MSI Z97 GAMING 3 Intel Z97 So.1150 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail 120,84€ / $132Lots of useless ricer stuff to inflate the price. Instead the ASRock Z97 Pro3 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-Z97-Pro3-Intel-Z97-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_961259.html) is much more sensible. 94.85 instead of 120.
2000GB WD Black WD2003FZEX 64MB 3.5" (8.9cm) SATA 6Gb/s 126,85€ / $138I don't even know what to say. You went with a pointless "fast" mechanical hard drive, yet an SSD is absent from your build. So instead, I chose the 256GB Crucial BX100 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/250GB-Crucial-BX100-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC--CT250BX100SSD1-_991567.html), AND This 2TB Seagate HDD (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2000GB-Seagate-Desktop-HDD-ST2000DM001-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_778948.html). HDD speed doesn't matter any more, everything is just "good enough" when it comes to mechanical storage nowadays. 156 instead of 126. (keep in mind, even giving you a great SSD on top, I've still saved you money at this point)
AeroCool XPredator X3 RG Edition Midi Tower without PSU red/gold 79,85€ / $ 87This case looks gross (https://i.imgur.com/GwreziE.png), like something an 8 year old would fall in love with because he loves iron man. I went with something much more sensible, a Thermaltake Versa H25 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Thermaltake-Versa-H25-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_986266.html). 34.45 instead of 79.85.
JunPus JP-D9000 Thermal Compounds 3g 8,84€ / $ 10Do you just sort lists of products by "most expensive first" and pick the top one, thinking it's automatically better? Tests have shown that "thermal compound" really doesn't matter. Even using toothpaste is just as effective. The only reason to use something specifically designed for a heatsink is so it doesn't smell and is designed to go through countless heat/cooling cycles. I went with Arctic Silver Ceramique (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Arctic-Silver-Ceramique-2-Waermeleitpaste-2-7g_743374.html) simply because it's non-conductive. 2.83 instead of 8.84
CoolerMaster Nepton 240M Complete Watercooling 92,27€ / $100So overkill. You don't need giant radiators to dump from a quad core haswell, even if it's healthily overclocked. CoolerMaster Seidon 120V (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/CoolerMaster-Seidon-120V-Version-2-Komplett-Wasserkuehlung_982823.html). 44.85 instead of 92.27.
LG Electronics CH12NS30 Blu-ray Combo SATA intern black Bulk 49,17€ / $ 53Why do you think you need Blu-Ray? It's a dead format. The discs/writers are priced so stupidly they haven't caught on. If you must have an optical drive, Random samsung DVD-RW (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Samsung-DVD--R-RW-DL-RAM-SATA-bulk_1003378.html). 10.63 instead of 49.17.
650 Watt Thermaltake European Gold Series Paris Modular 80+ Gold 82,89€ / $ 90One thing you must realise is that 9/10 companies selling PSUs don't actually make them. Only a handful of companies actually manufacture PSUs, then other companies take them and put their logos on them. Thermaltake doesn't have the best track record. Sometimes using reliable OEM designs, sometimes squeezing out pieces of shit. The absolute top dog in PSU manufacturing is Seasonic. XFX, while not a real manufactuer of PSUs, only uses Seasonic as its OEM. Thus you know that any XFX PSU is great and will outlive the useful life of any system you put it in. XFX 650W Core Edition (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/650-Watt-XFX-Pro-Core-Edition-Non-Modular-80--Bronze_681498.html), 79.69 instead of 82.89. I reluctantly chose 650W to match your 650W selection, but honestly with the CPU/GPU, you don't need 650W. People usually over-estimate how much power they really need. So my final recommendation is the XFX 550W Core Edition (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/550-Watt-XFX-Pro-Core-Edition-Non-Modular-80--Bronze_729911.html). 64.85 instead of 82.89.
Intel Core i7 4790K 4x 4.00GHz So.1150 TRAY 341,09€ / $371If I had 1,700 to spend on a new PC, I... wouldn't spend that 1,700 on a PC. There comes a point where spending more money still gets you some extra performance, but the ratio of money:performance quickly becomes stupid. Intel is an incredibly greedy company and most of their modern CPUs are firmly in this category. But since you seem obsessed with having an i7 instead of an i5, overclocking, and this site pricing the 4790K cheaper than the 4770K for some reason, fine. Intel Core i7 4970K (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-4x-4-00GHz-So-1150-TRAY_962958.html). 341.09. Your money to burn.
Microsoft Windows 8.1 32/64 Bit German FPP 89,85€ / $ 97Whatever, can't really say anything here. If you can get your hands on a cheaper key then go for it, don't just pay this price simply because you're already using this store. Also remember that you can still upgrade to windows 10 for free from windows 7/8. If you can get a cheap Windows 7 key, you can just upgrade from that. I paid $20 for my Windows 7 key back in the day, and I'm getting windows 10 for free from it.
4096MB Inno3D GeForce GTX 970 iChill X4 Air Boss Ultra Activ PCIe 3.0 x16 (Retail) 399,37€ / $434What does a GTX 970 perform like? Another GTX 970. So here's another GTX 970 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-KFA2-GeForce-GTX-970-Black-Edition-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_988937.html) that costs over 80 euros less. 314.80 instead of 399.37.
2x 8GB G.Skill TridentX DDR3-2400 DIMM CL10 Dual Kit 113,70€ / $123I don't know why you think you need such fast memory, or why you try to push your memory so hard when it gives you no benefit whatsoever. The only point in chasing ridiculous memory clocks at this point with DDR3 is to show off or compete in loser leaderboards. Video editing/encoding? Your bottleneck is your CPU. Gaming? Your bottleneck is your CPU or GPU, depending on the game. Never, ever is it your RAM. I would have picked DDR3-1600, but this 1866 kit is cheaper. Kingston HyperX 1866Mhz (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/16GB-HyperX-FURY-schwarz-DDR3-1866-DIMM-CL10-Dual-Kit_959340.html). 89.80 instead of 113.70.
EXTRA:I can't be bothered arguing / recommending keyboards etc and I know nothing about Wacom pads, so whatever.
CoolerMaster Storm Octane German USB Black 36,43€ / $ 40
Wacom Intuos Manga 147x92 mm USB silver/black 76,62€ / $ 83
TOTAL: 1.617,77€ / $1760
disagreeing here. the WD black series are well worth the extra price. I agree she should still get an SSD but they're damn good, damn reliable HDD's. Wouldn't suggest a seagate over them for a serious build. That said back ups are still the most important thing for data storage without loss.Quote2000GB WD Black WD2003FZEX 64MB 3.5" (8.9cm) SATA 6Gb/s 126,85€ / $138I don't even know what to say. You went with a pointless "fast" mechanical hard drive, yet an SSD is absent from your build. So instead, I chose the 256GB Crucial BX100 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/250GB-Crucial-BX100-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC--CT250BX100SSD1-_991567.html), AND This 2TB Seagate HDD (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2000GB-Seagate-Desktop-HDD-ST2000DM001-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_778948.html). HDD speed doesn't matter any more, everything is just "good enough" when it comes to mechanical storage nowadays. 156 instead of 126. (keep in mind, even giving you a great SSD on top, I've still saved you money at this point)
Instead the ASRock Z97 Pro3 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-Z97-Pro3-Intel-Z97-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_961259.html) is much more sensible. 94.85 instead of 120.Why I didn't picked the ASRock, was because I have problems with my momentary Mainboard. It keeps rebooting at 60°C CPUTIN (should be the socket). In summer it happens even with open case, without I can't even start up Windows. :/
You went with a pointless "fast" mechanical hard drive, yet an SSD is absent from your build. So instead, I chose the 256GB Crucial BX100 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/250GB-Crucial-BX100-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC--CT250BX100SSD1-_991567.html), ANDThat SSD is actually a bit cheaper:
(http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2000GB-Seagate-Desktop-HDD-ST2000DM001-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_778948.html)
I went with something much more sensible, a Thermaltake Versa H25 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Thermaltake-Versa-H25-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_986266.html). 34.45 instead of 79.85.I picked it, because it looks fancy to me and has support for 2x140mm cooling on top. :)
I went with Arctic Silver Ceramique (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Arctic-Silver-Ceramique-2-Waermeleitpaste-2-7g_743374.html) simply because it's non-conductive. 2.83 instead of 8.84I picked that one because of that:
CoolerMaster Seidon 120V (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/CoolerMaster-Seidon-120V-Version-2-Komplett-Wasserkuehlung_982823.html). 44.85 instead of 92.27.I've actually seen, that this watercooler reaches with low speeds only 50° under peak load. That's why I picked it in first, but my first thoughts were:
Why do you think you need Blu-Ray? Random samsung DVD-RW (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Samsung-DVD--R-RW-DL-RAM-SATA-bulk_1003378.html). 10.63 instead of 49.17.Mostly because I want to watch Blu-Rays. :D
XFX 650W Core Edition (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/650-Watt-XFX-Pro-Core-Edition-Non-Modular-80--Bronze_681498.html), 79.69 instead of 82.89. I reluctantly chose 650W to match your 650W selection, but honestly with the CPU/GPU, you don't need 650W. So my final recommendation is the XFX 550W Core Edition (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/550-Watt-XFX-Pro-Core-Edition-Non-Modular-80--Bronze_729911.html). 64.85 instead of 82.89.I only was looking for a PSU that is modular and the power calculator said I need 570W, that's why I picked the 600W PSU. But my first thoughts were:
But since you seem obsessed with having an i7 instead of an i5, overclocking, and this site pricing the 4790K cheaper than the 4770K for some reason, fine. Intel Core i7 4970K (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-4x-4-00GHz-So-1150-TRAY_962958.html). 341.09.My first pick was actually the i5 4690K:
I paid $20 for my Windows 7 key back in the day, and I'm getting windows 10 for free from it.I know, seen some on G2A.com, but I don't have a credit card, so no chance for me to get one from there. :/
So here's another GTX 970 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-KFA2-GeForce-GTX-970-Black-Edition-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_988937.html) that costs over 80 euros less. 314.80 instead of 399.37.Never heard of KFA2 before, that's why I didn't picked it. It would be a 100% better then my old ZOTAC GTX 650 Ti 2GB for sure. :)
Kingston HyperX 1866Mhz (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/16GB-HyperX-FURY-schwarz-DDR3-1866-DIMM-CL10-Dual-Kit_959340.html). 89.80 instead of 113.70.This was my first pick so far:
I can't be bothered arguing / recommending keyboards etc and I know nothing about Wacom pads, so whatever.I picked that Keyboard because of background light and my old Keyboard and Mouse is dead, so no chance of keeping the old stuff here. :/
My total? € 1.357,30. You will get the same or better performance. AND you have an SSD now. Easy links to everything:I feared allready to go over the top, thank you for taking your time. What I will take for sure allready is the HDD/SSD combination, the cheaper DVD drive. What I think about is the Mainboard because of bad experience with ASRock and I guess the Seidon 120V is a great choice too, which will allready save me a lot of money, thank you. :D (\s/)
Well, but Roph has a point, I can buy the WD Black for 130€ or the SSD, not both. Therefor the budget is a bit tight. :/disagreeing here. the WD black series are well worth the extra price. I agree she should still get an SSD but they're damn good, damn reliable HDD's. Wouldn't suggest a seagate over them for a serious build. That said back ups are still the most important thing for data storage without loss.Quote2000GB WD Black WD2003FZEX 64MB 3.5" (8.9cm) SATA 6Gb/s 126,85€ / $138I don't even know what to say. You went with a pointless "fast" mechanical hard drive, yet an SSD is absent from your build.
otherwise, spot on save the case which is entirely preference and you're being a bit of a dick telling her what she should find cool looking. (now usability of a case as well as build quality and it's ease of cable management for good airflow are way more important and if you called that iron man case out based on those factors that's what you should have tore it apart with.)
As a note on the tablet, I'd go for something from Monoprice (http://www.monoprice.com/).Sadly those are not available in my store and I don't have a credit card. :/ /)
They're just as good as Wacom and MUCH cheaper for bigger sizes. Ever since I found them, I got hooked. They even look the same as Wacom.
They even have a Cintiq-like Screen Tablet
http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-19-Inch-Interactive-Display-110707/dp/B00IACES94
Much cheaper, much better.
Instead the ASRock Z97 Pro3 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-Z97-Pro3-Intel-Z97-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_961259.html) is much more sensible. 94.85 instead of 120.Why I didn't picked the ASRock, was because I have problems with my momentary Mainboard. It keeps rebooting at 60°C CPUTIN (should be the socket). In summer it happens even with open case, without I can't even start up Windows. :/
The CPU only hits 40°C, which is strange. :/
You went with a pointless "fast" mechanical hard drive, yet an SSD is absent from your build. So instead, I chose the 256GB Crucial BX100 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/250GB-Crucial-BX100-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC--CT250BX100SSD1-_991567.html), ANDThat SSD is actually a bit cheaper:
(http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2000GB-Seagate-Desktop-HDD-ST2000DM001-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_778948.html)
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/256GB-Intenso-3812440-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC--3812440-_813115.html
About the HDD I can't say anything bad, because it was actually my first thought because of the really low price, but many complaint about bad lifetime and working speed. :/
I thought the same way, that all HDD are pretty much the same in modern days and only a SSD helps. :)
I went with something much more sensible, a Thermaltake Versa H25 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Thermaltake-Versa-H25-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_986266.html). 34.45 instead of 79.85.I picked it, because it looks fancy to me and has support for 2x140mm cooling on top. :)
Even I need to agree with the iron man look. :'(
So the watercooler attachment will cause no problem. :D
I went with Arctic Silver Ceramique (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Arctic-Silver-Ceramique-2-Waermeleitpaste-2-7g_743374.html) simply because it's non-conductive. 2.83 instead of 8.84I picked that one because of that:
http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/attachments/633526d1362993222-extreme-roundup-2015-47-waermeleitpasten-im-test-update-lukue.png?s=c9dba0e75ff44869b071b3efa3e60d9f
First I wanted to go with liquid metal thermal compound. ;)
Not necessarly needed, because the Nepton 240M comes up with one. :D
CoolerMaster Seidon 120V (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/CoolerMaster-Seidon-120V-Version-2-Komplett-Wasserkuehlung_982823.html). 44.85 instead of 92.27.I've actually seen, that this watercooler reaches with low speeds only 50° under peak load. That's why I picked it in first, but my first thoughts were:
Enermax Liqmax II 240 Komplett-Wasserkühlung
or that:
LEPA AquaChanger 240 Komplett-Wasserkühlung
Both would be still cheaper. My room temperature is allmost everyday on 30°C in summer, so I'm not sure if a 120mm cooler would be enough. Guess the case temp should be around 40°C then. :/
Why do you think you need Blu-Ray? Random samsung DVD-RW (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Samsung-DVD--R-RW-DL-RAM-SATA-bulk_1003378.html). 10.63 instead of 49.17.Mostly because I want to watch Blu-Rays. :D
The only time you need a DVD drive else is to install windows. After you don't need it anymore, because of you download everything. :/
XFX 650W Core Edition (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/650-Watt-XFX-Pro-Core-Edition-Non-Modular-80--Bronze_681498.html), 79.69 instead of 82.89. I reluctantly chose 650W to match your 650W selection, but honestly with the CPU/GPU, you don't need 650W. So my final recommendation is the XFX 550W Core Edition (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/550-Watt-XFX-Pro-Core-Edition-Non-Modular-80--Bronze_729911.html). 64.85 instead of 82.89.I only was looking for a PSU that is modular and the power calculator said I need 570W, that's why I picked the 600W PSU. But my first thoughts were:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/530-Watt-Thermaltake-Smart-SE-Modular-80-_836865.html
or that:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/600-Watt-Sharkoon-WPM600-Modular-80--Bronze_961966.html
XFX seems to be pretty expensive. I picked "I overclocked my CPU" and picked 1.4V @ 5 GHz, probably I will never get it, because I never found more then 1.425V @ 4,7 GHz for the i5 4690K or i7 4790K. :/
But since you seem obsessed with having an i7 instead of an i5, overclocking, and this site pricing the 4790K cheaper than the 4770K for some reason, fine. Intel Core i7 4970K (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-4x-4-00GHz-So-1150-TRAY_962958.html). 341.09.My first pick was actually the i5 4690K:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-4x-3-50GHz-So-1150-TRAY_962957.html
But I allways think about, how long will this CPU work for at least 30 FPS?
I don't want to buy new stuff in 2 or 3 years again, that's why I picked the i7 4790K. :D
So here's another GTX 970 (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-KFA2-GeForce-GTX-970-Black-Edition-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_988937.html) that costs over 80 euros less. 314.80 instead of 399.37.Never heard of KFA2 before, that's why I didn't picked it. It would be a 100% better then my old ZOTAC GTX 650 Ti 2GB for sure. :)
My first pick was this one:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-MSI-GeForce-GTX-970-Gaming-4G-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_976948.html
Else I would go for that:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-ZOTAC-GeForce-GTX-970-Dual-Fan-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_977442.html
Because my old Zotac is still running. :)
Kingston HyperX 1866Mhz (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/16GB-HyperX-FURY-schwarz-DDR3-1866-DIMM-CL10-Dual-Kit_959340.html). 89.80 instead of 113.70.This was my first pick so far:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/16GB-G-Skill-RipJawsZ-DDR3-1600-DIMM-CL7-Quad-Kit_802983.html
I often readed overclocking RAM doesn't have much use. But actually Crysis Warhead increases from 28 FPS up to 40 FPS same settings. O.o
Raised the clock from 1866 MHz to 1978 MHz. at 2000 MHz the RAM becomes unstable, but increases to 45 FPS. :/
So a lower latency or higher clock doesn't bring much I guess. :/
I probably will go for a cheap 1600 RAM then, don't have money to burn. :D
I feared allready to go over the top, thank you for taking your time. What I will take for sure allready is the HDD/SSD combination, the cheaper DVD drive. What I think about is the Mainboard because of bad experience with ASRock and I guess the Seidon 120V is a great choice too, which will allready save me a lot of money, thank you. :D (\s/)
Well, but Roph has a point, I can buy the WD Black for 130€ or the SSD, not both. Therefor the budget is a bit tight. :/
I could go for this:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-WD-Black-WD1003FZEX-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_935409.html
and a SSD. ;)
And I don't think he is a jerk, because of disliking the case. Most people I asked thinked it looks terrible, for me personal it was fancy. :D /)
Second, what? "I have this problem with an Asrock board, therefore all ASRock boards are bad". The board you have is fine, you are using a chip in it that it was not designed for. The (much cheaper but still featured) asrock board I picked is designed for haswells.
When you have your 1TB WD black, you won't end up thinking "Gee, I'm glad this thing copies at 160MB/s instead of 155MB/s", you'll be thinking "bah, I wish I had more than 1TB, this is nearly full".
Going with a modern crucial or samsung, you know you will be fine and have high performance (where it actually matters).
You will not be making your 4-core haswell throw out 140W+ of heat. (even ignoring for a second that it's safer to let a haswell go much hotter anyway than an FX).
A 120mm radiator with two good high static pressure fans (coolermaster blademasters are popular) either side is more than enough.
You seem stuck in your ways, go ahead then. At least on this part it's only a few euros you're wasting.
You keep focusing on the radiator (diameter) size, as if that is a metric of cooling efficiency. There are good 120mm and shit 240mm coolers. It's also important to use good fans on a radiator. Do you want to save money or not?
You actually buy physical bluray discs? Why not just download? No DRM, as a bonus. whether you go legally or take the torrent option, both superior. I'd say a new PC is a good time to switch to digital media and leave overpriced physical discs behind.
Even the 650W seasonic-built XFX PSU I picked was cheaper than yours. I linked both. I consider modular a gimmick. It's not hard to put a cable you're not using somewhere else. The case I chose has plenty of room for it.
An i7 and i5 are literally the same chip. The i5 just has hyperthreading disabled. HT makes barely any difference in current games.
Blowing 80+ euros more on a 970 than you need to is silly, you may as well buy a 980 instead.
Your warhead numbers are wrong, measured wrong, are from some messed up margin of error, or are due to some other factor (fresh reboot after changing memory clocks for example).
Ram capacity is another matter. But I can't be bothered making points for 8 v s 16GB.
The fault is yours, not the motherboard. The Asrock Z97 I linked is fine, and still has the important features. (Tip, if stuff is advertised as "super l33t gaming", you are being ripped off).
If you have a hate-boner for seagate, then a WD green will do you fine.I actually don't care about brands, these are only names. I care for stability and how long it lives. ;)
Your case does look terrible, but it's also overpriced. You keep mentioning budget, but then pick superfluous expensive parts.