Is You Tube becoming a Breeding ground for Violence ?

Or maybe "ignorant" would be a better word? That's what you are, willfully ignorant. You have learned absolutely nothing from this forum. You refuse to learn anything. You just spam this forum with the same tired shit.

You know you're an embarrassment to atheists and people who think global warming is real, right? You base all your conclusions on stereotypes and the vague opinions of your friends, and you make the groups you side with look like morons when you do. For example: you don't know a single thing about Christianity but you feel free to judge it and all sorts of other things based on what your friend heard about it from another friend, who told him about it a few years ago. All of your opinions are worthless for this reason.

You are a child; you don't know anything except what your parents and friends have told you. You behave like one also, locking threads when they don't go your way. Aren't you ever embarrassed in real  life? Hasn't someone ever mocked you for being ignorant? Made you feel bad for thinking and acting the way you do? Someone has to have pointed out your shameful (and near-absolute) ignorance of the world around you, right?

Right?

wow dude, relax.  You're getting hyped up because we're defending ourselves?  We're not "children" for not liking sex, blood, gore, and death the way you seem to from this discussion.  And we're not "spamming" either--by your definition of "spamming" from the context of your post, what you're saying is technically "spam" as well. 

If it were okay for kids to see violence and death, why don't they just videotape the battles in wars and bust out the popcorn?  Don't tell me a good portion of kids won't be traumatized by that.  It would also be scarring to see someone get mowed over on the street, or in the cases here, to see bear ripping lions and vice versa or to see teenagers--what kids will be in a few years--hauling off on each other.  If they want to see animals go against each other, book a frickin safari tour or go study wildlife in Africa for a few months.  You wanna see people beat each other up, buy tickets to a wrestling match.  You wanna see someone get run over, join the military and go to another country.  Otherwise, keep it off the net.

Seems to me you're the ignorant one, telling us off because we don't agree with YOU or YOUR point of view.  And yes we're learning, just not the way you seem to want us to.  Everyone has their likes and dislikes, but you seem to not see that here.  Tone it down a bit.

There, I've had another rant.

There, I've had another rant.

You're as smart as Arlen.

Why don't you read some more of LoS' posts in Elitist Debate before you tell me to chill. Try reading my posts in this thread, too.

Why did you get banned last time? I forget.

Jealousy.

...of what?

Jesus Hitler I hope you get a perm ban one day.

I started to read your post then took the ignorant stand I normally do and stopped...LOL

I have only ever locked one topic and that was today... And if you like I will unlock it... (There Unlocked)... Just like my Magix Car it's Magically unlocked !!!

And you're seemingly incapable to getting your own point across without being an insufferable douchebag.

JH I think that's aimed at you, rather than at me...

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It seems when I start posting in here people stop... I tend to kill topic's and guess that's what your trying to do to mine... Even though JH has kindly pointed out his opinion why that is, I think it has more to do with the fact if you did agree with some thing I say, you would feel a little unsettled... I mean most of what I say breaks from the norm, and norm is safe... JH I would say your a lamb that follows the flag blindly, or your friends... You need to grow a mind and think freely.  Your blind and narrow minded, you watch a You Tube video of kids battering others you hear people laughing and assume it's your turn to laugh too and do so with out thinking. (You see this is what you do to me, paint a picture of me, and assume you know me... YOUR VERY WRONG 99% of the time).

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Here's one that made me sick to the Stomach...



Is this funny.... ? Is this Entertainment... ? It's Not age restricted...

And this...



How about this...



Shall I continue... Are you getting the picture... All these are GBH, made into entrainment at some one Else's expense.

o...m...g....make it stop!!!!!!

That is terrible...I have no more comments today cuz not only am I ranted out but this...

okay, I'm leaving now, I'm so p***ed off at the stupidity of the world...this is sick...

So you don't like videos like that, which is fine with me, but why are you trying to force your view on me ?_?

You have emailed youtube / charity groups trying to get it removed, right? Why? If you don't want to see it, don't watch it. Not entirely the same, but this is why I hate Jack Thompson.

Describe "breeding ground"? Sorry, but to find videos like these you have to specifically search for them.

If they want to see animals go against each other, book a frickin safari tour or go study wildlife in Africa for a few months.  You wanna see people beat each other up, buy tickets to a wrestling match.  You wanna see someone get run over, join the military and go to another country.  Otherwise, keep it off the net

Utter redundancy? "If you want to see it, then you should choose to see it", basically. Who exactly is forcing you to see these things? I'll apologize on their behalf.

Basically, you could consider it insulting that your view is more important than everyone elses and that because you don't like something, nobody should be able to see it. I agree with saucy's posts =o

[edit] See, posted just before me. I have "Stupidity" because I am able to not suddenly have some impulse to go and murder somebody after seeing it in a video or a game?

People die. Animals kill each other. Wars happen. Why should I not be allowed to see these things?

I'm not "forcing"...

it seems like just posting my opinion, or that matter anyone posting theirs, is "forcing".  What if I find your standpoint offecnding? 

There's always someone out there with an opposing view, but on this subjecft I don't think we're gonna get anywhere.  Violence is wrong but people keep pushing for it...I dunno.  I'm gonna sign off on this discussion cuz it's at a tie and I've had my rants.  landofshadows, you're not alone.

I'm not "forcing"...

it seems like just posting my opinion, or that matter anyone posting theirs, is "forcing".  What if I find your standpoint offecnding? 

There's always someone out there with an opposing view, but on this subjecft I don't think we're gonna get anywhere.  Violence is wrong but people keep pushing for it...I dunno.  I'm gonna sign off on this discussion cuz it's at a tie and I've had my rants.  landofshadows, you're not alone.

Then what are you trying to do? You don't want to see that, so you're trying to stop others from seeing it? LoS said he's emailed whoever about the videos, presumably trying to get them removed so the rest of us can't see them. I guess this post is pointed more at LoS than you.

I'm not "forcing"...

it seems like just posting my opinion, or that matter anyone posting theirs, is "forcing".  What if I find your standpoint offecnding? 

There's always someone out there with an opposing view, but on this subjecft I don't think we're gonna get anywhere.  Violence is wrong but people keep pushing for it...I dunno.  I'm gonna sign off on this discussion cuz it's at a tie and I've had my rants.  landofshadows, you're not alone.

The way I see, our side has the opinion that if people wish to see these vids they may, and if they do not wish to see them, then they can simply not search for obscenely violent things. These videos do not come up when you are searching for the Wiggles I assure you.

People find these clips because they want to find them. They view these clips because they want to view them.

You're side happens to think that because of the nature of the films, and because of the point that some may be offended by them, that no one should have he right to view them, ever.

Freedom of choice verses oppression and dictatorialness aye?

If you're not trying to enforce your views, then why are you on that side..? You can still think 'I do not like these videos, but I will respect peoples rights to watch them'...

Silver... You started a topic once, what's with the world today ?...

This is what's with the world today, a numbed view of Violence... people are watching stuff on You Tube and it's breeding a culture, this sort of thing is the next step up from happy slapping... What's next, fun time stabbing ?...

I don't see how you can raise a topic based on mindless violence in the news and then almost support this kind of behaviour on the NET.... Its one and the same thing... The makers of the video's have no respect for the person they injure while filming these exploits.

Would this sort of thing happen of the NET didn't spring board the video's to a higher level...?

It's like the first camera phones made a great platfrom for happy slapping, the NET now serves this as entertainment while still using a mobile device as a tool...

If you look at this debate in this way, you can see the point I am trying to make...

All my topic's I start off with the basic bones of an idea and build on them slowly, I don't give the full picture right away, else what's there to debate, I would have nothing to add...?

but to find videos like these you have to specifically search for them.

The People who are filming them no doubt do, to them it's like an online fight club... with the content getting worst all the time...

I am still a big fan of You Tube and have many video's of me and my mates on there, just not half killing each other.... I think it needs serious policing... It's becoming some thing other than fun.

Then what are you trying to do? You don't want to see that, so you're trying to stop others from seeing it? LoS said he's emailed whoever about the videos, presumably trying to get them removed so the rest of us can't see them. I guess this post is pointed more at LoS than you.

You Tube is not Orgish... Or Rotten.com... Families and friends use it as a medium to converse, it's a window for some on another culture... For me You Tube has help diversify my comedy palette, and helped me see many a short film I never would have... View my favourites.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_favorites?user=landofshadows

Saucy:-

Sorry if I knocked people off track with the Bear vs Lion video... But I have stated many a time it was an example, here, humour me, try this Put in your home town followed by the word fight or punch... You will soon see many people are trying to get noticed through a medium of violence.

I have asked is it just me that thinks this way so far one person on here agree's... I am surprised...

I am not trying to force any thing on you, all I would like is to debate if you think You Tube is changing...?

From the point of take over the content filter is very relaxed, porn links and video's like those mentioned are staying up...

When I call it a breeding ground I mean its giving a new lease of life to the happy slapping fad, and then spring boarding it to a new height, and it worries me... See some of the faces of the observers, sheer joy, laughing, joking and jesting, in one video they can be heard "kill him"... The comments below the video's no one seems to say, was the guy who got battered OK ?... And the amount of racism is shocking....

OK I done a search on wiggles I found many strip tease video's along with the kids show... But no Fight vid's...

But as normal I search on "Funny" and after a few chained links found this:-

Age Restricted, but why is it tagged under Entertainment and Funny ?


This video, is just mental this one I found interesting but at the same time no age restriction, again it's under Funny and Entertainment:-

People find these clips because they want to find them. They view these clips because they want to view them.

True... Does the kid in your class watch it, does the kid in your class laugh at some else's misfortune, will that Kid then get his mate and film you getting your head stamped on...?

Extream...? Nope that's whats happening.... Breeding of Violence.

True... Does the kid in your class watch it, does the 'kid' in your class laugh at some else's misfortune, will that Kid then get his mate and film you getting your head stamped on...?

Extream...? Nope that's whats happening.... Breeding of Violence.

No the 'kid' in my class is not the one watching these videos, I am. No, the kid in my class does not laugh at other peoples misfortunes, I do. Quite frankly, I laugh my ass off at these types of clips.

But do I get my mates to film me as I beat in somebody's head with a baseball bat? No, because I know doing this is wrong, and is a criminal offense.

If people want to commit acts of violence, it does not matter whether they have a medium like youtube to display it on, they will simply do it because they wish to. This is not new Los... Kids having been doing this for a looong time, but do you know why you haven't seen these things on video-sharing-communities until now? It's because video-sharing-communities are a new thing. That is why you are seeing this now, not because this is a new generation of "youtube inspired violence gangs", but because criminals have simply not had the chance to display these videos in this fashion until now.

Violent behavior will always be around, and if you think something like youtube is required to cause it, I suggest you take a look at your fellow man.

I will not put my freedom online because of criminals. Even if these videos are 'inspiring' these acts, they are not forcing them, if a criminal wants to be a criminal, then he can pay the penalties himself, but I will be damned if I will pay for their actions with my personal freedom, the price you are asking.

That's the sort of responce I was looking for... I am not saying that, Youtube is solely responcilple, I am saying it's not helping, and have asked the question Is You Tube becoming a Breeding ground for Violence ?

No the 'kid' in my class is not the one watching these videos, I am. No, the kid in my class does not laugh at other peoples misfortunes, I do. Quite frankly, I laugh my ass off at these types of clips.

You know the difference from what's right and wrong and therefore don't decide to do similar yourself, that's self control.  Some people don't see it that way...  Some people don't have self control, right and wrong is a matter of opinion a line that's getting thinner.

So your saying in around about way, you feel there is a form of entertainment that appeals to you within these clips even though it doesn't to me... Different people different views and tolerances... Fair enough, these kind of video's I can't see the appeal at all, and I hate to think what you consider what violent actually is... But that aside, there's a market, so why not label it as it is in You Tube.

Out of interest have you ever seen any thing that you would consider violent/ to the point it sickend you, made you head go light and your stomach turn ?

I think may be Youtube needs to have a new division, or have a regulatory standard set for certain classifications, if a new division to be set, have one as  the below:-



And then for the one I added at the bottom on the above mock up, have some sort of rule that auto adds and age restriction check to it.

If not, then on the above list without my added line, in what area do you think these fight video's should go under...?

Really they don't fit any of the above... Not even entertainment really... It's Shock value or stupidity factor, that's the only draw to them I can see...?

Is You Tube becoming a Breeding ground for Violence ?

Define your definition of "breeding ground for violence".

...  Some people don't have self control

Then "some people" are going to get ass-raped in prison.

Out of interest have you ever seen any thing that you would consider violent/ to the point it sickend you, made you head go light and your stomach turn ?

No, I have not.

I think may be Youtube needs to have a new division, or have a regulatory standard set for certain classifications, if a new division to be set, have one as  the below:-
And then for the one I added at the bottom on the above mock up, have some sort of rule that auto adds and age restriction check to it.

And what the fuck is that besides petty masturbation? You are referring to children who are ravage enough to commit acts of depraved violence simply because they have seen it. Your telling me they're going to think "OH SHIT, BETTER NOT WATCH THAT, IT'S 18+!"? You have solved nothing and have done nothing to stop this supposed outbreak of violent behavior. Congratulations.

And what the fuck is that besides petty masturbation? You are referring to children who are ravage enough to commit acts of depraved violence simply because they have seen it. Your telling me they're going to think "OH SHIT, BETTER NOT WATCH THAT, IT'S 18+!"? You have solved nothing and have done nothing to stop this supposed outbreak of violent behavior. Congratulations.

So what do you suggest ?

Define your definition of "breeding ground for violence".

A Fad, turning into a culture... The films shown show multiple bystanders filming some of these events... Much like if a building on fire, the first thing some people do now is reach for their phone to film it rather than call it in... Same with these fights.

It's a change in tolerance of violence, and many people who view this may see the place they saw it as an outlet for their own version of it.

It's like on here, one person starts a Pokemon game, many do.... Some one starts a Pirate Game, many other do...

There will always be trend setters and people that follow.

Like the Jack Arse Culture or Bum Fights...

Emulation of Violence some one may deem as entertaining amounts to a breeding ground for Violence... If some one watches a clip on you tube goes away films some thing similar then places it on your tube, that's what I mean.

Then "some people" are going to get ass-raped in prison.

You Tube will assist the police but not contact them with concern's... they used to before the change over, I mean a man was arrested in a matter of 24 hours for bitting a mouses head off on You Tube (prior to the change).

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/features/article2402863.ece

So what do you suggest ?

I believe it was you who said there was a problem...

A Fad, turning into a culture... The films shown show multiple bystanders filming some of these events... Much like if a building on fire, the first thing some people do now is reach for their phone to film it rather than call it in... Same with these fights.

It's a change in tolerance of violence, and many people who view this may see the place they saw it as an outlet for their own version of it.

It's like on here, one person starts a Pokemon game, many do.... Some one starts a Pirate Game, many other do...

There will always be trend setters and people that follow.

Like the Jack Arse Culture or Bum Fights...

Emulation of Violence some one may deem as entertaining amounts to a breeding ground for Violence... If some one watches a clip on you tube goes away films some thing similar then places it on your tube, that's what I mean.

Yeh, cause it'd be like real bad if like, who knows, maybe a lot of the kids started hanging out together, I guess we can name it a gang and they'd get knives and guns, and they like start doing shit like bank robberies and killing people with no apparent reason, they'd probably give themselves names too, you know, something like uhhh The Bloods!

OH WAIT! That already happened?! Gee I wonder if youtube was around in the 70's? Let's hope so, that way we can blame them for it!

You Tube will assist the police but not contact them with concern's... they used to before the change over, I mean a man was arrested in a matter of 24 hours for bitting a mouses head off on You Tube (prior to the change).

See now that's something I agree with you in, I mean that's just fucking sick, the thought of someone getting away with that, the thought of someone trying to censor that mans artistic expression! WRONG.

Is You Tube becoming a Breeding ground for Violence ?

"Breeding ground"? No, not by your definition and not even as an over-dramatisation. 

in my opinion youtibe isnt a breeding ground for violence its a breeding ground for sectarianism

(dont watch my videos)

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It seems when I start posting in here people stop... I tend to kill topic's and guess that's what your trying to do to mine... Even though JH has kindly pointed out his opinion why that is, I think it has more to do with the fact if you did agree with some thing I say, you would feel a little unsettled... I mean most of what I say breaks from the norm, and norm is safe... JH I would say your a lamb that follows the flag blindly, or your friends... You need to grow a mind and think freely.  Your blind and narrow minded, you watch a You Tube video of kids battering others you hear people laughing and assume it's your turn to laugh too and do so with out thinking. (You see this is what you do to me, paint a picture of me, and assume you know me... YOUR VERY WRONG 99% of the time).

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You know you're an embarrassment to atheists and people who think global warming is real, right? You base all your conclusions on stereotypes and the vague opinions of your friends, and you make the groups you side with look like morons when you do. For example: you don't know a single thing about Christianity but you feel free to judge it and all sorts of other things based on what your friend heard about it from another friend, who told him about it a few years ago. All of your opinions are worthless for this reason.

Here's some more YouTube videos that I am too lazy to provide a link to, so I've decided to just vomit them on your screen instead.

I didn't watch a single video. You know why? It's because I had no interest in watching a video of people fighting (that is, until I order The Story of Ricky). Nobody is forcing you or me to watch these videos. In fact, you have done more to make me watch these videos than the people who posted them.

You can yell "Won't someone think of the children?!" all you want but it's apparent to everyone here that you want an adult tag put on it because you just don't like it and it will be available to fewer people this way. There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that fight videos on YouTube are a "breeding ground" for anything. All you've done is use the tired old platitude of the censor: "My god, CHILDREN might see this!"

LOS, I'm sorry, but this time you are in fact wrong. Its a five to one argument here.

Just because it exists doesn't mean we'll watch it.

People who would see this and mimic it we're going to act out anyway. If they would mimic that sort of thing, it is already in their nature.

18+ only stickers have never solved anything.

Topic over?

LOS, I'm sorry, but this time you are in fact wrong. Its a five to one argument here.

Even if it is a Five against one argument as you put it, I would say more have a different opinion than me, so there for I sit in the minority. (Debate doesn't equal an argueement, through out I have kept my side at least as a debate, and most other on the other side have too). Only JH has viewed this as some thing other than that and tried to make it personal.

But yeah you can close it if you like.

There was links given to the below, and an investigation into this sort of video violence done the other day, but people ignored it then asked for proof:-

Spoiler for:

Children's Fight Club 
By Raphael Rowe
Panorama 
 
The police want websites to actively monitor their content
The internet is without question one of the greatest inventions of our time. For the majority of users it's a great source of information - the good by far out-weighing the bad.

But the bad is becoming more and more of a concern.

When we first came across the hundreds of violent videos that had been uploaded to various websites, we were shocked by the senseless and excessive violence, the age of those involved and the lack of sympathy from those watching and those who used their mobile phones to film the incident and egg-on the attacker/s.

No matter how many videos I witnessed during our research I was shocked and flinched, and still do, at the impact of the blows that rained down on the victims. Be it by foot or fist or weapon.

Meeting and speaking to victims and their parents, like "Joe", from Glasgow in Scotland, who had no idea the assault on their son was on the internet for others' entertainment made our investigation all the more important.

Nobody complained

Joe had been bullied and assaulted by teenagers younger and smaller than him.

His story was one of many I heard:

"I couldn't run from them because they had knives and I was scared they would use them. They filmed the attack so that everyone at my school and people that lived in my area could see what they did to me."

  Look all this is happening, this is real life, this is going on, we're going to show it

Hayden Hewitt
LiveLeak
Over sixteen-hundred viewers watched his attackers taunt and punch him around the head on YouTube, the most successful video broadcast website. Yet no-one used the complaint system to have it taken down.

We did and it was removed.

Hayden Hewitt, the co-founder of LiveLeak, another site that allows its users to upload children fighting or attacking other kids, told me he would not take down the extremely violent videos we brought to his attention.

He told us: "Look all this is happening, this is real life, this is going on, we're going to show it"

When I went to see Google, who own YouTube, their spokesperson Rachel Whetstone told me it was up to the community who use the site to decide when something was inappropriate.

Google are worth more than $170bn. When I asked how many people they employ to actively monitor the content being uploaded to YouTube, I was, and I'm sure many will be, surprised to learn that no-one actively polices the site.

The police say this is not good enough and they want YouTube and other websites to actively police their content and forward details of those who upload violent footage so they can be investigated.

If they were prepared to do this it may reduce the bullying and attacks for entertainment on vulnerable children, like Joe, overnight.

Funded through advertising

We also investigated how the advertisements for blue-chip brands - including British Telecom, John Lewis, Carphone Warehouse and Orange - came to be splashed across an internet website called Pure Street Fights.

These and several other brands all insisted that they had no knowledge of the adverts' appearance on the site and have launched investigations.

Pure Street Fights, which features violent films of anything from vicious playground attacks to bare-knuckle boxing, is funded through its advertising.

Other brands to have appeared on the site are VirginMedia, O2, eBay, Easycar and Peugeot.

Michelle Elliott of Kidscape said: "It's outrageous. The only reason these sites are allowed to be up there is because somebody is paying money and the advertisers are paying money."

However, the brands have all told Panorama that they knew nothing of the adverts - and have since ensured that they have been taken down.

Almost all blamed rogue advertising networks for putting them onto the website. Both Carphone Warehouse and O2 have sacked the advertising networks responsible.

Guy Philpott of the Internet Advertising Bureau (IAB), which represents online advertising companies, said that brands were often not aware of where advertising networks were placing their adverts.

 IPA Statement
When contacted by Panorama, The Institute of Practitioners in Advertising (IPA) issued a statement.


Read the IPA statement 
He said: "This is pretty lamentable isn't it? They (the brands) don't understand what happened in the chain for them to end up on this site. Online advertising is a fairly new science, you know, and it's grown a lot in the last couple of years. And there is an education process to be done."

He said the IAB would be investigating the advertising networks in question.

BT said in a statement: "The advert in question was placed by one of the many networks that BT uses that act as advertising sales houses for thousands of websites.

"On the rare occasion that a network gets it wrong we will take immediate action. The advert in question was removed immediately it was brought to our attention. We take any breach of our guidelines extremely seriously and we are currently investigating with the network how this happened."

Carphone Warehouse said in a statement: "As part of our advertising strategy TalkTalk buy mass online advertising space on third party online advertising networks.

"Upon investigation, it transpires that one of our online advertising networks mistakenly advertised TalkTalk on Pure Street Fights due to a technical error on their part. This was a breach of contract and we immediately  cancelled out contract with this network." 

Even if it is a Five against one argument as you put it, I would say more have a different opinion than me, so there for I sit in the minority.

No Los, therefore you sit the loser. Address the points set out or concede defeat.

Only JH has viewed this as some thing other than that and tried to make it personal.

You retaliated with a personal attack making you just as bad as him.

There was links given to the below, and an investigation into this sort of video violence done the other day, but people ignored it then asked for proof:-

I asked for evidence, not an essay. Show me the research done that shows an increase in youth violence because of youtube and websites like it!

I asked for evidence, not an essay. Show me the research done that shows an increase in youth violence because of youtube and websites like it!

I suppose you didn't read it... It goes on to say how the NET is pretty much hosting Fight Clubs for Kids... And in sense it is.

No Los, therefore you sit the loser. Address the points set out or concede defeat.

You are a few... To be honest I kind of expected some of the answers I got, most f you are of a younger generation, and many from across the pond... May be that's got a fair bit to do with it, Happy Slapping here in England if you got caught by the police with footage on your phone your phone gets taken and you get questioned and some times prosecuted depending on if you help the police or not... I think the people uploading these video's should face the same sort of punishment.

Address the points set out or concede defeat.

How about, No...

I have put across my point of view on this given links and video's, given my thoughts openly... I think every one has got a right to watch some thing if they want to watch it... But I also disagree with Silver... I mean he is basically saying it's real life if I want to watch I will... Well what about Snuff movies ?, Rape Footage ? Child Porn ?... Some thing s have no place on the NET or in public view even though they are happening... I brand these video's with the same stick, after all they are ABH and GBH, they are against the law and inciting crime.

I don't care how many of you tell me I am wrong, I think it's just a case of Moral Fibre, I have more you have less, I see you as the losers on a moral standing... Or I think your doing this just to try and make me angry.

(Debate doesn't equal an argueement, through out I have kept my side at least as a debate, and most other on the other side have too).

Almost all of your debating is based on "facts" you made from whole cloth. You run quickie Google searches after the fact to justify your opinions, and then you yammer on and on until the people who are debating with get tired of you and give up or you or your fuck buddy arlen lock the topic.

There was links given to the below, and an investigation into this sort of video violence done the other day, but people ignored it then asked for proof

Maybe if you didn't clutter your posts with YouTube videos that would totally prove you are right if only we would watch them we might not skip past parts of your posts. Anyway, that book you posted didn't say that violent YouTube videos are inspiring violence. Or maybe it did, I only read parts.

Here's how to embed a link in text:

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No Los, therefore you sit the loser. Address the points set out or concede defeat.

Now that I've given you this quickie tutorial you can stop cluttering your posts with YouTube videos and properly cite the relevant text instead of throwing essays at us and saying "Find the information yourself!"

I suppose you didn't read it... It goes on to say how the NET is pretty much hosting Fight Clubs for Kids... And in sense it is.

For someone who has been so vocal against American media in the past you sure love to use their hyperbole-laden lingo.

You are a few... To be honest I kind of expected some of the answers I got, most f you are of a younger generation, and many from across the pond... [happy slapping anecdote] I think the people uploading these video's should face the same sort of punishment.

Why? Because you don't like them? That's the only reason you've given us.

Address the points set out or concede defeat.

How about, No...

Fine, you lose.

Yes, you can lose in a debate. It doesn't matter if you have moral fiber or whatever, you have failed to convince us that YouTube videos inspire violence.

Furthermore, your attempt to make someone with a cell phone in the park the equal of rapists and murderers is pathetic. Believe it or not, videos of people fighting (which, by the way, was not what the debate was originally about) is legal and will remain so no matter how much you don't like it.