ more. :/
MSI Gaming is 360€ vx 480€, but I will think about that. :D

Your warhead numbers are wrong, measured wrong, are from some messed up margin of error, or are due to some other factor (fresh reboot after changing memory clocks for example).
Ram capacity is another matter. But I can't be bothered making points for 8 v s 16GB.

Actually both were fresh reboots and both recorded with ShadowPlay. 1080p max settings 16x AF, 4x AA.
Actually Windows runs a bit faster too and it kills the lags in paint.net.
To convert a 1080p, 50 MB/s video, 512 KB/s Audio with 1 hour length takes only 40 minutes instead of 1 hour+. ;)
The Video was converted down to 1080p, 6 MB/s video, 320 KB/s audio.
Actually most things are 8 GB RAM enough, but in "Wolfenstein The New Order" I allready reached 10 GB/8GB. O.o

The fault is yours, not the motherboard. The Asrock Z97 I linked is fine, and still has the important features. (Tip, if stuff is advertised as "super l33t gaming", you are being ripped off).

That I sadly know... :'(
But I readed after ordering, that my board was only made for 95W CPU's not 125W, but there it was too late. :/
With the RAM I never had any issues. Only the socket overheats, but I have a crappy 10€ CPU Fan on it. :'(

If you have a hate-boner for seagate, then a WD green will do you fine.
Your case does look terrible, but it's also overpriced. You keep mentioning budget, but then pick superfluous expensive parts.
I actually don't care about brands, these are only names. I care for stability and how long it lives. ;)
The only thing I wouldn't change for sure, is the fancy case. Of course there are cheaper ones. But often cheap cases have bad airflow. :/
I have an old LC Power case at the moment, that came up with a LC Power LC6550 Version 2.0 PSU.
But I allways had overheating problems, even with the old AMD6000+ which was made by a professional. ;)
I needed to let the case open, so it doesn't overheat. :(

If it matters, that's my actual rig: (\s/)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4akh5ySzEN2N1RCMlFYcWQtVmM

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