Christian Topic Be warned

cobragamer · April 15, 2007, 02:23:01 AM

Hey I was talking with some fellow believeers and we started talking about hell and if there is another like if hell and the lake of fire is different. Them there is also heaven and purgatory or abraham's bosom. So I was just thinking what you guys thought on this.

:) · April 15, 2007, 02:25:15 AM

I'm muslim so we have different beliefs in hell. I believe hell ISN'T a perminate place for your soul, instead it'a a "hospital" for your soul where it is cleansed of sins before going to heaven.

bulls84 · April 15, 2007, 02:47:02 AM

Quote from: Nouman on April 15, 2007, 02:25:15 AM
I'm muslim so we have different beliefs in hell. I believe hell ISN'T a perminate place for your soul, instead it'a a "hospital" for your soul where it is cleansed of sins before going to heaven.

That's interesting, because I am muslim as well and I have a different belief than you. So do most people I know.

:) · April 15, 2007, 02:48:56 AM

really? what do you believe?

bulls84 · April 15, 2007, 02:53:32 AM

Well actually I just got some clarifcation on this issue and to my knowledge, I do believe that eventually all muslims go to heaven.

:) · April 15, 2007, 03:58:59 AM

Quote from: bulls84 on April 15, 2007, 02:53:32 AM
Well actually I just got some clarifcation on this issue and to my knowledge, I do believe that eventually all muslims go to heaven.

only muslims? I believe (like I said its a healing place) then ALL people go to heaven.

Holkeye · April 15, 2007, 05:44:04 AM

I believe there is no hell, but there is no heaven either.

haloOfTheSun · April 15, 2007, 07:24:24 AM

Quote from: bulls84 on April 15, 2007, 02:53:32 AM
Well actually I just got some clarifcation on this issue and to my knowledge, I do believe that eventually all muslims go to heaven.

Funny how you had to get clarification for what you believe.

Djangonator · April 15, 2007, 09:55:51 AM

I've always been curious as to how the whole heaven/hell thing works. Do you go straight there after you die, or what?

cobragamer · April 15, 2007, 02:04:16 PM

So far how I belive is there is a heaven and a hell but I am also wondering is the lake of fire the same thing as hell or stronger or abrahams bosom something else as a waiting place

landofshadows · April 16, 2007, 08:04:14 AM

I think there are many hells and many heavens, depending on the person you are...

For example:-

You kill some one by arson:- you go to the Hell of the forever burning
You Tourture people:- Hell of the undying pains
You take your own life:- The Hell of the repeating last day
You kill more than 100 people:- You become a demon or a dark enterty, cappable of possetion

You live a lfe of celabussy:- The hevean of a 1,000,000 Virign's
You respect life and do no wrong:- The becoming of a gardian angle

Why I think this...

Energy does not stop exsisting it changes form, and depending on your energy flow you have a different aura... depending on your negative and possitive flow, you deside your own fait...

Also this idea is in keeping with ancient china and parts of asia... granted I have altered it to suite me and my idea's and my workings of the ocult.

Link · April 16, 2007, 10:44:35 AM

if hevens real its real, but where did the idea of heaven come from?

also if there was the idea that if you kill 100 you get to be a demon...wouldnt that be a push for people to kill

landofshadows · April 16, 2007, 11:04:03 AM

Quotealso if there was the idea that if you kill 100 you get to be a demon...wouldnt that be a push for people to kill

Yeah, if you want to join the Djjin's in the alternative world I guess... Think of Spawn the comic... that kind of follows suite...LOL

I don't consider Pure Christian topic's as Intelligent, to void out other religion's in my opinion is closing off your mind and narrowing the debate... I Hope my views and others from different religious backgrounds are still welcome.

Holkeye · April 16, 2007, 11:52:49 AM

Quote from: landofshadows on April 16, 2007, 11:04:03 AM
Quotealso if there was the idea that if you kill 100 you get to be a demon...wouldnt that be a push for people to kill

Yeah, if you want to join the Djjin's in the alternative world I guess... Think of Spawn the comic... that kind of follows suite...LOL

I don't consider Pure Christian topic's as Intelligent, to void out other religion's in my opinion is closing off your mind and narrowing the debate... I Hope my views and others from different religious backgrounds are still welcome.

You don't think that being Christian is intelligent, but you believe that if you kill 100 people, you'll become a demon? I think both ideas are equally insane.

landofshadows · April 16, 2007, 12:13:05 PM

QuoteYou don't think that being Christian is intelligent, but you believe that if you kill 100 people, you'll become a demon? I think both ideas are equally insane

Did I say that then ?

I said excluding others than Christians is being a little Narrow minded (In a sense)

I mean Muslim's religion has documented before human lived another creature call the Jinn...

Here Wikki Quote:-

QuoteJinn in pre-Islamic Era
For the ancient Semites, jinn were spirits of vanished ancient peoples who acted during the night and disappeared with the first light of dawn; they could make themselves invisible or change shape into animals at will; these spirits were commonly believed to be responsible for diseases and for the manias of some lunatics. Types of jinn include the ghul ("night shade", which can change shape), the sila (which cannot change shape), the afrit [ai'f??t], and "marid" [m?'??d]. From information in The Arabian Nights, marid seem to be the strongest form of jinn, followed by afrit, and then the rest of the jinn.

Arabs believed that the jinn were spirits of fire, although sometimes they associated them with succubi (demons in the forms of beautiful women). The feminine form of jinn is "jinniyah" or "jinneyeh". Jinns can posess people, by entering their body. These posessed people need to be seen by a (maulvi in urdu) an islamic scholar. The scholars read arabic chants and blow on the person affected.

Try studiing other religions... I have...

You can find simular links in most religions, all have demons and so fourth... I like the above, and have adoptted that...

My Religion is my own, it's a mix of all religions... Christianity also... But more from the angle as Jesus being a profit, rather than the son of God...

And I think a Hell for one person could be a hevean for another... depending on how twisted you are... LOL

Think Hellraiser for example, or other Clive Barker stories... Some of those like bloodlines or tourtures Souls could hold some truth...

Again he has looked into religion and the occult... I think Hell, Pergatory, limbo and such like all exist, as does what some may define as hevean, santury or the next life and so fourth...

And what if I am slightly insane... isn't every one ?
(I would say driving at 70mph and above with nothing but an air bag to save your life should you crash is insane, yet I do it almost every day)...LOL

Blizzard · April 16, 2007, 12:47:59 PM

I agree with the very last statement.

Quote from: landofshadows on April 16, 2007, 08:04:14 AM
You respect life and do no wrong:- The becoming of a gardian angle

Lol, sounds like my upcoming fate.

Roph · April 16, 2007, 05:08:37 PM

RE: Hell/Heaven

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Holkeye · April 16, 2007, 05:23:42 PM

A few things wrong with that video:

- Saying that religion hurts the world is a pretty bold statement. Instead of this pompous jackass telling people to abandon religion and making it sound like a recovery of some sort, perhaps he should do what should be done, which is live and let live. Religion isn't the problem, its the deeds of men that are.

- Regarding the statement that something is not a fact because there is no evidence is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I'm not a Mormon, and anyone here that knows me knows that though a bit spiritual, I am not religious. Anyone with a lick of intelligence should know that LACK OF EVIDENCE FOR SOMETHING IS NOT EVIDENCE AGAINST IT.

- I've never hated the word delusional more than I do right now, but like I always say, it is man's ability to be delusional that separates us from animals.

While I agree that organized Religion is mostly based on falsities, this video is just a joke. This guy is a nobody, and his opinions are unfounded.

landofshadows · April 16, 2007, 07:38:54 PM

The video Silver just added shows how many people bron with common sense can view the world...

But most people are not born with choices to choose a faith (if they even want one)... Most are forced... And what you get preached when your young is in kind a type of brainwashing... I feel a little sorry for some people who get drawn into choosing ONE religion...

Kokowam · April 16, 2007, 09:56:46 PM

I just saw the first checklist about Mormons then stopped. They're kind of odd. They believe they can have multiple wives and it's fine. They have a different bible which, when compared to old texts that it was based on, was very different while the bible (regular one) was a lot like the Dead Sea scrolls. It wasn't just coincidence that kids playing in the valley or whatever managed to find those scrolls. I don't believe in coincidences, only coinky-dinks.

Irock · April 16, 2007, 10:18:57 PM

Silverline, that video is a joke. I'm not going to repeat Holk.

When he got to Christianity, he said everything was "magical" trying to make it sound like a nursery story. All of those religions believe, god can make anything happen. God made Mary pregnant so Jesus could be born. maybe God whiped out the Jewish cities, maybe he made the angels appear. Religion doesn't need scientific facts to back it up.

And I don't see why we have the same debate over and over.

Roph · April 16, 2007, 11:20:56 PM

QuoteMormons then stopped. They're kind of odd. They believe they can have multiple wives and it's fine. They have a different bible which, when compared to old te

I have no idea where everybody gets this; both are false. And The Book Of Mormon and Doctrine&Covenants / Pearl Of Great Price aren't used in replacement of the Bible, the King James bible is used alongside and just as much, if not more often.

Kokowam · April 16, 2007, 11:43:35 PM

Yeah, but they hold the Mormon bible a bit higher than the regular bible. I learned this at church when the pastor was talking about the differences between the different types of protestants. I have no idea where anybody else is getting it from

landofshadows · April 17, 2007, 08:08:03 AM

The debate is more based on is there a Hell...?

Every religion mentions a Hell of a kind... And every one of us knows to a degree what is wrong and what s right... Why do we know of these things unless it had a great purpose... I think there could be more after life... I have no idea what that some thing is...

But if we go by energy, you can have negative and positive, may be we are used for different purposes after death ?

Kashii · April 18, 2007, 04:24:21 PM

Lawl. I'm sorry but when someome says the BOM is the same as jack the bean stock I cant help but b all omg hhahaha ok sure~

I was raised Mormon, I've had doubts and stopped going to church etc in the past. But about 2 years ago I found for myself what I came to belive. I wasn't living at home so I really got time to just do whatever~ I'm LDS aka:mormon~ I truely believe in it.

Which means as far as the hell question that I believe there are 3 stages of Heaven and there is a hell~.

Those who arent mormon, go to heaven as far as I believe as well~ Don't have 2 b~

As far as my beliefs go I believe everyone will be judged by God according to their lives here. Thats about it. -shrug-

LOS - killing ppl and becoming a demon who can possess sounds pretty fun X_X.

Also Silver is right about the bible~