I'm getting a new phone. The plan is on Verizon no matter what, so what I'm looking at is either an iPhone 4, or a Droid X. Same price.
Go wild with opinions and advice and all sorts of stuffs. I don't know which one to get.
When I upgrade and get my new phone from Verizon, I'm going to get a Droid.
But only because I plan on rooting it, and installing custom OS's and aps.
I've had Verizon since I first had a cell, but I'm leaving it now because of the iPhone. Not because the iPhone sucks or whatever, but because since getting the iPhone, Verizon has become more shitty than ever. I know you said you're sticking with Verizon, but I'd seriously consider doing what you can to choose a different provider.
I don't see how people can't come to this decision on their own. Everyone has their own preferences and needs, and usually the best way to figure out which product is best for you is to do research and actually try them out.
And part of that research is public opinion.
How exactly has Verizon become "shittier than ever?" I haven't seen/heard/noticed anything.
Me either, I'm with them too.
Yeah, I have been doing my research, and I've found pros and cons for both. I'm just getting public opinion. Maybe someone here has one of said phones and can give their two cents about if it's worth it or not.
Oh, I guess I forgot to mention...
I already have a droid, and already rooted it. It's an older model (the Droid Eris), but I still love it.
QuoteYeah, I have been doing my research, and I've found pros and cons for both. I'm just getting public opinion. Maybe someone here has one of said phones and can give their two cents about if it's worth it or not.
I prefer the iPhone 4. I'm now going to tell you why, and will only go into stuff that matters to me.
I find the whole experience (the operating system, the applications, etc) to be much more friendly, polished, enjoyable and consistent. I've had to opportunity to use the Droid X, along with a few other phones running Android, and they run choppily/unresponsively when zooming and doing other gestures, the interface leaves something to be desired, and it doesn't even come close to iOS in polish and attention to detail; not even close to my first generation (2007) iPod Touch running iOS 3. I could write paragraphs about this if I had an Android phone right next to me. You're also getting the largest application store there is with iOS, which is
much larger than what you'll find on Android. The iPhone 4 also has a vastly superior IPS display which is at a higher resolution and provides more pixels-per-inch. I also hear the iPhone 4 produces superior videos with its rear facing camera. The iPhone 4 also looks beautiful.
I've used iOS devies since 2007, and they've never let me down. I don't really care for HDMI-out ports, SD card slots, toasters and Flash- it's all useless to me on a mobile device. I care about the polish, the attention to detail, how elegantly the device works, the ease of use, the applications and so on and so forth.
Verizon is shittier than ever because on top of all the dead zones and dropped calls that I've had for the past 6 years, and on top of the shitty .brew file system that they used, now that the iPhone is out, they're dropping a lot of the features that they've had since the beginning. The big one for me is that they're no longer doing a new phone discount when you extend your contract, or when two years have gone by. I'm just going to end up getting a windows phone. If you like the iPhone, then there's nothing wrong (aside from the dead zones, but that's relative) with having Verizon. If I was going to stick around, I would definitely get a Droid, because Android phones are much more hacker-friendly than iOS phones. That's not to say that you can't do cool things in iOS, but for what I like to do, I want something that's virtually completely open.
Woah, WHAT? No new phone discount? I've been hanging on to this piece of shit because I'm supposed to get one in June- my mom just fucking got an android at the end of last year!
I'd go with android, since you are free to do pretty much whatever you want with it. Since it supports Micro SDHC cards also, you can put tons of extra storage on it and also use it as your music player.
>don't care about sd slots
>care about usability
irock all you want is a firm tug from jobs
Quote from: Strike Reyhi on March 02, 2011, 06:44:24 PM
>don't care about sd slots
>care about usability
irock all you want is a firm tug from jobs
I laughed
also
>make things less useful to the end user
>charge more
>?????
>Apple!
Quote from: Strike Reyhi on March 02, 2011, 06:44:24 PM
>don't care about sd slots
>care about usability
irock all you want is a firm tug from jobs
I never need to use more than the internal flash memory on the least expensive model. Problem?
Maybe you want an SD card slot in your phone. Maybe you prefer the Droid X for one reason or another. Cool. That's the beauty of capitalism; there are many different phones from many different companies you can choose from. There's no "one size fits all," and one person's set of needs and preferences aren't universal. That's something a lot of you guys don't seem to understand. You seem to think what you prefer is best and that everyone who prefers something else is wrong. That's not true. :)
Now, this thread isn't for bitching about someone else's thoughts and then throwing around insults. Try to act mature!
Actually, you're right, there's not such a thing as one size fits all.
Which is why ports and card slots are great. So you can make things bigger just in case.
Droid is actually moving faster than iOS imo, So going for that once im rid of this iphone which is like another year :P
row row fight the apple.
i heard from somewhere that iphones break easier than droids, but iphones have better apps and things
You know that iphone is a specific line of 4 devices, and that phones running android number in the hundreds, right?
Here in the US, there is a phone called the Droid, Roph. It is an HTC phone. i heard that from somewhere apps and things
Eh, I just call phones by their actual names. My phone isn't a san francisco, it's a ZTE Blade.
Quote from: Roph on April 12, 2011, 09:19:02 AM
You know that iphone is a specific line of 4 devices, and that phones running android number in the hundreds, right?
That's not really a good thing for developers though :/
It's not such a bad thing with computers and Windows, due to the huge amounts of hardware resources available for them, but on a mobile platform it becomes a serious issue when you can't be sure if an app is going to run on more than just your testbed device.
(NAM is not taking sides, just pointing out something)
I don't really see how that's different from apple apps that will run on an iphone 4 but not on the first iphone.
Google's market seems to have a pretty good knowledge of devices. I know of some apps that aren't compatible with mine, and if I go to their pages in the market I'm unable to install them, with it saying it's not compatible.
Really? You don't see how 4 iPhones over the course of 4 years is different from hundreds of Droids over the last 2?
Quote from: Roph on April 12, 2011, 05:29:48 PM
I don't really see how that's different from apple apps that will run on an iphone 4 but not on the first iphone.
Google's market seems to have a pretty good knowledge of devices. I know of some apps that aren't compatible with mine, and if I go to their pages in the market I'm unable to install them, with it saying it's not compatible.
If you develop an app for the iPhone 4 it will run on all iPhone 4s.
If you develop an app for the HTC Droid (whatever OS it uses) there is no guarantee that it will run on any other phone that uses the same OS, and many Androids use their own version of the OS.
Yeah if you develop an app for one specific Droid phone, it'll run on that phone for everyone probably, but the issue is that that model isn't the one you can guarantee your customers will have, so your market's ability to run your program is not guaranteed.
Which is why there are standard libraries?
This isn't like pre-1995 PC games where they included drivers to various pieces of hardware. It's instead like the various levels of directx. You don't make an app for a specific android phone, you make it for android. Am I missing something?
The only time I've seen app/phone incompatibility is for things like instruction sets (flash won't run on ARM6 processors for example) or newer features, akin to a new version of directx. A friend of mine is stuck with an android 1.6 phone so she misses out on a bunch of 2.1+ apps. What you're saying sounds so weird, as if there's no abstraction. Have you used android?
To give an example, even with standard libraries, Angry Birds had difficulty on launch with several android phones.
It's hardware issues, as in some are more powerful than others, and it's difficult to plan and program for each system's unique hardware limitations. Some have better processors, more memory, etc...
It's not about hardware abstraction, I'm aware they have that, I'm talking about restrictions imposed by the fact that there's less power in a handheld overall, so fluctuations are more noticeable to developers. It does cause issues, they can be planned and programmed for, but it's difficult given the sheer number of devices, to work with every possible issue.
nam really it's the same difference between mac and pc. the reason apply devices "just work" is because they control the hardware.
im taking the droid side now i just saw the funniest video about it
Quote from: Strike Reyhi on April 13, 2011, 05:41:54 AM
nam really it's the same difference between mac and pc. the reason apply devices "just work" is because they control the hardware.
I know it is, and there's a ton of games that can't run on a good chunk of modern computers. It's a disadvantage to the mobile market in my opinion, that's all I'm saying.
I certianly dont disagree.
Well kind of late to the game here but I'll give you my opinion based on every product I own.
iOS4: Pretty much my whole family has the iPhone 4 and I've got an iPad 2. It's all gravy, no real flaws but nothing too outstanding either. It's just average perfected. The app store is big and unpolluted but I despise using iTunes and the mobile market isn't too great either. No upgradeable storage (save for the iPad) is a big loss for me. I'm not a fan of virtual keyboards either.
Windows Mobile 7: My mother had an LG Quantum for a few months, and it was delightful. Amazing keyboard, beautiful OS (more polished version of the ZuneHD OS, which I fell in love with the day I got one). The only problem with this is the HUGELY empty app market. Also phonewise you get a few options, not as much as I'd like.
Android: Oh my god I love android. I got the Motorola Backflip a year ago at 1.5 and I was amazed, I had previously owned a blackberry curve and I couldn't stand the OS. So I was given the option to either get an iPhone or any smartphone of a similar price. (Easy choice for me, I couldn't stand the aesthetics of any iPhone until the 4th gen, especially the OS) So I got the Backflip, which was a great choice in my opinion, [spoiler=I mean look at dis shit](https://rmrk.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fareacellphone.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F03%2Fmotorola_backflip_android.jpg&hash=c15e68ad3900217b36d87a76b72f64e4a2e0c519)[/spoiler] full keyboard, 5mp camera that can rotate, and a delicious touch panel on the back so I could use it without my fingers taking up real estate. But the real beauty of it is, if I ever want to change it up I can get a new phone, pop the SD card out put it in any other Android 2.1 phone and enjoy all the great new hardware feature my previous phone didn't have. Going with Android means you have the choice of whatever phone you will have over the years.
And Irock honestly, I think Apple is pretty much the antagonist of Capitalism.
Quote from: Doctor Swordopolis on April 14, 2011, 05:50:05 AM
And Irock honestly, I think Apple is pretty much the antagonist of Capitalism.
¿qué?
Quote from: Doctor Swordopolis on April 14, 2011, 05:50:05 AM
Going with Android means you have the choice of whatever phone you will have over the years.
So does going with an iPhone 4, unless you buy something not wanting it :p
Quote from: NAMKCOR on April 14, 2011, 12:26:21 PM
Quote from: Doctor Swordopolis on April 14, 2011, 05:50:05 AM
Going with Android means you have the choice of whatever phone you will have over the years.
So does going with an iPhone 4, unless you buy something not wanting it :p
I said Android, I didn't specify phone. If you go with iOS4 you only have the choice of an iPhone.
Quote from: Doctor Swordopolis on April 15, 2011, 12:17:15 AM
Quote from: NAMKCOR on April 14, 2011, 12:26:21 PM
Quote from: Doctor Swordopolis on April 14, 2011, 05:50:05 AM
Going with Android means you have the choice of whatever phone you will have over the years.
So does going with an iPhone 4, unless you buy something not wanting it :p
I said Android, I didn't specify phone. If you go with iOS4 you only have the choice of an iPhone.
Quote from: Irock on April 14, 2011, 06:15:05 AM
Quote from: Doctor Swordopolis on April 14, 2011, 05:50:05 AM
And Irock honestly, I think Apple is pretty much the antagonist of Capitalism.
¿qué?
They make the same product for every market they're in. They don't give buyers much of a choice when going with an iPhone/iPod/Macintosh. (Like forced iTunes and Quicktime)
I don't agree with this statement as much now that I'm actually awake, but that's the point I was trying to make.
Also don't get me wrong I still enjoy the iPhone 4 and iPad 2.
It doesn't really matter, though. All android phones are basically the same on a certain level. Sure, getting deeper, you start to see the differences, but to most common users, they're all the same.
I'm talking about the phone itself. Like keyboards, cameras, screens, size and what not.
Oh, right. That's true.
Quote from: Doctor Swordopolis on April 15, 2011, 12:21:43 AM
Quote from: Irock on April 14, 2011, 06:15:05 AM
Quote from: Doctor Swordopolis on April 14, 2011, 05:50:05 AM
And Irock honestly, I think Apple is pretty much the antagonist of Capitalism.
¿qué?
They make the same product for every market they're in. They don't give buyers much of a choice when going with an iPhone/iPod/Macintosh. (Like forced iTunes and Quicktime)
I don't agree with this statement as much now that I'm actually awake, but that's the point I was trying to make.
Also don't get me wrong I still enjoy the iPhone 4 and iPad 2.
I don't understand why that was directed at me or what that has to do with capitalism.
You made a post about the beauty of capitalism in that you can choose to buy Apple, and I made a remark about Apple's lack of product differentiation. It's a stretch and I was barely conscious, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain ;o;
You're a very bad man!!
I'm still waiting for my purge.