Discussions with my girlfriend are always amusing. I believe in the supernatural. Strange things that happen that have no explaination. I don't think they'll ever happen to me at all. She is a strong Christian who believes in God. I do not believe in God, she does not believe in the supernatural. Both are along the same lines.
I point out that the gods of Norse and the Greek have both fallen, and they are "mythology," while Christians are "religion." She understands that they were figments in literature... I bring up what is God then? She brings up what is the supernatural? Overactive imaginations.
So I wanted to bring up are they similar? Are they both figments of imaginations and will they all die off and get written off as mythology in another 1000 years?
I associate the supernatural with folk tales and urban legends, while religion is more a guide to live by. They are similar in a way, because they are both things that can't be proven for the most part. They are different because large groups of people fight and die over religion, as well as many other ways.
Religion and the supernatural are often closely related, but are not tied. A religion can be the worship of a supernatural being, the worship of a 'thing/object' or a following to a principle or certain "way of life". While most religions are tied to occult things, not all of them are.
Your girlfriend on the other hand, depending on her "god", does indeed believe and accept the supernatural as existing. She may have certain biased as to some unnatural occurrences, but she obviously doesn't deny them all.
QuoteI bring up what is God then?
Quite easily explained as a
Supernatural life form, or false title.
QuoteShe brings up what is the supernatural?
Something that exists outside of the laws of nature. No, her god does not fit in with nature, on any level, unless she worships nature as her god.
QuoteI point out that the gods of Norse and the Greek have both fallen, and they are "mythology," while Christians are "religion."
You seem to have a relatively fine grip to the idea of personal gods being fallible, but you still believe in the supernatural? Why?
QuoteSo I wanted to bring up are they similar?
Somewhat.
QuoteAre they both figments of imaginations and will they all die off and get written off as mythology in another 1000 years?
Why should the religions of our generation be so special? More directly, why should YOUR religion be so special? Thousands of faiths have come and past, it's funny how quickly a Christian can point out the obvious flaws, and falsehood of Hinduism, yet they can't see it in their own. Ignorance is bliss, no?
That would make an awesome set up for a novel. Its a couple decades in the future, and a religion has been wiped off the planet, but small sects that remain of it are planning to take down the giant corporations...
Oh wait, this sounds a little too close to what is really happening.
I'm skeptical that as many as thousands of religions have come and gone over the short time we've been on this planet, but the religions of our generation, like Bhudism, Christianity, etc have been around for thousands of years. That's why they are so special.
If you were contesting that your religion of worshiping James Dean or Optimus Prime wasn't special, then I'd agree with you, because it undoubtedly doesn't have millions of followers and has only been around for a maximum of 70 or 20 years.
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By special, I meant correct. You mentioned two religions with opposing ideas, the two are popular but they can't both be correct. As to the numbers; just because the majority of people believe something to be true, doesn't mean it is or is the most likely correct idea. After all, the majority believed the world flat at some stage in history.
I also don't see any difference in these current religions excluding being more popular. With intelligent culture, comes complex religions able to keep us entertained for a longer amount of time.
Religion is just a popular cult.
The differences between religions and cults are sometimes not well defined.
QuoteI'm skeptical that as many as thousands of religions have come and gone over the short time we've been on this planet
Didn't see that part. By religions, I don't mean exclusively major. I think it would be rather naive to think of only spiritual groups with a large following to be classified as a religion, I feel a group with only two members can still be classed as one. As Bio said, it is a difficulty following the line between religion and cult, mainly because of the vague definition of what a 'cult' is. I feel a cult, is just a small religion rather then being something devious in nature.
With the countless, unrecorded tribal faiths going from the first man, I think "thousands" would possibly be underestimating if anything.
Quote from: Deliciously_Saucy on April 20, 2007, 07:22:25 PM
QuoteI'm skeptical that as many as thousands of religions have come and gone over the short time we've been on this planet
I feel a cult, is just a small religion rather then being something devious in nature.
I agree with this, as long as you accept the fact that even parts of big religions are devious in nature.
I can relate an... but it's a friend. My friend is like one of those jesus freaks who are so stubburn when it comes to religion and would be like one of those guys who goes to some other country to tell those people that their religion is stupid and to follow his. He has friends of other religions and when someone asks them about their religion he just has to come in and say that their religion is wrong and everything they believe in is wrong and that Christianity is the only answer... I know not all christians are like that but I think that they think they are right no matter what you say. What happened to tolerance of others belief?
In fact we had a a debate about this and out of the two sides it was him and I who were discussing how religion now adays is starting to attack anything and everything it feels is wrong and not like themselves.
Dont get me wrong, its not that I dont believe that God could be real, it's that the way they try to get you to believe in what they do can be outrages, straight forward, rude, and/or very stubburn like.
Will religion be written off in another 1000 years... I doubt it since supposedly they have many other chapters and books that have yet to be found(written) by people who experienced God/Jesus or by people who hallucinate that there is a voice in their head speaking to them that they like to think is God.
Im done... for now.
Quote from: ChaosSpartan28 on April 20, 2007, 09:00:08 PM
I can relate an... but it's a friend. My friend is like one of those jesus freaks who are so stubburn when it comes to religion and would be like one of those guys who goes to some other country to tell those people that their religion is stupid and to follow his. He has friends of other religions and when someone asks them about their religion he just has to come in and say that their religion is wrong and everything they believe in is wrong and that Christianity is the only answer... I know not all christians are like that but I think that they think they are right no matter what you say. What happened to tolerance of others belief?
Well of course they are subborn put two and two together. They are 100% positive that Christianity (in this case) is correct. If someone were to tell me that I was never born (or that I come out of someone's ass) I think I'd be in denial about it too, I sure as hell wouldn't want to believe either. =/
And all the Christians I know aren't like that. I love the way people perceive other people due to religion, nice.
As for the topic title... I'm not God - I can't say.
I just do not like the idea of every answer for every question you could have can be found in a single book.
Religion is a popular cult yes.
Every answer to every question is not in a single book, in fact the bible leaves many questions. Personally I am a catholic and I believe is God, but I also believe supernatural events may occur as they are not mutually exclusive. In the end it all comes down to faith.
Though I would like to point something out -
God is real because the bible says so
and the bible is correct because God says so
Quote from: Holkeye on April 20, 2007, 05:59:11 PM
Religion is just a popular cult.
So is evolution.
Quote from: lostI just do not like the idea of every answer for every question you could have can be found in a single book.
Evolution again.
If anything, survival of the fittest is devious in nature, claming that everything that lets itself get killed doesn't deserve to live when humans are the only really sentient beings here, and thus have the upper hand on nature itself.
I don't have a problem with atheism, I have a problem with people who claim to know about something that happened when they weren't there.
Quote from: Elegy on April 25, 2007, 01:47:58 AM
I don't have a problem with atheism, I have a problem with people who claim to know about something that happened when they weren't there.
You mean like the stuff in the bible?
No, christians believe that the bible is correct, they don't brand it as indisputable fact.
Quote from: Elegy on April 25, 2007, 08:58:09 AM
No, christians believe that the bible is correct, they don't brand it as indisputable fact.
Lol, wut? Where the fuck have you been? The majority of practicing Christians I've met are indeed arrogant enough to label the bible as "full stop fact".
Then fuck them too.
What did you think the word "believe" meant? Sometimes felt as true?
People believe the easiest thing. What's easier to believe? That God made us or some big bang from nothingness and billions of years of evolution? My girlfriend evolved into a horrible monster (before she was just a princess). She twisted everything around to serve her own purpose.
The easiest way is rarely the correct way, and please don't post about your girlfriend here.
belief is to accept something as truth without having any evidence backing it up.
Quote from: Deliciously_Saucy on April 25, 2007, 09:20:37 AM
Lol, wut? Where the fuck have you been? The majority of practicing Christians I've met are indeed arrogant enough to label the bible as "full stop fact".
I'm sure that's a load of bullshit.
Quote from: Elegy on April 25, 2007, 08:07:39 PM
belief is to accept something as truth without having any evidence backing it up.
No, moron, that's what "faith" means. Belief isn't exclusively believing without evidence. It can pertain to that, but not always... You can have belief based on evidence.
Quote from: ataraxy2 on April 26, 2007, 06:11:04 AM
Quote from: Deliciously_Saucy on April 25, 2007, 09:20:37 AM
Lol, wut? Where the fuck have you been? The majority of practicing Christians I've met are indeed arrogant enough to label the bible as "full stop fact".
I'm sure that's a load of bullshit.
I'm sorry, you'd know this how? I feel that's the very core of religion is believing and backing a certain ideal with all thought and will. The fact that many religions also teach this way of thought is what makes them so dangerous.
[/quote]I'm sorry, you'd know this how? I feel that's the very core of religion is believing and backing a certain ideal with all thought and will. The fact that many religions also teach this way of thought is what makes them so dangerous.
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isnt it only dangerous if the person reads into it too much, like go on a religios killing spree
The Bible is based around the supernatural...
Spirits the after life, Angles, Walking on water, Rising from the dead... Etc...
It's like a oldy style episode of Buffy... And equally as crap.
So basicly your saying if people merged all the fantasy shows we would have the equal of bible?
;8
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Dangerous can have more meanings apart from physical destruction, religion is harmful in many ways, and because children are the results of upbringing and their surroundings, they don't truly have a choice in what they believe, so it's quite incorrect to indoctrinate them with ANY religion.
I agree with DS...
I don't like religion being forced onto people...
I think this topic is one and the same if you follow the bible you have to also follow the supernatural.
Jesus rising from the dead = Zombie
Woman giving birth as a Virgin = Alien Abduction
Drinking Wine as Jesus Blood = Vampire wanna be
Man walks on Water = Levitation
Need I go on ?
Heh, I'm just thinking how much one represents the other. Even though they purged thousands of witches in the name of god, they were no more than witches themselves. (Praying or incantations...hmmm...same thing in my eyes)
Pretty much...LOL
The Bible for some reason has drawn so many, if you break down each story in the Bible and then equate them to modern times...
What if Some one could turn water into whine today ?
They would be seen as an illusionist, not the son of God
What if some one today died and then came bak to life ?
It happens pretty often this day and age
What if some one claimed to be the son of God ?
There are loads of them in Nut Houses world over
Now what if there was some one that had all of the above ?
We would brand them a Mutant and they would be tested on in labs and never seen again
And all of the above shows why the Bible is a Fiction Novel (Some people that are represented within may not be fictional, but the events are)...
Quote from: landofshadows on April 26, 2007, 12:44:41 PM
What if some one today died and then came bak to life ?
It happens pretty often this day and age
I thought ressurections were considered an abomination of God... wasn't Jesus ressurected? Actually I have a logical idea... he might not have been dead when they burried him. The human body is ressiliant. You can look dead... and not be dead.
Or an even better idea, there are blow fish poisons that make you seem like you're dead for days. Whomever threw the spear into the side of Jesus could have been tipped with something like that poison.
I brought that idea up to my girlfriend... yeah she yelled at me and said that idea is crazy, there were no poisonous blow fish around. Yep that's it... so a man just walked out of death for no reason other than he is the son of a God that no one has ever seen or met.
Quote from: lost on May 01, 2007, 06:33:51 PM
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Yeah, either that, or he didn't exist ?_?
Why come up with crazy wild theories when the simpler explanation is that it's all fanaticism?
If you look at something wierd you could say it was from some random occurance or from something or someone with alot of power.
Quote from: cobragamer on May 01, 2007, 08:03:22 PM
If you look at something wierd you could say it was from some random occurance or from something or someone with alot of power.
QFT! You are a god at debating cobragamer.
Quote from: Deliciously_Saucy on April 26, 2007, 09:59:58 AM
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Dangerous can have more meanings apart from physical destruction, religion is harmful in many ways, and because children are the results of upbringing and their surroundings, they don't truly have a choice in what they believe, so it's quite incorrect to indoctrinate them with ANY religion.
Does this include your personal creed or are you just generally biased against everything that you personally don't believe in?
The only dangerous creed to peoples physical and mental health is the one that you follow.
Christianity preaches love towards all life, peace and compassion
Hinduism preaches love towards all life, peace and compassion
Islam preaches love towards all life, peace and compassion
Buddhism preaches docility, compassion and acceptance
Taoism preaches acceptance of everyones personal choice, equality and peace
Shinto preaches respect towards every living thing and tranquility of the mind
Rastafari preaches love between people and peace
Judaism preaches love towards life, peace, acceptance and compassion
Evolution and other forms of atheism preaches that there is no right or wrong, morals are ficticious and as long as you don't get caught, you might as well kill as many people as possible, if they die the didn't deserve to survive anyway because they were weak..
You have to weed out the inferior beings, just like what Hitler believed in.
Even a 4 year old child can see which is the stupid choice here.
Quote from: Elegy on May 02, 2007, 05:44:33 AM
Even a 4 year old child can see which is the stupid choice here.
Yes, believing anything that comes out of that mouth of yours~
No need to respond to that properly, that was pathetic! I'm not here to recycle my already stated opinions, or amuse you. If you would like me to debate you, try posting
before you slit those wrist of yours! That excess blood loss has seemingly made you quite more stupid Elle =)
:o thats harsh lol :tpg:
also elegy Christianity,Hindu ect. may all want the same peace love of others, yet they still think anybody who believes in something else a sin, that is why i don't follow religion.
QuoteChristianity preaches love towards all life, peace and compassion
Hinduism preaches love towards all life, peace and compassion
Islam preaches love towards all life, peace and compassion
Buddhism preaches docility, compassion and acceptance
Taoism preaches acceptance of everyones personal choice, equality and peace
Shinto preaches respect towards every living thing and tranquility of the mind
Rastafari preaches love between people and peace
Judaism preaches love towards life, peace, acceptance and compassion
Evolution and other forms of atheism preaches that there is no right or wrong, morals are ficticious and as long as you don't get caught, you might as well kill as many people as possible, if they die the didn't deserve to survive anyway because they were weak..
All these ideal's have all started wars... All suck about the same as each other... But all hold a little truth in each, every lie does...
Quote from: Deliciously_Saucy on May 02, 2007, 06:26:35 AM
I'm not here to recycle my already stated opinions, or amuse you.
I seriously disagree.
Buddhism, Shinto, Taoism, Rastafari and Hinduism, name one war started in the name of any one of these.
Perhaps this should stay as an intelligent debate? Everyone is allowed to believe what they want, but you shouldn't insult their beliefs or other people here.
QuoteBuddhism, Shinto, Taoism, Rastafari and Hinduism, name one war started in the name of any one of these.
OK blood shed in the name of religion... Like the Buddist who set fire to him-self for example...
hmm im starting to see a pattern in elegys posts, it seems more to be about making the debate hard to continue by asking sometimes good
others just plain stupid questions.... im not sure what hes asking now ???
Elegy has been re-banned from the Intelligent Debate forum. :)
praise silverline, praise him all of you ;8
Quote from: landofshadows on May 02, 2007, 08:41:11 AM
QuoteChristianity preaches love towards all life, peace and compassion
Hinduism preaches love towards all life, peace and compassion
Islam preaches love towards all life, peace and compassion
Buddhism preaches docility, compassion and acceptance
Taoism preaches acceptance of everyones personal choice, equality and peace
Shinto preaches respect towards every living thing and tranquility of the mind
Rastafari preaches love between people and peace
Judaism preaches love towards life, peace, acceptance and compassion
Evolution and other forms of atheism preaches that there is no right or wrong, morals are ficticious and as long as you don't get caught, you might as well kill as many people as possible, if they die the didn't deserve to survive anyway because they were weak..
All these ideal's have all started wars... All suck about the same as each other... But all hold a little truth in each, every lie does...
I've never heard of anyone starting a war in the name of evolution. On the other hand, the Christians are very guilty in that aspect. Such hypocrisy!
Well there was once this bloke called Hitler... and he thaught the German's (White skinned people) are the most evolved and higher race... So in a sense Elegy had a good point there.
Ideal's and faith has caused many to do odd things...
Life to me what it says on the tin... you live, have kids, you die... an may be your energy gets recycled... To me death and the after life is grey area, I am open to ALMOST any thing, other than a collection of bed timestories sliced into a book...
He had a good point in regards to Hitler..?
1) I doubt Hitler read the Origin of Species and then went on his 'cleansing' rampage.
2) He referring to his people being the higher race is directly killing in the name of evolution how?
3) Manipulating what evolution says as (one of) the ways to get people to kill, and killing in it's name are two different things. Completely abusing what something has to say to do bad deeds is not on the head of that thing.
It's like saying a person who murders and happens to be an Atheist is killing in the name of Atheism, not the same. That the Hitler statement is weak.
Saying people kill in the name of evolution is similar to claiming people kill in the name of a mathematical equation! Evolution is a science, it is not a creed or something one can kill for.
Hitler felt his people are the master race... The Aryan race... Aryanism as a Religion...
QuoteAccording to the adherents to Ariosophy, the Aryan was a "master race" that built a civilization that dominated the world from Atlantis about ten thousand years ago.
But I guess it's not a war sparked by the THEORY of Evoultion... So your correct
DS... But working on the basis of Aryanism as a religion I suposse I am right that Religion is good for starting wars...
But I still see Elegy's line of thaught, and it was interesting until I read yours... I mean your correct 100%
DS I am not going to arguee on common sense...LOL
BACK ON TOPIC
The Bible in my eye's is a book based on the supernatural... I mean Jesus was no natural man, and that's documented and for some reason accepted... And for some reason the only logical explination of Jesus and his Supernatral Feets is he was the son of GOD... But God is a devine Spirit... And Spirit's and Holy ghosts are Supernatural...LOL
look, im a christan and i must say their completely different.
if you believe in god and dont sin and all that stuff then you go to heaven, but if you believe in supernatural stuff, you most likly going to the oppisite :chocobo:
I don't think you should be here.
Quote from: sinu siku on May 13, 2007, 02:30:09 PM
look, im a christan and i must say their completely different.
if you believe in god and dont sin and all that stuff then you go to heaven, but if you believe in supernatural stuff, you most likly going to the oppisite :chocobo:
See, that's such a bias statement. You only say/believe that because that is what you are part of. I myself have been bought up Catholic/Christian but I still question it. How do you know for certain that he is real? To me, God doesnt sound logical but to you guys he is something that "No one can meet till your dead"... then how in the hell do you expect us to believe in him and spread the word.
To me, religions in general are just some hoax that has been around for a long time.
Quote from: ChaosSpartan28 on May 13, 2007, 08:03:17 PM
Quote from: sinu siku on May 13, 2007, 02:30:09 PM
look, im a christan and i must say their completely different.
if you believe in god and dont sin and all that stuff then you go to heaven, but if you believe in supernatural stuff, you most likly going to the oppisite :chocobo:
See, that's such a bias statement. You only say/believe that because that is what you are part of. I myself have been bought up Catholic/Christian but I still question it. How do you know for certain that he is real? To me, God doesnt sound logical but to you guys he is something that "No one can meet till your dead"... then how in the hell do you expect us to believe in him and spread the word.
To me, religions in general are just some hoax that has been around for a long time.
you may be right but if there is no god then how are we here? and what happens when we die :chocobo:
1. Sinu, stop using the chocobos in Intelligent Debate.
2. How do I know? Its a matter of faith. Honestly, there is almost no proof. And I know this. I questioned it once, but I came back because it felt like the right thing to do. People do what they feel is right. So that is why.
Quote from: Final-Knight on May 14, 2007, 01:35:04 AM
1. Sinu, stop using the chocobos in Intelligent Debate.
2. How do I know? Its a matter of faith. Honestly, there is almost no proof. And I know this. I questioned it once, but I came back because it felt like the right thing to do. People do what they feel is right. So that is why.
1. fine
2. ya i guess i kinda have to agree...
if you believe in god and dont sin and all that stuff then you go to heaven, but if you believe in supernatural stuff, you most likly going to the oppisite
God = Deity & Holy Spirit = Supernatural = Myth & Legend, the unexplained and the Paranormal = Not real/Not Proven
There you go just disproved the exsistance of God (For now) in one Simple Equation...
you havnt disproved it, youve just said theres no evidence.
Quoteyou havnt disproved it, youve just said theres no evidence.
So if the Bible is not Evidence enough, then I guess there is no bassis for your argueement... So what makes you so sure God does exsist ?
And all I am doing in reltivity to this thread is showing that following the idea of God in actual fact is admitting to following the idea of the supernatural... Or would you say God is not a supernatural enterty ?
Los is right you moron. Grow a brain or get out of Id.
For something to be considered natural, it would be observable and obey the laws of nature, the apparent description of your god goes against this. Your god exists outside of nature, it is classified a supernatural being. This whole debate is moronic, if you believe in a personal god of today, you believe in the supernatural.
GOD IS NOT CLASSIFIED AS A NATURAL THING.
Los is right - I am getting that framed. LOL
I find it funny how Christian's and other religious followers don't see their faith as having faith in the Supernatural...
I don't get how they can follow the scripture in the Bible, that a Man could walk on Water or cure the blind by a simple touch, yet they can't also follow the Supernatural of today... I mean the Church used to do exsorsiums all the time, the purging of Demons and evil ghosts... Ghosts and Demons are both Supernatural creatures... as too are Angels and Gods...
But yet this topic continues... And the divid between having faith in the Supernatural means you have no faith in God is one of the biggest contridictions I have seen on these forums... But that in its self shows the contridictions displayed in the preachings and dribble forced in to these fragile little minds.
im not saying god isnt supernatural im just saying that he exists.
land of shadows, if he dosnt exist then why are we here and how did we even get here, also then what happens when we die?
Evolution is the most excepted theory by people who arent as bias as you and many other religious people.
Again, another theory, reincarnation with the same reasoning as above.
Quoteland of shadows, if he dosnt exist then why are we here and how did we even get here, also then what happens when we die?
Just as Plausable as God Putting us here, it could have been an Alien race that placed us here... Or it could be evoulution... Chaos Theory is life finds awway... I don't know how we came to be in the start of every thing, or what caused the start of every thing... But on the same argueement I can say so what created God ?...
What heppens when we die... That's a question us as a race should invest more in finding out... Nobody knows... I know what I would like to think, but it's just an opinion... and thats energy never die's just changes form... So I think our soul is released and used for better things...
But going on life finds away, I would imagine our energy would be food for an energy based creature / creatures... May be planet makers...LOL
Quote from: sinu siku on May 14, 2007, 08:56:47 PM
im not saying god isnt supernatural im just saying that he exists.
land of shadows, if he dosnt exist then why are we here and how did we even get here, also then what happens when we die?
Lol, don't ya just love Christians and their reasonings? tbb
QuoteLol, don't ya just love Christians and their reasonings?
Christinaity should be renamed to Narrowmindedisium or some thing along them lines... It pains me to have to reason with religius types... They only have one answer... "God made it so !!!"
The whole idea of christianity sounds a bit far fetched because it was discovered one day when a person found a book on the floor about god and how god created earth in 7 days but how does any one know that god exists because when people die then if god is real then they'll see him but they cant tell any one because they're dead and also if we are all related to adam and eve then won't we be breaking one of the seven comandments of thou shou not have incest?, because if were realated to adam and eve then won't we all be related to each other?, but that's just my thought.
Quote from: rpgalltheway123 on May 16, 2007, 10:57:36 AM
The whole idea of christianity sounds a bit far fetched because it was discovered one day when a person found a book on the floor about god and how god created earth in 7 days but how does any one know that god exists because when people die then if god is real then they'll see him but they cant tell any one because they're dead and also if we are all related to adam and eve then won't we be breaking one of the seven comandments of thou shou not have incest?, because if were realated to adam and eve then won't we all be related to each other?, but that's just my thought.
That's not how Christianity started. Christianity started with Christ.
Some elements of the Bible are actually BC Before Christ... Around 582bc I think some area's have been gathered from.
QuoteModern developments
The critical analysis of authorship now encompasses every book of the bible. Every book in turn has been hypothesized to bear traces of multiple authorship, even the book of Obadiah, which is only a single page. In some cases the traditional view on authorship has been overturned; in others, additional support, at least in part has been found.
The development of the hypothesis has not stopped with Wellhausen. Wellhausen's hypothesis, for example, proposed that the four documents were composed in the order J-E-D-P, with P, containing the bulk of the Jewish law, dating from the post-Exilic Second Temple period (i.e., after 515 BC);[21] but the contemporary view is that P is earlier than D, and that all four books date from the First Temple period (i.e., prior to 587 BC).[22]
The documentary hypothesis has come into question in recent decades, at least in the four-document version advanced by Wellhausen and refined by later scholars such as Martin Noth (who in 1943 provided evidence that Deuteronomy plus the following six books make a unified history from the hand of a single editor), Harold Bloom, Frank Moore Cross and Richard Elliot Friedman. The direction of this criticism is to question the existence of separate, identifiable documents, positing instead that the biblical text is made up of almost innumerable strands so interwoven as to be hardly untangleable — the J document, in particular, has been subjected to such intense dissection that it seems in danger of disappearing.
Although Biblical archeology has confirmed the existence of many people, places, and events mentioned in the Bible[2], many critical scholars have argued that the Bible be read not as an accurate historical document, but rather as a work of literature and theology that often draws on historical events — and often draws on non-Hebrew mythology — as primary source material. For these critics the Bible reveals much about the lives and times of its authors. Whether the ideas of these authors have any relevance to contemporary society is left to clerics and adherents of contemporary religions to decide.
Many of the dates and places, and celebrations we have based on these pages have been taken and adapted from other religions, the Bible was not as big as it is from day one... new Gospels have been found and adapted to suite.
It's like Christmas... Christmas was before Christ:- http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn31/christmas.htm
Quote from: sinu siku on May 14, 2007, 08:56:47 PM
if he dosnt exist then why are we here and how did we even get here, also then what happens when we die?
It's called the big bang theory, and over millions of years we evolved from other animals into "superior" beings. When you die, you cease to exist. No heaven, no afterlife, you lose all sense, and can never do anything.
biohazard - Most animals/creatures thrive... reproducing more so than those become deceased... For every one Human that dies another 4 are born (or soe thing like that)... There to me gives the bigest indication as to why we are here. To Reproduce... WHY ?
Simple
We all contain energy (A Soul) Energy never dies it changes form, once you are brain dead, I like to think that your energy/soul either changes or gets released... So in theory life continues, to what end I am not sure of.
Again I would like to think that we join an energy flow that creates new worlds or some thing, there for we are God, or will be part of God at some stage.
Another alternative is we are then bottom of the food chain for large energy based creatures.
I think Saying once you die, that's it nothing happens, can't be true, life is too perfect for that to be true.
Nothing in life goes to waste, one creatures by-product is anothers food or home, one creatures car-kus is anothers banquet, and if not the ground reclaims the remains.
I just don't buy the whole son of God Bull-shite the Bible is scrawled in.
Nihilism, it's by far the best religion. Death=infinite nothingness, time and space cease to matter, and so after time, nothing matters in the living world anyway. We are all dead, to quote an amazing movie: "On a long enough timeline, everyones survival rate drops to zero".
death
–noun
1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism. Compare brain death.
2. an instance of this: a death in the family; letters published after his death.
3. the state of being dead: to lie still in death.
4. extinction; destruction: It will mean the death of our hopes.
5. manner of dying: a hero's death.
6. (usually initial capital letter) the agent of death personified, usually represented as a man or a skeleton carrying a scythe. Compare Grim Reaper.
7. Also called spiritual death. loss or absence of spiritual life.
To say that death is not absolute is to abandon the meaning of life. Therefore afterlife = pointless. stepping down from the i'm right your wrong points taken by christians and athiests, logically, life would have no meaning if death were contradicted by a god. perhaps human beings have only invented god to save themselves from that great inevitable.
self quote "Religion is for the weak, and the scared, that can't accept the inevitability of death."