The War on Terror

I dont think its that bad...

Not right now, but during the initial strike...  And the backing of Israel against the Lebanon-based Shia Muslim armed group Hezbollah... Many died... I think the publics opinion (amoungst the Muslims) is not a very understanding one, they still claim an in justice...  And Bin Larden and his terrorist group are fighting against the agressor (thats how the people ther view this, he is their Hero)

And America Made him the Man he is...

Part of Bin Larden's Speach:-

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.

I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children - also in Iraq - as Bush Jr did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

The latter is one of your compatriots and co-religionists and I consider him to be neutral. So are the pretenders of freedom at the White House and the channels controlled by them able to run an interview with him?  So that he may relay to the American people what he has understood from us to be the reasons for our fight against you?

If you were to avoid these reasons, you will have taken the correct path that will lead America to the security that it was in before September 11th. This concerned the causes of the war.

It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him.

But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers, we were given three times the period required to execute the operations - all praise is due to Allah.

And it's no secret to you that the thinkers and perceptive ones from among the Americans warned Bush before the war and told him: "All that you want for securing America and removing the weapons of mass destruction - assuming they exist - is available to you, and the nations of the world are with you in the inspections, and it is in the interest of America that it not be thrust into an unjustified war with an unknown outcome."

But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.

So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled, and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his future. He fits the saying "like the naughty she-goat who used her hoof to dig up a knife from under the earth".

So I say to you, over 15,000 of our people have been killed and tens of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been killed and more than 10,000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.

Be aware that it is the nation who punishes the weak man when he causes the killing of one of its citizens for money, while letting the powerful one get off, when he causes the killing of more than 1000 of its sons, also for money.

And the same goes for your allies in Palestine. They terrorise the women and children, and kill and capture the men as they lie sleeping with their families on the mattresses, that you may recall that for every action, there is a reaction.

Finally, it behoves you to reflect on the last wills and testaments of the thousands who left you on the 11th as they gestured in despair. They are important testaments, which should be studied and researched.

Among the most important of what I read in them was some prose in their gestures before the collapse, where they say: "How mistaken we were to have allowed the White House to implement its aggressive foreign policies against the weak without supervision."

It is as if they were telling you, the people of America: "Hold to account those who have caused us to be killed, and happy is he who learns from others' mistakes."

And among that which I read in their gestures is a verse of poetry. "Injustice chases its people, and how unhealthy the bed of tyranny."

As has been said: "An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure."

And know that: "It is better to return to the truth than persist in error." And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth and children for the sake of the liar in the White House.

In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida. No.

Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security.

And Allah is our Guardian and Helper, while you have no Guardian or Helper. All peace be upon he who follows the Guidance.

One nations hero, another's terrorist.

One nations hero, another's terrorist.

Yep...

There is however a divide amoungst them... he has supporters but then he has thouse that think an eye for an eye is not the right way about things:- http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/religion/BinLaden'sTrap.htm

And then there are those that loved the fall of the towers:-



They say all this wouldn't of happend if we didn't not back Isreal...

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A Video on both sides of the Divide Israeli and Palestinian



This Video (BELOW) Shows the opions across the pond shared by many, I follow this slightly, but not to the same degree as I think Terrorist factions should be closed down, but so should the threat of oppression, both problems are as big as each other...



Why I think Terrorist factions should be removed... They insight hate against another race to the point of ethnic cleansing or Genicide... I also think the hatered of Jews is very unfounded, Jewish people are nice people... But so are Muslims (When both are away from the Middle East)... I think putting two groups of people with VERY stong religious faiths next to one another was a big mistake... (putting them in close quaters like that is like putting a Cat infront of a Dog Cage, and then hitting the Dog for trying to bite it, but letting the Cat claw its eyes out)

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My Stance is first tackle why the Terrorist act, and then tackle the acts of the terrorist should they remain...

I know this War differs from that in Iraq and Al-Qaeda, or even that of the IRA... but the fact that in all cases USA has atributed and help fuel the violence by trying to control it... Like throwing water on a alight frying pan...

Did you guys even click the link, and see they are URANIUM MUNITIONS, from the conflict...?

Why oh why do you expect me to believe anything from that site?

Jesus Hitler, last I checked this was in "Intelligent Debate", so maybe you sshould leave if you can't be intelligent about the topic. Offending people dosn't get anyone anywhere.

Cheers for that... Darico ... Not Sure Jesus HItler likes me, he sends me pictures of the KKK stringing up Black People for some reason...

LoS, you're an inconsistent idiot who avoids key evidence when it doesn't support what you want to believe, but will buy into pretty much any political conspiracy theory or alternative way of thinking. I'd say you're lacking in the intelligence department.
also- Why do you always bold people's names? I've never seen that before.

But either way at least you can see the way the USA handled things has made a terrorist faction help the invaded state and no doubt grown in numbers thanks to the Conflict...

...No shit? Saddam kept quite a lid on terrorism. I'll have to look into this alleged funding later.

You really like reading between the lines, look closer it says in nice big letters DO ONE...

So says the guy who reads into everything to look for conspiracy theory. Or rather, reads websites by crackpots with no lives that do.

Just TRY and see things from those in the Middle East, and how bad the USA must look, I think the USA has killed more people in the last 20 through arming, supporting and invading than the amount of Allied forces killed in the 2nd World war... I know thats not all down to Bush, but it has some thing to do with Policing the Planet and robbing resources in the process...

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gonorrhoea are both being fairly offensive)...

Yeah, I'm an asshole, I know.

Here is a none Lolarious site:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/2860759.stm

Well, I would hope that this doesn't come to pass.

And another:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

Am I the only one tired of overuse of Wikipedia links in these debates?

Here's a link for those who like printing stuff out to read while on the loo:-

Eww.

So I take it that you think the War on Terror is going pretty well the way its going now then ?... If not how do you think it should be done ?

I've explained this already.

And if you do think its going well, what parts have gone well, apart from the Phillipeans ?

There have been smaller sucesses in various parts of the world and in Afghanistan (although there's still quite a bit to be done, the war's in its infancy after all).

Jesus Hitler, last I checked this was in "Intelligent Debate", so maybe you sshould leave if you can't be intelligent about the topic. Offending people dosn't get anyone anywhere.

I am being the reasonable person here. Why shouldn't I respond with hostility when someone suggests using terrorist tactics to fight terrorists?

the second is just a random stillborn freak.

It could of been you. And also stillborn babys look like any other baby except they are born dead.

It could have been you, too. What does that picture have to do with war?

Oh, and those pix have nothing to do with the war. And rense.com is a lolarious site.

Did you guys even click the link, and see they are URANIUM MUNITIONS, from the conflict...?

I clicked the link and saw an article about UFOs from the 1800s. Why do you always link to garbage? If you want to bitch about weapons which use depleted uranium then you can. All you did was show gross-out photos that look like they came off a pro-life site, so don't try to defend it.

You stupid asshole, we were talking about before Iraq's government was destroyed. Iraq had nothing to do with terrorists before it was invaded.

Iraq Funded many terrorist cells including Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, who then became part and parcel of the Al-Qaeda Network, I thought part of the over throwing of Saddam was to cut the funding to organisations like them... Sorry if I am wrong, No need for the Stupid Asshole line... But either way at least you can see the way the USA handled things has made a terrorist faction help the invaded state and no doubt grown in numbers thanks to the Conflict...

The Iraqi government never had anything to do with terrorists, especially militant Islamic terrorists. And yes, the stupid asshole line was needed and entirely appropriate. Anyway, the terrorists aren't helping Iraqi because they are turning the country into shit. Sure, America will withdraw, but then what? They won't just disband and assimilate into the population. They will fight and fight and fight until they destroy the land they are occupying. It happened in Afghanistan and it will happen to Iraq.

So you're saying that it would have been okay if the Nazis had taken over Europe and expelled all the non-Germanic people, but not killed them?

I am not saying that at all, what I am saying is its a lesser of two evils... Moving the problem or killing off the problem... Its like if some pikey's camped up near me, I wouldn't kill them I would have them moved on... Was it that hard to understand ??

That is insane.

Trying to defend your stupid ideas by saying that they were off the top of your head won't work because they're still sso incredibly ignorant that I can't imagine an adult human being thinking of them unless they never paid attention to the news.

Just TRY and see things from those in the Middle East, and how bad the USA must look, I think the USA has killed more people in the last 20 through arming, supporting and invading than the amount of Allied forces killed in the 2nd World war... I know thats not all down to Bush, but it has some thing to do with Policing the Planet and robbing resources in the process...

Thanks, Captain Hyperbole. Why don't you try to back that up with some proof?

EDIT: Nice deformed baby pictures, but neither of those are "facets of war". The first is clearly a Harlequin baby and the second is just a random stillborn freak. WHy did you post these and not pictures of people who have actually been maimed by war?

They are maimed by War... (Oh Sorry for posting the Images, I was Angry, I was being nice and Jesus Hitler and gonorrhoea are both being fairly offensive)... Dyslexia is a Learning disorder (see bottom of this post)

They are not "maimed by war". I know what depleted uranium is and does, by the way, so there's no need to link me to Wikipedia again.

(gonorrhoea & Jesus Hitler )

So I take it that you think the War on Terror is going pretty well the way its going now then ?

No, we never said that.

If not how do you think it should be done ?

I don't have all the answers, but Turkey is an Islamic country. However, unlike other Islamic countries, they do not identify themselves as Muslims but as Turks. There needs to be a stronger emphasis on national instead of religious unity in the Middle East. Strong nationalism isn't that great, but Turkey does not have a terrorist problem. This is only part of the solution, but I assure you that being nice and asking them won't work.

And America Made him the Man he is...

You need to cut that shit out. We have explained many times Osama's relationship with the United States.

Part of Bin Larden's Speach:-

tl;dr

By the way, we don't call you stupid becaue you are dyslexic, we say it because you are willfully ignorant.

Couldn't've said it better myself, JH.

Why has this topic been created and combed over for...I think the fourth time now?

I don't have all the answers, but Turkey is an Islamic country. However, unlike other Islamic countries, they do not identify themselves as Muslims but as Turks. There needs to be a stronger emphasis on national instead of religious unity in the Middle East. Strong nationalism isn't that great, but Turkey does not have a terrorist problem. This is only part of the solution, but I assure you that being nice and asking them won't work.

Thats the Answer I thought I would get... This is how MOST think... Muslim = Terrorist

It's not true... But that is the narrow minded thinking of most... The Muslim Faith is one of the most peace-full... And you call me ignorant.

I mean Israel is a Terrorist state... http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/israel_terr.htm

It just depends on your view... just like previously mentioned the objects of Good and Evil and right and wrong...Its down to the individual and the situation, to south Lebanon the people of Israel are in a terrorist state... To not even try and see things from other perspectives is being ignorant.

Why shouldn't I respond with hostility when someone suggests using terrorist tactics to fight terrorists?

Well if your funding a Terrorist state against Hezbolla (Terrorist Faction to some) then thats exactly what you are doing...

It could have been you, too. What does that picture have to do with war?

Americans used depleted Uranium in the Golf conflict in their amo...

inconsistent idiot who avoids key evidence when it doesn't support what you want to believe

I am Inconsistent as I am trying to give two sides to the debate... I avoid Key Evidence from the Middle East and America as most of it backs them-selves... its very one sided if you view either over the other... The Key points are thouse that both side states who is Evil and who is Good, and that makes me point out again, thats nothing but a point of view...

SIMPLE JUST FOR YOU TWO
Darth Vader (BUSH) thought what he was doing was for the better good of the universe (EARTH), and the Rebels are a band of scum he needs to stamp out (terrorist Network)... The Empire is America policing the world, the Rebels are thouse against change...

I know its not that simple... But it is to those who's lives are being crushed in Lebanon through occupation of the southern area's...

I can't really be asked to comment on the other item's most are attacks on me without and backing like for example:-

You need to cut that shit out. We have explained many times Osama's relationship with the United States.

So Osama just woke up one day did he and saif, oh today, I will Blow up the Twin Towers... Nope... read his speach why he says the USA drove him to it by slaughtering innocent people...

(I mean if I am to answer each this debate will just turn into an arguement of different opinions and will go around in circles)

What I want to know is, is the War on Terror right or wrong ?

If its Right how could it have been handled better ?

And do you think we can ever Win, will we ever be free of terror ?

Thats the Answer I thought I would get... This is how MOST think... Muslim = Terrorist

That's not what he's saying here. In fact, he's saying that Islamic nations do not necessarily have terrorist problems, and even gives the example of Turkey (there are other examples, as well, in the Caucasus and Central Asia afaik)

It's not true... But that is the narrow minded thinking of most... The Muslim Faith is one of the most peace-full... And you call me ignorant.

Islam isn't the problem, militant Fundamentalist Islam is.

To not even try and see things from other perspectives is being ignorant.

Except we do, and yet we still come to the same conclusions. Do you think that if we look at things from all sides all of a sudden we'll see it your way? Do you really think that even you, or I or JH, have or even can see it totally from the perspective of the Israelis, or from an average Hezbollah terrorist?

I am Inconsistent as I am trying to give two sides to the debate... I avoid Key Evidence from the Middle East and America as most of it backs them-selves... its very one sided if you view either over the other...

No, you're inconsistent on your perspective. Also, you're worse than I thought. You avoid evidence and then say it's because it's biased, even if it clearly isn't.

Darth Vader (BUSH) thought what he was doing was for the better good of the universe (EARTH), and the Rebels are a band of scum he needs to stamp out (terrorist Network)... The Empire is America policing the world, the Rebels are thouse against change...

Well, at least you didn't compare us to Mordor.
Also, although I've never seen Star Wars, as far as I can tell the Rebels are rebelling against an oppressive, Fascist-type regime (or something of that sort) and are generally more humane than the Empire.

But it is to those who's lives are being crushed in Lebanon through occupation of the southern area's...

And for those Israelis killed by Katyusha rockets?

If its Right how could it have been handled better ?

Why do you keep asking the same question over and over again, even when I've addressed my opinion on the matter? And JH as well?

And do you think we can ever Win, will we ever be free of terror ?

Never completely, but that isn't the point anyhow.

Never completely, but that isn't the point anyhow.

The Topic title is the War on terror, so if its a War that can never be won, why even start it ?

I know it can't be ignored, but surely there are ways that both sides can win a little and gain allot.

That's not what he's saying here. In fact, he's saying that Islamic nations do not necessarily have terrorist problems, and even gives the example of Turkey (there are other examples, as well, in the Caucasus and Central Asia afaik)

Islam isn't the problem, militant Fundamentalist Islam is.

Jihadi cells... I agree with that, but JH was very broad sweeping with his statement, sorry for misunderstanding.

Well, at least you didn't compare us to Mordor.

LOL...

And for those Israelis killed by Katyusha rockets?

And those in Lebanon by America missiles...

Why do you keep asking the same question over and over again, even when I've addressed my opinion on the matter? And JH as well?

I will try and stop, its just you keep saying how wrong I am but never give suggestions on how to better the situation, but then you mock the way its being done now... you are both very conffusing in your stance...?

You back your people not your leader, you back the cause but not the War... itsd hard for me to grasp what it is you expect from the War on terror when you admit it may never be won...?

It's not true... But that is the narrow minded thinking of most... The Muslim Faith is one of the most peace-full... And you call me ignorant.

Islam isn't the problem, militant Fundamentalist Islam is.

agreed.

I am Inconsistent as I am trying to give two sides to the debate... I avoid Key Evidence from the Middle East and America as most of it backs them-selves... its very one sided if you view either over the other...

No, you're inconsistent on your perspective. Also, you're worse than I thought. You avoid evidence and then say it's because it's biased, even if it clearly isn't.

Some evidence from both america and the middle east will be bias, but a equal amount would not be. The trick is to know if the person who has written the information down is being bias or showing both sides views.

Darth Vader (BUSH) thought what he was doing was for the better good of the universe (EARTH), and the Rebels are a band of scum he needs to stamp out (terrorist Network)... The Empire is America policing the world, the Rebels are thouse against change...

America policing the world? Um...

If its Right how could it have been handled better ?

Why do you keep asking the same question over and over again, even when I've addressed my opinion on the matter? And JH as well?

You arnt the only ones with opinions.

The Topic title is the War on terror, so if its a War that can never be won, why even start it ?

You misunderstood. As far as I know, it's merely to eliminate a good number of terrorist factions, most famously and importantly al-Qaeda. Bush's statements that the war intends to eliminate terrorism 100% is political rhetoric and another reason I don't respect him.

And those in Lebanon by America missiles...

American missiles don't intentionally strike Lebanese villages and aren't meant to terrorise the population into submission.

I will try and stop, its just you keep saying how wrong I am but never give suggestions on how to better the situation, but then you mock the way its being done now... you are both very conffusing in your stance...?

Well, I've said we should try and erode the terrorist's fanbase. This, however, is an oversimplification and a discussion of this can droll on and on and would touch on various subjects, places, events, groups, etc.

You arnt the only ones with opinions.

No, but we happen to be the ones the questions are directed at.

I've said we should try and erode the terrorist's fanbase

So how in your opinion (any one who feels simular to the above) would be best to do that Lebanon Hezbollah situation ?

(I choose this faction as they seemed to have the largest of backing and best political understanding)

The Missles they fired into Israel are unguided, they know the best routes advancing may take in their firing of missles was the best they could do... I am sure if they had better rockets they would have been better at hitting targets... But the American missles (Fired by Israel) hit a couple of Lebanon schools, and had also been fired fairly randomly, in exsessive force, some would say.  I know Hezbollah fired them from streets and Israel had very little choice in firering back, but many inocent people died, but then again Israel did drop flyers asking the mass population to evacuate...

I do agree Israel are the most Humaniterian over the two states in the way it handled its self, and if I was to defend one on Humanterian grounds it would be them... But the thing is these mini conflicts have been happening for decades from the point the Jews got moved there... They have never been welcome, and they never will be.  May be if they hadn't been placed in one place but spread out evenly over America, England and France these events would not be happening now...

I don't know how I would Erode the Hatered towards the Jews in Lebanon...

A Little Hitler in every leader ?

Some thing I have noticed are both sides being likened to Hitler... There are many sites saying Bush is carrying out the same acts against militant Fundamentalist Islam (Muslims within the middle east and Iran as the main backer for Arms) and then there are those creating likes between Arabs and Hitler...

Hitler Vs Bush




Hiter Vs Arabs




There are loads more but there the same RUBBISH as above... there was only one Hitler and that was Hitler...

Whats it with you and pictures?

So how in your opinion (any one who feels simular to the above) would be best to do that Lebanon Hezbollah situation ?

I would have to know more about this particular situation, as I don't know much about Hezbollah and the Israeli retaliation in southern Lebanon.

The Missles they fired into Israel are unguided

This is my problem with them. And if they were guided, do you really think it would make a difference? Seeing as, you know, the whole point was to scare off the Jews?

May be if they hadn't been placed in one place but spread out evenly over America, England and France these events would not be happening now...

There were too many Jews in Central Europe, and the French people weren't-and apparently still aren't- generally very loving towards our little Semitic friends.


Yeah, I wish I could stab people who compare various leaders to Hitler. Stab 'em like you knife crazy Brits.

Meh, well we don't use guns. Far too civilised XD

Stab 'em like you knife crazy Brits.

LOL... I guess that gets me back for calling Americans Gun Crazy...

Knife Crimes in England are fairly high:- http://www.crimeinfo.org.uk/servlet/factsheetservlet?command=viewfactsheet&factsheetid=108&category=factsheets

But no way nearly as high as Gun related Crimes in America... But eye for an eye... LMAO

This is my problem with them. And if they were guided, do you really think it would make a difference? Seeing as, you know, the whole point was to scare off the Jews?

Well, it wasn't to scare off the Jews... Lebanon came under fire before they fired back... Israel fired first for the Capture of two of their boarder patrol men... You see Hezbollah Captured them (Kidnapped in the words of Israel) and asked that Israel releases the soldirs from the Hezbollah faction, Israel has been capturing them for ages before Hezbollah retailiated...

Many of these situations seems so avoidable... Its all so messy...

Wouldn't it be nice if we all sang from the same hym sheet...?

Instead of looking at THIS IS MY COUNTRY AND MY FAITH, look at things as THIS IS MY WORLD AND MY HUMAN RACE... may when we have an enemy in space we will be more united as a planet and a Speicies... but until then I guess we will continue killing each other...

Whats it with you and pictures?

Those Pictures have play buttons on them, they are actually Videos, click the play button on them...

Whats it with you and pictures?

You may have noticed those pictures have play buttons on them, there actually Video's...LOL

Well, they dont load on mine, just the little red X. Everytime. lol.

Instead of looking at THIS IS MY COUNTRY AND MY FAITH, look at things as THIS IS MY WORLD AND MY HUMAN RACE... may when we have an enemy in space we will be more united as a planet and a Speicies... but until then I guess we will continue killing each other...

Well, we arn't here to decide if other life forms exsist on other planets. But I am sure if we where attacked we would try and come together to destroy the threat for the time being. And it would seem (leaving the whole alien thing) that the world is actually becoming more unified. Europe wants to become the USE or something along those lines.  Not so sure on this, we where told and where talking about it in my lunch break yesterday. I think it would be a good idea, but back to the matter at hand.

Many of the situations could be avoided, but they have been looking for a reason for so long and have finally found it.

Many of the situations could be avoided, but they have been looking for a reason for so long and have finally found it.

And that reason in most Black Gold... Oil...

But in Israel's case I think the USA see Israel as an extension of their own nation or something, like a mini pet project...

Like I said earlier, many people think America went in for the oil. And with the current crisis, who can really blame them? heh.

Well, it wasn't to scare off the Jews... Lebanon came under fire before they fired back... Israel fired first for the Capture of two of their boarder patrol men... You see Hezbollah Captured them (Kidnapped in the words of Israel) and asked that Israel releases the soldirs from the Hezbollah faction, Israel has been capturing them for ages before Hezbollah retailiated...

Eh, true enough (got my timeline messed up). But I still doubt they'd be anymore discriminate in their weapons usage.

Instead of looking at THIS IS MY COUNTRY AND MY FAITH, look at things as THIS IS MY WORLD AND MY HUMAN RACE... may when we have an enemy in space we will be more united as a planet and a Speicies... but until then I guess we will continue killing each other...

I'm applying for a Visa to Utopia, too.

And that reason in most Black Gold... Oil...

And other reasons.

I don't have all the answers, but Turkey is an Islamic country. However, unlike other Islamic countries, they do not identify themselves as Muslims but as Turks. There needs to be a stronger emphasis on national instead of religious unity in the Middle East. Strong nationalism isn't that great, but Turkey does not have a terrorist problem. This is only part of the solution, but I assure you that being nice and asking them won't work.

Thats the Answer I thought I would get... This is how MOST think... Muslim = Terrorist

It's not true... But that is the narrow minded thinking of most... The Muslim Faith is one of the most peace-full... And you call me ignorant.

WOW.

I mean Israel is a Terrorist state... http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/israel_terr.htm

I have no love for Israel, but they are attacked constantly. My suggestions for Arab/Muslim states can apply to Isreal, too.

Why shouldn't I respond with hostility when someone suggests using terrorist tactics to fight terrorists?

Well if your funding a Terrorist state against Hezbolla (Terrorist Faction to some) then thats exactly what you are doing...

Yeah, I guess a group that kidnaps people and indiscriminately fires unguided missiles into cities in a country that their homeland is not at war with could be considered "freedom fighters". Also, you seem to have the Unites States mixed up with Israel and me mixed up with the US government.

It could have been you, too. What does that picture have to do with war?

Americans used depleted Uranium in the Golf conflict in their amo...

Okay? And? I know all about DU, so there's no need to keep saying it. Those photos you showed were nothing but shock photos and it was obvious that they had nothing to do with DU.

SIMPLE JUST FOR YOU TWO
Darth Vader (BUSH) thought what he was doing was for the better good of the universe (EARTH), and the Rebels are a band of scum he needs to stamp out (terrorist Network)... The Empire is America policing the world, the Rebels are thouse against change...

Everything you say is a joke. Comparing Bush to Darth Vader and Hitler is fucking stupid.

I can't really be asked to comment on the other item's most are attacks on me without and backing like for example:-

You need to cut that shit out. We have explained many times Osama's relationship with the United States.

So Osama just woke up one day did he and saif, oh today, I will Blow up the Twin Towers... Nope... read his speach why he says the USA drove him to it by slaughtering innocent people...

So you don't trust American news sources because we are biased but Osama bin Laden is trustworthy?

What I want to know is, is the War on Terror right or wrong ?

Of course it is right.

If its Right how could it have been handled better ?

Why should I answer this question again? I threw out a suggestion and instead of talking about it or saying it is right or wrong you say "Typical American!"

gonorrhoea - I think we are slowly seeing each others point of view, I know I have a slightly warpped mind and I am open to suggestion and manipulation when I see a WEB sight with many references and so fourth, and may be I should listen to My own advice and stop trusting the Media just cuz I don't trust the Goverment doesn't mean I should trust sigts showing hear say  or have baked stories and pictures that could have been made in Photoshop...

So thanks... Just been loking at another topic in a thread called Chapter 322, check it out... Instead of Soaking in the clips shown like a sponge I have Analyized it and made my own thoughts known...

I think people want to think the world is against them and the powers that be are currupt, I have taken a small step back and looked at some of what I have put, and some of it (Actually most) is what I want to think rather than whats correct, I want the wrold to not be as borring as black and white... I Like What If's... I said it my-self about X-files...

I still think any War is wrong and depending on the side your on depends on if your a Good Guy or a Bad Guy... Every one who starts a War, feels what they are doing is for the better Good, and Irronically thats Bad... I doubt the Human kind will change for many years when it comes to War...

I doubt the War on terror will continue in more ground invasions after Iraq, I hope not any way... But I can see thing no doubt re-errupting in Israel and lebanon...

The War on Terror I guess sends out the right message to the Majority of the world, and the message to Terrorists we wont stand for any of it, and we wont be terrorised. But at the same time we have not really won a real battle on terror letten know a War... So its kind of Futile in pratice, good in theory though...

If its going to work the way its being pushed now it needs more backing, especially from neighbouring states, we need the support of the people Around the terrorist factions an attack from all sides or at least a few.

I still don't have all the answers, I would like to though, that envolves time travel and Quantum pyhsics, I studied that in my BTEC in Information Technology... LOL (I am not going to attempt to build or even buy a Time machine from Ebay)

I still also think Bush is a Prick...

So the only things I have shifted on is Blaming the USA for a greater portion of the happenings, I know see Terrorists are a greater threat, AT CURRENT, than the worlds Super power... (May be I only miss-trust the USA so, as I have a Slight Fear of Bush, I REALLY DONT TRUST HIM)


JESUS HITLER

States mixed up with Israel and me mixed up with the US government.

Israel is heavily backed by the USA, there are many reports of Nukes and missles been given to them by the USA that can hit and Arab state inc Iran, and Thats why Iran fund Hezbollah and other terroist factions a like... Thats why I mix Israel with the USA as USA is no doubt stamped on their war heads... And I don't confuse you with your Goverment, I am only asking what would you say in your INFINATE wisdom is the best approach to take if you was say the president (in around about way)...

I don't like the funding & backing your goverment has given to Israel as it left to a mass killing of inoccent lives, but if you didn't give that same backing then Israel would have been over run and many more would have died in the claming back of land by those in Lebanon, so I can see may be what has happened is the better of two Evils... If Lebanon did have free rain to kill the Jews in Israel it would have been a massacre without the USA's Backing...

So may be looking at states of life compared to life and the losses on both sides MAY BE the USA is doing the right thing, And may be its about time the Jews stayed put some place with out another country wanting them all dead...?? May be it would be wrong to move them, if you keep moving a problem it still remains a problem (that sounds like I am calling Jews a Problem, and I am not) What I am trying to say is there are a very displaced Race... And for some reason they tend to tick people off, I have never been ticked off with a Jewish person, all the ones I know are so laid back and nice, tyhey always seem to talk their way out of fights and nasty situations rather than choose to attack or fight back...

May be thats why, people see them as intelligent a threat to their way of life and a push over to over throw... Not sure... But I do agree they need defending as they are placed in a very militant Islamic area...

But at the same time may be Hezbollah needs listening to and a deal made to stop the trouble errupting again.

Oh and Jesus Hitler if you think I am personally attcking you I am not... Or not meaning to... But if you feel wronged, Sorry...

Everything you say is a joke. Comparing Bush to Darth Vader and Hitler is fucking stupid.

The Darth Vader thing was a simple way of showing a point, of Policing and forcing a changes of the world, and in some way that is whats going on...

I think George said it best when he said we should keep to ourselves...This policing is going to be the fucking death of us.

The United States already won "The War on Terror". It's just a matter of making sure it doesn't happen again.