Global warming is happening, but I don't think we are to blame, but that aside as the governments do think Global warming is happening and we are to blame.
Please don't turn this into a debate on if Global warming is real or not... This is more a topic on if it is real how do we slow it ?
Here's my idea.
Step 1.
Major Car manufactures have designed and tested a Car that can run on Sea Water... I think the government should run an initiative to let petrol car drivers trade their cars in against one of these cars... I mean they run on Sea Water... And the Sea Water is rising, so it kind of makes sense... The only emissions from the cars is Water vapour... All he money the Government squanders could be used to back the development and get the resources needed at a lower price, these cars with the governments help could become a reality much quicker.
Cars that run on Sea Water:-
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Step 2.
Use the same technology from the Cars to power our ocean cruisers, but on a larger scale...
Step 3.
Start the trade in of Diesel cars for Sea Water powered ones.
Using Water to generate most of our travel by land and sea would reduce gases Marjory !!!
A better idea would be to power everything with magic. Wait, a car that is powered by seawater is magic!
By the way, the sea level is rising because of melting icecaps in the Arctic and Antarctic. Since Antarctica's and Greenland's ice is freshwater, the seawater's magic content is becoming diluted.
QuoteA better idea would be to power everything with magic. Wait, a car that is powered by seawater is magic!
Did you even watch the video in the first post ?... It's not magic, it's real... And the only reason it has not been done as too many people would be out of jobs.
QuoteSince Antarctica's and Greenland's ice is freshwater, the seawater's magic content is becoming diluted.
It wouldn't take much to refine the water ready for use as fuel, add salt, remove salt what ever... Less refining than oil.
I'd say the best way to make it stop happening is by ignoring the people who are saying that it's happening and continue doing what we currently are doing.
Either that or kill all of the Jews. As they seem to be the ones driving on this conspiracy, with no evidence, at all.
I find your statement "Global warming is happening" to be really pathetic. Saying it's real over and over will not make it so. Just because a theory has a lot of hype and fat, white failed-presidents supporting it does not mean it's excluded from the normal, scientific process that all theories are put through.
What absolute horse shit. That car runs on pure corporate hype.
QuoteGlobal warming is happening
The Globe is getting warmer... and If you noticed I said "but I don't think we are to blame"... One Volcano produces more gasses than the whole Human race.
The American's and us Britt's are driving Global warming and that stems from Maggy Thatcher and her making this shite up... Most of the Media is run by Jews and yes they need to get their facts right... The Sea level is rising, there is an issue, but it's some thing that happens naturally, this happened in the Bronze age, and we have had a mini Ice age in the 1400's... I know Global warming is not caused by us, What I am trying to say is the Government are saying it's happening, and if they used half a brain cell they could combat it rather than sturring the media into a frenzy and reporting is down to us, rather than spending the money proving we are causing it, I think the money should be spent, reducing our 2% of gas contribution to 1% or below.
QuoteWhat absolute horse shit. That car runs on pure corporate hype.
Much like your mouth.
That car is made by general Motors a large car company, there is also an engine in Japan no bigger than a suitecase that you can run on electricity, and solar cells, the car it was used in features in GT4 a concept car that can reach 70 miles per hour...
We have alternative's available but we are not using them...
We are being lead to think Oil is the only Fuel source and it's running out, my Irish uncle used to make his own fuel in his garage called green diesel, but he got in trouble for using it... Not enough tax payments I suppose...
The only Horse Shite is the stuff we are being fed from our T.V's...
Global warming is a new play word, it's true that the gasses are colecting, but it may just be the side effects from t he last ice age for all we know.
Quote from: Deliciously_Saucy on July 31, 2007, 12:09:39 PM
I find your statement "Global warming is happening" to be really pathetic. Saying it's real over and over will not make it so. Just because a theory has a lot of hype and fat, white failed-presidents supporting it does not mean it's excluded from the normal, scientific process that all theories are put through.
And when did that ever stop people beliving stuff?
QuoteI know Global warming is not caused by us, What I am trying to say is the Government are saying it's happening, and if they used half a brain cell they could combat it rather than sturring the media into a frenzy and reporting is down to us, rather than spending the money proving we are causing it, I think the money should be spent, reducing our 2% of gas contribution to 1% or below.
IF global warming is happening and is a natural occurring phenomena not brought on by man (which could very well be true with the cycle of ice ages) then what would us changing our pathetic contribution to the problem do?
If it is a natural event, at the current stage of our technological evolution I truly doubt man can do anything to prevent it, because IF it is going to happen, it is not on mans accord but natures.
QuoteAnd when did that ever stop people believing stuff?
Any way I didn't want a debate on what's happening, most people on here know Global Warming is a natural occurrence, not caused by use, the climate is changing, it's always changing, like the seasons do.
QuoteIF global warming is happening and is a natural occurring phenomena not brought on by man (which could very well be true with the cycle of ice ages) then what would us changing our pathetic contribution to the problem do?
If it is a natural event, at the current stage of our technological evolution I truly doubt man can do anything to prevent it, because IF it is going to happen, it is not on mans accord but natures.
The Topic and Debate I have made clear from the off is how to slow our contribution, if we are to act, how do we act ?
At the moment the government is spending money to back it's own theory, I think if they wanted to resolve this issue they have made they could... But I think they want us to think the world is going to shite to help back other causes... But that's not the topic.
I was hoping to see some people pick up on some thing similar to my idea that could help reduce resource consumption and pollution... I am seeing if people over average intellect like us, normal every day folk can come up with idea's that for some reason national and global intelligence can't... But so far I have lucked out.
Quote from: landofshadows on July 31, 2007, 12:57:09 PM
I was hoping to see some people pick up on some thing similar to my idea that could help reduce resource consumption and pollution... I am seeing if people over average intellect like us, normal every day folk can come up with idea's that for some reason national and global intelligence can't... But so far I have lucked out.
There are loads of things that could stop it, the more effective ones being almost impossible due to the lash back the public would have on the government, time allotments on cars, shutting down some factory's , other things that would take years, like building up a good recycling system, but of course most country's are content on just using money and time on a bigger army.
Please, read my post a little more slowly; this is an event that would occur even if man never existed (if it is happening), the damage man is doing is literally close to nothing compared to natural events that are contributing, so how is changing our inconceivable effect on this phenomena (like changing the fuel in our cars) going to slow it down in any worthwhile way?
Even if every human-being on this planet suddenly dropped their guns and went 100% green, making mans contribution to global warming nil, it would make close to no difference as we ourselves are not adding a significant amount to this apparent natural event if you believe man is not the cause.
QuotePlease, read my post a little more slowly; this is an event that would occur even if man never existed (if it is happening), the damage man is doing is literally close to nothing compared to natural events that are contributing, so how is changing our inconceivable effect on this phenomena (like changing the fuel in our cars) going to slow it down in any worthwhile way?
Even if every human-being on this planet suddenly dropped their guns and went 100% green, making mans contribution to global warming nil, it would make close to no difference as we ourselves are not adding a significant amount to this apparent natural event if you believe man is not the cause.
Correct even if we cut or gases to 0% from 2% it's no major big deal... That's kind of the whole point.
Right what the Media is doing is creating fear that Oil is our only fuel source and the East has it and we in the West don't... They are saying we need to slow our consumption and the global warming is mainly down to China, and China wont change it's ways... EVERY thing the media is doing right now is Anti EAST... Every thing the governments are doing is pro WEST and Unifying and training peoples minds to one way of thinking, much like Hitler did to his own people... But that's not the debate or topic...
I am trying to show if we wanted to cut or pollution we could with very little effort...
Another Idea.
All slate/shingle production for roof tiles stops and we Have to buy Solar cells as law... Same with housing developers, Small solar celled tiled roofs, to generate enough electricity to heat our water and power half our appliance usage.
The Houses still look nice !!!
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I side with Saucy; has anyone stopped to think that it's not just us, there are other factors that we can't control no matter how hard we try? Case in point: there is evidence that the sun is growing hotter in its old age. Result: increased temperatures. True, our oil industries and other things are also helping warm the Earth, but even if we somehow stop the output of crap into our atmosphere, the sun's gonna keep getting hotter; albeit incredibly slowly but surely. And it's not like the Earth hasn't changed in recent years; stuff doesn't stand still when we're not paying attention. But for some reason people keep assuming that the Earth is the same way it was way back when, and that every change or anomaly is because of us.
I say we go Japanese and ride bikes everywhere we go. We'd all be buff, the obesity problem would diminish, and we'd be lessening output of pollutants. But then again so many places are so far apart that biking would take days to get anywhere... :(
Or here's a simpler method: time-travel to the future, steal their technology, and come out with Star Wars-type vehicles that seem to be able to go forever. Problem solved. ;D :blizj:
Problem with the solar-cell mandate: Some people may not be able to afford the changeover (guilty), unless the government decides to increase the value of money briefly so people can afford all the solar panels and the conversion from major electric lines to self-power. But, on the plus side, the houses would be shiny! ;D
QuotePlease don't turn this into a debate on if Global warming is real or not... This is more a topic on if it is real how do we slow it ?
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I am trying to show if there was an issue the Government could solve it !!!... And all your doing is arguing that we are not the cause... I have already said a Fricken Volcano is worst than the whole of the Human Race...
There is no side to side with I agree with Saucy too...
Imagination people, come on...??
I am going tio lock this if another tit goes on about it's not happening... Read my first blinking post.
I'm sorry, but as I have already said; we can not stop it. If changing what man is doing will not make a difference, then the only other option would be opposing the natural contributions itself. We are not technologically evolved to a point that we can effectively control nature.
IF it is happening, I see nothing at the present time that can stop it. As Jesus Hitler said; MAGIX MAYBE?
This isn't even a debate. It's like one guy trying to defend himself against a couple of bratty little kids doing all they can to make him lose his temper.
Cheers
arlen This always seems to happen... I try to start a good topic and people just don't read the first post...
All I am doing is showing if the Government was serious about making changes to stop the human part of Global warming they could...
Here's another idea:-
Energy saving Bulbs in street lamps...
Any one else got some simple changes that would make a world of difference...LOL
QuoteI'm sorry, but as I have already said; we can not stop it. If changing what man is doing will not make a difference, then the only other option would be opposing the natural contributions itself. We are not technologically evolved to a point that we can effectively control nature.
Heard of Cloud seeding ?
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The Government could fund this... but they haven't...
We humans cannot stop it, only slow it by decreasing our energy usage.
One way I think we can do it is to produce the famous infinite power source with just hydrogen,
The Anti-Matter.
One piece of anti matter can fuel a person's whole life for 30 years, and it only costs hydrogen, no negative gas emmisions whatsoever. They're making it right as we speak. Nuclear is way weaker than Anti-Matter.
Also, a natural fuel source called Gas Hydrate (Discovery channel is so informative) exists helluva lot more than all gasses on earth put altogether. It's the reserve fuel that fortunately produce bad gasses, although less. It is alos known as frozen methane, that bubbles out from the bottom of the sea.
This doesn't solve it, but can help us in the future.
Leventhan - Watch the video in my First post, its a car that runs on sea water, it can generate enough electricity to power a whole street !!!
What is "a piece" of anti-matter?
How can it "fuel" a person?
How can anti-matter be infinite when matter is not?
Gas Hydrate is not frozen methane, but ice crystals with gases trapped inside of molecular"cages".
Methane is the gas that people are talking about when they talk about taxes on cow farts. Wikipedia has this to say:
Quote from: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane#Methane_in_Earth.27s_atmosphere]Wikipedia[/url]Methane in the Earth's atmosphere is an important greenhouse gas with a global warming potential of 25 over a 100 year period. This means that a 1 tonne methane emission will have 25 times the impact on temperature of a 1 tonne carbon dioxide emission during the following 100 years. Methane has a large effect for a brief period (about 10 years), whereas carbon dioxide has a small effect for a long period (over 100 years). Because of this difference in effect and time period, the global warming potential of methane over a 20 year time period is 72. The methane concentration has increased by about 150% since 1750 and it accounts for 20% of the total radiative forcing from all of the long-lived and globally mixed greenhouse gases.
stop global warming?
don't fart on the great outdoors. that helps.
j/k
Hydrogen should be coming soon to help us out with the polution problem.
Thing is, if they make cars run on hydrogen, what happens when they have an acident? That must be a big hole i presume.
Hydrogen may not poulte, but it's way too dangerous to handle if the situation gets nasty.
Gasoline is flammable, too. ::)
Hold on a second.
Quote from: landofshadows on July 31, 2007, 09:14:07 AM
Global warming is happening, but I don't think we are to blame, but that aside as the governments do think Global warming is happening.
If you had given this any thought then you know that if global warming was natural then it would be inexorable and any attempt to stop or slow it would be futile.
Hummm... I have said this more of a topic to show if the government want to do some thing they have multiple routes to try... The Government is only interested in solutions that make them money !!!
QuoteI was hoping to see some people pick up on some thing similar to my idea that could help reduce resource consumption and pollution... I am seeing if people over average intellect like us, normal every day folk can come up with idea's that for some reason national and global intelligence can't... But so far I have lucked out.
Quote from: Jesus Hitler on August 01, 2007, 10:39:39 AM
Hold on a second.
Quote from: landofshadows on July 31, 2007, 09:14:07 AM
Global warming is happening, but I don't think we are to blame, but that aside as the governments do think Global warming is happening.
If you had given this any thought then you know that if global warming was natural then it would be inexorable and any attempt to stop or slow it would be futile.
Thank you, the fucking point I've been making in the last few posts.
Edit: LOS, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND IMPLYING DOES NOT MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE. THINK ABOUT THIS, FUCKING PLEASE.
Here... for the last time (I hope)
1. You agree Global warming isn't happening due to us, but the ice caps are melting, so climate change is happening.
2. The Government are trying (Or supposedly trying) to slow it, by tackling the human contribution, they go on about our carbon foot prints... But what have they done ? (Nothing)
3. I am trying to show without much effort the government could slow the human impact (The factious one they have created) if they so wished.
Understand now ? (Sorry, for being not very understandable, if I was)
QuoteGlobal warming is happening, but I don't think we are to blame, but that aside as the governments do think Global warming is happening and we are to blame.
Here I extend the above does that help...?
Here is another Idea:-
The Government could send a pack of 8 energy saving bulbs to every family on the electoral roll. Replacing almost every house's lights with more energy efficient ones.
If Global warming meant so much to the powers that be then they could make some very quick changes... But their not...!!!
THE CHANGES- THEY'D DO NOTHING~!
YEAH, THEY COULD WASTE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS CHANGING THE EFFECT THAT MAN IS HAVING ON GLOBAL WARMING, BUT THEY ARE NOT.
IF THEY CHOSE TO DO EVERYTHING IN THERE POWER TO REDUCE MANS ADDITION TO GLOBAL WARMING, (BUT BECAUSE MAN IS NOT THE CAUSE), CHANGING WHAT WE ADD WOULD DO CLOSE TO FUCK ALL IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.
WHY THE FUCK, WOULD THEY DO THIS? WHY WOULD THEY SPEND BILLIONS, IF NOT TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IF IT WILL PRETTY MUCH DO FUCK ALL?
SO WHAT, YOU DON'T THINK WE ARE TO BLAME, BUT YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT DOES THINK WE ARE TO BLAME, BUT ARE STILL NOT DOING SHIT DESPITE THINKING THIS? WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CARE? SHOULDN'T YOU BE PUTTING YOUR "VALUABLE TIME" IN INFORMING THE GOVERNMENT THAT HUMANS ARE NOT TO BLAME, AS YOU FUCKING THINK, RATHER THEN BITCHING THAT 'THEY AIN'T DOIN' ANYTHING ABOUT IT EVEN THOUGHT THEY THINK THEY COULD?
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?
The human impact on global warming, as you believe, is minimal, I think you said what, that we are adding something like 2% to the problem?
If you changed that 2%, IF you changed it, IT WOULD MAKE CLOSE TO NO DIFFERENCE. IT WOULD BE POINTLESS.
It would be like throwing a pebble into a lake. So why the fuck would they put that much effort, into a fucking pebble?
**I step away from the thread, to get back from the idiotism.
So why are the Government trying to push Global Warming as being some thing we are causing ?...
You see It is stupid... The Government is stupid... That's one of the points of this thread, but not the whole point.
It's great that even if Global warming was down to us we would have so many options to choose from, to help slow it.
The Theory I haveRight now Billion's are being spent arming pretty much every Arab state apart from Iran, that money would have been better spent, if they think Global warming will be the end of Man one day, than trying to defend a few Arab states from a Nuke threat from their own neighbouring state, that we have no proof has Nukes...LOL
(You say what's the point in spending money on some thing we don't have proof on, your government already is)
15 Billion could have funded about 3 or four of the projects I have mentioned... But they would rather spend the 15 Billion arming Arabs for the next ten years...
The Media Reports on Global Warming alone cost a couple of Billion a year, and that's not to mention all the money the Government give to scientists to prove Global Warming is down to man.
The point of this topic was to show how easy it would be for the Government to make changes.
QuoteSHOULDN'T YOU BE PUTTING YOUR "VALUABLE TIME" IN INFORMING THE GOVERNMENT THAT HUMANS ARE NOT TO BLAME
The Government has us as it wants us, in fear... Global Warming is one of the top ten listed things to end man kind, and the media and Jews (As you mentioned before) are the ones keeping this threat very much alive and in the forefront of our minds.
It was like the floods here in England, the News Reporter was ranting on about what we could have done to help stop global change, rather than who removed the flood defences...?
The only Fuel source the Government are interested in is Oil as it keeps many people in Jobs and it keeps the rich, rich and the poor, poor.... They can't shift to a resource so abundant as Hydrogen, there would be no or very little money in it.
So they create Global Warming tell us all to cut back on our consumption, not for a better tomorrow, but for a richer today for them !!!
Any way back to topic... idiotic idea's of slowing Global Warming that isn't happening...LOLHumm I have run a little low right now...
How About more wind farms...
Quote from: landofshadows on August 01, 2007, 01:34:16 PM
So why are the Government trying to push Global Warming as being some thing we are causing ?...
You see It is stupid... The Government is stupid... That's one of the points of this thread, but not the whole point.
It's great that even if Global warming was down to us we would have so many options to choose from, to help slow it.
...WHAT?!
Quote from: landofshadows on August 01, 2007, 01:34:16 PM
The Theory I have
Right now Billion's are being spent arming pretty much every Arab state apart from Iran, that money would have been better spent, if they think Global warming will be the end of Man one day, than trying to defend a few Arab states from a Nuke threat from their own neighbouring state, that we have no proof has Nukes...LOL
Its not about nukes, friend. Saddam, for better or worse, is gone. Now, you have all of these rival warlords, big players varying from region to region, trying to fill that power vacuum, either for themselves, or, for "the people" as they define that term. Lurk decent news moar. Not only do I read anti-war articles, I also watch the military channel. Bush hating is popular now, so you have to take both extremes to get a decent opinion set up. If you could see the people over there, and how much good we really have done, you would feel differently.
Quote from: landofshadows on August 01, 2007, 01:34:16 PM
(You say what's the point in spending money on some thing we don't have proof on, your government already is)
15 Billion could have funded about 3 or four of the projects I have mentioned... But they would rather spend the 15 Billion arming Arabs for the next ten years...
The Media Reports on Global Warming alone cost a couple of Billion a year, and that's not to mention all the money the Government give to scientists to prove Global Warming is down to man.
The point of this topic was to show how easy it would be for the Government to make changes.
The Government has us as it wants us, in fear... Global Warming is one of the top ten listed things to end man kind, and the media and Jews (As you mentioned before) are the ones keeping this threat very much alive and in the forefront of our minds.
And now you have the nerve to throw anti-semitic SLANDER around?
Quote from: landofshadows on August 01, 2007, 01:34:16 PM
It was like the floods here in England, the News Reporter was ranting on about what we could have done to help stop global change, rather than who removed the flood defences...?
The only Fuel source the Government are interested in is Oil as it keeps many people in Jobs and it keeps the rich, rich and the poor, poor.... They can't shift to a resource so abundant as Hydrogen, there would be no or very little money in it.
So they create Global Warming tell us all to cut back on our consumption, not for a better tomorrow, but for a richer today for them !!!
I'm sorry, but this post earned you a lock. Not even you know what you are talking about now. Sorry LOS.
(Topic unlocked. ;8)
Thanks... Arrow.
Let me start over... Here I will lay every thing out for you as I see it:-
Why I think Global warming isn't happening:-
The Government has stated Global Warming is down to Man... They have used members of the ICCP and other means to prove this... They go on about our Carbon Foot prints and even used John Travolter to go on air and say about cutting back our Carbon foot prints, yet he has two jets in his own back yard... That's a big Contradiction.
The Government claims we are to blame but, sea water specialists state for the temperature of the sea to change takes 100's of years, and the government are saying it's the way we have lived from the start of the 1900's... There is no way the sea's temperature has risen that much according to marine specialists.
One Volcano produces more carbon emissions in one year than every car on earth running it's engine for a none stop for 6 months (Or some thing like that)... Ex-members of the ICCP have calculated we use contribute 2% of the carbon emissions, they also state if Global warming was due to these gases the temperature change would occur in the upper atmostpher the zopiastrope (Or some thing similar sounding), but its no warmer, infact it's dropped in the last ten years.
Why I think the Government would like to make us think it is:-
1. Resources that we burn to create these gases are becoming low.
2. Reducing the gases keeps the public focused on some thing they can feel part of (Distraction)
3. It keeps many people in jobs, we have reporters who's jobs are all based on Climate.
4. Keeping the amount of resources we are using to a low, gives the Government more time to source more.
Why I am coming up with idea's to slow climate change:-
To show how easy it will be to make a difference if the Government needed to. (As they say they do)
Let me try again:
If you believe global warming is a natural event why are you asking us to come up with ideas on how to fix it? All the magic cars in the world won't help if this process is natural.
This thread is made of so much lol, it's hilarious.
I think the lot of you who propose alternative fuels (such as sea water, methane, ethanol, or hydrogen) fail to understand the resource costs of them and their actual efficiency. See, oil is not just not a fuel source. It's a source for tens of thousands of thousands of products we use everyday: Nearly everything you own, even the computer you're sitting on when you respond to this conversation, is a product of oil, whether directly or indirectly. The gathering methods and the refining methods and it being manufactured into other products is not good for environment.
Hydrogen is a common element, but not as much as you'd think on earth. To gather it, it requires a lot of resources. To produce enough hydrogen that matches a single gallon of petrol fuel used in an engine, you need to put three times that amount of oil into it getting it. Not exactly efficient, is it? They're calling for another 40 years before it's actually feasible. I wonder how much oil goes into producing a car that runs on salt-water, because I bet it's not as feasible either.
Secondly, if you believe that we have a minimal impact on global warming, then we should do what we have to reduce our part. We have a responsibility to keep our environment clean. Now that the humans who practice mass production and totalitarian agriculture exist on a global scale, our environment is the world. If our impact is 0%, then we are to blame for nothing. Even if we do only 2%, we're still doing too much.
Whether or not global warming is real or created by governments based on a ass-backwards, half-witted assertion of interpretations of fallacious facts and skewed news blips, while ignoring more real and more concrete scientific statements, is irrelevant. The matter shouldn't be about a boogey man, however real he may be. We still have an irrevocable effect on the environment. This is a fact that has been proven by the looking at the aftermath of the industrial revolution. There are few places in Europe and Americas where you can drink water from a stream and not get sick. There are lakes that were once teaming with fish, but our dumping waste into the water has killed a lot of them off. The coral reefs are dying because our disposal. Hell, didn't one of the Great Lakes go up in flames because of how polluted it was?
Consider the improper disposal of batteries, computers, cell phones, and other high-tech gadgets. A massive amount of computer equipment (once abandoned is called e-waste) is sold to China a year for disposal, and there they use extraction methods to remove the gold from the board, acids and other chemicals which do nothing for the environment. Or the some rare-earth metal oxidizes and poisons water sources and fields. Batteries do just the same job.
When our action have an impact on the health of creatures around us, including other humans, we're doing something wrong. The smog cover in Los Angeles is a prime example. Or acid rain. Or forcing life to form new ways to adapt to our destructive behavior. When our presence hurts other people or animals or plants, we have fucked up. Not to say that nothing positive comes out of it, and that nature doesn't find ways to survive. In 1975, a bacteria was found to have generated an enzyme a priori to digest nylon (which is also a product of oil, btw). Other places in the world could only be so lucky to have such natural innovations.
We also have the problem with the economic ramifications of oil in the world. It is the crux, to be exact. So many products which we take for granted (medication, clothing, refrigeration, &c.) that when extracting and producing oil becomes too expensive to be feasible, every first world nation will come to a screeching halt.
So stop dodging the issue by hiding behind bullshit statements like, "humans have no impact on global warming," or "we only contribute 2% to a natural phenomenon." Enjoying 1st world benefits, such as the internet, such as cell phones, such as easily priced and available clothing, such as cold food is a contribution to some ecological problem on some level. Sitting around and rhetorically chasing frogs through a swamp may make you look like you know something, but you're not really doing ANYONE and ANYTHING any good anywhere.
VOR... Welcome... Your Post is lengthy and hard to break down and comment on, but I will try.
QuoteI think the lot of you who propose alternative fuels (such as sea water, methane, ethanol, or hydrogen) fail to understand the resource costs of them and their actual efficiency. See, oil is not just not a fuel source. It's a source for tens of thousands of thousands of products we use everyday: Nearly everything you own, even the computer you're sitting on when you respond to this conversation, is a product of oil, whether directly or indirectly. The gathering methods and the refining methods and it being manufactured into other products is not good for environment.
True, but if we used Sea Water to power refining stations and manufacturing plants of these goods that's a large cut back in the resources used in the process of production. May be if we was to use Sea Water for powering all large complexes that are high on burning Oil and use Sea water for powering homes, Much like we use Nuclear energy stations.
The Ships we use to gain and pump the Water could also be powered by Sea Water, I know they will be made from oil just like the cars and most other plastic goods, or we could use scrap metal cars and use Sea Water driven factories to do the melting of them.
It's less oil than we use now.
Now We use Oil to gain oil, I am suggesting we use Sea Water to gain Oil, and use Oil to help develop new Sea Water driven devices, I had a digital watch that ran on water when I was a kid...
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And see the Video on my first Post, it tells you that the powerstaion built into the cars frame could power half a street on a tank of Water and the out put of using water will be water !!!
QuoteHydrogen is a common element, but not as much as you'd think on earth. To gather it, it requires a lot of resources. To produce enough hydrogen that matches a single gallon of petrol fuel used in an engine, you need to put three times that amount of oil into it getting it. Not exactly efficient, is it? They're calling for another 40 years before it's actually feasible. I wonder how much oil goes into producing a car that runs on salt-water, because I bet it's not as feasible either.
It's more like ten years until they can mass produce the car at an affordable price for the end user, at the moment it costs around 5 million pounds, but then match that to cost of space exploration that we spend each year, we could at least think about making buses that run on sea water or cruise ships... Even planes... Large scale vehicles that carry many people large distances... If we moved all funding from Arms, Space & Climate change programs we could afford 1000's of these cars, or at least buy in all the materials needed in Bulk to manufacture them, or build a manufacturing plant that runs off sea water to build the cars...
QuoteSecondly, if you believe that we have a minimal impact on global warming, then we should do what we have to reduce our part. We have a responsibility to keep our environment clean. Now that the humans who practice mass production and totalitarian agriculture exist on a global scale, our environment is the world. If our impact is 0%, then we are to blame for nothing. Even if we do only 2%, we're still doing too much.
We are made of Carbon, just us breathing Ad's Carbon to the air... We are never going to emit 0%... 0.5% or around may be, but never a zero... But I agree in part, I mean if we want a CLEANER Future I do think we should be less wasteful !!
QuoteWhether or not global warming is real or created by governments based on a ass-backwards, half-witted assertion of interpretations of fallacious facts and skewed news blips, while ignoring more real and more concrete scientific statements, is irrelevant. The matter shouldn't be about a boogey man, however real he may be. We still have an irrevocable effect on the environment.
I suppose that's aimed at me and in some people's opinions my half baked idea's of a mass conspiracy... May be I deserve may be I don't, I guess only time will tell... I am not Ignoring Scientific statements, show me one and I will show you an equally good counter claim, or at least try. I am fairly confident in the info I have found showing Global warming is a natural event.
QuoteThis is a fact that has been proven by the looking at the aftermath of the industrial revolution. There are few places in Europe and Americas where you can drink water from a stream and not get sick. There are lakes that were once teaming with fish, but our dumping waste into the water has killed a lot of them off. The coral reefs are dying because our disposal. Hell, didn't one of the Great Lakes go up in flames because of how polluted it was?
I don't know enough on the above to comment... I do know some of the best examples of coral life are on old ship wrecks... May be once we decomission our Petrol driven ships we should strip them of any thing of value and sink them... (Again, it's no doubt a Shite suggestion as I know very little on burning lakes and dieing coral)
QuoteConsider the improper disposal of batteries, computers, cell phones, and other high-tech gadgets. A massive amount of computer equipment (once abandoned is called e-waste) is sold to China a year for disposal, and there they use extraction methods to remove the gold from the board, acids and other chemicals which do nothing for the environment. Or the some rare-earth metal oxidizes and poisons water sources and fields. Batteries do just the same job.
We have a program at our work place, we send disused computer and E-Waste to third world countries to be reused in class rooms, or given to the local people in places that are poverty stricken. Most of our Garbage we recycle in England winds up in China, and is fished through by people paid peanuts, I did watch a documentary on it... That just goes to show how another governments initiative to cut global warming isn't working....
I did however see another documentary about a man who made his own Island off the coast of Mexico using plastic bottles and other common waste...
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QuoteWhen our action have an impact on the health of creatures around us, including other humans, we're doing something wrong. The smog cover in Los Angeles is a prime example. Or acid rain. Or forcing life to form new ways to adapt to our destructive behavior. When our presence hurts other people or animals or plants, we have fucked up. Not to say that nothing positive comes out of it, and that nature doesn't find ways to survive. In 1975, a bacteria was found to have generated an enzyme a priori to digest nylon (which is also a product of oil, btw). Other places in the world could only be so lucky to have such natural innovations.
Life finds a way Chaos Theory... I agree with you on that, but at the end of the day it's the Human race I am more concerned about.
QuoteWe also have the problem with the economic ramifications of oil in the world. It is the crux, to be exact. So many products which we take for granted (medication, clothing, refrigeration, &c.) that when extracting and producing oil becomes too expensive to be feasible, every first world nation will come to a screeching halt.
So it makes sense to be researching different fuels for the future, if that energy comes from the Sea, Wind or Sun... More Abundant sources than Oil... And it also makes sense before oil become too expensive that we use what we do have to make these new fuel harbouring machines.
QuoteSo stop dodging the issue by hiding behind bullshit statements like, "humans have no impact on global warming," or "we only contribute 2% to a natural phenomenon." Enjoying 1st world benefits, such as the internet, such as cell phones, such as easily priced and available clothing, such as cold food is a contribution to some ecological problem on some level. Sitting around and rhetorically chasing frogs through a swamp may make you look like you know something, but you're not really doing ANYONE and ANYTHING any good anywhere.
Nice metaphors and so fourth, loved the frog bit... I used to catch frogs as a kid I am very good at it !! LOL
And the Bullshit you state I am hiding behind... Watch this video posted by Silver:- http://rmrk.net/index.php?topic=18351.0
Here's parts of it:-
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______VOR +REP though, you do know you stuff, its a breath of fresh air debating with you______
LoS, you still haven't told me why you think any of this matters if you don't think humans are responsible for global warming.
Quoteits a breath of fresh air debating with you
Probably because he's not as tired of and used to your shit like me, gonorrhoea, and DS are.
get a buncha Air conditoners
J/king but relly the only way to fix the ozone is Self repair And that can only happen if The
damage stops Or we find a way to imitate the ozones Gases and Spray them up their
I relly dont know
Landofshadows, I'll have to watch the media in a bit. But there is something very basic I want to bring to your attention, because I apparently did not make myself abundantly clear: Oil is not used just for fuel to power factories that manufacture products, it is also a building material for very essential products, products which are fundamental to any alternative fuel base. Getting enough hydrogen equal to a gallon of gas requires you putting three gallons of gas in. A lot of this is in plastics itself, which if you didn't know, is a product of oil.
While you tout sea water--which, having not yet seen the videos--it seems like a safe bet for an alternative fuel source, but it possible still requires a lot of oil that exist in other forms than just a fuel to operate. The reason nearly any of these alternative fuels haven't gotten off the ground is because they are less efficient than petrol-based gasoline when the consideration of other oil-based products that are used are brought into the light.
It's true. Half the reason we can't move away from oil is because we put so much faith into it in the first place, knowing full well that it was a non-renewable resource. :-\ So far I'd say VOR is the smartest guy in this topic.
ArrowQuoteIt's true. Half the reason we can't move away from oil is because we put so much faith into it in the first place, knowing full well that it was a non-renewable resource. So far I'd say VOR is the smartest guy in this topic.
The other Half of the reason is that's what the powers that be want you to think, that Oil is our only means, it's just most Oil rich countries the USA and others are in debt to, Oil is big money, and most arab states have most of it (But that a-side)... Shell and BP have both been pouring money into new fuel techniques, both have got an array of alternative fuel idea's, don't worry when oil runs out there will be many other fuels... They can make cars run on another kind of petrol distilled from sun flower oil, or rape seed oil... There are many alternatives... The only reason I am backing Sea Water is has no nasty out put waste...
In Japan they have developed a machine that can turn plastic back into oil:- http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/07/making_oil_out.php
It works on a small scale, but they want funding to make a larger version, but even if they kept it small scale, they could add some thing like that to each house hold, and you use it like your own recycling machine, rather then the bin men collecting your plastic they carry away the oil to be refined and reused.
VORQuotewhich, having not yet seen the videos
I read all your info, at least watch the video I have posted below as it's the main body of my post.
Watch the one in the FIRST post... this one:-
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Quotemyself abundantly clear
You did, did I or did I not give a reply to EVERY statement you made ?
QuoteGetting enough hydrogen equal to a gallon of gas requires you putting three gallons of gas in.
I am talking about Sea Water, put a empty Gallon Barrel in the sea, what do you get..? a full barrel of sea water (The Barrel doesn't have to be made from oil, or if it is, I am saying make manufacturing stations, or even oil pumping stations that run on an alternative fuel like sea water, so we are not Burning Oil to pump oil)... Please explain, why do we need to add Gas to sea water ?...
JHQuoteLoS, you still haven't told me why you think any of this matters if you don't think humans are responsible for global warming.
The Government does think man are responsible for global warming... (So despite what I think) I am going to show it's a fairly easy thing to slow or change, the human contribution, if we had the funds the Government does... I have said this plenty of times JH... Hence why I am getting bored now saying it... And you have added nothing to this debate so far.
[spoiler]Off Topic - VOR was on a REP of 6 last night, he has said nothing wrong to be reduced... I was on 70 last night, now 67....?[/spoiler]
Quote from: landofshadows on August 02, 2007, 07:11:30 AMThe Government does think man are responsible for global warming... (So despite what I think) I am going to show it's a fairly easy thing to slow or change, the human contribution, if we had the funds the Government does... I have said this plenty of times JH... Hence why I am getting bored now saying it... And you have added nothing to this debate so far.
This isn't a debate... Unless you want to make the title of this thread "What is the cause of global warming?"?
If it is a natural process then how can it be easy to slow or change? We aren't affecting it now, so why would magic seawater-powered cars or anything else have an effect?
Let me repeat myself: you believe global warming is real but is natural. You also believe that GW can be stopped or slowed by solutions designed for man-made climate change. Can't you see how incompatible these beliefs are?
QuoteOff Topic - VOR was on a REP of 6 last night, he has said nothing wrong to be reduced... I was on 70 last night, now 67....?
If it bothers you so much (and it does) go whine and bitch to whoever raised your rep the last time it was at a level you didn't like.
QuoteLet me repeat myself: you believe global warming is real but is natural. You also believe that GW can be stopped or slowed by solutions designed for man-made climate change. Can't you see how incompatible these beliefs are?
Yes I know how incompatiable these idea's are... That's what I am showing... The Government think Global warming is happening yet they have backed any intitive that has a chance of making a massive change... That's kind of the whole point, of us raising these idea's and looking at why they haven't backed them.
So if you want to attack the idea's I have put up rather than attacking me, I will be glad to reply.
JH, watch the Video on the Salt Water Car made by GM, funded in America but made in Germany please.
Quote from: landofshadows on August 02, 2007, 08:00:15 AM
QuoteLet me repeat myself: you believe global warming is real but is natural. You also believe that GW can be stopped or slowed by solutions designed for man-made climate change. Can't you see how incompatible these beliefs are?
Yes I know how incompatiable these idea's are... That's what I am showing... The Government think Global warming is happening yet they have backed any intitive that has a chance of making a massive change... That's kind of the whole point, of us raising these idea's and looking at why they haven't backed them.
So if you want to attack the idea's I have put up rather than attacking me, I will be glad to reply.
What is the point in speculating on endeavors you believe to be totally futile? I can't discuss this the way you want to because you want us to talk about what next-gen technology and programs we think society will use in the next few years - but according to you all these attempts will have no impact on the environment and are useless. Indeed, you admit to"choosing" "seawater-powered technology" not because you think will be the most widely adopted and effective option available, but because you like an aspect of it (environmentally friendly emissions).
What would I do? Lotsa stuff. Get car manufacturers to tighten fuel efficiency on new cars and make old cars get upgrades. No more 11mpg vehicles spewing smoke in my face. Encourage the use of public transportation and work to develop them in cities that go without. Build more nuclear reactors to replace power plants that run on fossil fuels.
Edit: and, yes, develop alternate fuel sources.
All this is off the top of my head. They're simple and obvious. We can do them
right now. What we
can't do is dedicate an entire civilization to hydrogen cell technology at the expense of all other scientific research, and the West's militaries.
QuoteJH, watch the Video on the Salt Water Car made by GM, funded in America but made in Germany please.
I did when you first posted it. Why do you keep harping on the fact that an American company built it in Germany?
Quotekeep harping on the fact that an American company built it in Germany?
First time I have... Your American and Hitler was German thought it might help you watch it...LOL
QuoteWhat would I do? Lotsa stuff. Get car manufacturers to tighten fuel efficiency on new cars and make old cars get upgrades. No more 11mpg vehicles spewing smoke in my face. Encourage the use of public transportation and work to develop them in cities that go without. Build more nuclear reactors to replace power plants that run on fossil fuels.
Edit: and, yes, develop alternate fuel sources.
Perfect that's the sort of thing I wanted JH... Tighten Fuel efficency... The Jap's and the French have, the Toyota Purius is a hybrid and can do 700 miles to one tank of fuel... You see other countries are leading the way on that front, and it's not them Harping on about Global Warming... USA and the UK are, yet we are doing almost nothing ?
I have used your idea of Tightening Fuel, and shown our Governments aren't doing too much.
Quote from: landofshadows on August 02, 2007, 09:19:22 AMPerfect that's the sort of thing I wanted JH... Tighten Fuel efficency... The Jap's and the French have, the Toyota Purius is a hybrid and can do 700 miles to one tank of fuel... You see other countries are leading the way on that front, and it's not them Harping on about Global Warming... USA and the UK are, yet we are doing almost nothing ?
I have used your idea of Tightening Fuel, and shown our Governments aren't doing too much.
I didn't say anything about hybrid cars. Right now hybrid cars still seem new and fancy to new car buyers and they haven't had much time to permeate the used car market. When I said "tighter fuel efficiency" I meant I wanted a lot of cars off the road permanently. Why didn't you even mention any of my other suggestions? Global warming is more than all them cars shooting pollution straight into the ozone layer, you know. What I jotted down in that post are just a few things that we could do right away if GW was really an issue for the people who mattered (hint: not us). Anyway, I had no idea that France and Japan were utterly unconcerned with global warming. You'd think that Japan, being an island nation with most of its population living on the coast, would be especially concerned.
Also: the Toyota Prius does not get 700mpg. If it did everyone in the world would drive one because they wouldn't have to refuel their cars for weeks.
Oh, sorry my bad... I meant the Altima Hybrid by Nissan.
700 miles to 20 gallon Fuel tank:- http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/10/nissan_altima_hybrid2007.php
Quote700 miles to one tank of fuel...
I didn't say per Gallon, I said per full tank...
QuoteI wanted a lot of cars off the road permanently.
Like muscle cars and sports cars...?
I would rather see some sort of conversion, or hybrid super engine developed, rather than see these Wicked looking cars vanish...
QuoteBuild more nuclear reactors to replace power plants that run on fossil fuels.
Another good idea, one that is being looked at and funded, why are the govenment funding it, it keeps them Urainum rich.
Japs is not a nice term. That's like saying frenchies, really.
Quote from: landofshadows on August 02, 2007, 11:38:04 AM
Oh, sorry my bad... I meant the Altima Hybrid by Nissan.
700 miles to 20 gallon Fuel tank:- link (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/10/nissan_altima_hybrid2007.php)
I didn't say per Gallon, I said per full tank...
Whoops. That's not as impressive as 700mpg,
Hybrid cars are part of the problem as long they get their electricity from fossil fuel-burning power plants. Most of them will.
QuoteQuoteI wanted a lot of cars off the road permanently.
Like muscle cars and sports cars...?
I would rather see some sort of conversion, or hybrid super engine developed, rather than see these Wicked looking cars vanish...
Anything that failed an emissions and efficiency test would be taken off the road until they could get a suitable upgrade. The people who would hurt the most would be the poor who would have problems coming up with funds to upgrade their cars. Still, there would be more public transportation in this dreamworld of mine, and perhaps even government subsidies to lower the price of fares.
QuoteAnother good idea, one that is being looked at and funded, why are the govenment funding it, it keeps them Urainum rich.
That's stupid.
this may seem a bit unrealistic, but what if we planted trees in empty locations, I mean, here in Miami, it's pretty bare here, some lots only have concrete and have been sitting there vacant for years, so, what if we freed up vacant spaces, cleaned up whatever we may have emptied in some lots, put fertile soil ,plant some trees, etc accross the US, I can safely say it may get a little cooler since, not only do trees provide shade, reflect back some sun rays, but also convert CO2 into breathable oxygen?
I mean, Global warming is due to cars.
Ah speaking of which, I remember watching a Film by Al Gore about 2 years ago, dealing with climate change, there was an uprising in electric cars near the late 90's, but oil and petro companies supposedly made a deal with the government to put electric cars out of the market to ensure their place as a disgusting money making Super Power. I blame oil companies and their infatuation with Money on Climate Change really.
Here's the deal, car developers have the technology. It costs more. The lazy arses that run the company don't want to spend more money. So they were like "What did a little water ever do?" and they kept their gas guzzling, carbon dioxide emitting systems. The government might be doing something. Yes they could stop it. But I blame the car manufacturers
Actually, the climate changes is in fact the natural condition of Earth
The climate we are living in right now is an alien time for our ancient Earth.
Midway throughout it's life, the Earth will change. It is probably now.
The normal climate for Earth is chaotic and explosive. So, global warming is actually normal
Why do you think Earth suffered a lot of tectonic activities ?
It's Earth's normal climate, for heaven's sake.
We're living throughout a temporary halt of Earth's unforgiving climate.
The climate change and natural disasters is a sign that the Earth is returning to its natural state.
We can't slow it either, I suppose.
Maybe by a pinch.
Oh, and anti matter is an atom, that unlike the atom bomb, splitted; but merged into one with intense hotness
so that you can make power out of it. Fuels all human needs (TV, toilet, transport, entertainment, etc.)
Quote from: Leventhan on August 06, 2007, 02:48:15 AM
Oh, and anti matter is an atom, that unlike the atom bomb, splitted; but merged into one with intense hotness
so that you can make power out of it. Fuels all human needs (TV, toilet, transport, entertainment, etc.)
Thats nuclear power pal.
Oh and, yes the world IS changing. We are accelerating the process
Or perhaps they want to rob us of gas mileage because oil companies might share some of the profit with car manufacturers, I mean, seeing all the alternate energy sources, I can't see any other reason they're not making them more environmentally stable. I mean I'm sure that when two companies can't live without the other, they strike each other a deal, mostly the oil companies need car companies, car companies just want the money. so car companies provide the altar to sacrifice the lamb, while the oil company provides the lamb, done, unless the oil company decides to switch to providing efficient solar panels, they'll keep pumping until they pump the last drop of oil, the oil company gets screwed over, no deal could be made, car companies switch to alternate mode of energy, most likely pure ethanol, then the farmers across countries become the single richest people, just by providing corn liquor.
Edit: I don't mean to sound ignorant or anything Leventhan, but I gotta disagree with you on that one, I mean, if it was a natural occurence, wouldn't the temperature of the earth be rising more gradually than it currently is? I mean, if you look at a chart that spans from the late 1800s until now, it appears as if it spiked. the change from then, until now, is our dependency in petroleum products, the change in tectonic plate movements could be due to the void left behind after petroleum extraction, do you know how much is extracted annually? :O
Ok, lets put it as nicely as possible. If we run out of fossil fuels at this point, the world is screwed over, we will have a third World War, and what comes out of it will not be pretty. So we CAN NOT wait untill then to swap to alternate resources. If we wait too long, they won't be alternate resources any more.
too true, it's a now or never situation ._.
Quote from: Forcystus on August 06, 2007, 02:57:21 AM
Quote from: Leventhan on August 06, 2007, 02:48:15 AM
Oh, and anti matter is an atom, that unlike the atom bomb, splitted; but merged into one with intense hotness
so that you can make power out of it. Fuels all human needs (TV, toilet, transport, entertainment, etc.)
Thats nuclear power pal.
Oh and, yes the world IS changing. We are accelerating the process
Anti-Matter isn't nuclear. It's made with only hydroge, a.k.a water.Quote from: Forcystus on August 06, 2007, 07:59:23 PM
Ok, lets put it as nicely as possible. If we run out of fossil fuels at this point, the world is screwed over, we will have a third World War, and what comes out of it will not be pretty. So we CAN NOT wait untill then to swap to alternate resources. If we wait too long, they won't be alternate resources any more.
There's one called gas hydrate.
Wouldn't Anti Matter be, well... no type of matter? I mean it's in the name, Anti Matter, and hydrogen is a gas, which is a kind of matter, so...
AH! you guys are referring to nuclear Fusion, that's the fusion of two hydrogen atoms to form helium. and yes, that does take a considerable amount of heat to do, but not out of reach, our sun undergoes nuclear fusion everyday.
EDIT: Gas Hydrate is solidified Methane that's found deep beneath the oceans. however, it's hard to extract,more than just because of its location.
Don't any of you read science fiction? Antimatter is matter made with negatively charged protons and positively charged electrons. It is possible to create antimatter versions of every element on the periodic table- antilead, antigold, whatever. When antimatter comes into contact with the regular stuff both anti and anti-anti matter become 100% energy. It'd be great for weapons and power generation, but at the moment it can't be made on an industrial level. In fact,we can barely make any. Some big-name laboratory (Edit: CERN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN)) has been making it for years with a particle accelerator and it would all fit on a pinhead or some ridiculously small item like that.
Quote from: Saladin on August 08, 2007, 05:20:14 AM
Don't any of you read science fiction? Antimatter is matter made with negatively charged protons and positively charged electrons. It is possible to create antimatter versions of every element on the periodic table- antilead, antigold, whatever. When antimatter comes into contact with the regular stuff both anti and anti-anti matter become 100% energy. It'd be great for weapons and power generation, but at the moment it can't be made on an industrial level. In fact,we can barely make any. Some big-name laboratory (Edit: CERN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN)) has been making it for years with a particle accelerator and it would all fit on a pinhead or some ridiculously small item like that.
More or less, to put it simply, anti-matter is free energy. Almost, anyways.
Quote from: Leventhan on August 08, 2007, 05:32:47 AMMore or less, to put it simply, anti-matter is free energy. Almost, anyways.
No, it isn't.
anti matter is void of any matter, it's an atom with its charges inverted, and no it's not free energy, it takes up alot of energy just to make enough anti matter for a pinhead, as stated above, read Angels and Demons by Dan Brown, and you'll get the gist of what it is, but anyways, this is getting OFF-TOPIC. :=:
Anyways, i think if we put enough sturdy wind farms in tornado Alley, we might be able produce more power than fuel burning Power plants from one tornado alone, that is, if we make the turbines more efficient.
Quote from: Ciaron on August 08, 2007, 05:53:22 AM
Anyways, i think if we put enough sturdy wind farms in tornado Alley, we might be able produce more power than fuel burning Power plants from one tornado alone, that is, if we make the turbines more efficient.
Sure. All we have to do is build a weather-controlling ray gun that will make tornadoes stay in one spot, year after year.
thats the point of putting enough wind farms in tornado alley, when you cover most of the playing field with land mines, you can be guaranteed that at least one of the soccer players is gonna blown up.
Quote from: Ciaron on August 08, 2007, 06:05:12 AM
thats the point of putting enough wind farms in tornado alley, when you cover most of the playing field with land mines, you can be guaranteed that at least one of the soccer players is gonna blown up.
Tornado Alley is a
huge swath of land that goes through the American Midwest. Building hundreds of wind farms for a few hours of energy once or twice during tornado season is silly and wasteful.
Quote from: Saladin on August 08, 2007, 06:08:46 AM
Quote from: Ciaron on August 08, 2007, 06:05:12 AM
thats the point of putting enough wind farms in tornado alley, when you cover most of the playing field with land mines, you can be guaranteed that at least one of the soccer players is gonna blown up.
Tornado Alley is a huge swath of land that goes through the American Midwest. Building hundreds of wind farms for a few hours of energy once or twice during tornado season is silly and wasteful.
I didn't say it was feasible now did i? ;8
Quote from: Venom on August 09, 2007, 07:41:07 PM
News Flash people Carbon Dioxide "COOLS" Stuff and does not increase temperatures :(
woah woah woah! where the hell did u get that information!!! :o :o
that's middle school stuff! Carbon Dioxide is known as a "green house" gas, you know why? you know why? cuz it traps heat in the atmosphere, the more carbon dioxide, the harder it is for heat to escape, Venus, is an example of green house gases gone wrong, it's so thick with carbon dioxide, it traps almost all of the suns rays which heats up the surface to about 700 degrees Celsius or more.
wiki it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_Dioxide
Here you go... I have made a You Tube Video so you can make sense of my thinking:-
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is is hot .....in 20 years ...this will be crazy we dnt have to wrry about oil prices....wow
God, I hate it when a noob runs through and posts in every topic.
who me? :O well... even if u weren't referring to me, i do that when i'm bored and out of ideas for the rpg.
but... back on the matter this topic was intended for, engineers need to work on either more fuel efficient cars, or perfect the electric car
so it could run like any other petro car on the market, but fully run on electricity, this would have a severe impact on climate change, for the better, especially if the Government got off its arse and funded something useful for the future thats actually beneficial Globally; gas cars becoming obsolete.
although most power plants work by petroleum and it's by-products, they pale compared to what's released everyday by cars, if we at least remove one source of carbon Dioxide, I'm sure there'll be a significant impact on global temperatures, for the best of course.
even if the government may refuse to participate in bettering our world crisis (money is involved of course because it would impact petroleum companies greatly) we ourselves can actually do something if we all put in at least a dollar into an account specifically for research purposes on electrical motors and/or batteries. in the U.S. alone, that would be about $299,398,484 put into research if everyone provided a dollar once. a freakin dollar, that can't even pay for a liter of soda in florida. I don't think you guys need to do the math here, if 299,398,484 people provided more than a dollar, this number could quadruple, and i'm sure would be a generous amount for research on a better electric motor or battery. K i think that's enough for now :P
Here's what the changes in England are for:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6972759.stm
That £400 per year from the Tax payer could have been spent installing Garbage disposal units like those found in the USA in the sinks, solar panels, Wind machines, Duel boilers... all sorts per home enviroment... But it's not, all its doing is replacing the tax loss for that lost in the new smoking ban !!!
I get so angery being ripped off left right and centre.
Every company and the government are out to cheat the working man.
If climate change is SUCH and issue why does appear the governments are not acting ?...
There have been spme good idea's raised in this topic and some that could work... I wonder why the Government is find such a simple thing so hard to solve.
Sorry to double post, but this is a few days later... I have just found this brilliant video...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/040607Weather.htm
It shows that the government are controlling the weather... So if we are responciple for Global Warming this could point the fingure back at the heads of state !!
Reading this may scare some people, others may fall asleep... But either way it's kind of odd:- http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf
And here's a Video I made outside my work place today:-
[youtube=425,350]7CrPoeMKD0o[/youtube]