Obama

[tSwitch]

Ok, people seem to really want this topic, and nobody seems to be bothered to make it, so I will.

Post your thoughts on/concerning/about Obama.

I'm not going to take part in this, as I'm sick and tired of people just bitching about how rich people can't be insanely stupidly rich anymore.  but if you all want a place to carry out an 'OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST FUCK AMERICA WE'RE DOOMED' rant, then go ahead and talk about it here.

[haloOfTheSun]

OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST AND I MAKE THIS CLAIM BASED ON SPECULATION AND NOTHING THAT HE HAS ACTUALLY SAID.

Also, no offense to anyone, but many of you are kids and you shouldn't be acting like you know what you're talking about here. I'm not an expert either, nor do I claim to be, but when you're 16 you shouldn't be complaining because you heard "Obama is a Marxist" or "he rigged the election" or "he's having legal issues so he may not be President" or "his policies are going to ruin the country" or "people just voted Obama to be cool" or "his tax plan will bankrupt businesses" (har har Irock).

[Kathryn]

he isn't old, and very sadly, that is enough for me .-.

[Leventhan]

Eh, I'm indifferent. Hope Obama's going to do everything he said he'll do.

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Hopefully he goes down in history as one of the greatest presidents of all time 

(that of course means the US will be farrrrrr better than how it is today)

[Kokowam]

Also, no offense to anyone, but many of you are kids and you shouldn't be acting like you know what you're talking about here.

Lol. One of the worst are people at school who watched just the election, and pretend to know everything. What's even more worse are people who heard what others said or just watched one critique and regurgitate that information. The absolute worst are people who make their claims after watching SNL.

Hopefully he goes down in history as one of the greatest presidents of all time 

(that of course means the US will be farrrrrr better than how it is today)

Lol 'cuz he's half-black?



Also, I hear Obama just says he's a Christian to get the Christian vote. Is that true? I heard some baby lived through an abortion or something and he just said "kill it anyways."

[haloOfTheSun]

Also, I hear Obama just says he's a Christian to get the Christian vote. Is that true? I heard some baby lived through an abortion or something and he just said "kill it anyways."

He's Christian, and WTF that's bullshit. He's pro-choice, but if he personally were against abortion he wouldn't want the baby killed. Sounds like some more of those claims from those oh-so-intelligent people who know so much about everything.

[modern algebra]

I think that claim originates from his having voted against the Born Alive Bill in Illinois. http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/01/top-10-reasons.html I haven't read that so it might be biased - first thing that came up in my search, but it shows that he voted against it.


Better reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZCXcTwZPY

[haloOfTheSun]

Yeah there was a lot of talk about that recently, but it was another one of those things where it's full of half-truths and important parts are left out to better fit the image they're trying to portray. Obama never voted against the bill, he only voted "present".

[modern algebra]

present the first time, no the second time according to the cnn video

[CartoonFan]

I believe the whole "we shouldn't have socialized medicine because homeless people are too lazy to work and therefore don't deserve healthcare" argument is just an excuse greedy rich class people made up because they don't want to pay as many taxes as the middle class currently does. Either that or it's a rumor that America's Health Insurance companies started because they don't wanna be replaced even though they deserve it. I'm well aware that lots of people abuse the welfare system, but regardless of that, the longevity of your life shouldn't be determined by how much money you have. And the speculation that "Universal Health Care will turn our country into a completely Communist one just like Soviet Russia" is bullshit. We have socialized public schools, and THAT hasn't turned us into a Communist country! Socialism =/= Communism.

The only thing I DON'T like about Obama is the possibility that he might try to reinstate the assault weapons ban. You guys all know how much I love weapons. :3

Other than that though, I was cheering my ass off the night he won the election. Overall, I support Obama. And even if the assault weapons ban passes, it's not like I'll need one for practical defense or anything.

But just for the lulz:


And I can't wait until he comes to Mercenaries 2.

[Sophist]

I believe the whole "we shouldn't have socialized medicine because homeless people are too lazy to work and therefore don't deserve healthcare" argument is just an excuse greedy people made up because they don't want to pay as many taxes as the middle class currently does.

I don't think you understand, there are thousands and thousands of people who live off of welfare and unemployment because they don't WANT to get a job, they are surviving off of a system put in place to help up America on the BASIS of Socialism! Socialism is the idea that everyone will work together to accomplish a better country, so that in the system of everyone being a participating member of society, we CAN have things like welfare and a healthcare system because everyone is earning it. But there ARE people who aren't working because they know they can live off of these systems that are falling apart. You seem to be under the impression that people with less money are taxed more, and that's quite a lot of bullshit. Unless the said "greedy person" owns more land than the average person of the middle class, they are paying the exact same amount of taxes. Why would a system of supposed "socialism" to you, tax the class that Socialism is meant to help? Are you fucking retarded?

Either that or it's a rumor that America's Health Insurance companies started because they don't wanna be replaced even though they deserve it. And the speculation that "Universal Health Care will turn our country into a completely socialist one just like Soviet Russia" is bullshit. We have socialized public schools, and THAT hasn't turned us into Russia!

Again, bullshit. We aren't going to "turn into Russia" because Russia was a COMMUNIST economy. And so what if our Country is leaning more to Socialism, this is an age of depression now, the lower classes WANT to be able to move ahead, but that, again, takes the system of nationalism where people strive to become supporting members of the economy. Public Schools haven't been "socialized" you twit, because you can't turn something that is not an economy into socialism, schools before weren't a goddamn Democracy or Republic.

The only thing I DON'T like about Obama is the possibility that he might try to reinstate the assault weapons ban. You guys all know how much I love weapons. :3

You shouldn't be near a weapon anyway, if i'm president, you're going to be banned from anything more dangerous than a water gun.

But just for the lulz:
[IMG]http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/PossessedBlade/6262824575247212218lohe0.jpg[/imglinkdestroyed

And I can't wait until he comes to Mercenaries 2.

Keep this 4chan spam the fuck out of here.

[CartoonFan]

-So I got the "We're going to turn into Russia" theory mixed up. The theory's still THERE and I've heard numerous people state it. I simply accidentally placed "Socialism" where I should have said "Communism". Mistakes happen, I'm only human, I'm tired, give me a break.

"Unless the said "greedy person" owns more land than the average person of the middle class, they are paying the exact same amount of taxes. Why would a system of supposed "socialism" to you, tax the class that Socialism is meant to help? Are you fucking retarded?"

No, you misunderstood, as usual.

A) I'm not against socialism, I used the wrong term where I should have said "Communism", and yes I WAS talking about the people who own more land than the average person of the middle class. I NEVER said that people with less money were taxed more, and I don't know WHERE you pulled that one out of. The fact of the matter is, only the rich class gets tax cuts at the moment. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

B) Don't call me "fucking retarded". This is Elitist Debate.

C) I know very well that lots of people abuse the welfare system, but that's still no excuse to oppose Universal Health Care. We shouldn't have to pay to live, and if other countries can pull it off, I don't see why we can't.

D) Nice to see you too. Jeez. What's gotten into you lately? You're getting pissed off way too easily just like, well, just like I used to.

E (for edit:) There, I fixed my mistakes in the first post. Happy now? Take a chill pill.

F) I didn't get that picture off of 4chan. Grow a sense of humor for petesake. Loosen up, this is the internet.

[Sophist]

-So I got the "We're going to turn into Russia" theory mixed up. The theory's still THERE and I've heard numerous people state it. I simply accidentally placed "Socialism" where I should have said "Communism". Mistakes happen, I'm only human, I'm tired, give me a break.

Gee cause it's so hard to look over your post. And don't "oh Anski," me  I was correcting your incompetent ideals. We aren't going to "turn into russia," This country will never leave the haven of Democracy or a Republic. So what if we have socialist ideas in place, you act as if it is going to be the downfall of your world.

A) I'm not against socialism, I used the wrong term where I should have said "Communism", and yes I WAS talking about the people who own more land than the average person of the middle class. I NEVER said that people with less money were taxed more, and I don't know WHERE you pulled that one out of. The fact of the matter is, only the rich class gets tax cuts at the moment. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

is just an excuse greedy people made up because they don't want to pay as many taxes as the middle class currently does.

What kind of economy would put more strain on the less wealthy class? The wealthy are taxed the most, it's the poor who get tax cuts, Obama has said that the people who make less than 200k a year will get tax cuts. Why do you think ANYONE at all would just give the people who have the money to pay full taxes tax cuts? Bush cut taxes for everyone, but progressively. As in the more money you make, the less of a tax cut you get.

B) Don't call me "fucking retarded". This is Elitist Debate.

You're fucking retarded, also way to be a hypocrite to try and correct me once I said keep the fucking spam out of here you twit.

C) I know very well that lots of people abuse the welfare system, but that's still no excuse to oppose Universal Health Care. We shouldn't have to pay to live, and if other countries can pull it off, I don't see why we can't.

I'm not opposing Universal Healthcare, but I know that it is going to fail if people don't get off their asses and work to save the economy instead of hoping everything will get better. We SHOULD have to pay to live, it is your mindset that is what is pulling it down. You want everything handed to you on a silver platter. We don't have the money to give every single person in the country healthcare because so many people don't work and they don't pay taxes. America doesn't "pull it off" because, as I said before, people don't work to support the economy.

[Sophist]

D) Nice to see you too. Jeez. What's gotten into you lately? You're getting pissed off way too easily just like, well, just like I used to.

E (for edit:) There, I fixed my mistakes in the first post. Happy now? Take a chill pill.

F) I didn't get that picture off of 4chan. Grow a sense of humor for petesake. Loosen up, this is the internet.

Also, double postan, i'm not getting pissed off way too easily, i'm just telling you that you're an idiot, i'm not JAMMING MY HANDS ON MY KEYBOARD ARAFARAFARAFARFARF WHY DID YOU SAY SOCIALISM ARAFAFAR

Don't put a hyperbole on me, boy.

F) I didn't get that picture off of 4chan. Grow a sense of humor for petesake. Loosen up, this is the internet.

We do have rules on this board about spam, as in don't post stuff like this.

[haloOfTheSun]

The theory's still THERE and I've heard numerous people state it.

You shouldn't listen to people; they're idiots. But being that you are an idiot, then I can see how you would fall into the trap of listening to them.

[CartoonFan]

-Excuse me? There was nothing to correct. I said MYSELF that I thought the "We're turning into Russia" idea was bullshit. You just didn't read that part or see the quotation marks.

-Exactly. There WILL be tax cuts to people making under 200k. Last I checked, those plans aren't in place YET. The rich were getting tax cuts under the Bush administration, which is still in place until the year's up. I haven't read a single article saying that the tax cuts to the rich ideal has been repealed. If it has, that's my bad for not updating my information. But I'm talking about what's in place right NOW, not what Obama is planning to put in place once it's his turn. I never once implied that I WAS talking about that. I never used the words "will be" in my posts.

-You think I don't know that? I never said I wanted something for nothing. By "we can pull it off", I meant that Americans can get to work too. I never said we couldn't or shouldn't.

Quit putting keys in my fingers. You're basing all your hateful retorts on things I never said, and Elitist Debate is no place for harsh words like that. I don't know what's gotten into you, but it's not good. Now quit imagining "implied remarks" that I never made.

[haloOfTheSun]

I read your post. I was generalizing.

EDIT: And quit reporting every post that you disagree with For someone who is so anti-government, you sure do expect the people in charge (i.e. me, Anski, and the rest of the staff) to take control and do what you feel is right.

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halo, if you want to attack someone please attack roph.

[CartoonFan]

I read your post. I was generalizing.

EDIT: And quit reporting every post that you disagree with For someone who is so anti-government, you sure do expect the people in charge (i.e. me, Anski, and the rest of the staff) to take control and do what you feel is right.

Sorry, my reply wasn't centered at you, it was towards Anski. Aside from the "calling me an idiot" thing, you were right on the mark.

I'm not anti-government anymore. I haven't been for quite a few months actually. I'm sorry, I should have given you guys an updated index of all of my political beliefs.

And I only expect you people to enforce the rules. Elitist Debate is supposed to be a mature place, is it not? If you didn't want me to report your post, you shouldn't have called me an idiot simply for responding to something a few idiots from somewhere else said to me.

[Sophist]

I'm done running in circles with your dumb views on everything. You can go ahead and believe all the lies you want, it's people like you that make me feel good to be a Socialist.

[Kyriel]

Bush cut taxes for everyone, but progressively. As in the more money you make, the less of a tax cut you get.

A progressive tax cut means that the more money you make, the more of a tax cut you get - working class taxpayers would get a couple hundred dollars back each year, under the Bush tax plan, while those in the highest tax bracket ($200,000 or more per year) would receive THOUSANDS, and in the case of the wealthiest Americans - upwards of $1,000,000.

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opinions, people have them.

If you don't like someone's, ignore.

this works both ways.

[Zylos]

My opinion is that Animefan is a whiny bitch. But that's just my opinion.

Anyway, despite being an American, I'm mostly indifferent about Obama being president as long as he doesn't screw the country up even worse. I only voted him because A) I'm in Chicago and would have gotten jumped otherwise, B) I didn't like McCain's view on certain things during the debates (although I forget what they were), and C) there was a certain trial in Texas which will go very badly for someone I know with judges selected by McCain.

Anything else, I really just don't care about it too much. I've a dislike of politics in general.

[Roph]

Go watch sicko as for the healthcare thing. I think the american healthcare system is ridiculous. Here in the UK it's "socialised" healthcare. Of course, no system as vast as one that serves an entire country would be free from problems, and the NHS (national health service) isn't without its fair share, but overall it works pretty good.

If I become severly ill or injure myself, there's no worrying about money or anything like that. The main concern is how can they help me, and will I be safe. All I would need to get care is just to let them know who I am.

I stayed up late and watchhed him win live on TV, I was happy he won. I'm definitely for pro-choice and gay equality even though neither affect me. The same for getting religion the heck out of the state

As for the benefit thing, aren't there checks in place? You can't just live off unemployment pay here. To get it, you have to prove you're unemployed and that you are currently trying to get employment again. To keep getting the money you have to prove that you are continually making reasonable attempts to get work. If you're not, you're removed from the roll and don't get a penny.