QuoteMore than 20 people dead in Virginia Tech shootings
BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) - A gunman opened fire in a dorm and classroom at Virginia Tech on Monday, killing 21 people in the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history. The gunman was killed but it was unclear if he was shot by police or took his own life.
"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said Virginia Tech president Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified."
The university reported shootings at opposite sides of the 2,600-acre campus, beginning at about 7:15 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, a co-ed residence hall that houses 895 people, and continuing about two hours later at Norris Hall, an engineering building.
The name of the gunman was not released.
Up until Monday, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history took place in 1966 at the University of Texas, where Charles Whitman climbed to the 28th-floor observation deck of a clock tower and opened fire. He killed 16 people before he was gunned down by police. In the Columbine High bloodbath near Littleton, Colo., in 1999, two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before taking their own lives.
On Monday, one student was killed in a dorm and the others were killed in the classroom, Virginia Tech Police Chief W.R. Flinchum.
After the shootings, all entrances to the campus were closed and classes canceled through Tuesday.
"There's just a lot of commotion. It's hard to tell exactly what's going on," said Jason Anthony Smith, 19, who lives in the dorm where shooting took place.
Aimee Kanode, a freshman from Martinsville, said the shooting happened on the 4th floor of West Ambler Johnston dormitory, one floor above her room. Kanode's resident assistant knocked on her door about 8 a.m. to notify students to stay put.
"They had us under lockdown," Kanode said. "They temporarily lifted the lockdown, the gunman shot again."
"We're all locked in our dorms surfing the Internet trying to figure out what's going on," Kanode said.
Madison Van Duyne, a student who was interviewed by telephone on CNN, said, "We are all in lockdown. Most of the students are sitting on the floors away from the windows just trying to be as safe as possible."
It was second time in less than a year that the campus was closed because of a shooting.
In August 2006, the opening day of classes was canceled and the campus closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff's deputy involved in the manhunt was killed on a trail just off campus.
The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6560685.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6560685.stm)
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It's terrible that there are people out there like that. Those students were there to get an education, and he was out to kill them for some unknown reason.
Terrible. :-\
Thats disgusting, really. I don't live in the US..but stuff like this is disgusting in the upmost. I have also read this at GamingW, they say that 32 people were reported dead, according to the latest news.
Leave you at a loss of words it does. To think that someone has a mind sick enough to pull this off..
I just don't know.
It is unfortunate, but all I can say is that here in the USA, we have the highest crime rates than any other country as far as I know. Personally I am sick of being here, not just the crime rates, but mainly the quality of people.
Latest updates say 33 bodies were found. USA has the greatest chance of opportunity, but there's also the greater opportunity of dying of psychopaths and freaks/idiots. These guys should just shoot themselves and put them out their own miseries. That has the be the reason they killed, because their life sucked.
lol tippicall americans always killing each otter... in my country noone is allowed to haev a gun bcuz this is whut happens coz they hade an gun an if they didnt this would nevar have happen... ammerica has the worst crimenals in the world 50% of americans wil be shoot with an illeagel gun nd 25% of den will dye frum thair wounds evry one in america is a sikopath wut is rong wit u ppl
Yeah I just watched the news for like an hour on it. =/ this stuff sucks. coulmbine then this.
I think something like that ever happened before in USA too...
...that some students explode bombs and shot guns at other students?
Quote from: Saladin on April 16, 2007, 09:19:29 PM
lol tippicall americans always killing each otter... in my country noone is allowed to haev a gun bcuz this is whut happens coz they hade an gun an if they didnt this would nevar have happen... ammerica has the worst crimenals in the world 50% of americans wil be shoot with an illeagel gun nd 25% of den will dye frum thair wounds evry one in america is a sikopath wut is rong wit u ppl
Yea, but we can get an education in America :/
Quote from: Saladin on April 16, 2007, 09:19:29 PM
lol tippicall americans always killing each otter... in my country noone is allowed to haev a gun bcuz this is whut happens coz they hade an gun an if they didnt this would nevar have happen... ammerica has the worst crimenals in the world 50% of americans wil be shoot with an illeagel gun nd 25% of den will dye frum thair wounds evry one in america is a sikopath wut is rong wit u ppl
Fucking type right.
As for the topic, this shit happens all the time. I start to think that maybe the only reason that people would do something like this is to beat the kill record. I mean, honestly, what does this accomplish? The saddest part of the whole thing is that I am neither surprised, nor shocked.
Quote from: Saladin on April 16, 2007, 09:19:29 PM
lol tippicall americans always killing each otter... in my country noone is allowed to haev a gun bcuz this is whut happens coz they hade an gun an if they didnt this would nevar have happen... ammerica has the worst crimenals in the world 50% of americans wil be shoot with an illeagel gun nd 25% of den will dye frum thair wounds evry one in america is a sikopath wut is rong wit u ppl
Wait, what country are you from again?
Saladin is being sarcastic and imitating the typical European of RMRK.
QuoteIt is unfortunate, but all I can say is that here in the USA, we have the highest crime rates than any other country as far as I know. Personally I am sick of being here, not just the crime rates, but mainly the quality of people.
Move to Colombia.
Interesting how my spelling and grammar was remarkable, but my opinion of America was not.
Quote from: Dr_Swordopolis on April 17, 2007, 01:34:02 AM
Quote from: Saladin on April 16, 2007, 09:19:29 PM
lol tippicall americans always killing each otter... in my country noone is allowed to haev a gun bcuz this is whut happens coz they hade an gun an if they didnt this would nevar have happen... ammerica has the worst crimenals in the world 50% of americans wil be shoot with an illeagel gun nd 25% of den will dye frum thair wounds evry one in america is a sikopath wut is rong wit u ppl
Yea, but we can get an education in America :/
umm actually we are not as well educated here as other countries, i mean come on. The average IQ here is between 80-100. That's actually kinda sad.
Quote from: eternal_renegade on April 17, 2007, 02:59:36 AMumm actually we are not as well educated here as other countries, i mean come on. The average IQ here is between 80-100. That's actually kinda sad.
Where do you get these astounding facts from?
An IQ of 80 is not much better than retarded, by they way.
Am I the only fucken person who KNEW who Saladin was spoofing, for the love of Thor's balls people IT'S OBVIOUS!
But on a serious note, the shooting was seriously some fucked up shit.
Who cares. Spoofing or not, its annoying. Fucked up shit happens all the time. You get used to it after a while.
yeah but they found two dead and said "let's not close the school, the guy probally left the state already" WTF. thouse other 30 kids could still be alive if school went lockdown.
Although we can blame the campus police for making a big mistake, you also must understand their logic. They really thought the person who did the shooting fled the scene of the crime.
Wow, campus police did something stupid. That doesn't happen all the time or anything. At least at this school, they weren't busy tasering an innocent student when the shooting started.
Quote from: Saladin on April 17, 2007, 03:04:06 AM
Quote from: eternal_renegade on April 17, 2007, 02:59:36 AMumm actually we are not as well educated here as other countries, i mean come on. The average IQ here is between 80-100. That's actually kinda sad.
Where do you get these astounding facts from?
An IQ of 80 is not much better than retarded, by they way.
well here is a source I just looked up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(test_data)#IQ_test_score_gap_in_the_US
also just look up the average IQ for america on any search engine and you'll get the same answers.
Quote from: Holkeye on April 17, 2007, 03:11:22 AMAt least at this school, they weren't busy tasering an innocent student when the shooting started.
You mean that student who got all pissy and righteous when he couldn't produce a student I.D. and prove he actually went to that college. That one?
I think I found some one who has a disdian for cops similar to mine. Unfortunatly, I have a few in my family so I've learned to put up with them.
Quote from: eternal_renegade on April 17, 2007, 03:14:09 AM
Quote from: Saladin on April 17, 2007, 03:04:06 AM
Quote from: eternal_renegade on April 17, 2007, 02:59:36 AMumm actually we are not as well educated here as other countries, i mean come on. The average IQ here is between 80-100. That's actually kinda sad.
Where do you get these astounding facts from?
An IQ of 80 is not much better than retarded, by they way.
well here is a source I just looked up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(test_data)#IQ_test_score_gap_in_the_US
also just look up the average IQ for america on any search engine and you'll get the same answers.
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Hey Holk, that picture is broken.
Quote from: eternal_renegade on April 17, 2007, 03:14:09 AMwell here is a source I just looked up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(test_data)#IQ_test_score_gap_in_the_US
A Wikipedia link is not proof for anything, especially one about IQ and
especially one with a {{totallydisputed}} tag.
Quotealso just look up the average IQ for america on any search engine and you'll get the same answers.
Also how about you link to all those non-wikipedia sources you've used to determine that Americans are idiots, because I can't be bothered.
Quote from: Saladin on April 17, 2007, 03:19:11 AM
Quote from: eternal_renegade on April 17, 2007, 03:14:09 AMwell here is a source I just looked up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(test_data)#IQ_test_score_gap_in_the_US
A Wikipedia link is not proof for anything, especially one about IQ and especially one with a {{totallydisputed}} tag.
Quotealso just look up the average IQ for america on any search engine and you'll get the same answers.
Also how about you link to all those non-wikipedia sources you've used to determine that Americans are idiots, because I can't be bothered.
I'm sorry if this has nothing to do with the topic, but I've known too many idiots here in this country personally.
The actual average is 100 because really anything above 110 is actually above average. In america it would be very possibly for the average to be lower considering the only amount of people willing to learn as most (at least in california) don't even graduate highschool. And most really don't have much commonsense. This generation anyways.
Also if you watch idocracy, although it may just be a comedy, every year the IQ average actually drops.
This is the last off topic thing I am going to say.
Since when did the average matter anyway? The people who want to actively increase their intelligence will do so. The people with low IQ's may be a majority, but IQ is not the only kind of smarts and intelligence there is.
As far as the shooting goes, its over. People are dead, blame is being set, lives are going on, and as far as I can tell, nobody here was personally affected by it. It is a real shame, but I'll be moving on with my life now~
Not to mention IQ is completely irrelevant here. The score has too many factors to even matter, most notably age and location. You could score a 90 in one place, and go somewhere else in the world and score 20-30 points higher, because the average of that area's IQ will effect your score. Hence, going to an area full of highly educated people with excellent reasoning skills, your score will not be as high as you might think it should be.
Oh wait, this isn't a topic about IQ, it's about a school shooting, how silly of me. Non-Americans, commence commenting on how insane everyone in the US is, and Americans, continue not caring. I'm gonna go to bed.
Its not that I don't care. Its just that these things have become the norm these days. This is just another form of terrorism, and I will not let myself be frightened by it. I feel bad, yes, but it doesn't stop my life. If someone close to me happens to be gunned down in a mall or a school, then I will do my part in mourning and anger. This incident is none of my business though, and I can't claim to understand why it happened.
On a side note, it seems that there is possible evidence that the shooter was actually in America on a Visa from Shanghai. If this is true, it renders all ill comments about America in this thread irrelevant. (if they weren't already.)
Quote from: Holkeye on April 17, 2007, 06:50:51 AMThis is just another form of terrorism,
No it isn't. Spree killing is not in any way like terrorism except that people die in both situations. A terrorist has a greater goal in mind when he commits an act of terrorism; spree killers have achieved their goal by killing people.
Quote from: Saladin on April 17, 2007, 06:55:15 AM
Quote from: Holkeye on April 17, 2007, 06:50:51 AMThis is just another form of terrorism,
No it isn't. Spree killing is not in any way like terrorism except that people die in both situations. A terrorist has a greater goal in mind when he commits an act of terrorism; spree killers have achieved their goal by killing people.
that makes sense.
Notice that I said "another form of terrorism." It may not be politically-oriented, but it still causes terror. Kindly take your 83 posts and gtfo of ID.
Holk it really isn't terrorism at all. Terrorism incites fear into people for a purpose, this case any fear created by this is solely because peple get killed. There was no message behind the shooting. There's always a messagebehind terrorism. Just admit you're wrong already.
Interesting, 33 killed by some little punk with anger management issues.
Never hear about anything like that happening outside of the US, but then again mass murder is the american way of life, now isn't it?
Really, what do you expect would happen when every 5-year old can get their hands on a gun without too much trouble?
Is the option to carry a gun really worth 10,000 lives a year?
What a shame. Totally unnecessary.
I'm sorry, but I'm gunna have to side with Holk. It is another form of terrorism. The objective of terrorism is to kill as many as possible, and to instill fear in those that survive.
Quote from: Irgna on April 17, 2007, 06:24:05 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm gunna have to side with Holk. It is another form of terrorism. The objective of terrorism is to kill as many as possible, and to instill fear in those that survive.
Quoteter·ror·ism /?t?r??r?z?m/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
I was gonna define terrorism too.. you found a better def.
This is NOT terrorism. There is a great difference between planned mass attacks to force a political agenda, and a single unbalanced individual who decides to shoot up his school. It's a bad idea to start branding anything involving fear as terrorism, as it takes away from the situation. What about a masked bank robber with a gun? He instills fear... is he a terrorist? If someone threatens you for your wallet, is he a terrorist? Calling someone a terrorist implies that they are an enemy of your country, and that thought probally gives some people some comfort, that all Americans are in it together. Well, sorry guys, but this was an attack on American students by an American student, theres no evil shadowy turban figure behind it, it's just good old fashioned mass murders.
BTW it's not just America that has this kinda crap. A while ago there was a shooting up here in Canada, although it wasn't as bad. This isn't a USA only kinda thing, theres fucked up kids all over the world.
Quote from: Holkeye on April 17, 2007, 06:50:51 AM
Its not that I don't care. Its just that these things have become the norm these days.
I didn't mean not caring about the people dying and whatnot, I meant not caring the foreigners think we're psycho gun-toting morons. ^___^ But you make a good point nonetheless.
And for those of you who think only "evil shadowy turban figures" have to be behind an attack for it to be terrorism, go kill yourself. Americans are capable of terrorism, and it doesn't necessarily have to be a politically driven attack. In addition, that's a poor definition that's been posted above, not to mention that you can't define a word with itself in the definition.
well I mean terrorism is used as a source of power, technically gangs, the mafia, I guess could also be considered terrorists.
But either way if your only objective is to kill people, and instill fear into people without a motive or a purpose for a higher standing then it couldn't be terrorism really.
When we look at school shootings, it's usually an act of revenge. Sometimes however they do it just for kicks. I don't think it would ever be classified as a terrorist type attack.
Quote from: Elegy on April 17, 2007, 05:23:15 PM
Interesting, 33 killed by some little punk with anger management issues.
Never hear about anything like that happening outside of the US, but then again mass murder is the american way of life, now isn't it?
Really, what do you expect would happen when every 5-year old can get their hands on a gun without too much trouble?
Is the option to carry a gun really worth 10,000 lives a year?
What a shame. Totally unnecessary.
Yet again, your outragous stupidy makes me want to slap the taste out of your mouth. Just stop saying any of your opninions, because you always make a retard out of yourself.
Said the pot to the kettle.. You really ought to re-evaluate your situation and lay off the alcohol before your opinions can even attempt to instill any sense of worth.
If it's not driven by political ambitions it cannot be classified as terrorism, it's just murder.
Bullshit, unlike you I actually put thought into posts in a situation like this. I'm seriously just sick of people tossing around the 'americans are cavemen with guns' crap. When ever some one spouts it it make them look incredibly ignorant.
By the way, I drink because they let people as fucking stupid as you roam the streets.
Quote from: Saladin on April 16, 2007, 09:19:29 PM
lol tippicall americans always killing each otter... in my country noone is allowed to haev a gun bcuz this is whut happens coz they hade an gun an if they didnt this would nevar have happen... ammerica has the worst crimenals in the world 50% of americans wil be shoot with an illeagel gun nd 25% of den will dye frum thair wounds evry one in america is a sikopath wut is rong wit u ppl
haha
*Plays the world's smallest violin*