Gaia, Final Fantasy, real?

Thanls LoS. I read this topic and thought, "I have to get my point across", thanks for your support.

So, do you think we are just tools in a bigger, greater "plan"?

Sounds good, I think I will.

Probably not.

I have now read the link... its some pretty amazing stuff... VERY interesting... you could almost found a religion on some of that stuff...  I had no idea the idea evolved so early on...  Its a better theory than most, espically those envoling religion and higher powers...

If I was to base a faith on some thing it would be based loosly around that concept...

Many thanks for the link...

And again until disproven completely I wont rule it out as truth.

It isn't even a theory, and it's barely recognized as a science at all. That seems like a poorly constructed argument there and actually quite pathetic, Laura.

Haven't you learned that constructing arguments based of poorly researched data is about as valid as saying left = right?

left = right?

If you go left long enough you will end up in the same places as if you went right, just takes a little longer.

Gaia is more acceptable to me than the thought of a higher power like a GOD or almighty enterty, and I have not ruled out that there is some sort of God, so Gaia falls in to the realm of holding some weight.  I am not saying its as solid as the keyboard I am using right now, its some thing that will sit at the back of my mind and I will ponder about every now and then, in my "What if" like senario's I like so much.

Also I think I would like to think the Earth is self aware to a degree, its an amazing planet that I have a great respect for.  Native American Indians and other religions, cults, sects etc, have worshipped the Earth and its spirt for years, who's to say what they worshipping all this time hasn't been Gaia or a form of.

I think we know very little about our planet and it will be unfair either way to say one thing is fact over the other.

What you have in this debate is:-

Is the Earth a Large Rock in Space with a Solid Core with all the elements to sustain human life and thats it.

Or

Is the Earth a collective organisium with a Gaia stream consently keeping an equalibrium of life.

My Choice is not to rule out the replacement of Or with an And:-

The Earth a Large Rock with a mass of collective organisiums in Space with a Solid Core and a Gaia stream consently keeping an equalibrium of life along with all the elements to sustain human life.

Why not... It's a nice thought. (May not be correct, by neither is the Bible, some would say)

I am trying to put across a point, or a frame of thought, I am not trying to better you, you may have noticed I posted in this topic well before you decided to, I had an opinion then and it hasn't changed.... And I find using my Imagination Fun... I am a creative person.

When you are being creative you must turn off the part of your brain that says "hey, this isn't possible!" because all of your creative output (on this forum) is fucking goofy and full of impossibilities.

Once again, you are bringing it up as if it was evidence for something.

What's your point ?... Is that against the rules or some thing...? To mention some thing that also has simualr foundings and ethics as some thing else... Hows that wrong... All I am saying is other fantasy writters have drawn on the same lines as FF... GET OVER IT...

And once again, it has nothing to do with whether or not the idea of a globe-spanning organism is possible.

The more people that think along the same lines the more plausable the idea...

1) WRONG
2) Just because someone writes about it in a fucking story does not mean that they believe in it.

The Ice Ages weren't disasters.

Right so the start of the next one will be a normal day then ?... Thanks God for that, I will buy a brolly for the next occasion as a hand me down for the next generation.

The ice ages were climatic changes that occurred slowly enough for creatures to adapt to the new environment. They were as disastrous as the breakup of Pangaea.

It was a Disaster for the Dinosaurs... if not a Disaster what the Hell would you call it ?

The dinosaurs weren't killed by an ice age you retard.

(Its not like on the Weather forcast, tomorrow there will be the start of an Ice age... Wrap up warm...!!!! of course its a Disaster, a very big natural one, if I was to claim on my House INS, they would say its a natural Disaster and an act of God...)

Do you even know what an ice age is?

If the entire planet was a living organism then it wouldn't be concerned with what we do at all since it would be so huge and we so small. We couldn't even be a disease since we can't knock it out of its orbig or solidify its core or anything like that.

Think of us as a rash, one thats getting slightly to irritating... If you had a rash that you could cover you would know doubt put up with it, but when it starts itching then you would flush it off your-self I would imagine... just cuz we aint killing it doesn't mean we are not adversly hurting it.

How are we affecting a giant molten ball of silicon and metal with some hardened bits on the outside?

All I said in the other thread is "I Had a Weird Thought" sounded interesting from the title and the content was a let down as its all based on a thought in your head and no refference material for any of us to comment on what so ever, how can we debate on a fictious nation thats in your head if we get shot down when comapring it to a real life nation like your home country...LOL

There was nothing to debate, you moron. How many times have I said it? What was posted was only part of a discussion about a fictional government which I hoped to use to further develop the idea. You didn't complain about the lack of information, you complained because the government wasn't perfect and then compared it to nations which are organized in a completely different way.

Also, I think it's funny how you couldn't understand the nation without using real life comparisons. I thought you were creative?

Depends on the planet. The Earth's core is a solid ball of nickel and iron.

How do you know that for sure... Have we ever dug that far ?... And if you compress a rock hard enough doesn't it create a Gem ?, the pressure at the centre of the Earth must be massive... Oh and what causes Iron or Nickel to have Lava surround by rock and earth on the outter edge ?... I dunno... it all sounds like your working off of science and speculation to me...

No we haven't dug that far but we have these things called scientific instruments that allow us to detect things that would not otherwise be known to us.

Compressing "a rock" does not create a gem, it has to be a certain kind of element or mineral. A diamond, for example, is highly compressed carbon.

What causes iron and nickel to be surrounded by rock? Well, you know, iron and nickel is heavier than the common elements in our crust, such as silicon, and so they sink to the bottom and become solid at the core because of the enormous pressure. Further out the pressure is not as enormous and so the matter at that level remains liquid. Further out lighter elements such as silicon become more common, and eventually you come to the surface where the pressure and temperature is extremely low and where things solidify, creating a crust.

It all sounds like I am working off of science, eh? Well I am. You are working off of soft science fiction and speculation. Who is more likely to be right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_core

The inner core is the deepest of the distinct layers of the earth. The inner core is composed primarily of a nickel-iron alloy combined with some unknown elements[1].

Unkown elements, could they be organic... I mean some thing had to have created the Magama ?

Perhaps you should have read the references of that. According to this site:

We conclude on the basis of these comparisons that the inner core contains a substantial fraction of elements lighter than iron.

That means that the iron-nickel core has more impurities than previously thought, not that there is some mysterious element in there. The temperature down there, by the way, is thousands of degrees.

Planets form out of dust cloud that surround tars when they first form. They are not born.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/10/hubble_dusts/

Immanuel Kant was right: planets are formed from disks of dusty debris swirling around stars. NASA says images taken by the Hubble Space Telescope finally confirm Kant's prediction, made over 200 years ago.

So how was the first planet made or the first star...?  Or come to think of it the dust, and what gave the dust momentum in the first place ? (This is very chicken and the Egg for a Topic about Gaia)

That isn't a chicken or egg question, and the origin of the universe has is not pertinent in a topic about a hypothesized globe-spanning organism unless you believe that a divine being created everything the way it is, in which case the argument would end right there.

Planets don't have a purpose.

So why did God Bother making them, he could have given us Space wings and Special Space lungs instead I guess... Every thing has a Purpose...

Planets don't have a purpose. They are the result of physical laws that are also without purpose. They just are.

What if just like the Dust Planets get drawn together to form some thing even bigger...? Then they may have a Purpose... "If some thing is... then they are, thus they have a purpose to belong" They you go I just made a Hi-cue type thingy...

No you didn't. It is nonsensical babble. Dust planets don't form into anything but planets, unless you mean a brown dwarf.

Saying a planet has no purpose is like saying a rock has no purpose, saying that could be interpreted you know very little on geology... And some rocks like the Lime Stone serve great needs... So to does our planet to us it servers every thing we need so there by has a purpose...

A planet has no inherent purpose like a knife or a spoon does. Your comment about geology shows, well, how ignorant you are about the subject.

What if every living thing has a Purpose and we all have Gaia running through us and when we die it joins the Gaia stream of every planet or the universe its self... WHat if Gaia is what creates the ddust that creates the planets that spawn and maintain life... What if we are a single link in that chain, we live we reproduce we die and add to the Gaia flow... LIFE CREATES LIFE...

You like to ask a bunch of unanswerable what if questions? What if my cat was actually two cats that switched places with each other, and every time I let one out the other would come in later? What if Napoleon like Italian food? What if you left your kitchen light on last night?

What does Lolarious mean ?... I have checked the English Dictionary site with no result...
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/lolarious

left = right?

If you go left long enough you will end up in the same places as if you went right, just takes a little longer.

Gaia is more acceptable to me than the thought of a higher power like a GOD or almighty enterty, and I have not ruled out that there is some sort of God, so Gaia falls in to the realm of holding some weight.  I am not saying its as solid as the keyboard I am using right now, its some thing that will sit at the back of my mind and I will ponder about every now and then, in my "What if" like senario's I like so much.

Also I think I would like to think the Earth is self aware to a degree, its an amazing planet that I have a great respect for.  Native American Indians and other religions, cults, sects etc, have worshipped the Earth and its spirt for years, who's to say what they worshipping all this time hasn't been Gaia or a form of.

I think we know very little about our planet and it will be unfair either way to say one thing is fact over the other.

What you have in this debate is:-

Is the Earth a Large Rock in Space with a Solid Core with all the elements to sustain human life and thats it.

Or

Is the Earth a collective organisium with a Gaia stream consently keeping an equalibrium of life.

My Choice is not to rule out the replacement of Or with an And:-

The Earth a Large Rock with a mass of collective organisiums in Space with a Solid Core and a Gaia stream consently keeping an equalibrium of life along with all the elements to sustain human life.

Why not... It's a nice thought. (May not be correct, by neither is the Bible, some would say)

I agree with you. I do believe in God, but, to be honest, Gaia seems more...erm...real?

Going back to an earlier reply, Humans can be considered as more then a rash on the Earth. We are destroying the Ozone layer, heating up the planet and using up all the natural resources. All of these things are leading to the death of living organisms. I very much doubt the planet, if there is a Gaia, would want be a dead planet as such. Saying that, I doubt some great big 'gaia-created' monsters are going to come from the ground and stop us either.

Regards,
Darico

PS. Jesus Hitler, stay the hell out of the Intelligent Debate forum if you have nothing intelligent to say. And no, the words 'Retard' and 'fuck' arn't intelligent. Also, you shouldn't just out-right disagree with someone without giving a reason.

Going back to an earlier reply, Humans can be considered as more then a rash on the Earth. We are destroying the Ozone layer, heating up the planet and using up all the natural resources. All of these things are leading to the death of living organisms. I very much doubt the planet, if there is a Gaia, would want be a dead planet as such. Saying that, I doubt some great big 'gaia-created' monsters are going to come from the ground and stop us either.

Regards,
Darico

PS. Jesus Hitler, stay the hell out of the Intelligent Debate forum if you have nothing intelligent to say. And no, the words 'Retard' and 'fuck' arn't intelligent. Also, you shouldn't just out-right disagree with someone without giving a reason.

I agree with that. Not neccesarily the P.S(lol) but the first paragraph.

PS. Jesus Hitler, stay the hell out of the Intelligent Debate forum if you have nothing intelligent to say. And no, the words 'Retard' and 'fuck' arn't intelligent. Also, you shouldn't just out-right disagree with someone without giving a reason.

My posts are more intelligent than yours.

PS kill yourself

No there not. You just quote people and tell them to fuck off.

Yeah, you never actually add anything to any thread.

PS. Jesus Hitler, stay the hell out of the Intelligent Debate forum if you have nothing intelligent to say. And no, the words 'Retard' and 'fuck' arn't intelligent. Also, you shouldn't just out-right disagree with someone without giving a reason.

My posts are more intelligent than yours.

PS kill yourself

*bursts into hysterical laughter*

He did say this was all speculation did he not? So shruging it off as fake is somewhat out of place... considering LoS said it probably is, like he said God.

Do you geniuses ever read anything I write or do you skim it until you come to an insult? You are the ones who add nothing to a thread because all you do is post horse shit and jerk each other off with agreements. You are offended because I crash your fuck fest with the truth, not because I curse.

You don't offend me, I just ignore you. Your insults aren't hard to find, as there everywhere.

You don't offend me, I just ignore you. Your insults aren't hard to find, as there everywhere.

WHy di you ignore me if you aren't offended?

I ignore you because you completley dismiss other peoples ideas without saying why. You don't offend me personnaly.

Maybe he just thinks of you as a

retard

. Afterall, why shouldn't he?

I ignore you because you completley dismiss other peoples ideas without saying why. You don't offend me personnaly.

If you would read my posts instead of scrolling past them looking for posts that say "I agree!" you would see that I don't dismiss them without saying why.

Maybe he just thinks of you as a

retard

. Afterall, why shouldn't he?

 

That means that the iron-nickel core has more impurities than previously thought, not that there is some mysterious element in there. The temperature down there, by the way, is thousands of degrees.

Iron melts at approx 1535... SO if the centre of the Earth is that hot then how comes the centre is solid ?

I can question Science for as long as you can post FACTS when you admitted your self we have not been down that far, its all speculation based on common laws, but who's to say common laws should apply.

And if you are using Common Law then why isn't the centre of the Earth a Giant Gem, I mean a crystal or Gem is more likely to withstand those temperatures.

Just for the reason of me questioning Scinece and whats documented as Fact does not make me a Retard.

When you are being creative you must turn off the part of your brain that says "hey, this isn't possible!" because all of your creative output (on this forum) is fucking goofy and full of impossibilities.

Your following whats written again to be FACT and swallowing it... All I am doing is giving What if's... Yes those Facts you read are more plausable and founded/grounded than my Cloudy little dreams, but who's to know for sure about the planet.

This is how I look at it, every thing that comes out of the ground / Earth has some propities of life, Life creates life, so is the planet alive ?

You say a Rock cannot live... Well done.  You could be right, but how borring is that.

And once again, it has nothing to do with whether or not the idea of a globe-spanning organism is possible.

I am actually saying why stop at the Globe... why not consider Gaia is in every thing, the whole Universe.  A Divine Energy stream that binds every thing together.

Just because someone writes about it in a fucking story does not mean that they believe in it.

No... But its still a thought many have had... I have always had a niggle in my mind saying there is a reason for living and dieing, and my gut tells me there is no one God... I think every body has the same niggle that there is more than we can actually see and touch to this world.  And what if just one of those things is Gaia.

The ice ages were climatic changes that occurred slowly enough for creatures to adapt to the new environment.

What does Massive Climate change bring with it ?... A whole heap of natural disaters, fair enough the Ice age may not be classed as a Natural Disaster in terms written in doctrin, but to us, as a Human Race its going to see the end of many of our days.  Try watching the day after tomorrow, much of that film is based loosely on Climate change and the effects a few degree's could make to the golf stream.

The dinosaurs weren't killed by an ice age you retard.

Debate-able... Some say it was a commet...  Some say their own Farts killed them:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/855813.stm
Climate change is also some thing thats being debated:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dino_prog_summary.shtml

So who's to know, again your basing what is written on speculation... Nobody was about at that time, nobody knows for sure... Dinosaurs are Cold blooded, just like other reptiles they need heat to live, and to keep body sizes of their size warm mass heat would be needed, just 10degree's less than normal (for a prolonged period of time) could have killed them off.

Also, I think it's funny how you couldn't understand the nation without using real life comparisons. I thought you were creative?

I think I did make up a race of I Octi-Ped people, and based your idea on that and said Yes inderpendant leaders are needed...LOL

Perhaps you should have read the references of that. According to this site:

Thats a Loinanqualtrual site and can't be trusted... (See I can make up stupid words that mean bugger all in favour of my arguement)... To be honest I don't do Equations based on common physics to predict what the Earth is made out of on a daily basis, so to read it and try to understand it and then treat it as gospel would be wrong, and to take their word as correct based on speculation would also be wrong.

It all sounds like I am working off of science, eh? Well I am. You are working off of soft science fiction and speculation. Who is more likely to be right?

The Human Brain has not been fully explored, may be we are preprogrammed to know there is more to life than we can see or touch, hence why we endure life rather than walk around think there is no point.  So I would go with the power of the Human mind over scince any day.

Planets don't have a purpose. They are the result of physical laws that are also without purpose. They just are.

Oh... really... thats your opinion, there-fore it is... I don't care if thats common laws of the universe or what ever else your going to throw at us... The Planet Serves a need there fore it has a purpose, may be not to the great grand scheeme of things if we blink into nothingness, but if we go on as an energy force who is to say the planets and the cosmos is pointless.

Your comment about geology shows, well, how ignorant you are about the subject.

Merh...My dogs bigger than yours and my Dad's harder... Blah... Whatever... If your saying add great pressure to a rock and you get a Gem, but for some reason allpy the same to the Earth and you get solid Iron, I don't see how I am being at all Ignorant for contradicting the phyisics behind that equation.

You like to ask a bunch of unanswerable what if questions? What if my cat was actually two cats that switched places with each other, and every time I let one out the other would come in later? What if Napoleon like Italian food? What if you left your kitchen light on last night?

At least my What if's are Topic matter... And can you prove them otherwise, no, thats why your being so narrow minded about the whole thing and trying to give me a scinece lesson... Scince is always being disproven and re-written... One day, when we drill to the centre of the Earth and no for sure whats there then and only then will I know for sure whats at the centre... I am not going to take some ones word for it, thats just being a plain Lemming.

Challenge Every thing... Thats what the PS2 and Sony taught me... LOL

ataraxy2 - One + REP point for you...LOL

Jesus Hitler... I can see your point of view on the whole thing and many of the arguements you rasied have more backing than my half baked ones... Your more right than me... But at the same time to close your mind to any thing other than documented ideas is in its self Ignorant.

Igrnorant is being Narrow minded.

Anywhom...

Maybe we should look into the whole 'Ice-age' thing a bit further. As the planet warms up, the ice caps melt. This rising water will put many cities underwater. Places like London, New York and other places next to water, be it the sea or a river, will be flooded on a mass scale. Almost 60% of life of the planet will die. Even aqautic creatures because of the rise in temperature. Then what happens? Well, the gulf stream needs salt in it to 'work' as such. Such a high level of non-salty water being released into the oceans will disrupt the water-salt balance and the gulf stream will stop.

This would result in the east of america and the whole of England and also many parts of Europe having a sharp temperature drop. The temperatures will continue to drop rapidly and the planet falls into a ice-age world wide. The heat will take many centuries to melt the ice and 'restore' the balance. Many people think this is a way of the planet healing its self. It is speculated that after a ice-age that the planet will be 'clean'. Meaning that things like the Ozone layer would be repaired, and CO₂ would be back to it's natural levels. Gaia at work? Who knows. This would happen with or without human involvment in the form of CO₂, but we manage to greatly speed it up. Many scientists have proven that ice-ages happen every so often in an almost exact difference in years between one ice-age and the next. We are already late for our next one.

Regards,
Darico

You beat me to it Darico. I was about to mention that and there isn't anything Jesus Hitler can really argue against it as scientists agree - and him refusing to ever ponder if they are wrong will instantly take it as fact.