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Ok so I havent made a debate thread in awhile due to my last one (Are dolphins as smart as we are) being junk, but I think this is an important topic so here goes nothing,

Global Warming, does it exsist? And if it does what can we do about it?
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Global Warming does Exsist... Global warming is the observed increase in the average temperature of the Earth's atmosphere and oceans in recent decades...

Now there has been a steady rise most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been attributable to human activities...

The main cause of the human-induced component of warming is the increase in atmospheric greenhouse gases especially carbon dioxide, due to activities such as the burning of fossil fuels, land clearing, and agriculture.Greenhouse gases are gases that contribute to the greenhouse effect.

An increase in global temperatures can in turn cause other changes, such as a rising sea level and changes in the amount and pattern of precipitation. These changes may increase the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events, such as floods, droughts, heat waves, hurricanes, and tornadoes. Other consequences include higher or lower agricultural yields, glacial retreat, reduced summer stream flows, species extinctions and increases in the ranges of disease vectors. Warming is expected to affect the number and magnitude of these events; however, it is difficult to connect specific events to global warming. Although most studies focus on the period up to 2100, warming (and sea level rise due to thermal expansion) is expected to continue past then, since CO2 has an estimated atmospheric lifetime of 50 to 200 years.

The Damage is pretty much done... It can only really get worst... Unless we take drastic measures:-

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A Nobel Prize-winning scientist has proposed a controversial method for protecting Earth from global warming: seeding the atmosphere with sulfur to reflect the sun's rays.

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Technical fixes like filling the stratosphere with billions of silver balloons to reflect the sun's rays, or spraying the oceans with iron to make them suck up the gases causing global warming, should be developed as a safety net, they said. Some even felt the technology should be adopted regardless of need, because it would create a better world in which we could twiddle with the planet's temperature like a domestic thermostat.

What ever happens it shouldn't effect us in our life time... But if you could come up with some thing to fix the issue or slow it you could earn millions...

My Idea

Work on developing Solar like panels for All roofs... and buildings, that have organic plant like material in them, and mixture of Bio and mechnic struture, to use the light from the sun to make photo-Synth-isis.... Still out putting more Oxygen and killing off Carbon... In a Sense it will be like having Leaves all over your house that look like modern tiles...

Along side that make Large stuctures over the Sea's Surface equal to the land mass lost in say the last million years and cover it in vast vegitation equal to that lost in the Rain forrests, on there as well as plant life we could have endangered animals etc...

This will dampen the effects and slow them down not stop them... Some thing that could be created to help shield the effects is to Launch a Large amount of Lenses like those on the new light reactive glass (Transition Lenses) to refact rather than reflect the light, to dampen the effects... again not stopping them, as Sun light is a Natural effect needed for plant life to live...

I feel what ever we do has to be a Natural as possible...
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umm of course it exists. i live in ontario and it was 7 degrees out today, which is a significant amount above freezing, and still like no snow, theres only been a few times where a little bit of snow fell. i think no one cares enough about it. something neeeeds to be done. even al gore made like a movie about it.

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Christina, please never post in Intelligent Debate again. Just because it's a bit warmer than usual in one corner of the world means nothing (not that I don't believe in global warming, but your point is moot).
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There is no longer any debate about global warming. The controversy is completely artificial and is generated by people and corporations who would lose money if steps were taken to reduce the severity of global warming.

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Thats a load of rubbish... This thread can continue...

We have not touched on the main contributors of Global Warming...

And explored other options to try and reduce the effects...

Its that attitude thats killing the planet through Gloabal warming...

Christina - You Post as much as you like, gonorrhoea is no Mod... Your posts are always a little short, but they get the general point across... It's been a VERY mild winter here also... (England)

The Ice Caps are Melting Faster than ever due to the effects of Global Warming:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4228411.stm Should this continue many countries will get flooded:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4056755.stm

Some thing needs to be done... even if it slows the effects...
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Read my post again.

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Read my post again.

I have... You say there is no Debate... Why is Global Warming still being researched then ?

Why is BP and Shell both funding research into new Energy sources that cause less Harmfull Emissions ?

Your right that too many Big Fish would drown (large companies)... And the change would be slow and would have to reflect the Market and needs, with out the major players then any new fangled tech would fail as there is nobody to push it... Infact tackling that aspect would just be as hard as pushing the defence on Global warming... but solve one and you solve both...

It's strange how money dictates the quality of life on our planet... the quality of life should come first at all costs...

Thats what your saying to me... but you didn't say much... I read between the lines...

But that does not make the debate dead... it means it needs to be pushed until some one listens...
 


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The controversy is completely artificial and is generated by people and corporations

corporations are not creating the Controversy, they are causing the problem... The research being done is by Scinence teams and then it's SOME Goverments that are saying it's not enough proof...

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corporations who would lose money if steps were taken to reduce the severity of global warming

Your right Corporations such as BP and other oil / Petrol and so forth would lose money unless that had an alternative already made...

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There is no longer any debate about global warming

There may not be as we are not in a position to change Massively... but there are still things that can be done even in our daily lives that would reduce the effects of Global warming... Cutting down Power Usage, Walking rather than  driving, getting CFC friends Spray's, Recycling etc...

It can start small... It does not have to factor large Corporations to slow it...

Cool kids Question Was What can we do about it ?

I have answered... you Have answered... and your Answer is we can do nothing I disagree...

It does not matter how many time I read you poxy post... It says the same thing...

I know we can't stop Global Warming but we can slow it down

 


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Oh Jesus

Thanks for the Compliment... Stop, your giving me a God like Complex...
 


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So JH, why are you posting in ID if your attitude is like that =/ You've decided it's an artificial controversy (which I think is a pretty uneducated conclusion, sure the whole thing could be considered overrated but it's still a pretty notable problem), but it's not like landofshadows isn't trying to show you his side and get a decent response or isn't making valid points.

Also, for somebody who a) is banned and b) didn't care about being here anyway, you're online an awful lot =/
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So JH, why are you posting in ID if your attitude is like that =/ You've decided it's an artificial controversy (which I think is a pretty uneducated conclusion, sure the whole thing could be considered overrated but it's still a pretty notable problem), but it's not like landofshadows isn't trying to show you his side and get a decent response or isn't making valid points.

He read my post with his usual American stereotype in mind. The debate about global warming's existence is over, and everyone knows it is happening. The only people who question its reality are backed by oil companies and the like - the controversy is fake, just like the one about evolution.

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Also, for somebody who a) is banned and b) didn't care about being here anyway, you're online an awful lot =/

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He read my post with his usual American stereotype in mind

Nope, I think you read my Reply with a slight hate of me in mind... and then posted some thing that is fairly off...

I guessed it was Jesus Hitler From my other thread on Korea... I think me and him see things very differently... even though I draw my stereo typing from the same place most others do of late... I know American's are not all like how pertray them...

Even still Ultra Santa (AKA Jesus Hitler) - If I have upset you there is no need to rubbish up some one else thread... PM me hate mail if you like, I have a delete button  ;)

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The debate about global warming's existence is over, and everyone knows it is happening.

Coolkid didn't... Hence the thread... And still some Goverments are refusing Global warming is to Blame for the Weather and Adverse effects... When there are many differences of opinion then how can a debate be over... In fact a Debate is never really over... Common laws are always changing as to are policies...

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just like the one about evolution

Evolution may one day be disproven... You see thats a Debate thats still on going even though its widley Accepted... So in your one paragraph there is a Conflict within your own theory...

If Global Warming Continues it could cool down the Warm Current (Gulf Stream) and may have some pretty nasty results... A bit like the film "the day after tomorrow" But thats no doubt spun out of the worst case senario to make entertaining viewing...

And that too is pretty interesting, Could Global Warming cause the fall of Man ?...

If we look at the rate the Ice caps are melting and then look at the highest points of land above sea level, then try and equate how much ice will need to melt before that highest most point will be sub-merged, it is possible that the entire land mass could be at least halved, they by reducing the expansion of human life...

And then you best hope Evolution is a Sound theory, as if we don't adapt (like in the film Sea world) we could be buggered...LOL

(Well all that was well over the top... but its possible... The Science fiction of today is the future of tomorrow as they say... who's to say Sea world may not become the Earth... heck we would have to rename the planet to Mostly Water, wont be no Earth...LOL)
 


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Seeing his name, I already realized who Ultra Santa is.

I can tell you guys only one thing:
There was no snow till now at my place this winter and that IS unusual. It's much too warm.
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He read my post with his usual American stereotype in mind

Nope, I think you read my Reply with a slight hate of me in mind... and then posted some thing that is fairly off...

What shit.

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I guessed it was Jesus Hitler From my other thread on Korea...

I haven't tried to hide my identity.

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I know American's are not all like how pertray them...

You sure don't act like it.

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The debate about global warming's existence is over, and everyone knows it is happening.

Coolkid didn't... Hence the thread... And still some Goverments are refusing Global warming is to Blame for the Weather and Adverse effects... When there are many differences of opinion then how can a debate be over... In fact a Debate is never really over... Common laws are always changing as to are policies...

I meant the debate was over as far as people who mattered were concerned. What George Bush thinks about global warming is useless because he is tainted by the oil industry and because he is not a scientist.

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just like the one about evolution

Evolution may one day be disproven... You see thats a Debate thats still on going even though its widley Accepted... So in your one paragraph there is a Conflict within your own theory...

Every theory that currently exists may one day be disproved, but that doesn't mean that it is likely. Just like with global warming, the debate about evolution's existence is over as far as people who matter are concerned. The opinions of public figures who need the support of the public should be as important as your or my opinion.

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And that too is pretty interesting, Could Global Warming cause the fall of Man ?...

It may disrupt the current goings-on of men but it does not threaten our overall survival.

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(Well all that was well over the top... but its possible... The Science fiction of today is the future of tomorrow as they say... who's to say Sea world may not become the Earth... heck we would have to rename the planet to Mostly Water, wont be no Earth...LOL)

For a moment I thought you were making a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy joke, but then I remembered who I was talking to. (in the Guide the entry for Earth consists of two words: "Mostly harmless.")

EDIT: by the way, you have the water park Sea World mixed up with the movie Waterworld. An easy mistake to make if you only know enough English to work as a cashier at a McDonald's.
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EDIT: by the way, you have the water park Sea World mixed up with the movie Waterworld. An easy mistake to make if you only know enough English to work as a cashier at a McDonald's.

LOL... thats pretty good... Well I have never watched Waterworld... And I work in IT, never worked in McD's, and if I was to Stereo type you further, I bet you live there...LOL... My Worst Job ever was working in a POrno Packing Factory when I was 14 to buy my 1st PSone (it was paid by the amount I done, 4p per Video I stuck to a Mag then into a Plastic Sleave...) If you work some place that is that degrading it makes you appreciate a Job much more when you find a half decent one... My Job at the mo is mainly around GPS and Mobile Camera's ANPR and integrating them into a working soloution with a back office set up... Just cuz I can't spell or get a name of a film right means Sod all, apart from I can be lazy from time to time... I have an IQ of 128 and thats good for some one who has as much trouble as I do, reading and writing... (Granted I don't do much to help myself, but I don't see it as being to important, like some one who can't draw has no interest in drawing, doesn't make them any less inteligent)... Never assume some one is Dumb based on how Literal they are, take Albert Einstein for example he had Dyslexia

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For a moment I thought you were making a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy joke, but then I remembered who I was talking to. (in the Guide the entry for Earth consists of two words: "Mostly harmless.")

I am a pretty Humours Person, see my You Tube stuff ( http://rmrk.net/index.php/topic,7603.0.html )... and not all that you read by me should be taken seriously... I like you Jesus Hitler, you make me smile... And you have raised some points I agree with...

You got a Ban for a reason... Try and ease off a bit...

Here you go this may help:- Sorry if I have Upset you, it was not intended or ment to offend you, nothing I have said is aimed soley at you, apart from when I said you are most probley the type of guy that walks into a school Matrix style and wishes to form a mini death squad, cuz at current I still feel thats true...(I mean when you left you sent me a Picture of the KKK hanging a coloured person... Why ???...

Back to TOPIC

Here watch this Geeky Simulation I found of Global Warming... And this is based on the near future not distant... So who knows what the FUTURE could bring, the Fall of many is possible... and if your religious why doubt it, After all it happend to Noah, in around about way...LOL



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everybody brings up good points, cause yeah global warming isnt happening everywhere, but it will eventually, cause it sure is happening by me. things like the depleating ozone layer effect it a lot.

i also write short replies because usually people dont like reading loong replies. i dunno

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Global warming...

It is indeed a farce. No one will be able to do anything about it until China do something about their ever rising pollution levels. Yet, the pollution is suppossedly what's causing Global Warming...is it?

Carbon Dioxide which is considered one of the most polluting of the elements actually does no harm to the ozone layer itself, instead creating a blanket that traps heat beneath it. Carbon Dioxide also helps the trees to grow much faster than ever before because of photosynthesis and the temperature rise that allows plants, tree's, or anything that uses photosynthesis to become more efficient. Photosynthesis works best at around thirty degree's celcius.

Yes the polar ice caps are melting, but, there is little we can do now, as it is the CFC's that we ejected around thirty years ago into the atmosphere that caused the ozone to whither away there. For some reason the CFC's gathered at the poles. Thus heat and ultraviolet waves can get to the snow more easily. Global warming just helps this process along.

Once the planet become hot enough, it will eventually recycle and eventually cause the next ice age, of which we are long overdue for.

Global Warming will not wipe out the human race, it will merely provide another challenge for them to overcome. Therefore I return to my earlier point. Global Warming is far too over rated, it is nothing compared to what we have endured before.

I for one, wouldn't mind it becoming a little warmer.

To reply to Christina, Global Warming is happening second, the whithering of the ozone layer is happening first due to the CFC's that I mentioned before.

I'm sorry, I don't usually get into these debates, but I found myself wanting to say something. If anyone has any questions, please...ask away.
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I for one, wouldn't mind it becoming a little warmer.


WHERE THE HELL DO YOU LIVE?

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I live in the United Kingdom, the Peak District
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^^ It sure as hell ain't cool over here...

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Why where do you live?
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South Australia, it's been oddly hot here... =.=