Most Cliche RPG subject

[Fr00bs]

I've got a hand on VX, now I'm looking to make a project. This will hopefully help me with a non-cliche story

[Forty]

Airships are ok, and the whole religion thing isn't too bad. (But try to stay from that)

You want to keep away from crystals and the princess thing like the plague.

[Dertt]

And war. Every third fantasy game involves a war or a country that could potentially go to war. Even I'm doing it. Sort of.

[Leventhan]

And castles as a player base gets pretty annoying at times.

[Acer]

Legendary swords, oversized swords, and other sword related mumbo-jumbo, thats al too cliche

[Forty]

Really big, tough guys have axes (except Presea from Tales of Symphonia)
Give a small child a huge honking hammer. That would shake things up.

[Kularian]

Hand-to-hand heroes are a little overdone as well.  It's been awhile since a good polearm-wielder took center stage.

And if you give said small child said huge honking hammer, either make certain there's a reason for it, or make it one of those plastic ones that actually /does/ honk when it hits stuff,

[droginator]

"Religion is evil" has appeared in alot of games. But "ZOMG GOTTA RESCUE THE PRINCESS" storylines are as cliche as it gets.

[Forty]

Princess things are cliches for every game, except fighting and shooting games.

[Sabre_of_Pain]

see the thing is, cliche doesn't necessarily mean bad. when you aren't being cliche your being original..ish...sorta and that leads to space/air pirates. there are many phrases that describe space/air pirates, but i think the most accurate one is: DO NOT WANT.

[SexualBubblegumX]

Don't let Ron Jeremy have a cameo either.... Actually I lied. Let him have a cameo because that would be epic.

[Kularian]

Don't let Ron Jeremy have a cameo either.... Actually I lied. Let him have a cameo because that would be epic.

QFT

And yes, I suppose that, even if you are working with a fairly cliche plot, if you can put an interesting spin on it, it no longer becomes cliche.  Like, if you /do/ go to save the princess, only it turns out she orchestrated the entire thing in order to capture you and force you to help her overthrow her father.

That's fairly different.

Just...putting little twists like that on things makes it much more entertaining to play, because then you can just imagine a player going, "Wait...what...?"  when they expect the big bad guy to have been the mastermind behind it all. 

[Fr00bs]

Don't let Ron Jeremy have a cameo either.... Actually I lied. Let him have a cameo because that would be epic.

QFT

And yes, I suppose that, even if you are working with a fairly cliche plot, if you can put an interesting spin on it, it no longer becomes cliche.  Like, if you /do/ go to save the princess, only it turns out she orchestrated the entire thing in order to capture you and force you to help her overthrow her father.

That's fairly different.

Just...putting little twists like that on things makes it much more entertaining to play, because then you can just imagine a player going, "Wait...what...?"  when they expect the big bad guy to have been the mastermind behind it all. 

Mind if I use that>?

Thats an awsome idea that i want to develope...

[Kularian]

Mind if I use that>?

Thats an awsome idea that i want to develope...

Well, if you want the Ron Jeremy thing, you'll hafta ask Mr. Sailorman,

But as for the whole princess trying to overthrow her father thing...sure.  The 2.5 games I'm making don't use that plot, so feel free. ^^

[Asch]

http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html

All you need to know, really.

[Fr00bs]

http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html

Very helpful, but now EVERYTHING is cliche?

[Asch]

Most everything's been done, and done to death.  :\

[tSwitch]

'everything' has been done before.
don't worry about a game being 'cliche'
every storyline starts with a cliche.  The idea of good vs evil is a damn cliche already.  It's the detail, development, and plot that makes the game original.

take a base storyline, even if its a cliche goal, there's the base.  now with interesting characters, events, twists, and events, you can flesh it out and make an original game instead of just that worn out cliche.

[Revo]

First off, most stories are cliche no matter what. It's the characters that change it. Work really hard on your characters.

For more help, check out these articles: http://toolkitzone.com/library.php?cat=5

They should be helpful. That is all.

[Fr00bs]

Super helpful Revo, thanks 

[SexualBubblegumX]

Don't let Ron Jeremy have a cameo either.... Actually I lied. Let him have a cameo because that would be epic.

QFT

And yes, I suppose that, even if you are working with a fairly cliche plot, if you can put an interesting spin on it, it no longer becomes cliche.  Like, if you /do/ go to save the princess, only it turns out she orchestrated the entire thing in order to capture you and force you to help her overthrow her father.

That's fairly different.

Just...putting little twists like that on things makes it much more entertaining to play, because then you can just imagine a player going, "Wait...what...?"  when they expect the big bad guy to have been the mastermind behind it all. 

Mind if I use that>?

Thats an awsome idea that i want to develope...

Go ahead, give him a Cameo. It's best some one uses the idea since I don't use RM anymore.

[Arrow]

I'm the only one that voted airships? Seriously? I mean, you've all noticed that there isn't a single RPG out there without some kind of airship in it right?

Excuse me, every single RPG that isn't Earthbound?

[droginator]

Agreed. Although, how else would you get around? (Granted, Earthbound has PSI Teleport) I can't think of many RPGs that don't have airships, so they can definitely be called cliche. The "Tales of" series and Final Fantasy always seem to have airships at some point in the game.

[Starrodkirby86]

Cliches aren't bad, the way they are executed determines if they are negative or beneficial. Of course, that's already proven here so I might as well not need to say that. ^^;

Agreed. Although, how else would you get around? (Granted, Earthbound has PSI Teleport) I can't think of many RPGs that don't have airships, so they can definitely be called cliche. The "Tales of" series and Final Fantasy always seem to have airships at some point in the game.

It is extremely to recall any RPG that does not have an airship, but currently the Fire Emblem franchise tends to avoid this vehicle. I don't think Golden Sun has any Airships to recall either, but I never played that game (I may in the future, don't burn on me for my feebleness ), but you are correct. It is hard to think of an RPG without the use of an Airship. That doesn't mean it's bad though and of course, having an airship isn't exactly dull or it makes the player shrug and turn off the game...usually the player would just accept it and maybe like it, then go on with life. :3

[droginator]

It is extremely to recall any RPG that does not have an airship, but currently the Fire Emblem franchise tends to avoid this vehicle. I don't think Golden Sun has any Airships to recall either, but I never played that game (I may in the future, don't burn on me for my feebleness ), but you are correct. It is hard to think of an RPG without the use of an Airship.

Fire Emblem doesn't need vehicles at all, due to the fact that there's no overworld. The Sacred Stones did have an overworld, but they still didn't need an airship, because it was so easy to get from one place to the next, due to the places being spaces on the map (meaning you could instantly walk from one place to the next). Fire Emblem does have something where you can have one unit "carry" another unit.

Golden Sun did have an airship, but I think it was only close to the end of the 2nd game, where your regular ship gets wings added onto it.