Michael Moore's Speech In Wisconsin - America Is NOT Broke

Roph · March 06, 2011, 03:58:29 PM

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgNuSEZ8CDw[/yt]

Arrow · March 06, 2011, 06:16:50 PM

Dear lord, thirty minutes? I don't wanna spend half an hour listening to that anarchist cow, can we get a summary? My connection won't even load a third of that thing unless I sit here for an hour.

Gracie · March 06, 2011, 06:35:06 PM

I can't can't be bothered to watch this, I've seen enough of things about him to know hes a tool >.>

strike · March 06, 2011, 06:51:08 PM

initially i thought it'd be horrible but for once he makes some good points. i've gained a little respect for moore today. he's still a douchebag though.

he's basically saying the upper class are hording all the money. totally fucking true.
"400 upper class americans have more money than 155 million combined" is one of his stats (probably actually true in this case)

he's saying the rich are extorting the rest of the US. and that it needs to stop. (albiet in his general crazy manner. but it's true)

Holkeye · March 06, 2011, 09:03:55 PM

You know how there are anglophiles? Roph is an americanophile.

mouse · March 11, 2011, 10:23:49 PM

such a monstrocity surely does not exist

EvilM00s · March 12, 2011, 04:30:56 PM

Tool? How do you figure? All I'm aware of him doing is exposing a lot of things that people with a bunch of money and power don't want you to know because it threatens their money and power. If I am wrong please tell me why.

firerain · March 12, 2011, 04:48:48 PM

Quote from: Gracie the Bitey on March 06, 2011, 06:35:06 PM
I can't can't be bothered to watch this, I've seen enough of things about him to know hes a tool >.>

ahahah

hahahaa

oh wow. really? get out.

Holkeye · March 12, 2011, 04:51:44 PM

He's half a tool. While his generalities are pretty reliable, his sources and facts are dubious at best.

firerain · March 12, 2011, 04:59:10 PM

While that could be argued, from what I've seen and researched myself, most of his sources and facts come from pretty legitimate organizations and establishments.

Arrow · March 12, 2011, 05:04:50 PM

If he's anything like he was in Fahrenheit 911 (And I agreed with many of the points he was awkwardly trying to make in that film), he is a tool, he's so biased and swung to one side it's despicable.

firerain · March 12, 2011, 05:06:23 PM

Quote from: Arrow-1 on March 12, 2011, 05:04:50 PM
If he's anything like he was in Fahrenheit 911 (And I agreed with many of the points he was awkwardly trying to make in that film), he is a tool, he's so biased and swung to one side it's despicable.

How is anyone supposed to be critical of both sides when the Republicunts make the Democrats look so good?

Arrow · March 12, 2011, 05:16:51 PM

Or when people bait with terms like "Republicunts"?

Holkeye · March 12, 2011, 05:20:49 PM

Our forum is so great. We Americans don't have to worry about anything, because the members from the rest of the world will tell us how we should be.

firerain · March 12, 2011, 06:06:52 PM

Quote from: Arrow-1 on March 12, 2011, 05:16:51 PM
Or when people bait with terms like "Republicunts"?

see: http://rmrk.net/index.php/topic,42060.0.html

Arrow · March 12, 2011, 06:19:34 PM

That is an asshole, who happens to be a republican, yes. His being a republican has little to do with it, I would say. He'd probably attempt to make the same move if he were democrat, but the thing is that people who vote democrat don't allow that sort of thing. Democrats and Republicans are both pandering politicians. Blame the voters for supporting that sort of behavior. The politicians themselves will do as they wish, either way. Taking an alignment is just a way to pave a path into office.

Sophist · March 12, 2011, 06:45:07 PM

Quote from: Goolkeye on March 12, 2011, 05:20:49 PM
Our forum is so great. We Americans don't have to worry about anything, because the members from the rest of the world will tell us how we should be.

firerain · March 12, 2011, 06:47:32 PM

Quote from: Goolkeye on March 12, 2011, 05:20:49 PM
Our forum is so great. We Americans don't have to worry about anything, because the members from the rest of the world will tell us how we should be.

No one in this thread has told you how your nation and the population "should" be. We're pointing out the flaws that your nation, like every nation, has.

strike · March 12, 2011, 06:53:10 PM

Agreed arrow

Holkeye · March 12, 2011, 07:23:30 PM

Quote from: Firerain on March 12, 2011, 06:47:32 PM
Quote from: Goolkeye on March 12, 2011, 05:20:49 PM
Our forum is so great. We Americans don't have to worry about anything, because the members from the rest of the world will tell us how we should be.
No one in this thread has told you how your nation and the population "should" be. We're pointing out the flaws that your nation, like every nation, has.

Which is much worse.

firerain · March 12, 2011, 07:46:42 PM

Quote from: Goolkeye on March 12, 2011, 07:23:30 PM
Quote from: Firerain on March 12, 2011, 06:47:32 PM
Quote from: Goolkeye on March 12, 2011, 05:20:49 PM
Our forum is so great. We Americans don't have to worry about anything, because the members from the rest of the world will tell us how we should be.
No one in this thread has told you how your nation and the population "should" be. We're pointing out the flaws that your nation, like every nation, has.

Which is much worse.

why.

Djangonator · March 12, 2011, 08:20:41 PM

Michael Moore has a lot of money. He's done his movies, several TV series, and written a few best-selling books and maybe I'm wrong, but I've heard that = some amount of wealth. I assume he donates some money to charities, political causes, etc., but he had $20k ~cash~ to throw towards Julian Assange's bail. That's more than half of what I make in a year.

Djangonator · March 12, 2011, 08:22:29 PM

Also not saying anything bad about the foreigners here, but from what I notice some educate themselves more on America than on their own countries.

EvilM00s · March 12, 2011, 08:35:15 PM

Okay, I see why Moore is unpalatable to a lot of people. He IS incredibly left, I get that. I contend that if he was totally off his trolley, the corporations and politicians he interviews wouldn't be so opposed to him asking the questions he does. I mean, if his interviewees were so sure they were doing everything above board, why should some filmmaker threaten them? It makes me think there is something there to hide- not that I think Moore is a saint, I just think that the United States needs to massively overhaul it's systems (both political and economic) and it is documentary like Moore's that challenges people's perceptions. If he presented his information in an unbiased manner, however, I think he'd get his message to many more people. But a tool? Nah.

EvilM00s · March 12, 2011, 08:43:49 PM

And another thing- Arrow hit the bullseye, no pun intended, when he said both sides of the US party lines are pandering scumbags (if I may paraphrase). The two party system is nothing but a bowl of dog shit looking at itself in the mirror. This, among other things, is evident and such statements are welcome from anyone of any nation, anytime. And you know what? You non-US citizens don't know the HALF of it. You only see it from the outside. I have to fucking live here, with no job security, no health care to speak of, no Social Security, a shitty pension to look forward to, and goddammit- gasoline just hit $4.00 a gallon where I live. For what? So some asshat paper hanger pencil pusher in an office can take himself and his mistress to Cabo San Lucas for the eleventh time this month. Fuck the US government, fuck it... FUCK IT!

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