A better idea would be to power everything with magic. Wait, a car that is powered by seawater is magic!
Since Antarctica's and Greenland's ice is freshwater, the seawater's magic content is becoming diluted.
Global warming is happening
What absolute horse shit. That car runs on pure corporate hype.
I find your statement "Global warming is happening" to be really pathetic. Saying it's real over and over will not make it so. Just because a theory has a lot of hype and fat, white failed-presidents supporting it does not mean it's excluded from the normal, scientific process that all theories are put through.
I know Global warming is not caused by us, What I am trying to say is the Government are saying it's happening, and if they used half a brain cell they could combat it rather than sturring the media into a frenzy and reporting is down to us, rather than spending the money proving we are causing it, I think the money should be spent, reducing our 2% of gas contribution to 1% or below.
And when did that ever stop people believing stuff?
IF global warming is happening and is a natural occurring phenomena not brought on by man (which could very well be true with the cycle of ice ages) then what would us changing our pathetic contribution to the problem do?
If it is a natural event, at the current stage of our technological evolution I truly doubt man can do anything to prevent it, because IF it is going to happen, it is not on mans accord but natures.
I was hoping to see some people pick up on some thing similar to my idea that could help reduce resource consumption and pollution... I am seeing if people over average intellect like us, normal every day folk can come up with idea's that for some reason national and global intelligence can't... But so far I have lucked out.
Please, read my post a little more slowly; this is an event that would occur even if man never existed (if it is happening), the damage man is doing is literally close to nothing compared to natural events that are contributing, so how is changing our inconceivable effect on this phenomena (like changing the fuel in our cars) going to slow it down in any worthwhile way?
Even if every human-being on this planet suddenly dropped their guns and went 100% green, making mans contribution to global warming nil, it would make close to no difference as we ourselves are not adding a significant amount to this apparent natural event if you believe man is not the cause.
Please don't turn this into a debate on if Global warming is real or not... This is more a topic on if it is real how do we slow it ?[/size]
I'm sorry, but as I have already said; we can not stop it. If changing what man is doing will not make a difference, then the only other option would be opposing the natural contributions itself. We are not technologically evolved to a point that we can effectively control nature.
Methane in the Earth's atmosphere is an important greenhouse gas with a global warming potential of 25 over a 100 year period. This means that a 1 tonne methane emission will have 25 times the impact on temperature of a 1 tonne carbon dioxide emission during the following 100 years. Methane has a large effect for a brief period (about 10 years), whereas carbon dioxide has a small effect for a long period (over 100 years). Because of this difference in effect and time period, the global warming potential of methane over a 20 year time period is 72. The methane concentration has increased by about 150% since 1750 and it accounts for 20% of the total radiative forcing from all of the long-lived and globally mixed greenhouse gases.
Global warming is happening, but I don't think we are to blame, but that aside as the governments do think Global warming is happening.
I was hoping to see some people pick up on some thing similar to my idea that could help reduce resource consumption and pollution... I am seeing if people over average intellect like us, normal every day folk can come up with idea's that for some reason national and global intelligence can't... But so far I have lucked out.
Hold on a second.Global warming is happening, but I don't think we are to blame, but that aside as the governments do think Global warming is happening.
If you had given this any thought then you know that if global warming was natural then it would be inexorable and any attempt to stop or slow it would be futile.
Global warming is happening, but I don't think we are to blame, but that aside as the governments do think Global warming is happening and we are to blame.
SHOULDN'T YOU BE PUTTING YOUR "VALUABLE TIME" IN INFORMING THE GOVERNMENT THAT HUMANS ARE NOT TO BLAME
So why are the Government trying to push Global Warming as being some thing we are causing ?...
You see It is stupid... The Government is stupid... That's one of the points of this thread, but not the whole point.
It's great that even if Global warming was down to us we would have so many options to choose from, to help slow it.
The Theory I have
Right now Billion's are being spent arming pretty much every Arab state apart from Iran, that money would have been better spent, if they think Global warming will be the end of Man one day, than trying to defend a few Arab states from a Nuke threat from their own neighbouring state, that we have no proof has Nukes...LOL
(You say what's the point in spending money on some thing we don't have proof on, your government already is)
15 Billion could have funded about 3 or four of the projects I have mentioned... But they would rather spend the 15 Billion arming Arabs for the next ten years...
The Media Reports on Global Warming alone cost a couple of Billion a year, and that's not to mention all the money the Government give to scientists to prove Global Warming is down to man.
The point of this topic was to show how easy it would be for the Government to make changes.
The Government has us as it wants us, in fear... Global Warming is one of the top ten listed things to end man kind, and the media and Jews (As you mentioned before) are the ones keeping this threat very much alive and in the forefront of our minds.
It was like the floods here in England, the News Reporter was ranting on about what we could have done to help stop global change, rather than who removed the flood defences...?
The only Fuel source the Government are interested in is Oil as it keeps many people in Jobs and it keeps the rich, rich and the poor, poor.... They can't shift to a resource so abundant as Hydrogen, there would be no or very little money in it.
So they create Global Warming tell us all to cut back on our consumption, not for a better tomorrow, but for a richer today for them !!!
I think the lot of you who propose alternative fuels (such as sea water, methane, ethanol, or hydrogen) fail to understand the resource costs of them and their actual efficiency. See, oil is not just not a fuel source. It's a source for tens of thousands of thousands of products we use everyday: Nearly everything you own, even the computer you're sitting on when you respond to this conversation, is a product of oil, whether directly or indirectly. The gathering methods and the refining methods and it being manufactured into other products is not good for environment.
Hydrogen is a common element, but not as much as you'd think on earth. To gather it, it requires a lot of resources. To produce enough hydrogen that matches a single gallon of petrol fuel used in an engine, you need to put three times that amount of oil into it getting it. Not exactly efficient, is it? They're calling for another 40 years before it's actually feasible. I wonder how much oil goes into producing a car that runs on salt-water, because I bet it's not as feasible either.
Secondly, if you believe that we have a minimal impact on global warming, then we should do what we have to reduce our part. We have a responsibility to keep our environment clean. Now that the humans who practice mass production and totalitarian agriculture exist on a global scale, our environment is the world. If our impact is 0%, then we are to blame for nothing. Even if we do only 2%, we're still doing too much.
Whether or not global warming is real or created by governments based on a ass-backwards, half-witted assertion of interpretations of fallacious facts and skewed news blips, while ignoring more real and more concrete scientific statements, is irrelevant. The matter shouldn't be about a boogey man, however real he may be. We still have an irrevocable effect on the environment.
This is a fact that has been proven by the looking at the aftermath of the industrial revolution. There are few places in Europe and Americas where you can drink water from a stream and not get sick. There are lakes that were once teaming with fish, but our dumping waste into the water has killed a lot of them off. The coral reefs are dying because our disposal. Hell, didn't one of the Great Lakes go up in flames because of how polluted it was?
Consider the improper disposal of batteries, computers, cell phones, and other high-tech gadgets. A massive amount of computer equipment (once abandoned is called e-waste) is sold to China a year for disposal, and there they use extraction methods to remove the gold from the board, acids and other chemicals which do nothing for the environment. Or the some rare-earth metal oxidizes and poisons water sources and fields. Batteries do just the same job.
When our action have an impact on the health of creatures around us, including other humans, we're doing something wrong. The smog cover in Los Angeles is a prime example. Or acid rain. Or forcing life to form new ways to adapt to our destructive behavior. When our presence hurts other people or animals or plants, we have fucked up. Not to say that nothing positive comes out of it, and that nature doesn't find ways to survive. In 1975, a bacteria was found to have generated an enzyme a priori to digest nylon (which is also a product of oil, btw). Other places in the world could only be so lucky to have such natural innovations.
We also have the problem with the economic ramifications of oil in the world. It is the crux, to be exact. So many products which we take for granted (medication, clothing, refrigeration, &c.) that when extracting and producing oil becomes too expensive to be feasible, every first world nation will come to a screeching halt.
So stop dodging the issue by hiding behind bullshit statements like, "humans have no impact on global warming," or "we only contribute 2% to a natural phenomenon." Enjoying 1st world benefits, such as the internet, such as cell phones, such as easily priced and available clothing, such as cold food is a contribution to some ecological problem on some level. Sitting around and rhetorically chasing frogs through a swamp may make you look like you know something, but you're not really doing ANYONE and ANYTHING any good anywhere.
its a breath of fresh air debating with you
It's true. Half the reason we can't move away from oil is because we put so much faith into it in the first place, knowing full well that it was a non-renewable resource. So far I'd say VOR is the smartest guy in this topic.
which, having not yet seen the videos
myself abundantly clear
Getting enough hydrogen equal to a gallon of gas requires you putting three gallons of gas in.
LoS, you still haven't told me why you think any of this matters if you don't think humans are responsible for global warming.
The Government does think man are responsible for global warming... (So despite what I think) I am going to show it's a fairly easy thing to slow or change, the human contribution, if we had the funds the Government does... I have said this plenty of times JH... Hence why I am getting bored now saying it... And you have added nothing to this debate so far.
Off Topic - VOR was on a REP of 6 last night, he has said nothing wrong to be reduced... I was on 70 last night, now 67....?
Let me repeat myself: you believe global warming is real but is natural. You also believe that GW can be stopped or slowed by solutions designed for man-made climate change. Can't you see how incompatible these beliefs are?
QuoteLet me repeat myself: you believe global warming is real but is natural. You also believe that GW can be stopped or slowed by solutions designed for man-made climate change. Can't you see how incompatible these beliefs are?
Yes I know how incompatiable these idea's are... That's what I am showing... The Government think Global warming is happening yet they have backed any intitive that has a chance of making a massive change... That's kind of the whole point, of us raising these idea's and looking at why they haven't backed them.
So if you want to attack the idea's I have put up rather than attacking me, I will be glad to reply.
JH, watch the Video on the Salt Water Car made by GM, funded in America but made in Germany please.
keep harping on the fact that an American company built it in Germany?
What would I do? Lotsa stuff. Get car manufacturers to tighten fuel efficiency on new cars and make old cars get upgrades. No more 11mpg vehicles spewing smoke in my face. Encourage the use of public transportation and work to develop them in cities that go without. Build more nuclear reactors to replace power plants that run on fossil fuels.
Edit: and, yes, develop alternate fuel sources.
Perfect that's the sort of thing I wanted JH... Tighten Fuel efficency... The Jap's and the French have, the Toyota Purius is a hybrid and can do 700 miles to one tank of fuel... You see other countries are leading the way on that front, and it's not them Harping on about Global Warming... USA and the UK are, yet we are doing almost nothing ?
I have used your idea of Tightening Fuel, and shown our Governments aren't doing too much.
700 miles to one tank of fuel...
I wanted a lot of cars off the road permanently.
Build more nuclear reactors to replace power plants that run on fossil fuels.
Oh, sorry my bad... I meant the Altima Hybrid by Nissan.
700 miles to 20 gallon Fuel tank:- link (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/10/nissan_altima_hybrid2007.php)
I didn't say per Gallon, I said per full tank...
QuoteI wanted a lot of cars off the road permanently.
Like muscle cars and sports cars...?
I would rather see some sort of conversion, or hybrid super engine developed, rather than see these Wicked looking cars vanish...
Another good idea, one that is being looked at and funded, why are the govenment funding it, it keeps them Urainum rich.
Oh, and anti matter is an atom, that unlike the atom bomb, splitted; but merged into one with intense hotness
so that you can make power out of it. Fuels all human needs (TV, toilet, transport, entertainment, etc.)
Anti-Matter isn't nuclear. It's made with only hydroge, a.k.a water.Oh, and anti matter is an atom, that unlike the atom bomb, splitted; but merged into one with intense hotness
so that you can make power out of it. Fuels all human needs (TV, toilet, transport, entertainment, etc.)
Thats nuclear power pal.
Oh and, yes the world IS changing. We are accelerating the process
Ok, lets put it as nicely as possible. If we run out of fossil fuels at this point, the world is screwed over, we will have a third World War, and what comes out of it will not be pretty. So we CAN NOT wait untill then to swap to alternate resources. If we wait too long, they won't be alternate resources any more.
Don't any of you read science fiction? Antimatter is matter made with negatively charged protons and positively charged electrons. It is possible to create antimatter versions of every element on the periodic table- antilead, antigold, whatever. When antimatter comes into contact with the regular stuff both anti and anti-anti matter become 100% energy. It'd be great for weapons and power generation, but at the moment it can't be made on an industrial level. In fact,we can barely make any. Some big-name laboratory (Edit: CERN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN)) has been making it for years with a particle accelerator and it would all fit on a pinhead or some ridiculously small item like that.
More or less, to put it simply, anti-matter is free energy. Almost, anyways.
this is getting OFF-TOPIC. :=:
Anyways, i think if we put enough sturdy wind farms in tornado Alley, we might be able produce more power than fuel burning Power plants from one tornado alone, that is, if we make the turbines more efficient.
thats the point of putting enough wind farms in tornado alley, when you cover most of the playing field with land mines, you can be guaranteed that at least one of the soccer players is gonna blown up.
I didn't say it was feasible now did i? ;8thats the point of putting enough wind farms in tornado alley, when you cover most of the playing field with land mines, you can be guaranteed that at least one of the soccer players is gonna blown up.
Tornado Alley is a huge swath of land that goes through the American Midwest. Building hundreds of wind farms for a few hours of energy once or twice during tornado season is silly and wasteful.
News Flash people Carbon Dioxide "COOLS" Stuff and does not increase temperatures :(woah woah woah! where the hell did u get that information!!! :o :o