Ok so I havent made a debate thread in awhile due to my last one (Are dolphins as smart as we are) being junk, but I think this is an important topic so here goes nothing,
Global Warming, does it exsist? And if it does what can we do about it?
Global Warming does Exsist... Global warming is the observed increase in the average temperature of the Earth's atmosphere and oceans in recent decades...
Now there has been a steady rise most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been attributable to human activities...
The main cause of the human-induced component of warming is the increase in atmospheric greenhouse gases especially carbon dioxide, due to activities such as the burning of fossil fuels, land clearing, and agriculture.Greenhouse gases are gases that contribute to the greenhouse effect.
An increase in global temperatures can in turn cause other changes, such as a rising sea level and changes in the amount and pattern of precipitation. These changes may increase the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events, such as floods, droughts, heat waves, hurricanes, and tornadoes. Other consequences include higher or lower agricultural yields, glacial retreat, reduced summer stream flows, species extinctions and increases in the ranges of disease vectors. Warming is expected to affect the number and magnitude of these events; however, it is difficult to connect specific events to global warming. Although most studies focus on the period up to 2100, warming (and sea level rise due to thermal expansion) is expected to continue past then, since CO2 has an estimated atmospheric lifetime of 50 to 200 years.
The Damage is pretty much done... It can only really get worst... Unless we take drastic measures:-
1 idea
A Nobel Prize-winning scientist has proposed a controversial method for protecting Earth from global warming: seeding the atmosphere with sulfur to reflect the sun's rays.
Another Idea
Technical fixes like filling the stratosphere with billions of silver balloons to reflect the sun's rays, or spraying the oceans with iron to make them suck up the gases causing global warming, should be developed as a safety net, they said. Some even felt the technology should be adopted regardless of need, because it would create a better world in which we could twiddle with the planet's temperature like a domestic thermostat.
What ever happens it shouldn't effect us in our life time... But if you could come up with some thing to fix the issue or slow it you could earn millions...
My Idea
Work on developing Solar like panels for All roofs... and buildings, that have organic plant like material in them, and mixture of Bio and mechnic struture, to use the light from the sun to make photo-Synth-isis.... Still out putting more Oxygen and killing off Carbon... In a Sense it will be like having Leaves all over your house that look like modern tiles...
Along side that make Large stuctures over the Sea's Surface equal to the land mass lost in say the last million years and cover it in vast vegitation equal to that lost in the Rain forrests, on there as well as plant life we could have endangered animals etc...
This will dampen the effects and slow them down not stop them... Some thing that could be created to help shield the effects is to Launch a Large amount of Lenses like those on the new light reactive glass (Transition Lenses) to refact rather than reflect the light, to dampen the effects... again not stopping them, as Sun light is a Natural effect needed for plant life to live...
I feel what ever we do has to be a Natural as possible...
umm of course it exists. i live in ontario and it was 7 degrees out today, which is a significant amount above freezing, and still like no snow, theres only been a few times where a little bit of snow fell. i think no one cares enough about it. something neeeeds to be done. even al gore made like a movie about it.
Christina, please never post in Intelligent Debate again. Just because it's a bit warmer than usual in one corner of the world means nothing (not that I don't believe in global warming, but your point is moot).
There is no longer any debate about global warming. The controversy is completely artificial and is generated by people and corporations who would lose money if steps were taken to reduce the severity of global warming.
Thats a load of rubbish... This thread can continue...
We have not touched on the main contributors of Global Warming...
And explored other options to try and reduce the effects...
Its that attitude thats killing the planet through Gloabal warming...
Christina - You Post as much as you like, gonorrhoea is no Mod... Your posts are always a little short, but they get the general point across... It's been a VERY mild winter here also... (England)
The Ice Caps are Melting Faster than ever due to the effects of Global Warming:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4228411.stm Should this continue many countries will get flooded:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4056755.stm
Some thing needs to be done... even if it slows the effects...
Read my post again.
QuoteRead my post again.
I have... You say there is no Debate... Why is Global Warming still being researched then ?
Why is BP and Shell both funding research into new Energy sources that cause less Harmfull Emissions ?
Your right that too many Big Fish would drown (large companies)... And the change would be slow and would have to reflect the Market and needs, with out the major players then any new fangled tech would fail as there is nobody to push it... Infact tackling that aspect would just be as hard as pushing the defence on Global warming... but solve one and you solve both...
It's strange how money dictates the quality of life on our planet... the quality of life should come first at all costs...
Thats what your saying to me... but you didn't say much... I read between the lines...
But that does not make the debate dead... it means it needs to be pushed until some one listens...
Read my post again.
QuoteThe controversy is completely artificial and is generated by people and corporations
corporations are not creating the Controversy, they are causing the problem... The research being done is by Scinence teams and then it's SOME Goverments that are saying it's not enough proof...
Quotecorporations who would lose money if steps were taken to reduce the severity of global warming
Your right Corporations such as BP and other oil / Petrol and so forth would lose money unless that had an alternative already made...
QuoteThere is no longer any debate about global warming
There may not be as we are not in a position to change Massively... but there are still things that can be done even in our daily lives that would reduce the effects of Global warming... Cutting down Power Usage, Walking rather than driving, getting CFC friends Spray's, Recycling etc...
It can start small... It does not have to factor large Corporations to slow it...
Cool kids Question Was What can we do about it ?
I have answered... you Have answered... and your Answer is we can do nothing I disagree...
It does not matter how many time I read you poxy post... It says the same thing...
I know we can't stop Global Warming but we can slow it down
Oh Jesus, my stomach. You're giving me indigestion.
QuoteOh Jesus
Thanks for the Compliment... Stop, your giving me a God like Complex...
So JH, why are you posting in ID if your attitude is like that =/ You've decided it's an artificial controversy (which I think is a pretty uneducated conclusion, sure the whole thing could be considered overrated but it's still a pretty notable problem), but it's not like landofshadows isn't trying to show you his side and get a decent response or isn't making valid points.
Also, for somebody who a) is banned and b) didn't care about being here anyway, you're online an awful lot =/
Quote from: Silverline on January 04, 2007, 03:39:13 PM
So JH, why are you posting in ID if your attitude is like that =/ You've decided it's an artificial controversy (which I think is a pretty uneducated conclusion, sure the whole thing could be considered overrated but it's still a pretty notable problem), but it's not like landofshadows isn't trying to show you his side and get a decent response or isn't making valid points.
He read my post with his usual American stereotype in mind. The debate about global warming's existence is over, and everyone knows it is happening. The only people who question its reality are backed by oil companies and the like - the controversy is fake, just like the one about evolution.
QuoteAlso, for somebody who a) is banned and b) didn't care about being here anyway, you're online an awful lot =/
Quiet, you.
QuoteHe read my post with his usual American stereotype in mind
Nope, I think you read my Reply with a slight hate of me in mind... and then posted some thing that is fairly off...
I guessed it was Jesus Hitler From my other thread on Korea... I think me and him see things very differently... even though I draw my stereo typing from the same place most others do of late... I know American's are not all like how pertray them...
Even still Ultra Santa (AKA Jesus Hitler) - If I have upset you there is no need to rubbish up some one else thread... PM me hate mail if you like, I have a delete button ;)
Back to topic:-
QuoteThe debate about global warming's existence is over, and everyone knows it is happening.
Coolkid didn't... Hence the thread... And still some Goverments are refusing Global warming is to Blame for the Weather and Adverse effects... When there are many differences of opinion then how can a debate be over... In fact a Debate is never really over... Common laws are always changing as to are policies...
Quotejust like the one about evolution
Evolution may one day be disproven... You see thats a Debate thats still on going even though its widley Accepted... So in your one paragraph there is a Conflict within your own theory...
If Global Warming Continues it could cool down the Warm Current (Gulf Stream) and may have some pretty nasty results... A bit like the film "the day after tomorrow" But thats no doubt spun out of the worst case senario to make entertaining viewing...
And that too is pretty interesting, Could Global Warming cause the fall of Man ?...
If we look at the rate the Ice caps are melting and then look at the highest points of land above sea level, then try and equate how much ice will need to melt before that highest most point will be sub-merged, it is possible that the entire land mass could be at least halved, they by reducing the expansion of human life...
And then you best hope Evolution is a Sound theory, as if we don't adapt (like in the film Sea world) we could be buggered...LOL
(Well all that was well over the top... but its possible... The Science fiction of today is the future of tomorrow as they say... who's to say Sea world may not become the Earth... heck we would have to rename the planet to Mostly Water, wont be no Earth...LOL)
Seeing his name, I already realized who Ultra Santa is.
I can tell you guys only one thing:
There was no snow till now at my place this winter and that IS unusual. It's much too warm.
Quote from: landofshadows on January 04, 2007, 04:13:34 PM
QuoteHe read my post with his usual American stereotype in mind
Nope, I think you read my Reply with a slight hate of me in mind... and then posted some thing that is fairly off...
What shit.
QuoteI guessed it was Jesus Hitler From my other thread on Korea...
I haven't tried to hide my identity.
QuoteI know American's are not all like how pertray them...
You sure don't act like it.
QuoteQuoteThe debate about global warming's existence is over, and everyone knows it is happening.
Coolkid didn't... Hence the thread... And still some Goverments are refusing Global warming is to Blame for the Weather and Adverse effects... When there are many differences of opinion then how can a debate be over... In fact a Debate is never really over... Common laws are always changing as to are policies...
I meant the debate was over as far as people who mattered were concerned. What George Bush thinks about global warming is useless because he is tainted by the oil industry and because he is not a scientist.
QuoteQuotejust like the one about evolution
Evolution may one day be disproven... You see thats a Debate thats still on going even though its widley Accepted... So in your one paragraph there is a Conflict within your own theory...
Every theory that currently exists may one day be disproved, but that doesn't mean that it is likely. Just like with global warming, the debate about evolution's existence is over as far as people who matter are concerned. The opinions of public figures who need the support of the public should be as important as your or my opinion.
QuoteAnd that too is pretty interesting, Could Global Warming cause the fall of Man ?...
It may disrupt the current goings-on of men but it does not threaten our overall survival.
Quote(Well all that was well over the top... but its possible... The Science fiction of today is the future of tomorrow as they say... who's to say Sea world may not become the Earth... heck we would have to rename the planet to Mostly Water, wont be no Earth...LOL)
For a moment I thought you were making a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy joke, but then I remembered who I was talking to. (in the Guide the entry for Earth consists of two words: "Mostly harmless.")
EDIT: by the way, you have the water park Sea World mixed up with the movie Waterworld. An easy mistake to make if you only know enough English to work as a cashier at a McDonald's.
QuoteEDIT: by the way, you have the water park Sea World mixed up with the movie Waterworld. An easy mistake to make if you only know enough English to work as a cashier at a McDonald's.
LOL... thats pretty good... Well I have never watched Waterworld... And I work in IT, never worked in McD's, and if I was to Stereo type you further, I bet you live there...LOL... My Worst Job ever was working in a POrno Packing Factory when I was 14 to buy my 1st PSone (it was paid by the amount I done, 4p per Video I stuck to a Mag then into a Plastic Sleave...) If you work some place that is that degrading it makes you appreciate a Job much more when you find a half decent one... My Job at the mo is mainly around GPS and Mobile Camera's ANPR and integrating them into a working soloution with a back office set up... Just cuz I can't spell or get a name of a film right means Sod all, apart from I can be lazy from time to time... I have an IQ of 128 and thats good for some one who has as much trouble as I do, reading and writing... (Granted I don't do much to help myself, but I don't see it as being to important, like some one who can't draw has no interest in drawing, doesn't make them any less inteligent)... Never assume some one is Dumb based on how Literal they are, take Albert Einstein for example he had Dyslexia
QuoteFor a moment I thought you were making a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy joke, but then I remembered who I was talking to. (in the Guide the entry for Earth consists of two words: "Mostly harmless.")
I am a pretty Humours Person, see my You Tube stuff ( http://rmrk.net/index.php/topic,7603.0.html )... and not all that you read by me should be taken seriously... I like you Jesus Hitler, you make me smile... And you have raised some points I agree with...
You got a Ban for a reason... Try and ease off a bit...
Here you go this may help:- Sorry if I have Upset you, it was not intended or ment to offend you, nothing I have said is aimed soley at you, apart from when I said you are most probley the type of guy that walks into a school Matrix style and wishes to form a mini death squad, cuz at current I still feel thats true...(I mean when you left you sent me a Picture of the KKK hanging a coloured person... Why ???...
Back to TOPICHere watch this Geeky Simulation I found of Global Warming... And this is based on the near future not distant... So who knows what the FUTURE could bring, the Fall of many is possible... and if your religious why doubt it, After all it happend to Noah, in around about way...LOL
[youtube=422,335]GH8oXk1z3s8[/youtube]
everybody brings up good points, cause yeah global warming isnt happening everywhere, but it will eventually, cause it sure is happening by me. things like the depleating ozone layer effect it a lot.
i also write short replies because usually people dont like reading loong replies. i dunno
Global warming...
It is indeed a farce. No one will be able to do anything about it until China do something about their ever rising pollution levels. Yet, the pollution is suppossedly what's causing Global Warming...is it?
Carbon Dioxide which is considered one of the most polluting of the elements actually does no harm to the ozone layer itself, instead creating a blanket that traps heat beneath it. Carbon Dioxide also helps the trees to grow much faster than ever before because of photosynthesis and the temperature rise that allows plants, tree's, or anything that uses photosynthesis to become more efficient. Photosynthesis works best at around thirty degree's celcius.
Yes the polar ice caps are melting, but, there is little we can do now, as it is the CFC's that we ejected around thirty years ago into the atmosphere that caused the ozone to whither away there. For some reason the CFC's gathered at the poles. Thus heat and ultraviolet waves can get to the snow more easily. Global warming just helps this process along.
Once the planet become hot enough, it will eventually recycle and eventually cause the next ice age, of which we are long overdue for.
Global Warming will not wipe out the human race, it will merely provide another challenge for them to overcome. Therefore I return to my earlier point. Global Warming is far too over rated, it is nothing compared to what we have endured before.
I for one, wouldn't mind it becoming a little warmer.
To reply to Christina, Global Warming is happening second, the whithering of the ozone layer is happening first due to the CFC's that I mentioned before.
I'm sorry, I don't usually get into these debates, but I found myself wanting to say something. If anyone has any questions, please...ask away.
QuoteI for one, wouldn't mind it becoming a little warmer.
WHERE THE HELL DO YOU LIVE?
I live in the United Kingdom, the Peak District
^^ It sure as hell ain't cool over here...
Why where do you live?
South Australia, it's been oddly hot here... =.=
I am not sure, but do you not have the opposite seasons to the otherside of the world, thus your summer is our winter?
I don't know that was something i heard a while ago, but right now, it is just coming into spring, that time when the winds are bitterly cold.
God... I actually forgot that for a moment. But yes, - I think its Winter in America, so you guys are Winter too I think. We leave Spring after the end of Novemeber here, right now it is Summer.
Going back on topic a little... didn't you find it warmer in '06 compared to '05?
Omg it's gonna kill us all !!!
School gave us free today cuzz of hard wind :D
But it's going really hard with all this global warming you can see the climat change already it keeps getting warmer..
http://www.deh.gov.au/minister/ps/search.php?query=2006+average+temperature
Actually, this website from the Australian Government leans to the other side of the argument, that it may actually have been cooler in Australia in 2006, while 2005 was the hottest year on record. 2006, is the ninth hottest.
[Details correct at time of statement.]
My mum agrees with that. But I disagree heaps.
Quote from: Chiakumu on January 18, 2007, 08:59:40 PM
http://www.deh.gov.au/minister/ps/search.php?query=2006+average+temperature
Actually, this website from the Australian Government leans to the other side of the argument, that it may actually have been cooler in Australia in 2006, while 2005 was the hottest year on record. 2006, is the ninth hottest.
[Details correct at time of statement.]
Sorry Ataraixyray I agree with ^, this summer in Oz has been pleasantly cool...
Global warming? Well if we hadn't stoped the space exploration so much we could have been Terraforming Mars by now... Fuck Earth.. We need a new planet.
There has been a News special running on ITV here in England all week...
Here have a look at some of the findings and interviews regarding Global warming and info on the approach being taken by England:- http://www.itv.com/news/bigmelt.html
The Big Melt, it is quite topical, especially with Stephen Hawkings coming in on the debate.
In reference to Deliciously_Saucy, I think we have a new Intelligent Debate.
This si what I think about global warmmig.
do you care we talkabout how it happen and why.
Does the united states care that we are the laziest country ever because we use the most energy and fossil fuels. most of that oil is from thounsands or hundreds of miles. u.s gets most of their oil from canada.
Quote from: Chiakumu on January 19, 2007, 12:33:59 PM
The Big Melt, it is quite topical, especially with Stephen Hawkings coming in on the debate.
is "the big" a fun phrase to say in theories about large events.
soon they wound be only teory name such as the big douchebag of the big orgy of the big gay. screw theories if a future wants theories they can have theories but we just hope.
I fact we should all become cristian because they say if we don't they say we burn in hell. what do I know the world could stay with theories and loose hope for time machines
and and aiw[Aol instant whores]
I am off topic and should be shot...if you want.
Personally, I'm worried about the Great Barrier Reef and the future temperatures we will live in. Even though I tried my best, it was hard not using resources that contribute, which technically is modern technology.
~Winged
Global Warming does exist, but Al Gore is using it as a political statement to get people to like him and maybe a campaign.
They say that it is caused by Human carbon dioxide, but we only make up like a tiny percent of the carbon dioxide on this planet, and it is natural (cd).
I think that Global warming is natural thing that happens, scientists that believe that it's man-made, in very rare cases will they come out and talk to scientists that think global warming is natural. You know what puts of the most amount of carbon dioxide? Take a wild guess and call Gore stupid:
[spoiler]The ocean. If we wanted to stop Global Warming, then why not do the smart thing instead of another Hali's Comet. Drain the Ocean, while we're at it, why not fill death valley and make a lake! [/spoiler]
I think that the Earth naturally get warming and colder. Al Gore put together a chart of drops and raises of temperature, but didn't add the date, just the temperature.
I think it could be leading up to an Ice Age, all over again.
You know him and the companies he supports wont let these African tribes use the coal and gas around them, so they have to use this wood, which when burned, the smoke is toxic. Or something like that, but enough of the smoke and it will kill you. Al says that says that these women and their children can't use gas or coal because it'll help make global warming worse. That truly is a sick man.
Quote from: Kefka on February 18, 2007, 09:34:44 AM
This si what I think about global warmmig.
do you care we talkabout how it happen and why.
Does the united states care that we are the laziest country ever because we use the most energy and fossil fuels. most of that oil is from thounsands or hundreds of miles. u.s gets most of their oil from canada.
I lived on the Canadian border for most of my life, and I used to take day trips with my family over to canada to but like chinese, greek, italian stuff for like seasonings and stuff. And you're totally right, there are tons of oil wells there too. And some how we got into this whole Oil fight... But that's off subject. Sorry.
I read an article in national geographics were that it's not at all how we think it is today, it's just that the earth is making it's way closer to the sun very often but in very tiny steps I guess...
So, I think that Global Warming is natural, and that it's just know been shouted out because of politics. And know, if you say you're against big scary GLobal Warming, people must now crucify you.
Way to resurrect a dead thread. Three months dead, at that. But since its back, I'll give my view.
There's no way that humans are capable of judging global warming, because we haven't been on the planet long enough to accurately gauge massive climate fluctuations. Who's to say that in the big picture, this kind of behavior isn't the norm? Our technology on the subject only goes back so far into the past. Before that, theres no data.
Quote from: Holkeye on April 08, 2007, 04:12:24 PM
Way to resurrect a dead thread. Three months dead, at that. But since its back, I'll give my view.
There's no way that humans are capable of judging global warming, because we haven't been on the planet long enough to accurately gauge massive climate fluctuations. Who's to say that in the big picture, this kind of behavior isn't the norm? Our technology on the subject only goes back so far into the past. Before that, theres no data.
I agree. Al Gore has only the newer ages as
proof. I really think he's just trying to work up his name some next election he might run.
I've got this book, State of Fear, and it provides untold amounts of how global warming isn't real, and it is all proboboble, such as scientists who need grant money to keep up their Bentleys. Why can't it be a climate shift? Earth wobbles, everyone knows that, it can affect how close one place is to the sun. Why was there an Ice Age? Wobbling. As far as images goes, I haven't seen any, and like hippies saying the lunar landing was in a studio in California, or porn images of Hayden Panettiere, pictures can be edited.
If global warming were real, it wouldn't have snowed here last week.
Yes it does.. it snowed..
The Sahara desert is twice as large as it was just 100 years ago (I think...it's something like that) expanding every year. Rain fall is slowly decreasing and forest fire is on an increasing number with increasing catastrophe.
The Ice caps are melting and sea levels are rising, the average temperature of the world has gone up at least a degree, and CO2 levels are at least 10 times higher than seventy years ago...believe it or not...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Inconvenient_Truth
get the DVD it's a really good watch actually.
He should have called it "An Inconvenient Opinion"
Quote from: Holkeye on April 15, 2007, 04:34:49 PM
He should have called it "An Inconvenient Opinion"
Yeah, pretty much.
Quote from: Ravenshade on April 15, 2007, 02:32:05 PM
The Sahara desert is twice as large as it was just 100 years ago (I think...it's something like that) expanding every year. Rain fall is slowly decreasing and forest fire is on an increasing number with increasing catastrophe.
The Ice caps are melting and sea levels are rising, the average temperature of the world has gone up at least a degree, and CO2 levels are at least 10 times higher than seventy years ago...believe it or not...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Inconvenient_Truth
get the DVD it's a really good watch actually.
(Because movies
never lie!) ;D
No, I will not get the movie, he really has no proof of anything he is saying. The world cycles, and didn't you just read the above posts? I forgot where, but near where I used to live in NY, there was a town that got 11 feet of snow. Global Warming wasn't fast enough for new york and I don't think it ever will be. Also, C02 is made byt not only us, but also the ocean, volcanoes, planets, animals. Everything (basically) gives off C02, Al Gore is just a nut with an opinion that will get him elected next term (after 08) if he keeps this and says he can fix C02.
Or It's So Inconvenient that I'm not the President. It's all a political movement, and the world is getting closer to the sun, and I think that plays a huge role in what you're trying to say. Although, I don't think it's so, there's is more proof to date that the world is just in a cycle and will stop sooner or later. Also, what about the history of dinosaurs and the ice age? You have to go back more than just a few
Ice Samples, because that's what he bases his
truth off of.
He really needs to give this whole thing up, he's destroying the world. We aren't he is.
And if we are the main source, what are we supposed to do? Kill our selves next time we hear about a comet coming down to earth? He has to shut up some time or another. And once this political movement is over, the world is going to be on the diet craze again.
Quote from: Ravenshade on April 15, 2007, 02:32:05 PM
forest fire is on an increasing number with increasing catastrophe.
Forest fires are natural occurences, and actually help forests. It is a natural part of the ecosystem.
Someone needs to watch it rather than just give an opinion about it having never seen it.
Forest fires are a good thing yes...in small amounts...
Most of the data was collected from American, British, Chinese, Indian and Australian sources...some data was even collected on some of the remotest islands in the world...yeah those in the middle of the pacific. Showing that Carbon levels have risen.
Watch it first, then comment, then again, knowing Holkeye...he'll probably say: I've already seen it, didn't actually show any evidence at all no I prefer to believe the big multinational corporations who are polluting the world. (or something to that effect)
Global warming doesn't affect just one city. Or has no one realized that the fluctuations in the weather is getting more dramatic lately. Record number of hurricanes in the past few years, hitting places where they aren't supposed to hit i.e. new orleans.
He wasn't just talking about Co2. He talked about many things. Volcanoes however are natural. We are different, we concentrate thousands of trees, dig up coal and burn them all over the world.
England used to have snow drifts...the last time I saw any decent snow in England was 1996 a few inches. (I did mean a few feet when I talk about drifts) It has dry spots over Manchester for crying out loud. The water around the south coast of england has risen by 3 degree's.
Just because he only shows just a few ice samples doesn't mean he's not taken many. Most people who work with glaciers will tell you they aren't supposed to recede as fast as they are.
Well i'd rather believe in Stephen Hawkin's theories than pub rumours if that's what you're trying to get at, go listen to some of his environmental debates and boy does he have some.
We blanket the world in CO2...we die. Plants don't, but we do. Have you ever looked on the data that was collected from Venus. The CO2 levels and poison levels are so high it is hotter than mercury.
Do you think Gore cuts down on how much energy he uses? Have you seen the size of the house he lives in, the fancy cars etc...the fact is more than half of the energy he uses is considered environmentally friendly, by people like you, him, her, me etc. Renewable sources I'm talking about.
It's not about killing ourselves, it's not about restricting ourselves, it's about changing the way we live in order to not only be more efficient, but to take care of the environment of which we live in.
There's litter all around the streets you live in, graffiti up the walls, some horrid smell from the local bar and pollution coming down the alley ways from the main high streets and the petrol fumes. What do you do if you have the money...you move to somewhere better....yeah that's where terraforming comes in. Looking after our planet now saves us time in the future (and we get to live in a nicer more friendly environment) who doesn't like squirrels, or hedgehogs, the odd deer running across some field or other...the fox chasing that rabbit...sorry I really must stop looking outside.
Those who help don't shut up...those who shut up are weak. Heck he must be the only politician with Green Peace backing him. (they don't tend to back political movements) Next time we hear about a large comet coming down we should fight back and nuke it. It's called fighting back ....and fighting back against that which you cannot see.
The ice age comes back every so often...and granted we're over due...but that's most likely because we've warmed up the gulf stream...that thing that keeps the planet warm. The ocean currents. (That's the reason why I think that Global Warming should actually be Global Freezing)
Even if he is talking a load of bullshit, i'd rather be safe than sorry.
Quote from: Ravenshade on April 15, 2007, 07:10:28 PM
Someone needs to watch it rather than just give an opinion about it having never seen it.
Forest fires are a good thing yes...in small amounts...
Most of the data was collected from American, British, Chinese, Indian and Australian sources...some data was even collected on some of the remotest islands in the world...yeah those in the middle of the pacific. Showing that Carbon levels have risen.
Watch it first, then comment, then again, knowing Holkeye...he'll probably say: I've already seen it, didn't actually show any evidence at all no I prefer to believe the big multinational corporations who are polluting the world. (or something to that effect)
Global warming doesn't affect just one city. Or has no one realized that the fluctuations in the weather is getting more dramatic lately. Record number of hurricanes in the past few years, hitting places where they aren't supposed to hit i.e. new orleans.
He wasn't just talking about Co2. He talked about many things. Volcanoes however are natural. We are different, we concentrate thousands of trees, dig up coal and burn them all over the world.
England used to have snow drifts...the last time I saw any decent snow in England was 1996 a few inches. (I did mean a few feet when I talk about drifts) It has dry spots over Manchester for crying out loud. The water around the south coast of england has risen by 3 degree's.
Just because he only shows just a few ice samples doesn't mean he's not taken many. Most people who work with glaciers will tell you they aren't supposed to recede as fast as they are.
Well i'd rather believe in Stephen Hawkin's theories than pub rumours if that's what you're trying to get at, go listen to some of his environmental debates and boy does he have some.
We blanket the world in CO2...we die. Plants don't, but we do. Have you ever looked on the data that was collected from Venus. The CO2 levels and poison levels are so high it is hotter than mercury.
Do you think Gore cuts down on how much energy he uses? Have you seen the size of the house he lives in, the fancy cars etc...the fact is more than half of the energy he uses is considered environmentally friendly, by people like you, him, her, me etc. Renewable sources I'm talking about.
It's not about killing ourselves, it's not about restricting ourselves, it's about changing the way we live in order to not only be more efficient, but to take care of the environment of which we live in.
There's litter all around the streets you live in, graffiti up the walls, some horrid smell from the local bar and pollution coming down the alley ways from the main high streets and the petrol fumes. What do you do if you have the money...you move to somewhere better....yeah that's where terraforming comes in. Looking after our planet now saves us time in the future (and we get to live in a nicer more friendly environment) who doesn't like squirrels, or hedgehogs, the odd deer running across some field or other...the fox chasing that rabbit...sorry I really must stop looking outside.
Those who help don't shut up...those who shut up are weak. Heck he must be the only politician with Green Peace backing him. (they don't tend to back political movements) Next time we hear about a large comet coming down we should fight back and nuke it. It's called fighting back ....and fighting back against that which you cannot see.
The ice age comes back every so often...and granted we're over due...but that's most likely because we've warmed up the gulf stream...that thing that keeps the planet warm. The ocean currents. (That's the reason why I think that Global Warming should actually be Global Freezing)
Even if he is talking a load of bullshit, i'd rather be safe than sorry.
My god, please tell me you're joking... :a:
Ok, We, as humans are supposed to advance in technology and gain more knowledge, or else we wouldn't be doing this stuff in the first place, after we know what we did, and if it's been done and have no reason to go back, we don't go back. Well, sort of.
Humans give off tiny percent of C02 compared to the oceans, that other stuff, burning wood etc, was meant to be burned, it may not be good, but it was sure as hell meant to be.
I don't have to watch the movie, I research, I love to research, my favorite subject is Science and did a more than half the book which was supposed to last a year in one month, I'm sorry if I seem like I'm bragging, because I don't mean to. (I hate it when people say stuff like that, like I don't mean to be... so sorry for saying it)
I don't trust Al Gore, and I think people should base their own opinions from things they know to date, not what people want to base your opinion off of...I think people should do more research and more thinking than watching movies...
Look at the "Global Warming Documentaries" topic in the RMRK Trading forum. I uploaded two, one for and one against. Watch them both.
I should actually change them around, the better order to watch them in is "An Inconvenient Truth" first then the other one.
I have one against that my cousin gave me a while back...but I already posted my first message before I saw it...kind of looooooooooooong. Maybe I'll download them, maybe I wont, I can't stand to look at Al Gore for more than 2 minutes, just like every politician. =)
I don't know if global warming is real or not, I have not done the reseach. But I wuld like to add something to this that my collage teacher has told us. There is a report that the scientists in Antarctica have recorded record low temperatures in the ocean for the past several years.
He has also explained to us the Earth's wobble on its axis that is one of the major influences on global temperatures, as I think Mexneto already explained. Mexneto also said that we produce only a percent of CO2 that the Earth naturally produces.
There was also a story that I read recently that Mars has also had rapid warming in recent years, but we havn't had records of Mars for very long so I don't know haow reliable that is.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html)
Which brings up another point, which I may be way off on. How long have we been able to record global temperatures accuratly? 100 years or so, maybe more? What we are experencing now may be natural and ongoing since the birth of the planet, and we wouldn't know because we don't have the data.
That is, we sould just shrug our sholders at global warming theroy and just go about doing what we have been. World temps aside, all the fossil fuels we burn, foest we cut down and polution we put into our oceans and the air, cause other problems to the planet. We could all do better about being green, but big companies with money in fossil fuels will back what makes them a profit and going green costs a lot. What governments need to do is give tax breaks to companies that invest in alternative, renewable fuel resouces (solar, wind, wave, etc.). That would be a good use of government tax breaks and would acctually be something the big comapanies would go for.
Quote from: Jangles on April 16, 2007, 05:58:31 PM
Which brings up another point, which I may be way off on. How long have we been able to record global temperatures accuratly? 100 years or so, maybe more? What we are experencing now may be natural and ongoing since the birth of the planet, and we wouldn't know because we don't have the data.
Which is the point I brought up three pages ago.
Quote from: Holkeye on April 16, 2007, 06:00:48 PM
Quote from: Jangles on April 16, 2007, 05:58:31 PM
Which brings up another point, which I may be way off on. How long have we been able to record global temperatures accuratly? 100 years or so, maybe more? What we are experencing now may be natural and ongoing since the birth of the planet, and we wouldn't know because we don't have the data.
Which is the point I brought up three pages ago.
Sorry, its a lot text to read....
Well either way...global warming is actually real.
Regardless of whether it is natural or caused by us, it is there, it is warming up the planet, it happens every so many hundred years. Not a lot we can do about it (usually happens before the ice age come to think of it) C02 levels rise (global warming)...followed by...Ice age.
Ask anyone who studies rocks/soil/ice for a living.
Exactly what the people before me are saying.