http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/microsofts-courier-digital-journal-exclusive-pictures-and-de/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/microsofts-courier-digital-journal-exclusive-pictures-and-de/)
I like the sound of this better than the iPad.
I think I made a thread on this last September.
I think it's much better than the iPad. This is something I would totally buy and use often. It would be extremely helpful in my work. It's an excellent planner.
The Courier and the iPad seem to target completely different audiences. I don't fall into the college student student/professional graphic designer audience it seems to target. I can't really say anything. It's still hard to tell from these videos, because it's not showing the device actually being used. If it does what it appears to do well, then this would be pretty neat to have for some things, but not things I do.
Also,
Quote from: grafikal on September 24, 2009, 12:44:19 AM
Not even a real demo. No live persons. Just commentary on the video and some computer graphics, so I'm not impressed by it, but the idea is nice.
:mad:
It must be really weird that people do things that irock doesn't do.
I'm just saying it doesn't really appeal to me because it targets a different audience. :]
It would be priceless for the working environment.
My gripe with the iPad is its OS (come on, we had tablets running Windows XP 8 years ago) and thus its ridiculous locked down bullshit.
A free and more open environment would catapult it into relevancy. As it stands now, it literally just is a big, cumbersome ipod.
This Courier I don't like too much either since it runs windows CE and not an XP or a lightweight win 7 environment (7 can run fine on many netbooks, come on microsoft), but it will undoubtedly be more open and less restricted than apple's offering, and thus more awesome :)
Plus since it folds it's actually portable. I could fit that thing in my coat's inside pocket :)
You don't seem to understand that having a full blown OS on a touch screen device isn't what most people want. They want an OS that is designed with that specific device in mind, one that takes full advantage of its capabilities and isn't just a plain mess. There's barely any noticeable advantages to running XP, Vista, or Windows 7 on a touch screen device. It would be much easier to use a mouse or trackpad. The thing that impresses me about this device is the OS. It seems to be brilliantly designed to act like a real "journal", and it seems to do it well.
I'd be repulsed by this product if it had a desktop/laptop OS on it. This is the part of Microsoft that gets it. :]
Why do you keep talking as if Windows cannot work well on a tablet? Even as long as 9 years ago additional tablet editions or addons have existed. They work fine. Windows 7 can support multiple touch. Heck, any version of windows can support multiple touch, you just need to write a HID driver for your touch screen.
How would windows not be able to "take full advantage of its capabilities"?. It is the other way around - you are severely limited on the iPad, you are forced into only what Apple wants you to do on it. You do not have free choice of what you may do with your iPad (even if it is within the device's capabilities).
This isn't a tablet. It's basically a touchscreen journal/scrapbook/filekeeper.
It doesn't work well on a tablet, IMO. Even if you think it does, operating systems like that on the Courier and the iPad work better for those devices. Windows WORKS on a multi-touch device, but it does not WORK WELL on a multi-touch device, at least not compared to the other options. If you want to trade and endless amount of programs and features (99.9% of which don't even take advantage of multi-touch in any way) for a proper multi-touch interface, that's your decision. But most people don't want to run Windows and encode a video on their tablet-like device. They want something tailored to their needs. They want to cut out part of an image and flick it over to their project in a way that feels natural.
Most people don't mind application stores at all, or not being able to install patches to change their interface, or whatever you want to do. Most people are happy with the way it is. Even if you're not, you can always jailbreak your device. You know what you're buying when you buy it, and if you don't want to buy it, you don't have to buy it. The very fact devices like the iPad and Courier appeal to so many people shows that the designers are doing it right.
If I wanted a large format design like the iPad's, I would much prefer the WePad (http://www.stern.de/digital/computer/wepad-a-fresh-alternative-to-apples-ipad-1553767.html).
(https://rmrk.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FWftph.jpg&hash=208ceb3c05aeac1f6822bb42e2acdd801705e99b)
- Very similar size.
- Higher resolution screen, and unlike the iPad's, it is actually widescreen.
- USB Ports.
- SD slot, put in a 32/64GB SD card if you like (hint, apple, 40GB of memory chips do not cost $200. Stop scamming your users).
- x86 processor - can run any flavour of linux, can also run Android, and can run windows. You may very likely even get OSX running on it.
- Has a camera, unlike the iPad.
- You can of course view flash content.
Why are you going on about the iPad? This topic is about the Courier. I guess you're trying to troll me or something, or you just don't want to say something bad about a Microsoft product. :police:
Apologies for discussing tablets in a thread about a new tablet device that will be competing with said tablets.
But you're talking about why you don't want an iPad and discussing what you'd prefer over the iPad. The topic is about the courier. :)
I think we've established that a dump in a coffee filter is better than the iPad. Let's move past it.
Quote from: Irock on March 25, 2010, 07:41:31 PM
Windows WORKS on a multi-touch device, but it does not WORK WELL on a multi-touch device, at least not compared to the other options.
Tell me, where did you gather this statement?
Quote from: Sophist on March 27, 2010, 02:59:02 AM
Quote from: Irock on March 25, 2010, 07:41:31 PM
Windows WORKS on a multi-touch device, but it does not WORK WELL on a multi-touch device, at least not compared to the other options.
Tell me, where did you gather this statement?
Experience.
So does that mean from your bad experience that all tablets do not run windows well?
My experience with Windows on touch screen devices. If I had to describe it in one word, that would be clunky. I prefer something like iPhone OS and (from what I can tell) Courier's OS.
I didn't ask you to describe it in one word. You didn't answer the question.
I gathered my statement.
QuoteTell me, where did you gather this statement?
From my experience with windows on touch screen devices.
Quote from: Irock on March 27, 2010, 03:39:38 AM
My experience with Windows on touch screen devices. If I had to describe it in one word, that would be clunky. I prefer something like iPhone OS and (from what I can tell) Courier's OS.
I think the Courier looks really nice and I would love one. I also really like styluses. :]
Also, I agree with Roph; the stupid restrictions that Apple puts on the App store is absurd.
The first question was answered, the second was the one that was not.
Quote from: Sophist on March 27, 2010, 07:37:47 AM
The first question was answered, the second was the one that was not.
I have not used every tablet in the world that runs Windows.
Quote from: SirJackRex on March 27, 2010, 07:37:28 AM
Also, I agree with Roph; the stupid restrictions that Apple puts on the App store is absurd.
Like what?
It's therefore inconclusive to say that tablets don't run windows well because you've only had bad experiences with a few.
Just as inconclusive to say that you dislike raw oysters when you've only eaten them a few times.
That's a terrible analogy.
Just as terrible of an analogy as comparing a heart to a pump.
You don't need to use every single multi-touch Windows device in the world to conclude that Windows doesn't go well with multi-touch devices, and you don't have to eat raw oysters from every restaurant in the world to conclude you don't like them. :]
That is indeed a terrible analogy.
Irock, just shut up. You're making it worse. :mad:
Making it worse as Martin Luther King Jr. made African American civil rights worse.
Making it worse as Obama made the United States worse.
Quote from: chewey on March 27, 2010, 08:41:44 PM
Making it worse as Obama made the United States worse.
lol
You don't seem to take into account the chance of having eaten a bad or poorly cooked oyster, and you don't seem to acknowledge the fact that you may have just used a poorly made Windows Tablet. I love oysters, but I've had plenty of shitty ones.
Apple has a ton of restrictions on the App Store, and will ban an application at will. Google Voice was banned for who knows what; probably because AT&T didn't like the idea of free calls. A guy got his app taken off the day after he said he disliked the App Store or something to that effect. Apple can remotely delete or disable any data on an iPad at will. Go ahead Irock, give me a reason as to why this is acceptable.
Quote from: SirJackRex on March 28, 2010, 04:12:41 AM
You don't seem to take into account the chance of having eaten a bad or poorly cooked oyster, and you don't seem to acknowledge the fact that you may have just used a poorly made Windows Tablet. I love oysters, but I've had plenty of shitty ones.
Raw oysters are not cooked. I have eaten them dozens of times and they've all tasted somewhat the same. The chances of eating a few bad batches of oysters in a row is terribly rare. By your (and anski's) logic, it's impossible to have an acceptable opinion on any product because your experiences could have just been bad because of several other factors. The same argument could be applied to anything. There's a much greater chance that Windows doesn't work well on any multi-touch device or that oysters don't satisfy your taste.
Me: "I ate dirt twice and concluded that dirt isn't tasty."
You: "YEAH WELL THE DIRT IN THOSE AREAS COULD HAVE BEEN BAD. YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT CONCLUSION."
Me: "I've viewed his artwork many times on my computer and in some museums, but I just don't like it"
You: "YEAH WELL MAYBE YOUR COMPUTER MONITOR ISN'T GOOD OR THE LIGHTING IN THE MUSEUMS WAS BAD"
Give it up. Your argument is bullshit. The issue was not the hardware.
Quote from: SirJackRex on March 28, 2010, 04:12:41 AM
Apple has a ton of restrictions on the App Store, and will ban an application at will. Google Voice was banned for who knows what; probably because AT&T didn't like the idea of free calls. A guy got his app taken off the day after he said he disliked the App Store or something to that effect.
In the submitted Google Voice application, the iPhone user's entire Contacts database was transferred to Google's servers. Apple did not receive assurance from Google that the data would only be used in appropriate ways.
The large majority of application rejections are due to bugs or quality issues, while others are rejected in order to protect user privacy, safeguarding users (mostly children) from inappropriate content, and avoiding applications that degrade the iPhone experience. When applications are rejected, Apple even gives feedback to the developers on how to fix the issue so the problems can be worked out and the application can be resubmitted for approval.
I highly doubt someone got their application removed for saying they don't like the application store.
Quote from: SirJackRex on March 28, 2010, 04:12:41 AM
Apple can remotely delete or disable any data on an iPad at will. Go ahead Irock, give me a reason as to why this is acceptable.
They can? Does that have anything to do with Apple's MobileMe? The features that allows you to locate your lost phone on a map, passcode lock your lost/stolen phone remotely, remotely display a message or play a sound on your lost/stolen phone, and remotely wipe the data on your stolen phone? Those demons, and to think they brought that to the iPad. They might wipe your data if you tell them your iPad has been stolen and that there's confidential information on there that you want erased. Damn them to hell.
I think it's kind of sad that Irock seems to genuinely try really hard to make a point, and always either fails completely or just falls short of making sense.
Irock, you might actually be able to make a decent argument someday if you can get past your blind allegiance to Apple.
Irock, I really don't think you are able to judge the quality of multi-touch support on Microsoft products with such limited experience :(
sorry pal
I love the journal design of this; it kind of reminds me of the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I wonder if painting "DON'T PANIC" on it would void the warranty....
Tablets from different vendors are far more variable in quality than oysters. To say the issue is not the hardware is to assume the tablets' problems were not the touch screen, just Windows.
All I said is that they have banned apps at will, nothing about being rejected based on quality. Nine Inch Nails got an update for their app rejected numerous times, on the basis that it didn't contain any content. It was however, a vital patch that fixed a bug that international users experienced.
Also, I don't even see why you continue you deny the possibility of the Courier being good.
Quote from: SirJackRex on March 28, 2010, 07:05:27 AM=
Tablets from different vendors are far more variable in quality than oysters. To say the issue is not the hardware is to assume the tablets' problems were not the touch screen, just Windows.
The touch screens I've used have worked fine. It was not a touch screen or speed problem. The issue is that the Windows operating system is not designed fully with multi-touch in mind. You get a totally richer experience with operating systems like the iPhone OS and hopefully the Courier.
Quote from: SirJackRex on March 28, 2010, 07:05:27 AM
All I said is that they have banned apps at will, nothing about being rejected based on quality.
Nine Inch Nails got an update for their app rejected numerous times, on the basis that it didn't contain any content. It was however, a vital patch that fixed a bug that international users experienced.
From what I have read, the update was rejected because of objectionable content, specifically these lyrics (http://www.metrolyrics.com/closer-lyrics-nine-inch-nails.html).
Quote from: SirJackRex on March 28, 2010, 07:05:27 AM
Also, I don't even see why you continue you deny the possibility of the Courier being good.
How stupid are you? Have you not read ANY of this thread at all? I've said nothing but positive things about the courier this entire thread. I even applauded Microsoft. The only thing I've said that could be considered negative toward the Courier is that it really isn't for me. You just assume I'm like you and loves everything one company does and hates everything a competing company does. I respect quality products for what they are, not for the brand name.
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Quote from: Irock on March 25, 2010, 12:47:23 AMIf it does what it appears to do well, then this would be pretty neat to have for some things
Quote from: Irock on March 25, 2010, 06:51:57 PMThe thing that impresses me about this device is the OS. It seems to be brilliantly designed to act like a real "journal", and it seems to do it well.
I'd be repulsed by this product if it had a desktop/laptop OS on it. This is the part of Microsoft that gets it. :]
Quote from: Irock on March 25, 2010, 07:41:31 PM
The very fact devices like the iPad and Courier appeal to so many people shows that the designers are doing it right.
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Illiterate nitwit.
lol touchpad devices.
also I don't think lyrics should be grounds for rejection, but that's a totally different discussion.