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Smash Democracy NOW!

Started by hatefuckingforest, November 19, 2006, 05:57:08 PM

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GilgameshRO

Quote from: Rezistik on November 20, 2006, 10:56:33 PM
You seem like the kind of person thats a super Patriot, you know the type they have American flags and big trucks and they listen to country music. Well i may be wrong i dont even know if you live in America so that could make me look like an ass couldnt it.

Lets try to keep away from baseless personal accusations here.

Rezistik

Quote from: GilgameshRO on November 20, 2006, 11:43:48 PM
Quote from: Rezistik on November 20, 2006, 10:56:33 PM
You seem like the kind of person thats a super Patriot, you know the type they have American flags and big trucks and they listen to country music. Well i may be wrong i dont even know if you live in America so that could make me look like an ass couldnt it.

Lets try to keep away from baseless personal accusations here.

thats why i said im proably just making myself look like an ass
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haloOfTheSun

Then why bother saying it in the first place?
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Rezistik

.....I Have no logical explantion for this......
I did it...because...I did....
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hatefuckingforest

Let's get back to responding to my ascertion that Democracy is sick and unnatural and must be dismantled.

loonygamer

Quote from: hatefuckingforest on November 21, 2006, 01:36:04 AM
Let's get back to responding to my ascertion that Democracy is sick and unnatural and must be dismantled.

or we can talk about the 3 steps to success:
1. Foot

2. Ass

3. Foot UP ASS!!

Rezistik

Quote from: loonygamer on November 21, 2006, 02:36:33 AM
Quote from: hatefuckingforest on November 21, 2006, 01:36:04 AM
Let's get back to responding to my ascertion that Democracy is sick and unnatural and must be dismantled.

or we can talk about the 3 steps to success:
1. Foot

2. Ass

3. Foot UP ASS!!

Nicely put
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Djangonator

Quote from: hatefuckingforest on November 21, 2006, 01:36:04 AM
Let's get back to responding to my ascertion that Democracy is sick and unnatural and must be dismantled.

How exactly is it "sick and unnatural"?
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Jesus Hitler

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Quote from: Rezistik on November 20, 2006, 10:56:33 PMI love how you can ASSume that im the kind of person that just "opens his mouth to say something when he knows nothing" I really was just fooling around. Well not fooling around, Im sure "educated" people like yourselves know what it is to play the devils advocate.

This is, unless I am mistaken, a place to voice your opinion, not open your big mouth and say whatever pops into your head. Anyway, a devil's advocate is only needed when no one is present to defend the viewpoint, which ws not the case here. You are just being a jackass and shitting on this thread.

QuoteThats what i was doing. If you would stop gloating about how "great" America is and actually read the pots then take a second and think over it and how horrible democracy is to some people how it can be horrible for some people., How persecution is possible under this system.

Persecution isn't possible under other forms of government? Anyone who doesn't like the current government can always get elected and change it. Can you say that about other systems? You single out a particular system and rag on it without mentioning the other forms of government which are much more brutal.

EDIT: I just re-read your comment and I must say it disturbs me. Democracy isn't just unwanted to some people, but it is "horrible"? These and other comments confirm that you weren't being a devil's advocate after all. I suspect you are a relativist douchebag. By the way, you are the one who said America had the second best government in the world, as if you could quantify such a thing.

QuoteYou seem like the kind of person thats a super Patriot, you know the type they have American flags and big trucks and they listen to country music. Well i may be wrong i dont even kn if you live in America so that could make me look like an ass couldnt it. I beleive the best government is a democracy for most times. Some times a dictator is the best.,

Yeah, and I also shove McDonald's food down my gullet while driving to the gun store to pick up my second Uzi.

QuoteIf the dictator was thoughtful and tried to do the best for his people then that government then that system would work best, but this is rare just look at the list of dictators this is because of how a dictator is made because they are made by conquest. Even so some country's flourish or have flourished under systems such as dictatorships and monarchies.

Just because a dictator "means well" doesn't mean that he will actually do well. By the way, you are postulating the existence of a lot of perfect people - enough of them to maintain a government. If you had less than perfect people managing the government then corruption and incompetence would slowly seep in, and with no way to remove the harmful member of the government from power the population would suffer. This happens every time a dictatorship is established.

Rezistik

QuoteJust because a dictator "means well" doesn't mean that he will actually do well. By the way, you are postulating the existence of a lot of perfect people - enough of them to maintain a government. If you had less than perfect people managing the government then corruption and incompetence would slowly seep in, and with no way to remove the harmful member of the government from power the population would suffer. This happens every time a dictatorship is established.

You are right. Democracy is the best System in the world, We as American should be proud!! Because our government has never been corrupted, and were such a perfect little country.

QuoteJust because a dictator "means well" doesn't mean that he will actually do well. By the way, you are postulating the existence of a lot of perfect people - enough of them to maintain a government. If you had less than perfect people managing the government then corruption and incompetence would slowly seep in, and with no way to remove the harmful member of the government from power the population would suffer. This happens every time a dictatorship is established.


What i meant by this was: Democracy can ruin people lives, lets look back to the 1950's

or even a little bit farther back to the 1800's Democracy really fucked some people over, I'd go farther back like 1500"s but we were still ruled by England then so it doesn't count
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Persecution isn't possible under other forms of government? Anyone who doesn't like the current government can always get elected and change it. Can you say that about other systems? You single out a particular system and rag on it without mentioning the other forms of government which are much more brutal.



look back dude i mentioned other systems


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GilgameshRO

Quote from: Rezistik on November 21, 2006, 10:40:40 AM
I'd go farther back like 1500"s but we were still ruled by England then so it doesn't count

England didn't even successfully settle in America untill the 1600's.  This may not seem like an important or on topic point but I believe it support's Jesus Hitler's idea that you just open your mouth and spew shit that you don't actually know anything about.

Arrow

I don't think the 1800's should count either, as those injustices could easily be attributed to the fact that we were still a growing country and out political system could have (and WAS) easily been taken advantage of by a wealthy outside party.

We are reffering to the Guilded Age, right?

loonygamer

One thing...

Thanks to democracy, you can debate stuff like this without you getting arrested or executed. Democracy gives you freedom of expression. If you say this against a dictatorship, fascism, communism or whatever else one-man or one-party government, say goodbye to the world for you will be hunted down.

Jesus Hitler

Quote from: Rezistik on November 21, 2006, 10:40:40 AM
You are right. Democracy is the best System in the world, We as American should be proud!! Because our government has never been corrupted, and were such a perfect little country.

Well god forbid something reflects well on the US, right? The level of corruption in the US is monumental, but that corruption does not permeate every level of society like it does in some countries.

QuoteWhat i meant by this was: Democracy can ruin people lives, lets look back to the 1950's

or even a little bit farther back to the 1800's Democracy really fucked some people over, I'd go farther back like 1500"s but we were still ruled by England then so it doesn't count

Slavery wasn't created in a democratic society, you nitwit. It was done away with by the English fairly early on and the Northern states (which had traditions of democracy) had as well. The South seceded partially because their aristocratic - not democratic - society depended on slave labor to maintain its economy.

Segregation was a failure of democracy, and it was done away with as it infringed upon the rights of minorities - n example of democracy working.

Quotelook back dude i mentioned other systems

Hardly.

Quote from: loonygamer on November 23, 2006, 07:45:10 AM
One thing...

Thanks to democracy, you can debate stuff like this without you getting arrested or executed. Democracy gives you freedom of expression. If you say this against a dictatorship, fascism, communism or whatever else one-man or one-party government, say goodbye to the world for you will be hunted down.

I don't like that line of thought. It reminds me of what right-wingers and soldiers say when they hear anything they perceive to be anti-American: "We're fighting to protect your right to say that!" All it does is antagonize. A better way to go about the argument is to refute their claims, not try to make them feel obligated to the opposition.

SexualBubblegumX

Quote from: Djangonator on November 21, 2006, 02:46:35 AM
Quote from: hatefuckingforest on November 21, 2006, 01:36:04 AM
Let's get back to responding to my ascertion that Democracy is sick and unnatural and must be dismantled.

How exactly is it "sick and unnatural"?

Concordo.

GilgameshRO

Well, you don't see any other animals using democracy. Ussually the strongest rules. Still, I don't see how it's "sick".

Rezistik

Okay, im wrong and im an idiot. I open my mouth an spew shit when i have absolutely no idea what i am talking about. You win.
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SexualBubblegumX

You're being honest now. I should give you a cookie.