Majora's Mask is better than OoT
Wind Waker is better than OoT
Wind Waker is the best game.
LOLCARTOON
But seriously, I tried to ignore the wind waker's graphics and get on with the game, and it bored me to death =|
Quote from: Roph on September 26, 2009, 04:31:36 AM
LOLCARTOON
But seriously, I tried to ignore the wind waker's graphics and get on with the game, and it bored me to death =|
I can definitely understand that. Graphics aside (I loved 'em), I went from the beginning to the triforce shard part pretty fast but that was a freaking game breaker I tell ya'. It made death seem like a viable alternative. :P
Quote from: chewey on September 26, 2009, 04:23:24 AM
Majora's Mask is better than OoT
Wind Waker is better than OoT
I've never played Majora's Mask but WW is definitely better imo than OoT. The world is so beautiful, the gameplay is so deep and rich and expansive and the fact that the floor masters don't look like raw beef. Seriously, playing the Forest Temple before eating Roast Beef ....the only thing that was being sent back to the start was my future meal.
Quote from: Roph on September 26, 2009, 04:31:36 AM
LOLCARTOON
But seriously, I tried to ignore the wind waker's graphics and get on with the game, and it bored me to death =|
I honestly don't understand what your problem is with WW's graphics? They're cartoony (cel shaded)?
That's it?
Really?It's one of the prettiest games ever. You're really dumb.
The graphics are beautiful. :]
And the game is super fun. I don't know how someone couldn't have fun with it. Everything from the combat to the exploration to the dungeons.
Quote from: Irock on September 26, 2009, 06:33:57 AM
The graphics are beautiful. :]
And the game is super fun. I don't know how someone couldn't have fun with it. Everything from the combat to the exploration to the dungeons.
The photography was a blast too! I loved the miniatures you could unlock and PJ Link is kind of the cutest thing I've ever seen.
I started replaying it a few weeks ago.
Stopped playing a week ago at that part where you had to fight all the bosses again. I'll probably continue playing in a few days. I can't remember most of Gannon's Tower.
Quote from: Irock on September 26, 2009, 07:51:38 AM
I started replaying it a few weeks ago.
Stopped playing a week ago at that part where you had to fight all the bosses again. I'll probably continue playing in a few days. I can't remember most of Gannon's Tower.
Yeah I haven't played it in over four years...Gosh gotta get it outta storage. :P
Always hated having to fight all of the bosses again.
A Link To The Past > the rest
I've only completed 2 zelda games, being the original on NES, and Link's Awakening (more specifically, the GBC DX version).
Awakening is my favourite zelda :)
Quote from: Holk on September 26, 2009, 01:17:33 PM
A Link To The Past > the rest
I think I played the remade version of that on GBA. Then I lost it when I almost finished the game. ;9
And I wish I had a GameCube so I could play WindWaker (I
think it's GC :P), but getting a GC just for that would be a bit of a waste ;9
Quote from: Holk on September 26, 2009, 01:17:33 PM
A Link To The Past > the rest
Minish Cap is also a surprisingly great game.
I remember playing that (on an emulator :P). It took three days or so :P DURING A SCHOOL WEEK ;8
If you're talking about Minish Cap, you must have overlooked a lot, lol.
Nah, out of the latest games I'd say the order is:
Majora's Mask
Ocarina of Time
Twilight Princess
Wind Waker
They're all good, of course.
Quote from: arlen on September 26, 2009, 05:29:24 PM
If you're talking about Minish Cap, you must have overlooked a lot, lol.
No, using the speed up thingy helps. :) I don't think I got EVERY SINGLE THING but I think that was because (I think the game had these) the game wouldn't give me the last figurine and I couldn't get all the secrets. :(
Wind Waker was the best zelda, MM second.
WW > MM > ALTTP > TP > MC > CDi > OOT
Quote from: mastermoo420 on September 26, 2009, 04:34:46 PM
And I wish I had a GameCube so I could play WindWaker (I think it's GC :P), but getting a GC just for that would be a bit of a waste ;9
You could get a Wii them play it on that.
Quote from: Boe on September 26, 2009, 05:47:59 PM
CDi > OOT
That's silly.
Yeah, get a Wii, and hack it so you can put emulators on it. The emu programs for the Wii were all updated in the last few months, and they look and perform incredibly well now, all with tons of options and even save-state abilities.
So if you did that, you'd have EVERY Zelda game.
- You could buy Twilight Princess and Wind Waker.
- You could download OoT and Majora's Mask on Virtual Console. (With or without paying for it, your choice)
- You have emulators for NES, SNES, and GBA.
The only Zelda game you couldn't play is the crappy CDi one. Big loss, lol.
I already have OoT and MM on a real N64. ;8
I do want a Wii, but they're so expensive (note I'm 15, and I can't really get a job even if I wanted to; no ride) ;-;
EDIT: LOL WUT? http://www.onemanga.com/The_Legend_of_Zelda_-_Four_Swords_Plus/
There's more like that.
Quote from: mastermoo420 on September 26, 2009, 09:05:11 PM
I do want a Wii, but they're so expensive (note I'm 15, and I can't really get a job even if I wanted to; no ride) ;-;
I don't have a job and I saved up 250$, and now they're only 200. Sooo...yeah.
OoT Master Quest. What did you guys think of it? I thought it was actually pretty tough. I never got far in it thought because I was more interested in WW. I think I got to the Fire Temple or Volcano...
Quote from: mastermoo420 on September 26, 2009, 09:05:11 PM
I already have OoT and MM on a real N64. ;8
So do I, the gold versions, I was just illustrating how owning a Wii means having every Zelda game worth having in one place.
Yeah. Try hooking up a NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, and Wii to the same TV.
And a GBA.
But I just realized we left out Phantom Hourglass, on the DS, which is also a great game. But that's only one you'll be missing out on.
But seriously, Link's Awakening and Link to the Past are what Zelda games should be like. Mysterious, mature, and ridiculously long and/or difficult. None of this ridiculous LINK FALLS DOWN BECAUSE HES EMBARRASED humor with wacky facial expressions and such.
Link matures in Wind Waker. It shows him going from a not so confident child to becoming the Waker of the Winds. The game becomes pretty epic (or whatever) as the story progresses.
lol hook up a GBA to a TV :tpg:
And yeah, I really want to play Phantom Hourglass. Thought that you were saying that you could play that on an emu, though. :P
Plus, I think I heard somewhere they're making a new Zelda for the DS? idk, probably just myths and whatnot.
You can emulate DS games
I don't think there's a DS emulator on Wii though.
They're going to release TLoZ Spirit Tracks for DS this year. Nintendo is supposedly developing a new Zelda on the Wii (http://www.zeldawiki.org/Zelda_Wii)
I remember watching a youtube video on the timeline of Link and his games. It was pretty fascinating. :o And then I remember watching a video by the same guy who got sent an e-mail from the Zelda pplz that it actually wasn't meant to have a timeline :P
I have a tingle game on DS.
I played all the way through Wind Waker, it's a great game, and even if Link matures in the game, Phantom Hourglass is a DIRECT sequel, and he's back to being goofy and childish in that game.
So there. :p
Quote from: arlen on September 28, 2009, 08:33:57 PM
But seriously, Majora's Mask is what all Zelda games should be like. Mysterious, mature, and ridiculously long and/or difficult. None of this ridiculous LINK FALLS DOWN BECAUSE HES EMBARRASED humor with wacky facial expressions and such.
To be fair, PH kind of sucked.
I didn't think so.
Quote from: chewey on September 29, 2009, 03:01:31 AM
Quote from: arlen on September 28, 2009, 08:33:57 PM
But seriously, Majora's Mask is what all Zelda games should be like. Mysterious, mature, and ridiculously long and/or difficult. None of this ridiculous LINK FALLS DOWN BECAUSE HES EMBARRASED humor with wacky facial expressions and such.
I second this. I thought Twilight Princess was pretty mysterious and mature, I really loved the aesthetics of the game.
The new concept art is certainly looking to change the overall tone of the series methinks.
Quote from: chewey on September 29, 2009, 03:01:31 AM
Quote from: arlen on September 28, 2009, 08:33:57 PM
But seriously, Majora's Mask is what all Zelda games should be like. Mysterious, mature, and ridiculously long and/or difficult. None of this ridiculous LINK FALLS DOWN BECAUSE HES EMBARRASED humor with wacky facial expressions and such.
Have you even played any of the older ones? I mean, I can understand the complete lack of Zelda I and II in this thread, they were intensely difficult games, and they haven't held up too well against the years. But anyway, Link's Awakening was about Link being in a dream world, and trying to wake up, but if he did that everybody he know in that world would vanish forever. One of those characters even knew that, and there was this really surreal "where do the seagulls come from" dialog about whether they're just in this world, or maybe they're from Link's world, and "what will happen to me once you wake up?"
[spoiler]Then you beat the game, and watch the entire world, and all it's people, fade away forever.[/spoiler]
That was awesome.
Not saying MM was a bad game, it's an amazing game.
Just saying LTTP and LA are better. :p
Also, MM wasn't that long. If you knew what you were doing, you could beat the game, getting pretty much everything IN the game, and only need to use all 3 days 3 or 4 times.
Man, I will be honest. I did miss Link's Awakening but I've meaning to play it for a really long time.
I did however play ALttP and I've never thought it was anything special.
NO
YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT
im not being rude but heres the thing
oot has the best story ever possible, better than majoras mask, another thing, majoras mask was made as a joke, not serious based.
oot has MORE action and MOre puzzles than majora;s mask and windwaker combined
oot has MORE characters
oot has BETTER weapons and items
oot also comes with masks, makes it alone better
OOT IS THE BEST GAME EVER CReATED EVER
Not an OOT-elitist here or anything, I see. ::) lol :V I kid.
Also, one comment: In LA, pressing A + B at the same time to get those arrow bombs were, without a doubt, the coolest thing that my childhood self could comprehend at the time when I had it for my GBC :3
Quote from: Holk on September 29, 2009, 01:32:50 AM
I have a tingle game on DS.
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Ol0URmtqw[/yt]
Quote from: EV3 of RenGal on September 29, 2009, 10:02:38 PM
Hey kid your fanboy is showing... ::)
I could never find a good rom of link's awakening and when I did I lost it. :P I haven't actually played a Zelda game in a long while so I can't actually say what had my favorite but probably it was Wind Waker because of all the other stories, as small as they were it was fun doing the side quests. The actual story I don't recall all that well but I thought it was pretty much just "Zelda" with the twist being that Hyrule is underwater. THey did an amazing job on Hyrule Castle.
I lvoed A Link to the Past, I've never actually beaten it though. I got to that last castle where you have to re-fight all the bosses and I could never make it through the dungeon, it's really confusing.
There's a storyline in it and it's actually kind of nice, but I think the tone and atmosphere make it great. For a 2D game it really nailed those.
Quote from: EV3 of RenGal on September 29, 2009, 10:02:38 PM
NO
YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT
im not being rude but heres the thing
oot has the best story ever possible
better than majoras mask
Not really. The story is basically just "Save Hyrule from Ganon because he's a really mean dude." I don't think it's really expanded upon much after that. Of course, this is the story of almost every Zelda game and Majora's Mask story is just, "Save Termina from the Skull Kid because he's a really mean dude." It's the intricacies between the beginning and end that make the games and I would argue Majora's Mask just has a lot more to offer there. Besides, its story (in my opinion) is a lot more engaging and dark because of everybody's reaction to the fucking MOON crashing down on them.
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another thing, majoras mask was made as a joke, not serious based.
Proof? The game looks pretty serious to me!
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oot has MORE action and MOre puzzles than majora;s mask and windwaker combined
More action? The only action a Zelda game has is killing monsters and bosses which, I assure you, every Zelda game ever has equal quantities of. You can't argue the engine of OoT is better than the one used in Majora's Mask because it's the same one! If I had to pick, I'd say Wind Waker's or even Twilight Princess's were the best when it came to battles.
More puzzles? No, not really. Majora's Mask has a far more open world with puzzles everywhere with the mask/bomber's notebook system. Ocarina of Time has puzzles outside of dungeons too, but not nearly as many.
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oot has MORE characters
You haven't even played any Zelda game other than OoT, have you? Even if this is a ridiculous statement (which it is), and OoT magically
did have the most characters out of any Zelda game (which I'm pretty sure it doesn't)... have you ever heard the expression, "quality, not quantity"? At least in Majora's Mask the characters, at least the ones involved with the mask sub-quests, have their only little story that unravels as time progresses. My favourite characters from OoT were the carpenters which, shockhorror, were a lot better in Majora's Mask. The organ grinder was interesting too but you'd have to be a fool to think OoT's version of him better than MM's.
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oot has BETTER weapons and items
Weapons and items in Zelda don't change all that much. I wouldn't argue any Zelda game has better weapons or items than another.
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oot also comes with masks, makes it alone better
You're saying OoT's
eight masks make it a better game? Masks that belong to a fetch quest, ie "Sell this, and I'll give you this. Sell that, and I'll give you that. etc." No.
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OOT IS THE BEST GAME EVER CReATED EVER
It's pretty good, but not the best.
^ I agree. I was thinking the same thing about the story, but I eventually thought that almost, if not all, plots/stories could be simplified like that.
Quote from: mastermoo420 on September 30, 2009, 03:04:30 AM
^ I agree. I was thinking the same thing about the story, but I eventually thought that almost, if not all, plots/stories could be simplified like that.
I haven't played MM but I second thsi as well.
It's a pretty effing awesome game but not the best. I'm not doing to be redundant because what Chewey says is pretty much the truth.
WW definitely has the most NPCs, I mean..that game has them in spades. I'd say twilight princess is a second but I haven't actually finished it. Waiting for the 4th year for the price to drop. :P
Quote from: Irock on September 29, 2009, 10:26:31 PM
Quote from: Holk on September 29, 2009, 01:32:50 AM
I have a tingle game on DS.
[youtube=425,350]G5Ol0URmtqw[/youtube]
Yeah! Its called Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland.
Quote from: Holk on September 30, 2009, 05:00:14 AM
Quote from: Irock on September 29, 2009, 10:26:31 PM
Quote from: Holk on September 29, 2009, 01:32:50 AM
I have a tingle game on DS.
[youtube=425,350]G5Ol0URmtqw[/youtube]
Yeah! Its called Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland.
Would it be worth emulating? I've been wondering if I should play it ever since I saw that video.
It's kind of hard. Your money is your life. Give it a try.
Quote from: chewey on September 30, 2009, 03:01:03 AM
Quote from: EV3 of RenGal on September 29, 2009, 10:02:38 PM
NO
YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT
im not being rude but heres the thing
oot has the best story ever possible
better than majoras mask
Not really. The story is basically just "Save Hyrule from Ganon because he's a really mean dude." I don't think it's really expanded upon much after that. Of course, this is the story of almost every Zelda game and Majora's Mask story is just, "Save Termina from the Skull Kid because he's a really mean dude." It's the intricacies between the beginning and end that make the games and I would argue Majora's Mask just has a lot more to offer there. Besides, its story (in my opinion) is a lot more engaging and dark because of everybody's reaction to the fucking MOON crashing down on them.
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another thing, majoras mask was made as a joke, not serious based.
Proof? The game looks pretty serious to me!
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oot has MORE action and MOre puzzles than majora;s mask and windwaker combined
More action? The only action a Zelda game has is killing monsters and bosses which, I assure you, every Zelda game ever has equal quantities of. You can't argue the engine of OoT is better than the one used in Majora's Mask because it's the same one! If I had to pick, I'd say Wind Waker's or even Twilight Princess's were the best when it came to battles.
More puzzles? No, not really. Majora's Mask has a far more open world with puzzles everywhere with the mask/bomber's notebook system. Ocarina of Time has puzzles outside of dungeons too, but not nearly as many.
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oot has MORE characters
You haven't even played any Zelda game other than OoT, have you? Even if this is a ridiculous statement (which it is), and OoT magically did have the most characters out of any Zelda game (which I'm pretty sure it doesn't)... have you ever heard the expression, "quality, not quantity"? At least in Majora's Mask the characters, at least the ones involved with the mask sub-quests, have their only little story that unravels as time progresses. My favourite characters from OoT were the carpenters which, shockhorror, were a lot better in Majora's Mask. The organ grinder was interesting too but you'd have to be a fool to think OoT's version of him better than MM's.
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oot has BETTER weapons and items
Weapons and items in Zelda don't change all that much. I wouldn't argue any Zelda game has better weapons or items than another.
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oot also comes with masks, makes it alone better
You're saying OoT's eight masks make it a better game? Masks that belong to a fetch quest, ie "Sell this, and I'll give you this. Sell that, and I'll give you that. etc." No.
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OOT IS THE BEST GAME EVER CReATED EVER
It's pretty good, but not the best.
okay i can see where you are coming from
that masks part i said about ocarina of time, i didnt really say it right, i ment that ocarina has masks, but everything combined, the gameplay the bosses and the horse rides complete into a really nice game.
and the thing about having majoras mask as a joke, (well not totally a joke)
they had fun with the bosses, especially with the 4 moon giants, (i found that very disturbing)
and that u can turn into whatever u want, (or at least earth fire water and wind masks)
i really have no point of argument here really
its just that oot is better for my opinion, its more, Medieval for me
Man, it's all opinions here anyway :o Majora's Mask is better in my opinion. I think it has more to offer but I could be biased!
Either way, OoT is a great game ;o
OOT is the FF7 of the Zelda franchise.
*uproarious applause*
I guess, even if it didn't come next chronologically, MM would be FF8 because it's so emo. I mean, it starts out with Link being all "nobody loves me I'm riding away from Hyrule by myself on a horse nobody understands me."
And Link to the Past would be FF6, because it's clearly the superior game, but nobody born after 1990 is aware of it.
would that make twilight princess 12? because it completely redid the way the game was played. (except 12 sucked)
Quote from: arlen on October 02, 2009, 03:04:02 AM
*uproarious applause*
I guess, even if it didn't come next chronologically, MM would be FF8 because it's so emo. I mean, it starts out with Link being all "nobody loves me I'm riding away from Hyrule by myself on a horse nobody understands me."
And Link to the Past would be FF6, because it's clearly the superior game, but nobody born after 1990 is aware of it.
Psst...
FF6 isn't the best Final Fantasy... it's not even the best 2D Final Fantasy (FF4 is)... psst...
keep this a secret ;o;
Quote from: chewey on October 01, 2009, 05:03:34 AM
Man, it's all opinions here anyway :o Majora's Mask is better in my opinion. I think it has more to offer but I could be biased!
Either way, OoT is a great game ;o
yes oot is a great game
but theres something that annoys me about majoras mask
i just cant seem to know what
i think its the fact that the main enemy was once your friend and he is some scrawny little boy, but again, i do not know what it is.
Quote from: chewey on October 02, 2009, 04:12:47 AM
Psst...
FF6 isn't the best Final Fantasy... it's not even the best 2D Final Fantasy (FF4 is)... psst...
keep this a secret ;o;
I never played FF6 but 4 is the best. 4 and 5 were the only ones I could actually get into to, 9 was neat and x-2 or whatever (the girl band one) was decent.
OoT is far superior than FF7 and it pretty much deserves most of what people say about it, whereas FF7 is just a big drawn out JRPG. And JRPGs are already big and drawn out. But I do agree, OoT is the FF7 of Zelda.
4 is my second favorite. 6 will always win for me.
IT'S TIME FOR MORE OPINIONS
FFIX is definitely my favourite 3D Final Fantasy game. FFX and FFX-2 are also pretty great. FFVIII and FFVII are good. :]
FFIV is definitely my favourite 2D Final Fantasy game. I, II and III are lame, in my opinion. VI and V are probably equally good in my opinion. :]
Are you serious?
Final Fantasy VI: 20+ Characters, all with their own individual personalities, detailed back stories, and GOALS in the game. A villain who, for ONCE in the ENTIRE Final Fantasy series, is actually villainous!
Final Fantasy V: 5 Characters, with a mix-and-match, thrown together haphazardly job system, with uninteresting backstories, all with exactly the SAME goal. A villain named X-Death, who at one point turns himself into a splinter (yes, a splinter) and gets stuck in one of the characters, only to come back later and be like "ha ha! I was never actually gone! I was that splinter in your hand! How clever I am!"
How can you POSSIBLY consider those two equals!?
I know it's your opinion, but damn man...
Also, FF4 is so depressing. People just start dropping like flies, and it's like OH COME ON he didn't even HAVE to die to propel the storyline!
Quote from: Holk on October 01, 2009, 06:17:54 PM
OOT is the FF7 of the Zelda franchise.
I do agree with this, but this doesn't mean they're both bad. They're overhyped and praised far more than they should be, but they're both still good games, imo.
They're also the first mainstream 3d games of their respective franchises.
That could possibly be linked to sentence #2 before the first comma. :P
Quote from: arlen on October 02, 2009, 04:19:36 PM
Are you serious?
Final Fantasy VI: 20+ Characters, all with their own individual personalities, detailed back stories, and GOALS in the game. A villain who, for ONCE in the ENTIRE Final Fantasy series, is actually villainous!
Final Fantasy V: 5 Characters, with a mix-and-match, thrown together haphazardly job system, with uninteresting backstories, all with exactly the SAME goal. A villain named X-Death, who at one point turns himself into a splinter (yes, a splinter) and gets stuck in one of the characters, only to come back later and be like "ha ha! I was never actually gone! I was that splinter in your hand! How clever I am!"
How can you POSSIBLY consider those two equals!?
I consider them equal because I actually found the characters of FFVI really dull :x. I really like FFV's job system too.
And yeah, FFIV always makes me feel miserable but that's why it's so good !
My first zelda game was ALTTP. When I got OOT the first thing I thought was "Wow... this game looks like crap."
Graphics got worse before they got better.
System - Graphics
Nes - Ok
Snes - Better
N64 - Worse ~_~
Gamecube - better.
All the models in OOT looked like they had been beaten to death, then beaten back to life.
Quote from: Boe on October 03, 2009, 06:25:33 PM
All the models in OOT looked like they had been beaten to death, then beaten back to life.
Thoseare the redeads. ;_;
Also, it was the first of them using 3D to make a game. :P Plus, N64 doesn't have the graphics capabilities of the newer systems. >_>
I have always enjoyed The Legend of Zelda series. The only problem it has is its' crazy timeline.
Quote from: mastermoo420 on September 29, 2009, 01:31:04 AM
I remember watching a youtube video on the timeline of Link and his games. It was pretty fascinating. :o And then I remember watching a video by the same guy who got sent an e-mail from the Zelda pplz that it actually wasn't meant to have a timeline :P
As in anything of a timeline of sorts, besides direct sequels, were coincidental. At least, that was at the time of the video.
http://www.gannon-banned.com/#timeline
Quote from: GANNON-BANNED14. Claiming there is no timeline of any kind.
Head on over to Miyamoto Shrine, you will find a link on the left for "Interviews". Click it, and then click the 2003 Super Play interview. In that interview, Shigeru Miyamoto says that there is a large document that relates the games to each other. In addition, in a recent GameSpy interview, the new head of Zelda, Eiji Aonuma, said he cares very much for story and is going to make more sense of Zelda's story in the future. And oh yeah, at Camp Hyrule 2004, Bill Trinen, the NOA Localization guy, commented that there is indeed a Zelda Timeline, that there has been one for as long as he has known, but it was due to some previous localization "issue" that it became so skewed. However, he said Eiji Aonuma and all the Zelda teams in Japan and the US are working to make the timeline clear to fans, and are actively working to tie it all together with each new game. Regardless of how messed up the timeline may be, why the hell do they keep referring to other games in each new title? We may never know what the timeline is, we may never know if it was always the same or not. Point is, the games obviously connect, and anyone who says otherwise is a fricking moron. Oh yeah, and in 2006, Eiji Aonuma confirmed there was a split timeline. More evidence there is one afterall. Still not buying it? At E3 2007, IGN conducted an interview with Eiji Aonuma, in which he revealed that there is a document on a few computers at NCL which are marked "top secret" which contain the basic "timeline" of the entire Zelda series, known or unknown to the public.
Yeah. The redead always scared me in OoT because they looked like they were face raping Link.