Midi Composer?

[Blizzard]

Of course nobody can make anything really good in 10 minutes, don't be ridiculious.
True, FL is a good program, but that doesn't mean there are better ones. I haven't tried too many, so I can't tell. If you REALLY want a sample-based program, try any e-Jay. That's what I started with, but I pushed it over the limits and needed something more advanced where I can actually create samples. That's how I got to FruityLoops.

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Linky

Created out of nothing. No pre-made samples.

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@Decadent: Sounds cool. Good work. And you made that in FL? Amazing. Although FL may not be the best program for such music pieces, I think it still can be used for that. I wonder if somebody could make a dancy-trancy song in Finale. O_o

@ataraxy2: 6 XXL.

[Nightwolf]

FL demo lacs save thats why i dont use it..

[Blizzard]

Buy or hax.

[Decadent Sympozium]

There, now you have two things from Fruity Loops. A neo-classica and Blizzard's Melodic Trance (Which is great, your mix/master is a bit screwed up but it's a very sweet composition). Now you can also listen to this, what is also made in Fruity Loops (MIDI): Metal

All three are FLS. You think you can't do something with Fruity Loops? It's not that you can't, it's that you don't know how.

[ataraxy2]

6 XXL is a pain to pirate... I'm still stuck with 5 XXL.

I recently found out someone who made a cool remix used FL. They told me that the only way that FL was good for him was to boycott Packs "as all the samples there suck" and download VSTs. I wouldn't say that they suck... Clap 2 is my favourite Hat.

Downloading that song now... so Decadent Sympozium - by any chance would you agree with him?

Both of you are talking bullshit.

That isn't my opinion, it's a friend who has used ACID, FL, Reason

[haloOfTheSun]

Since when does "anyone" mean "everyone"? I never said everyone who uses Fruity Loops spends ten minutes on whatever and then says "Hey, I made some music!".

Secondly, the vast majority of users of Fruity Loops produce nothing more than crap, and they would hardly be considered composers.

And in that bulk of a paragraph (seriously, separating into more paragraphs would have been easier to read), the list of features is not really impressive. Several other similar to Finale now include many of those features as well.

I never said anyone who uses FL can't make anything good. In fact, I recall saying I had heard a few good things. But it encourages users to write (and I use that word incredibly loosely) songs (again, loosely) that are so repetitive, your head wants to explode, which is a major reason it isn't respected.

As you said, it's a sequencer. Some of us actually like to compose. I need to be able to write out my music, and I need also to do several things you just can't do with FL, which is also another downfall, as it lacks more of the technical aspects of playing an instrument. (Although, one could argue that a good sound library would solve this problem.)

The question of creativity is plain stupid, without talent, knowledge and experience you won't do anything regardless of what you use to make music.

Don't be ridiculous. FL encourages the lack of musical knowledge, as again anyone can slap anything together. BUT I also doubt very many of the more skilled FL users have that knowledge either. And talent applies the same as well. You don't need talent to make a good song in FL. You just need to be good with the program.

As for your song, it's decent. I'm sure you could've done it in Finale in less time and ended up with the same result for that type of song.

I wonder if somebody could make a dancy-trancy song in Finale. O_o

It wouldn't be that difficult, you'd just need a proper soundfont and you're set.

BTW, you're all taking my 10 minutes remark too seriously. I'm sure those kinds of people spend more like... 20 minutes on a song.

In addition, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to say Fruity Loops is comparable to RPG Maker XP. You have the freedom to do nearly anything with scripts, and it's possible you could make a great game, but how many people make truly great games with RPG Maker XP? I've yet to see one. I've seen plenty of decent/good ones, but not great. The same goes with Fruity Loops. You may have the possibility to do whatever with it, but how many people make great songs with it? I have yet to hear one. I've heard plenty of decent/good ones, but not great.

[Decadent Sympozium]

6 XXL is a pain to pirate... I'm still stuck with 5 XXL.

Took me 10 seconds to crack.

I recently found out someone who made a cool remix used FL. They told me that the only way that FL was good for him was to boycott Packs "as all the samples there suck" and download VSTs. I wouldn't say that they suck... Clap 2 is my favourite Hat.

I didn't quite understand what you wrote but I can say that FL samples are worst piece of shit, except for those few efx-es, a single clap that sounds good when overdriven or reversed, and some loops that have good fragments for backrythm but it has good filters, very good mastering tools and some very good synths.

Both of you are talking bullshit.

That isn't my opinion, it's a friend who has used ACID, FL, Reason

Yes, so? I have Cubase all versions, Reason all versions, E-Jay all versions, Acid all versions, Tabit, Guitar Pro, Cakewalk, Logic and all versions of Fruity Loops. I claim Fruity Loops is the best.

[Blizzard]

I'm sure those kinds of people spend more like... 20 minutes on a song.

Lol, <3

Yeah, it's true that too many people who have no idea of music use FL, because it seems simple to start with. I don't deny that there is a lot of crap made in FL. I think this goes ver analogue with RMXP. It's way easier to use than older RM version (really?) and you can just add anybody's script and make your game a little bit better. If people get something which makes it easy to make stuff, they tend to be lazy and nothing great can come out of this it you're lazy. =/
So that's the same reason why many RMXP games suck so much.

6 XXL is a pain to pirate... I'm still stuck with 5 XXL.

Took me 10 seconds to crack.

Heh, copy-past on my PC doesn't take 10 seconds.

e-Jay is good to start with maybe, but it actually sucks pretty hard.

[Decadent Sympozium]

Since when does "anyone" mean "everyone"? I never said everyone who uses Fruity Loops spends ten minutes on whatever and then says "Hey, I made some music!".

Secondly, the vast majority of users of Fruity Loops produce nothing more than crap, and they would hardly be considered composers.

And in that bulk of a paragraph (seriously, separating into more paragraphs would have been easier to read), the list of features is not really impressive. Several other similar to Finale now include many of those features as well.

I never said anyone who uses FL can't make anything good. In fact, I recall saying I had heard a few good things. But it encourages users to write (and I use that word incredibly loosely) songs (again, loosely) that are so repetitive, your head wants to explode, which is a major reason it isn't respected.

As you said, it's a sequencer. Some of us actually like to compose. I need to be able to write out my music, and I need also to do several things you just can't do with FL, which is also another downfall, as it lacks more of the technical aspects of playing an instrument. (Although, one could argue that a good sound library would solve this problem.)

The question of creativity is plain stupid, without talent, knowledge and experience you won't do anything regardless of what you use to make music.

Don't be ridiculous. FL encourages the lack of musical knowledge, as again anyone can slap anything together. BUT I also doubt very many of the more skilled FL users have that knowledge either. And talent applies the same as well. You don't need talent to make a good song in FL. You just need to be good with the program.

As for your song, it's decent. I'm sure you could've done it in Finale in less time and ended up with the same result for that type of song.

I wonder if somebody could make a dancy-trancy song in Finale. O_o

It wouldn't be that difficult, you'd just need a proper soundfont and you're set.

BTW, you're all taking my 10 minutes remark too seriously. I'm sure those kinds of people spend more like... 20 minutes on a song.

In addition, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to say Fruity Loops is comparable to RPG Maker XP. You have the freedom to do nearly anything with scripts, and it's possible you could make a great game, but how many people make truly great games with RPG Maker XP? I've yet to see one. I've seen plenty of decent/good ones, but not great. The same goes with Fruity Loops. You may have the possibility to do whatever with it, but how many people make great songs with it? I have yet to hear one. I've heard plenty of decent/good ones, but not great.

What you're missing here, again, is the fact that a bad song is a bad song, a good song is a good song, and an amazing song is an amazing song. The majority of FL users suck. So do Cubase and Reason, and most of them sleep in E-Jay and Acid. The explanation to question why more FL lies in fact FL is simply more user frendly. It's interface and presentation of music to you is encouraging. THAT IS A MAJOR and common reason. Though I always listen to whines "Gee I wish I can do music like you". Oh really? Start learning and studying. I know thousands of artists. I know very few who at the same time do excellent music and have very little knowledge of theory. And even still, they know the theory of sound and creation perfectly, have absolute hear and can transcript any melody. It really doesn't matter how easy can you make something, with a 10 minute song you really will not get anywhere. No one respects a generic track. No one respects lack of mixing and mastering quality. No one will clap or pay for something that doesn't sound good. Simple as that.

[Blizzard]

True, FL is very user friendly. I would have never REALLY gotten into music that much if I didn't have FL. I would have stopped with e-Jay and that would have been it.
But look now at me, my songs already are "decent".

[ataraxy2]

In addition, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to say Fruity Loops is comparable to RPG Maker XP. You have the freedom to do nearly anything with scripts, and it's possible you could make a great game, but how many people make truly great games with RPG Maker XP? I've yet to see one. I've seen plenty of decent/good ones, but not great. The same goes with Fruity Loops. You may have the possibility to do whatever with it, but how many people make great songs with it? I have yet to hear one. I've heard plenty of decent/good ones, but not great.

That's odd... the majority of the stuff I've heard from FL makes me so bloody jealous that I can't do it.

http://www.dmashura.com/
http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?PID=893879&T=412574
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/view.php?id=1084370&sub=26209

It's as if I'm just missing something.

Quote from: ataraxy2 on Today at 12:39:12 AM
6 XXL is a pain to pirate... I'm still stuck with 5 XXL.

Took me 10 seconds to crack.

Oh. Now that's funny. (I meant I can't find it.)

[Decadent Sympozium]

In addition, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to say Fruity Loops is comparable to RPG Maker XP. You have the freedom to do nearly anything with scripts, and it's possible you could make a great game, but how many people make truly great games with RPG Maker XP? I've yet to see one. I've seen plenty of decent/good ones, but not great. The same goes with Fruity Loops. You may have the possibility to do whatever with it, but how many people make great songs with it? I have yet to hear one. I've heard plenty of decent/good ones, but not great.

That's the matter of your perspective and how well you exactly understand a genre. In my opinion, what I provided here, that neo-c track, it's good. I'm happy with it. I don't think it's amazing. I think it's alright. It's hard to make an amazing track. But I do know that some of my tracks were entittled "Fantastic", "Awe-inspiring", "Brutal in it's creative quality" while some of them, not all, were "Very good", "Good", "Alright", "Not bad" by some listeners. It differs. I haven't heard a single track from any software other than FL that impressed me. I heard good, neither impressed me. On the difference, I heard many tracks from FL that impressed me.  That can be a coincedance. Or not. I usually don't have hard time realizing who was using loops in his track, who did it with Fruity, who did it with cubase and reason. But whenever I hear a proffesional track, the one in which you CANNOT realize what sequencer was used, I always conclude its Fruity Loops. And it always is (When talking about electronica, soundscaping and neo-classic). This is where personal opinions come into question and as we know, this kind of discussion never ends.

[Blizzard]

Oh, you should listen to some of Halo's stuff. It's really good IMO.

[Decadent Sympozium]

I'd like to hear his work.

[Blizzard]

Browse the forums or just google for his stuff.

[Roph]

I'd like to hear his work.

http://slyph.org/index/content/view/14/37/

[Blizzard]

Lol, I usually find that link on google, too! xD

[ataraxy2]

Quote from: Decadent Sympozium on Yesterday at 12:48:38 AM
Quote from: ataraxy2 on Yesterday at 12:39:12 AM
6 XXL is a pain to pirate... I'm still stuck with 5 XXL.

Took me 10 seconds to crack.


Heh, copy-past on my PC doesn't take 10 seconds.

:|

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Finally... after one year I've managed to get the FLReg and FLEngine.

[Decadent Sympozium]

Quote from: Decadent Sympozium on Yesterday at 12:48:38 AM
Quote from: ataraxy2 on Yesterday at 12:39:12 AM
6 XXL is a pain to pirate... I'm still stuck with 5 XXL.

Took me 10 seconds to crack.


Heh, copy-past on my PC doesn't take 10 seconds.

:|

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Finally... after one year I've managed to get the FLReg and FLEngine.

Umm..congrats. 

[ataraxy2]

It's alot better.  I feel they've made it easier to use, especially the mixer. It's more flexible. This should be fun...

And your song is very good, I like music like that. I'm confused why you choose FL though, surely something else would've worked better. Anyway it's a great result. 

Just wondering... but I think we've gone off topic a bit...

[Decadent Sympozium]

It's alot better.  I feel they've made it easier to use, especially the mixer. It's more flexible. This should be fun...

And your song is very good, I like music like that. I'm confused why you choose FL though, surely something else would've worked better. Anyway it's a great result. 

Just wondering... but I think we've gone off topic a bit...

It's a lot better but it has some issues with the ASIO cards. It doesn't sound as good as it sounds on 5 and below but the difference is very...hmm...not too imporant for the majority, I guess. XD

[ataraxy2]

It's a lot better but it has some issues with the ASIO cards. It doesn't sound as good as it sounds on 5 and below but the difference is very...hmm...not too imporant for the majority, I guess. XD

I've just been on it all day, managed to make something I'm proud of (my head hurts from concentration now), but it's probably not complete. I think it sounds better (probably just me learning how to master better). I'll attach my newest song on my artist page in a moment on a new post! 

I also read the Bible, didn't teach me too much as I grew impatient with descriptions of knobs - I'll find out from trial and error thanks - but the guys at Image-Line sure have a sense of humour.