So, religions any of you? Which are they and why do you believe in them?
As many of you know I'm an atheist, due mostly to the utter lack of evidence for God. I was, however, raised as a Fundamentalist Christian and my parents are still under the impression that I am one (haha!).
Also in this thread I intend on ripping apart your silly arguments for why you believe in God or whatever else, but it seems that this topic is more suited for General Chat nonetheless as its primary function is as a survey of sorts. Mods forgive me if you do not agree!
In before drama >_>
But that'll add to the lol.
I'm an Agnostic, because I really don't care either way. All signs point to "no", but if there ends up being a god, well congratulations God.
i'm an athiest
mostly because i don't want to beleive in any of the religions because if god is so insecure that he needs ppl worshipping him then idk if i really want a god
also all religions have at least one flaw in them find me a perfect releigion that explains and proves everything and i will follow that
i beleive in alot of the scientific stuff because while they don't know shit at least they prove what they know
<3 this topic. ~I'm an atheist, due mostly to the utter lack of evidence for God~
New Id rules say you can't start religious wars but there's nothing saying you can't start one here, have fun.
I'm an honest christian :)
Quote from: Rasse on May 27, 2007, 08:19:26 AM
I'm an honest christian :)
QuoteWhich are they and why do you believe in them?
Learn to read fucktard.
I'm a Christian because like the Bible says Jesus came to earth and died for my sins and rose again three days later and everything the Bible says is true so he must have, right? That's why I'm a Christian.
I was sorta agonistic. But after see this doco i've changed my mind! Watch it. it is very interesting. Are we living in the matrix?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7044753105944203252&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7044753105944203252&hl=en)
Have fun!
:lol:
Quote from: Kevin on May 27, 2007, 07:09:34 AM
I'm an Agnostic, because I really don't care either way. All signs point to "no", but if there ends up being a god, well congratulations God.
Quote from: Pyromaniac on May 28, 2007, 02:59:41 AM
I was sorta agonistic. But after see this doco i've changed my mind! Watch it. it is very interesting. Are we living in the matrix?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7044753105944203252&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7044753105944203252&hl=en)
Have fun!
:lol:
Wow, 50 minutes of taking a bunch of un-evidenced theories, sluting them up and speaking of them as fact. YEH THAT WAS A REAL EYE OPENER
An answer that tells us we came from something that evolved, whoever that is, is adding complexity to an idea when a simpler explanation exists. If a creator exists, it evolved. If it evolved by itself then we can do it too, making a creator an extra, unneeded step.
Ok. But anything like this is unprovable. religion is unprovable. It is unprovable that we just exist. How do we just exist? If you can tell me that then I'll listen to whatever you have to say.
Saucy, I love you, but you're so predictable. As soon as someone said they were anything but athiest or agnostic, you started in on them.
Christian.
I was grown up in a Christian household, for the most part, and I assume that attributes to why I am a Christian... but it's more than that.
My Dad never was a Christian when I lived with him, but a few years ago he finally became one. I've seen him change so much ever since he has became one. He's changed for the far better. It touches me, and... eh. I really have no idea "why I am a Christian." I just believe.
Quote from: Kate on May 27, 2007, 08:45:29 AM
Quote from: Rasse on May 27, 2007, 08:19:26 AM
I'm an honest christian :)
QuoteWhich are they and why do you believe in them?
Learn to read fucktard.
Quote from: Paul on May 27, 2007, 06:54:26 AM
In before drama >_>
*Saucy
Oh Holkeye beat me to it. But he's right.
Quote from: Kevin on May 27, 2007, 07:09:34 AM
I'm an Agnostic, because I really don't care either way. All signs point to "no", but if there ends up being a god, well congratulations God.
Me2.
lol....Im not really formal but I do believe in a creator or God. The universe is just too complex for it to come out of something like a "big bang". So some higher form must have created and planned it...thats just my opinion
I was a Buddhist, gone Atheist. Actually Buddhism is Atheist but I don't believe in anything about it anymore, and also the fact that 70% of Buddhists have no idea what it is. Like most religions people end up worshiping Prophets rather than the original intended gods. I only respect those who know their religions.
QuoteOk. But anything like this is unprovable. religion is unprovable. It is unprovable that we just exist. How do we just exist? If you can tell me that then I'll listen to whatever you have to say.
Yes, unprovable at the moment, so you take the simplest explanation as the most likely. A "god" is not the simpler answer, it's an added, unneeded step. It
may have happened, but it's not the most likely choice.
A BETTER RESPONSE TO THIS WOULD BE, YEH, RELIGION IS UNPROVABLE BUT SO IS SANTA CLAUSE YOU FUCK. You take the most likely explanations.
QuoteSaucy, I love you, but you're so predictable. As soon as someone said they were anything but athiest or agnostic, you started in on them.
I take no dogmatic stance on anything, I believe (at the current time) what has evidence in it's surrounds, the god theory has evidence against it, not just lack of. It's not my fault that what I believe happens to put me in the appearance of a stereotypical stance because I believe in them for the right reasons, science is not just another faith I switched to. I would believe in the supernatural if shown evidence of it, as all real atheists would.
Quote*Saucy
Oh Holkeye beat me to it. But he's right.
So arlen... Do you take the agnostic view on the Flying Spaghetti Monster..?
QuoteI only respect those who know their religions.
Love it. It's lack of understanding that brings most people to their current religious beliefs...
Quote from: Rodney on May 28, 2007, 11:27:52 PM
lol....Im not really formal but I do believe in a creator or God. The universe is just too complex for it to come out of something like a "big bang". So some higher form must have created and planned it...thats just my opinion
and just what might have created some higher being even more complex than the universe? did it just suddenly exist? isn't that EXACTLY what your inturpretation of the big bang is? think about what you say before you say it dumbass
not only that but the big bang isn't creation its just the point where we can't see anything farther back. that doesn't mean its creation what if there was some super highly advanced race that became too powerful too fast and ended up destroying everything? or what if the universe was set out of balance and everything was compressed into an out of control black hole then exploded from the incredible pressure? there are so many possible things the big bang could be you can't possibly think there is any way of knowing what it really was
Quote from: Sabre_of_Pain on May 29, 2007, 02:51:54 AM
Quote from: Rodney on May 28, 2007, 11:27:52 PM
lol....Im not really formal but I do believe in a creator or God. The universe is just too complex for it to come out of something like a "big bang". So some higher form must have created and planned it...thats just my opinion
and just what might have created some higher being even more complex than the universe? did it just suddenly exist? isn't that EXACTLY what your inturpretation of the big bang is? think about what you say before you say it dumbass
not only that but the big bang isn't creation its just the point where we can't see anything farther back. that doesn't mean its creation what if there was some super highly advanced race that became too powerful too fast and ended up destroying everything? or what if the universe was set out of balance and everything was compressed into an out of control black hole then exploded from the incredible pressure? there are so many possible things the big bang could be you can't possibly think there is any way of knowing what it really was
Well said, I missed that part. A theory doesn't have to explain
everything in order to be correct. The bigbang theory states that it was a bigbang that started the universe, it does
not say what caused the bigbang nor try to explain its cause, for that is the job of another theory to explain. The bigbang theory has been shown correct.
I don't know why religious types oppose the bigbang theory, it doesn't go against god directly... Couldn't they just say that god caused the bigbang..? ::)
hey saucy you ever watched jesus camp? it's the best religious comedy ever. it wasn't intended to be a comedy and most people don't think its funny but i personally love watching idiots and their stupid ways. i loved her speech on harry potter it was the best part of the movie. man, i laughed so hard at that, what a total dumbass. she was getting all worked up about a fantasy book character.
I thought it was pretty funny in Jesus Camp when she was praying for her powerpoint presentation and praying that it wouldn't crash <3.
I thought it was funny when after seeing the film I looked up that Ted Haggard guy online (the head pastor / leader whatever of their religious group) and it turns out he's been secretly doing drugs and hiring / having sex with male prostitutes. LOL.
Saucy:
I think what Holkeye was talking about was that every time someone even so much as mentions religion, you immediately find out what their beliefs are and ritualistically assault them, berate them, and attack their own beliefs.
Why does it bother you so much? Are you trying to save us from being wrong about God, or something? Looking for more people to believe in what you believe, so you don't feel so alone?
At times, I think you're about as annoying as any other Jesus freak that comes trying to persuade us to believe in his savior. Just as pushy. Just as irritating. Just as annoying.
Give it a rest.
I agree with the tree.
Quote from: Ryan on May 29, 2007, 05:47:10 AM
Saucy:
I think what Holkeye was talking about was that every time someone even so much as mentions religion, you immediately find out what their beliefs are and ritualistically assault them, berate them, and attack their own beliefs.
Why does it bother you so much? Are you trying to save us from being wrong about God, or something? Looking for more people to believe in what you believe, so you don't feel so alone?
At times, I think you're about as annoying as any other Jesus freak that comes trying to persuade us to believe in his savior. Just as pushy. Just as irritating. Just as annoying.
Give it a rest.
You mean pushing my thought that there is no personal-god in a topic designed exactly for that? That's what this topics about, no?
I rarely do that outside of the debate section, and I do it there because the lack of god is the most likely correct choice and a personal god is an impossibility.
You're still ridiculously overzealous about it.
Give. It. A. Rest.
And I thought this topic was "what religion are you," not "what religion should you be."
Don't take that last part too seriously, I was being facetious.
Quote from: Ryan on May 29, 2007, 06:08:01 AM
You're still ridiculously overzealous about it.
Alright, yes I am.
QuoteGive. It. A. Rest.
And I thought this topic was "what religion are you," not "what religion should you be."
QuoteAlso in this thread I intend on ripping apart your silly arguments for why you believe in God
It's an illegal debate topic so it was put in general chat. {Besides, atheism isn't a religion.} [edit] Wrote this before I saw you're edit.
Stop bitching at each other children.
Let's get back to religion.
lol @ you being 12 hours late
I was raised in a very moderate Chrisitan setting, but thankfully, I rarely had to waste my time attending church. Around the time I entered Middle School, I began to really question my religious beliefs. But, I was still very young, and at the time I did nothing about it.
I was in high school when I realized how much of an impact religion has on society, so I really began to study Christianity, as well as many other religions. I found them to be ridiculously flawed and socially corrupted. The more I looked into it, the more unappealing it became.
Even though I realized that existing religions aren't for me, that didn't necessarily rule out the existence of a God. Around the time I graduated high school, I became very interested in science. Since then, I've studied it fairly extensively, and begun taking courses in college relating to religion and humanity.
Today, I am an atheist, and proud.
lol @ forums not being real-time
Indeed, it is funny when people stop arguing and there's a 12 hour silence, and THEN someone comes in and is all WOAH GUYS CALM DOWN JESUS CHRIST, lol.
Oh you two ~
Whooooooooosh.
When I was young my parents always tried forcing me to church so I would go and sit there wasting my time. Then I made the mistake of actually opening the bible and reading it from page one. Wow didn't think I would laugh before the first page was even done. I've seen enough evidence to not even believe in their god so i guess you could say I'm an Atheist but the thing is, I also don't give a shit about the others, so I guess I'm kind of Agnostic
funny story though, I see millions of people praying and not getting shit, then me, the non Christian sends out a prayer to Mother Gaia and BAM my prayer actually came true ;D
Edit: akk almost forgot to put it in yellow, also, I'm going to bed for now
Quote from: Crested_Booka on May 30, 2007, 06:04:37 AMEdit: akk almost forgot to put it in yellow, also, I'm going to bed for now
I really wish you hadn't remembered.
QuoteThen I made the mistake of actually opening the bible and reading it from page one.
you actaully managed to read the whole thing? i can get into almost any book as long as its written well no matter what its about. but the bible was so incredibly boring i got to about page 10 and decided to stop (fell asleep would be more accurate)
Quote from: Sabre_of_Pain on May 30, 2007, 07:06:35 AM
QuoteThen I made the mistake of actually opening the bible and reading it from page one.
you actually managed to read the whole thing? i can get into almost any book as long as its written well no matter what its about. but the bible was so incredibly boring i got to about page 10 and decided to stop (fell asleep would be more accurate)
No, no I didn't read the whole thing, I read all of Genesis and then my parents finally realized that I didn't want to go to church (I'm surprised it took them that long to figure it out considering I was fighting them about it every Sunday)
I reread what I said and how I said it does seem like i read the whole thing.
I dont remember exactly but I know theres a part somewhere in the bible where Jesus walks up to a fig tree when it is not fig season and he demands a fig. But because its not fig season it doesn't give it to him and he gets pissed and destroys the tree...
damn I wish I could remember what part that was. I'll look for it but first I have to go to class
Quote from: Crested_Booka on May 30, 2007, 12:46:09 PM
I dont remember exactly but I know theres a part somewhere in the bible where Jesus walks up to a fig tree when it is not fig season and he demands a fig. But because its not fig season it doesn't give it to him and he gets pissed and destroys the tree...
damn I wish I could remember what part that was. I'll look for it but first I have to go to class
Are you serious? I don't know if that's entirely accurate or not, but that's still fucking hilarious! I can see that whole scene playing out in my head, and it's in anime...because anime Jesus is way funnier than regular Jesus.
As I recall it's in Matthew or Luke, but I'm not sure.
Both Mark and Matthew, actually. Due to it's closeness to the incident with the money lenders in the temple, it is generally believed to be a metaphor for the Jewish faith. It's kind of a strange story.
The fig tree is all over the gospels though.
found it. (ended up typing in Jesus vs the fig tree to help me find it since I had just finished slow scanning all of Luke and not finding it)
It was a curse actually, and it withers by the next day due to his curse
Mark: 11:12-14
The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it.
I know, I didn't type up the next section that it might symbolize but thats a lot of typing ><
I think that you can draw meaning from just about anything if you try hard enough. Isn't there an old saying that goes something like: "If you look for something hard enough, you're sure to find it"? The most important bible lesson that I can remember is the one about the talents. I learned this story when I was 7 or 8, so I took "talents" to mean just that, rather than money as it was supposed to. I took from this that if there is a god, he wants you to nurture and cultivate the things that you are good at. A lot of the bible is meant to be taken with a grain of salt, and I think as with most things, the more literally it is taken, the farther from the lessons you get. Just as in song lyrics and poetry, you automatically insert yourself into the equation, so everyone has a different view. This is all probably pretty obvious to most of you, but my point is:
Why do people worry so much about what other people believe in if they're doing no harm to you?