Most of you here aren't religious and don't believe in what the Holy Bible says. If you would actually read the bible you would know about all of the fulfilled prophecies.
10 being fulfilled today (http://www.100prophecies.org/page1.htm)
10 fulfilled recently (http://www.100prophecies.org/page2.htm)
10 fulfilled in 1948 (http://www.100prophecies.org/page3.htm)
10 fulfilled in 1900s (http://www.100prophecies.org/page4.htm)
10 fulfilled before 1900 (http://www.100prophecies.org/page5.htm)
10 fulfilled by Jesus (http://www.100prophecies.org/page6.htm)
10 more fulfilled by Jesus (http://www.100prophecies.org/page7.htm)
10 fulfilled long ago (http://www.100prophecies.org/page8.htm)
10 more fulfilled long ago (http://www.100prophecies.org/page10.htm)
That's allot of events the bible has accurately predicted thousands of years ago. So is this not proof enough to believe in God and Jesus Christ? Are you willing to go with the scientific answer to life? Are you going to take a chance and not believe in a religion which it's accurately predicted all of these fulfilled prosthesis? How do you explain it? If you still don't believe you should start fearing the end (http://www.100prophecies.org/page9.htm).
Discuss.
I believe in god, I believe Jesus was a prophet of god just I'm muslim so I have different views on stuff.
I was targeting toward atheists mainly.
and alot of what Nostradamus predicted came true as well. the trick is to keep ur predictions vague and u cant be wrong.
i was brought up religious but it was when i started to read the bible that i decided i would rather believe in god not existing than a god that is as much of a dick as the Christian god. I looked into a few other religions, but as i got older and started looking at religion logically i realized theres no way in hell a god could exist, it makes no sense.
Quote from: darkelementwars on March 15, 2007, 10:43:17 PM
and alot of what Nostradamus predicted came true as well. the trick is to keep ur predictions vague and u cant be wrong.
i was brought up religious but it was when i started to read the bible that i decided i would rather believe in god not existing than a god that is as much of a dick as the Christian god. I looked into a few other religions, but as i got older and started looking at religion logically i realized theres no way in hell a god could exist, it makes no sense.
Does anything really make sense? Explain how anything was formed in the first place. Explain where time and space comes from. There are some thing that don't have a Scientific explanation.
The Hopi Indian prophecies for the end of the old world have come true, and things are pretty much the same as they were before.
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 10:55:07 PM
Does anything really make sense? Explain how anything was formed in the first place. Explain where time and space comes from. There are some thing that don't have a Scientific explanation.
"I don't understand it. God must have made it." I love the logic, it's simple
I think religious people like yourself are weak-minded cowards, if you want an honest opinion. You can't accept the world as it is, so you need to make up a God to hide behind
To be honest i believe in higher power and life after death i just don't believe in the Cristian views or others as most don't respect others views. Also i agree with darkelementwars if i said im 2 years theres gonna be a big explosion, in two years there might be but that does not mean im a prophet
Quote from: Kioku on March 15, 2007, 10:59:48 PM
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 10:55:07 PM
Does anything really make sense? Explain how anything was formed in the first place. Explain where time and space comes from. There are some thing that don't have a Scientific explanation.
"I don't understand it. God must have made it." I love the logic, it's simple
I think religious people like yourself are weak-minded cowards, if you want an honest opinion. You can't accept the world as it is, so you need to make up a God to hide behind
How does believing differently than you make me a coward? You can't except the fact that Christianity has allot more facts to back it up than the theory of evolution. And how do you go across calling billions of people "weak-minded cowards"?
Until evolution becomes a scientific law after passing the scientific method I am not going to believe in it. You can post here all you want but I advise you don't attempt to insult anyone. That's not why I made this thread. And also I don't "Hide behind God" I worship him for he created everything and cares for everyone.
Or I could just beleive we came up from some shit on the ground.
i dont think its fair to call religious people cowards, i honestly respect religious people. i'm just not one of them. he won't an explanation of how we aethists can honestly not believe in the bible, and i gave a reason.
If used correctly, religion would be a valuable tool. Unfortunately, there are people in the world that feel they have been created on some sort of higher plane than everyone else, and make people suffer for their beliefs. I'm not a religious person, but I like to think I am spiritual, and I also don't ignore hard evidence when I see it. If someone believes in the bible, fine. I don't push my theology and beliefs on others, and I expect them to reciprocate. I am, however, always interested in people's stories about religion and beliefs, because many of them hold valuable lessons. It is no coincidence that many religions have similar moral codes and parables. After all, it always comes back to human nature.
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 11:06:46 PM
How does believing differently than you make me a coward? You can't except the fact that Christianity has allot more facts to back it up than the theory of evolution. And how do you go across calling billions of people "weak-minded cowards"?
Until evolution becomes a scientific law after passing the scientific method I am not going to believe in it. You can post here all you want but I advise you don't attempt to insult anyone. That's not why I made this thread. And also I don't "Hide behind God" I worship him for he created everything and cares for everyone.
Or I could just beleive we came up from some shit on the ground.
I never said believing differently than me made you a coward, I said being religious did, don't try to misquote me. Religion doesn't have any facts about it, that's why you "believe" in God, it's a belief. And try reading a newspaper sometime, your God very apparently doesn't care for everyone, or, in fact, much of anyone.
Indeed, you can believe we "came up from shit on the ground." Does it change what you are today? I'm sorry that your ancestors embarrass you.
Quote from: Kioku on March 15, 2007, 11:16:19 PM
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 11:06:46 PM
How does believing differently than you make me a coward? You can't except the fact that Christianity has allot more facts to back it up than the theory of evolution. And how do you go across calling billions of people "weak-minded cowards"?
Until evolution becomes a scientific law after passing the scientific method I am not going to believe in it. You can post here all you want but I advise you don't attempt to insult anyone. That's not why I made this thread. And also I don't "Hide behind God" I worship him for he created everything and cares for everyone.
Or I could just beleive we came up from some shit on the ground.
I never said believing differently than me made you a coward, I said being religious did, don't try to misquote me. Religion doesn't have any facts about it, that's why you "believe" in God, it's a belief. And try reading a newspaper sometime, your God very apparently doesn't care for everyone, or, in fact, much of anyone.
Indeed, you can believe we "came up from shit on the ground." Does it change what you are today? I'm sorry that your ancestors embarrass you.
So believing in a creator makes me a coward? What do I have to fear? What am I hiding from? If you answer "the truth," I'm not afraid of something I don't believe in.
EDIT: And also the facts behind it are the hundreds of events the bible has predicted. Most are 100% accurate.
And it says in the bible that everything happens for a reason.
I agree with Irockman1 and I'm acually surprised at the way he's dealt with all the critisism that's being thrown at him. He's not flaming thw way he would've in the past. ::) I'm actually beginning to respect him now.
But the way some of the other people in here are acting, calling other people names for believing something different then they do, isn't that going a bit too far? o.O
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 11:20:47 PM
So believing in a creator makes me a coward? What do I have to fear? What am I hiding from? If you answer "the truth," I'm not afraid of something I don't believe in.
Whenever something bad happens, there's always a Christian on hand to say "It's God's will".
You don't believe in "the truth"? I got this definition from dictionary.com: "truth [trooth]: a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle". So your big selling point is "I don't believe in what's real?" Well, if you believe in God, it's not exactly a great mental feat to put those two thoughts together
wow i've already lost 3 rep just stating my opinion here...lesson learned, never state ur opinion...
this topic seems to be getting very off topic, the topic being he wanted reasons why you wouldn't believe in the bible, not another debate on religion. i already gave my reasons...
Quote from: Kioku on March 15, 2007, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 11:20:47 PM
So believing in a creator makes me a coward? What do I have to fear? What am I hiding from? If you answer "the truth," I'm not afraid of something I don't believe in.
Whenever something bad happens, there's always a Christian on hand to say "It's God's will".
You don't believe in "the truth"? I got this definition from dictionary.com: "truth [trooth]: a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle". So your big selling point is "I don't believe in what's real?" Well, if you believe in God, it's not exactly a great mental feat to put those two thoughts together
Because everything is God's will. Everything that happens is God's will. If my mother died today it's still God's will, but the fact that it is doesn't make me feel any better. So you have no point.
And if you were to say "the truth" you would probably be referring to your belief which is the atheist view of the world.
Quote from: darkelementwars on March 15, 2007, 11:33:08 PM
wow i've already lost 3 rep just stating my opinion here...lesson learned, never state ur opinion...
this topic seems to be getting very off topic, the topic being he wanted reasons why you wouldn't believe in the bible, not another debate on religion. i already gave my reasons...
Sorry you've lost rep in here. O_o
I'll +rep you because you just stated your point and didn't call anyone names.
Ah, I have to admit, I did kinda run away with the religion debate instead of the bible, that's my bad.
Okay, to the bible: Regardless if God is real or not, the Bible was written by humans. It's not even that hard to find older copies of the bible that lack the stories modern ones do, and you can find ones with the more-or-less "foot notes" of stories that were added. It runs contrary to the bible being "God's word"
Quote from: Kioku on March 15, 2007, 11:38:06 PM
Ah, I have to admit, I did kinda run away with the religion debate instead of the bible, that's my bad.
Okay, to the bible: Regardless if God is real or not, the Bible was written by humans. It's not even that hard to find older copies of the bible that lack the stories modern ones do, and you can find ones with the more-or-less "foot notes" of stories that were added. It runs contrary to the bible being "God's word"
Because they had received the information to write the bible from God through visions.
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 11:40:35 PM
Because they had received the information to write the bible from God through visions.
But you're not taking God's word for that, you're taking the word of whoever wrote it. Are you to say that priests don't lie?
By the way, I'm leaving now, so if you'd be so kind as to just argue with yourself for awhile, it'd be much appreciated
Quote from: Kioku on March 15, 2007, 11:45:39 PM
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 11:40:35 PM
Because they had received the information to write the bible from God through visions.
But you're not taking God's word for that, you're taking the word of whoever wrote it. Are you to say that priests don't lie?
By the way, I'm leaving now, so if you'd be so kind as to just argue with yourself for awhile, it'd be much appreciated
But the chances of them accurately predicting hundreds of prophecies which are more accurate than any other religion are very very slim. Not even people who are completely more intelligent than them, with the facts we know today could predict events like that.
And, this isn't an argument. This is a debate.
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 11:40:35 PM
Quote from: Kioku on March 15, 2007, 11:38:06 PM
Ah, I have to admit, I did kinda run away with the religion debate instead of the bible, that's my bad.
Okay, to the bible: Regardless if God is real or not, the Bible was written by humans. It's not even that hard to find older copies of the bible that lack the stories modern ones do, and you can find ones with the more-or-less "foot notes" of stories that were added. It runs contrary to the bible being "God's word"
Because they had received the information to write the bible from God through visions.
and whats to stop me from just writing the first thing that comes to my mind and claiming i wrote it through visions. ur taking alot just on the words of these "prophets"
and the bible used today isnt even the original. this is a bible rewritten under the orders of king james (hence the king james version) and incorporated some of his biased views on things like homosexuality.
Quote from: darkelementwars on March 15, 2007, 11:54:29 PM
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 11:40:35 PM
Quote from: Kioku on March 15, 2007, 11:38:06 PM
Ah, I have to admit, I did kinda run away with the religion debate instead of the bible, that's my bad.
Okay, to the bible: Regardless if God is real or not, the Bible was written by humans. It's not even that hard to find older copies of the bible that lack the stories modern ones do, and you can find ones with the more-or-less "foot notes" of stories that were added. It runs contrary to the bible being "God's word"
Because they had received the information to write the bible from God through visions.
and whats to stop me from just writing the first thing that comes to my mind and claiming i wrote it through visions. ur taking alot just on the words of these "prophets"
and the bible used today isnt even the original. this is a bible rewritten under the orders of king james (hence the king james version) and incorporated some of his biased views on things like homosexuality.
Yet the prophecies have never been edited or changed.
Quote from: darkelementwars on March 15, 2007, 11:54:29 PM
and the bible used today isnt even the original. this is a bible rewritten
Then go learn greek and hebrew so you can read the original. :hurr:
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 11:58:18 PM
Quote from: darkelementwars on March 15, 2007, 11:54:29 PM
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 11:40:35 PM
Quote from: Kioku on March 15, 2007, 11:38:06 PM
Ah, I have to admit, I did kinda run away with the religion debate instead of the bible, that's my bad.
Okay, to the bible: Regardless if God is real or not, the Bible was written by humans. It's not even that hard to find older copies of the bible that lack the stories modern ones do, and you can find ones with the more-or-less "foot notes" of stories that were added. It runs contrary to the bible being "God's word"
Because they had received the information to write the bible from God through visions.
and whats to stop me from just writing the first thing that comes to my mind and claiming i wrote it through visions. ur taking alot just on the words of these "prophets"
and the bible used today isnt even the original. this is a bible rewritten under the orders of king james (hence the king james version) and incorporated some of his biased views on things like homosexuality.
Yet the prophecies have never been edited or changed.
unless u can read hebrew, can find and have read the original bible u cant say that with certainty. even the bible king james rewrote wasn't the original. its nearly impossible to tell for sure if the prophecies were changed.
Quote from: darkelementwars on March 16, 2007, 12:05:16 AM
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 11:58:18 PM
Quote from: darkelementwars on March 15, 2007, 11:54:29 PM
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 11:40:35 PM
Quote from: Kioku on March 15, 2007, 11:38:06 PM
Ah, I have to admit, I did kinda run away with the religion debate instead of the bible, that's my bad.
Okay, to the bible: Regardless if God is real or not, the Bible was written by humans. It's not even that hard to find older copies of the bible that lack the stories modern ones do, and you can find ones with the more-or-less "foot notes" of stories that were added. It runs contrary to the bible being "God's word"
Because they had received the information to write the bible from God through visions.
and whats to stop me from just writing the first thing that comes to my mind and claiming i wrote it through visions. ur taking alot just on the words of these "prophets"
and the bible used today isnt even the original. this is a bible rewritten under the orders of king james (hence the king james version) and incorporated some of his biased views on things like homosexuality.
Yet the prophecies have never been edited or changed.
unless u can read hebrew, can find and have read the original bible u cant say that with certainty. even the bible king james rewrote wasn't the original. its nearly impossible to tell for sure if the prophecies were changed.
Since you've brought it up, why not research it?
Just to know were the bible stand there has been pepeople that have tried to edit the bible and the protestant groups that research this stuff see if it contradicting and is false compared to books that come directly from God.
To add about the prophicies.
The Bible isn't vague in its prophicies, it's very specific. :/
Answer: Because it's just a book.
Quote from: arl on March 16, 2007, 01:30:13 AM
Answer: Because it's not just a book.
I fixed your typo. :)
A typo implies that there already existed a word, improperly spelled, and you altered it to be right.
What you did is add a completely new word.
:V
It is not just a book it is a record of thoughts being written down so that future generations can read the wisdom that it posses directly from God.
(my opinion) i think there is such a thing as the afterlife but i do not really believe in god so much as i believe in us evolving from something. yes there is not exact proof that we did evolve from apes besides the very simular DNA.
Quote from: cobragamer on March 16, 2007, 02:00:35 AM
It is not just a book it is a record of thoughts being written down so that future generations can read the wisdom that it posses directly from God.
god wrote the thoughts in the bible? ???
98% of the DNA between humans and chimpanzees is identical. is that not proof enough?
WHY MUST WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS?
ONE GUY BELIEVES, ONE DOESN'T.
WHY IS THIS SUCH A DIFFICULT CONCEPT?!
The bible was written by men. The bible teaches great life lessons, and has a few interesting parts. Just because the following behind it became so grand, doesn't make it sacred or anything.
Quote from: darkelementwars on March 16, 2007, 02:55:45 AM
98% of the DNA between humans and chimpanzees is identical. is that not proof enough?
DNA IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU
"It's funny how Christians think that everybody else in the world secretly knows deep down in side them that Christianity is the true faith and that they're living a lie"
I really don't get it Iroc, I can understand how you know yourself to be right, but can't you understand that other people have different beliefs to yours and that, yes, in their minds it's fully justified?
Funny how this is the religious debate you all decided to get involved in.
Even the Atheist side is spouting off BS.
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 15, 2007, 10:17:42 PM
Most of you here aren't religious and don't believe in what the Holy Bible says. If you would actually read the bible you would know about all of the fulfilled prophecies.
10 being fulfilled today (http://www.100prophecies.org/page1.htm)
10 fulfilled recently (http://www.100prophecies.org/page2.htm)
10 fulfilled in 1948 (http://www.100prophecies.org/page3.htm)
10 fulfilled in 1900s (http://www.100prophecies.org/page4.htm)
10 fulfilled before 1900 (http://www.100prophecies.org/page5.htm)
10 fulfilled by Jesus (http://www.100prophecies.org/page6.htm)
10 more fulfilled by Jesus (http://www.100prophecies.org/page7.htm)
10 fulfilled long ago (http://www.100prophecies.org/page8.htm)
10 more fulfilled long ago (http://www.100prophecies.org/page10.htm)
That's allot of events the bible has accurately predicted thousands of years ago. So is this not proof enough to believe in God and Jesus Christ? Are you willing to go with the scientific answer to life? Are you going to take a chance and not believe in a religion which it's accurately predicted all of these fulfilled prosthesis? How do you explain it? If you still don't believe you should start fearing the end (http://www.100prophecies.org/page9.htm).
Discuss.
The Bible didn't predict them. The writers of the Bible did. And I can't believe in everything that the Bible says, simply because it's full of fables and misinterpratations from people who either wanted to "correct" society or found supernatural explanations to many events.
Even so, I DO believe in God, and in Jesus. I don't believe in a book that was written by men, and less if some of these men were clerics from the ancient times. Popes were total liars who just wanted to be powerful and used God's name to fulfull their personal goals.
Quote from: Arwym on March 16, 2007, 02:04:23 PM
The Bible didn't predict them. The writers of the Bible did. And I can't believe in everything that the Bible says, simply because it's full of fables and misinterpratations from people who either wanted to "correct" society or found supernatural explanations to many events.
Even so, I DO believe in God, and in Jesus. I don't believe in a book that was written by men, and less if some of these men were clerics from the ancient times. Popes were total liars who just wanted to be powerful and used God's name to fulfull their personal goals.
I agree. People should not take the Bible literally or what is written there, but what it represents, what it actually means.
Quote from: Deliciously_Saucy on March 16, 2007, 08:52:01 AM
I really don't get it Iroc, I can understand how you know yourself to be right, but can't you understand that other people have different beliefs to yours and that, yes, in their minds it's fully justified?
My god, I actually agree with you for once.
Quote from: arl on March 16, 2007, 03:58:34 PM
Quote from: Deliciously_Saucy on March 16, 2007, 08:52:01 AM
I really don't get it Iroc, I can understand how you know yourself to be right, but can't you understand that other people have different beliefs to yours and that, yes, in their minds it's fully justified?
My god, I actually agree with you for once.
I must've skimmed that part somehow. O_o Yeah, I agree with that as well.
I read the Bible when I need to find advice. So I go to the Proverbs, and such books. I just look for a path, when I am lost. And the Bible can be very comforting. Sometimes, when I open the book expecting to find some relief, the same page in which I randomly opened the book possesses that which I was looking for. I don't know how, but it happens. More than once.
We should make it a rule that you cannot just discredit something unless you have proof or a reason why because than there is nothing to back you up and as far as we know( refering to the atheists mostly but both sides do it as well) it could be a pack of lies and we have nothing to read to make sure that info is correct.
It's called debate.
Quote from: Blizzard on March 16, 2007, 08:43:27 PM
It's called debate.
No, you can't debate without an arguement. ;)
And even if the Bible was written by men, 100's of incredibly detailed prophecies came true! Is that not enough to prove that it is divinely inspired?
well although very unlikely but they could be from the future and they really didnt predict anything but instead took it from history.im kinda in the middle of this i do believe but i scienticfic stuff makes since too... but if you think about it god coulda made dinosaurs and stuff so really there is no way to be sure witch is actually true.
In the words of the famous Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?"
Might be slightly off-topic, but I want to link another thread from a forum for a different game in relevance to this debate.
http://www.sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1198669
It has some interesting stuff in it. For one, events are lining up to show that something significant MIGHT happen in 2010 in regards to the End of Times. It is only 53 posts, although some are quite long, so you guys should check it out.
Quote from: Holkeye on March 16, 2007, 11:39:37 PM
In the words of the famous Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?"
S-S-S-SUPER STANDING OVATION
Quote from: InvaderZim on March 16, 2007, 11:51:13 PM
Might be slightly off-topic, but I want to link another thread from a forum for a different game in relevance to this debate.
http://www.sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1198669
It has some interesting stuff in it. For one, events are lining up to show that something significant MIGHT happen in 2010 in regards to the End of Times. It is only 53 posts, although some are quite long, so you guys should check it out.
I just read it. So far I can only say:
HAHAHAHA! People are so afraid of death! xD
And I hate that RFID technology already if it's gonna do that what is said there. !_!
OH SHIT, WE'RE ALL DEAD!
EDIT:
I seriously doubt Christians will be hunted and killed. I mean one third of the world if believing in Jesus. =/
Most of these SUPAR DETAILED PROPHECIES seem to be pretty standard. Jewish religion focuses on the hardships of the present while predicting a glorious future (a fruitful, populous Israel), so the prophecies regarding Israel's future are hardly mind-blowing, especially when you consider the fact that Israelis are all familiar with Jewish prophecy and would work to fulfill them. Also, a lot of these prophecies are vague and rely on Christian interpretation to be true.
Some of the weakest prophecies on those lists concern the defeat of the Edomites and the destruction of Tyre. The prophecies about the Edomites are obvious revenge fantasies that came true 400 years later. Almost any prophecy will come true after hundreds of years, especially prophecies that predict the destruction of cities. Tyre is an important city in a region that has a lot of wars, so its destruction is not a surprise. Tyre was destroyed, yes, but by Alexander, not Nebuchadnezzar. Just because it was destroyed eventually does not mean the prophecy was fulfilled. Their claims regarding the rebuilding of Tyre are incredibly weaksauce. It wasn't rebuilt by Phoenicians, so it doesn't count!
I've has a lot of fun reading this site (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theodore_drange/bible.html), which lists a lot of failed prophecies and contradictions. My favorite is this one:
"According to Jon 3:4, Nineveh will be overthrown in 40 days, but then God changed his mind about having Nineveh overthrown. (See Jon 3:10.)"
I have a few prophecies:
~Posts about religion on the RMRK forums will continue indefinately, with no person being wrong. As far as beliefs go, you are always right to yourself.
~cobragamer will naturally revert every topic he posts in to be about the bible.
~Ruhani will lock his own post, stating that everyone is ignorant when in reality, his mind is just too closed to entertain anyone else's opinion.
~This topic will devolve into a pissing contest, as every other eventually does.
~In about 20 minutes, thousands of unborn children will meet a grizzly fate, when I flush a piece of kleenex down the toilet.
~Tsunokiette will continue to back cobragamer up no matter what~
You forgot one.
I think it's funny how they ignore your good facts.
Corection it was not a prophesy it was a warning and according to the next few chapter ninevah believed so why can't you
The last three posts made no sense whatsoever.
Quote from: Saladin on March 19, 2007, 09:08:15 PM
The last three posts made no sense whatsoever.
I edited Holkeye's post to include -
Quote~Tsunokiette will continue to back cobragamer up no matter what~
Irockman was saying it's funny that everyone ignores fact.
Cobragamer was refering to this -
http://rmrk.net/index.php/topic,13885.msg178894.html#msg178894
Or more specifically, this -
Quote"According to Jon 3:4, Nineveh will be overthrown in 40 days, but then God changed his mind about having Nineveh overthrown. (See Jon 3:10.)"
The Bible cannot be proven as fact, so no one is ignoring anything, except those of you who keep throwing out Bible verses.
Quote from: HaloOfTheSun on March 19, 2007, 09:21:38 PM
The Bible cannot be proven as fact, so no one is ignoring anything, except those of you who keep throwing out Bible verses.
Wrong. Sorry, but that's just wrong.
Archaelogists said the Bible was false because it mentioned a mine with ore they didn't believe existed in the Middle East. Then they found it. :/
Quote from: HaloOfTheSun on March 19, 2007, 09:21:38 PM
keep throwing out Bible verses.
[Ezekiel 25:17]
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!"
Quote from: Tsunokiette on March 19, 2007, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: HaloOfTheSun on March 19, 2007, 09:21:38 PM
The Bible cannot be proven as fact, so no one is ignoring anything, except those of you who keep throwing out Bible verses.
Wrong. Sorry, but that's just wrong.
Archaelogists said the Bible was false because it mentioned a mine with ore they didn't believe existed in the Middle East. Then they found it. :/
lol, and that proves what? That Jesus existed? That there is a God? Because there was ONE thing in the Bible that was later proved true? Just because one place that was mentioned in the Bible was found to have existed, that doesn't mean anything. That's like saying since there are presents underneath my tree Christmas morning, then Santa must exist, because they weren't there when I went to bed.
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Does anything really make sense? Explain how anything was formed in the first place. Explain where time and space comes from. There are some thing that don't have a Scientific explanation.
"I don't understand it. God must have made it." I love the logic, it's simple
I think religious people like yourself are weak-minded cowards, if you want an honest opinion. You can't accept the world as it is, so you need to make up a God to hide behind
How does believing differently than you make me a coward? You can't except the fact that Christianity has allot more facts to back it up than the theory of evolution. And how do you go across calling billions of people "weak-minded cowards"?
Until evolution becomes a scientific law after passing the scientific method I am not going to believe in it. You can post here all you want but I advise you don't attempt to insult anyone. That's not why I made this thread. And also I don't "Hide behind God" I worship him for he created everything and cares for everyone.
Or I could just beleive we came up from some shit on the ground.
Theroy of Evolution was disproved years ago man.......
How exactly was the THEORY of evolution disproved? I think it is much more likely than "god made the world 6000 years ago, all the animals were on it at the same time". Carbon dating, anyone?
Quote from: Masturbarney on March 20, 2007, 02:04:32 AM
How exactly was the THEORY of evolution disproved? I think it is much more likely than "god made the world 6000 years ago, all the animals were on it at the same time". Carbon dating, anyone?
I meant with the thing that we came from monkeys.
That was diproved.
I'm sorry, I've waited long enough and I think its about time someone spoke up.
GET A FUCKING DICTIONARY
Okay then. Let's say evolution is true.
Explain how complex systems emerged at the same time. If evolution is small changes over time, how is it that the Giraffe's neck got longer?
(Cobra's gonna laugh at this -- discussion in class)
The Giraffe's neck has special systems that without which the Giraffe's head would explode when it bent down. If the systems formed before the neck became longer, the the girraffe would die from blood depravation everytime it bent down.
Also Holkeye, I didn't edit what YOU wrote, I added a line that was not offensive at all. In a joking manner (even though what I said is true).
Also, (excuse my language please), never say that shit about me again. You can say whatever you want about me, but never say something as disgraceful as that again. "jesus fellating cross-up-the-ass bullshit preacher" -- I oughta kick your ass for saying something like that. You're lucky this is over the internet.
And what the heck does a dictionary have to do with anything? In another topic (perhaps this one) someone said that 'microevolution' was the wrong word for me to have used. I checked later and they were wrong.
There is nothing wrong with microevolution, SMALL changes within a species. But inter-species evolution DOES NOT EXIST. WE DID NOT COME FROM SHIT FLINGING MONKEYS.
(once again, I apologize for my language)
QuoteAlso, (excuse my language please), never say that shit about me again. You can say whatever you want about me, but never say something as disgraceful as that again. "jesus fellating cross-up-the-ass bullshit preacher" -- I oughta kick your ass for saying something like that. You're lucky this is over the internet.
JESUS SAYS: TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.
Also don't curse, you dirty sinner.
Quote from: HaloOfTheSun on March 19, 2007, 11:21:12 PMlol, and that proves what? That Jesus existed? That there is a God? Because there was ONE thing in the Bible that was later proved true? Just because one place that was mentioned in the Bible was found to have existed, that doesn't mean anything. That's like saying since there are presents underneath my tree Christmas morning, then Santa must exist, because they weren't there when I went to bed.
Interesting how people of that location and time period knew these things, ain't it?
Here are my 10 reasons for not following the bible.
1. If God made us in his image why are we not invisable ?
2. If he made the world and the stars then the next day made light, that means he worked blind.
3. If Adam and Eve had two sons, so for use to continue that means Eve must have shagged them.
4. In the dawn of time man walked the Earth in the bible, yet dinosaurs had been here much longer.
5. Jesus grew up in Israel how comes Israelies see him as a profit not the son of God ?
6. Why would Jesus turn water into wine if in most religions drinking achole is unholy ?
7. Jesus had a child and a misses and they fled to France, why does the bible miss this point out ?
8. Most of the bible are blown up stories by people besotted with Jesus, why should we follow it ?
9. The Bible has no real time line, most of it is a right jumble and it's been re-written too many times.
10. Just cuz it's called the Gospel doesn't mean it's true.
The Bible sucks arse... Infact the only thing I would use it's pages for is just that, wiping my Butt !!!
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keep throwing out Bible verses.
[Ezekiel 25:17]
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!"
LOL pulp fiction
and also wasnt the bible made like 200 years after theevent actully happend so explain that.
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Quote from: HaloOfTheSun on March 19, 2007, 09:21:38 PM
keep throwing out Bible verses.
[Ezekiel 25:17]
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!"
LOL pulp fiction
and also wasnt the bible made like 200 years after theevent actully happend so explain that.
The Bible wasn't written 200 years before the events happened. O_o
The Old Testament was written throughout Israel's history, and the New Testament was written almost directly after the events happened.
@gonorrhoea - That has to do with physical abuse, and the Bible also says that we should protect our testimony. I realize cursing is a sin, but in essence, who made those bad words? God or man? I've already repented, but you can keep saying what you want about me.
Quote from: landofshadows on March 20, 2007, 09:42:35 AM
Here are my 10 reasons for not following the bible.
1. If God made us in his image why are we not invisable ?
2. If he made the world and the stars then the next day made light, that means he worked blind.
3. If Adam and Eve had two sons, so for use to continue that means Eve must have shagged them.
4. In the dawn of time man walked the Earth in the bible, yet dinosaurs had been here much longer.
5. Jesus grew up in Israel how comes Israelies see him as a profit not the son of God ?
6. Why would Jesus turn water into wine if in most religions drinking achole is unholy ?
7. Jesus had a child and a misses and they fled to France, why does the bible miss this point out ?
8. Most of the bible are blown up stories by people besotted with Jesus, why should we follow it ?
9. The Bible has no real time line, most of it is a right jumble and it's been re-written too many times.
10. Just cuz it's called the Gospel doesn't mean it's true.
The Bible sucks arse... Infact the only thing I would use it's pages for is just that, wiping my Butt !!!
1. It's referring to our minds, not our physical shape.
2. You're an idiot.
3. Yes, it's called incest.
4. According to the bible, people and dinosaurs lived at the same time, they are referred to as Behemoth.
5. The Israelites are the Jews, not the Muslims, and the Jews see Jesus as a good-for-nothing troublemaker.
6. Because Jesus liked wine, duh.
7. Because 'The Da'Vinci Code' is not factual litterature.
8. For the hell of it.
9. Maybe in relevance to the history of everything, time is not a linear process.
10. Just cuz it's called Science doesn't mean it's true.
Quote from: Tsunokiette on March 20, 2007, 03:10:15 AM
Also Holkeye, I didn't edit what YOU wrote, I added a line that was not offensive at all. In a joking manner (even though what I said is true).
Also, (excuse my language please), never say that shit about me again. You can say whatever you want about me, but never say something as disgraceful as that again. "jesus fellating cross-up-the-ass bullshit preacher" -- I oughta kick your ass for saying something like that. You're lucky this is over the internet.
Semantics. Don't add edits to my posts.
Also, please don't threaten me. Its embarassing for you.
Cool it ;_;
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Quote from: landofshadows on March 20, 2007, 09:42:35 AM
Here are my 10 reasons for not following the bible.
1. If God made us in his image why are we not invisable ?
2. If he made the world and the stars then the next day made light, that means he worked blind.
3. If Adam and Eve had two sons, so for use to continue that means Eve must have shagged them.
4. In the dawn of time man walked the Earth in the bible, yet dinosaurs had been here much longer.
5. Jesus grew up in Israel how comes Israelies see him as a profit not the son of God ?
6. Why would Jesus turn water into wine if in most religions drinking achole is unholy ?
7. Jesus had a child and a misses and they fled to France, why does the bible miss this point out ?
8. Most of the bible are blown up stories by people besotted with Jesus, why should we follow it ?
9. The Bible has no real time line, most of it is a right jumble and it's been re-written too many times.
10. Just cuz it's called the Gospel doesn't mean it's true.
The Bible sucks arse... Infact the only thing I would use it's pages for is just that, wiping my Butt !!!
1. It's referring to our minds, not our physical shape.
2. You're an idiot.
3. Yes, it's called incest.
4. According to the bible, people and dinosaurs lived at the same time, they are referred to as Behemoth.
5. The Israelites are the Jews, not the Muslims, and the Jews see Jesus as a good-for-nothing troublemaker.
6. Because Jesus liked wine, duh.
7. Because 'The Da'Vinci Code' is not factual litterature.
8. For the hell of it.
9. Maybe in relevance to the history of everything, time is not a linear process.
10. Just cuz it's called Science doesn't mean it's true.
1. Correct.
2. No, you are by calling him. @LoS: God is not material, he doesn't need light to see.
3. No, it's called metaphor. In Hebrew "Adam" means "men" and "Eve" means "mothers", although I'm not exactly sure about the second one. I only know it's plural.
4. Dawn of time isn't the beginning of time itself, but of the "time of humans".
5. Correct.
6. No, because wine is used in ceremonies, etc. showing it's significance.
7. Correct. (Suddenly people who don't believe in Jesus are claiming him to actually have existed? How comes, people tend to change their mind so quickly? ::))
8. For their "moralic" meaning.
9. And besides the Old Testament was written over a thousand years...
10. Pwnt.
@LoS: Proves your little understanding and knowledge of Christianty and its teachings.
Quote5. The Israelites are the Jews, not the Muslims, and the Jews see Jesus as a good-for-nothing troublemaker.
I never said any thing about Muslims...??
Any way, Jesus is dubbed King of the Jews or some thing or Lord... But they don't really see him in the same light as Christians, that's my point.
Here I will expand on my points:-
1. If God made us in his image why are we not invisable ?Right so God looks Human... Why would he need arms hands or feet ? He doesn't walk any place or hold things, he is not matter, he is all around us, and that's written in the Bible so thats on heck of a contridiction.
2. If he made the world and the stars then the next day made light, that means he worked blind.So why did he bother making light if he can see fine without why not just make our vision like his own ?
3. If Adam and Eve had two sons, so for use to continue that means Eve must have shagged them.In the bible it lists sleeping with family as wrong... Another contridiction.
4. In the dawn of time man walked the Earth in the bible, yet dinosaurs had been here much longer.Some religions even go as far as saying the dinosaurs never exsisted.
6. Why would Jesus turn water into wine if in most religions drinking achole is unholy ?My mate is a Moreman or some thing like that, he can't go near a pub or drink Coke.
7. Jesus had a child and a misses and they fled to France, why does the bible miss this point out ?I am not reffering to the Divinchi code... There is a festival held by a river in France to celebrate the arrival or Jesus and his child to their shores.
8. Most of the bible are blown up stories by people besotted with Jesus, why should we follow it ?Hitlers men would have preached how good Hitler was, but they would have been wrong.
9. The Bible has no real time line, most of it is a right jumble and it's been re-written too many times.It's had more drafts done than any other book on Earth, and churches keep adapting it to suite the times, like the New testiment now God is a seperate enterty to the Devil... I wonder when the New New Testiment is due for release, when Jesus gets re-written a Gay, and states all priests should touch kids ?
10. Just cuz it's called the Gospel doesn't mean it's true.It's boldness calling the Bible Gospel offends me... Gospel means Truth or Good News... Or the Good Truth.
__________________MY Final Word's____________________How can you honestly not believe in what the bible says?... How can you honestly believe in what the bible says?
The question either way has just a strong an argueement... But to rest my case they are more none Christians than there are Christians so if it was put to a vote you would be buggered.
QuoteI never said any thing about Muslims...??
Yes you did
Quote5. Jesus grew up in Israel how comes Israelies see him as a profit not the son of God ?
Assuming that you mean Prophet and not Profit.
The Israelities see Jesus as an idiot, the Muslims see Jesus as one of the five great prophets of Islam.
Nuh (Noah)
Ibrahim (Abraham)
Musa (Moses)
Isa (Jesus)
Muhammad
QuoteRight so God looks Human
Again, it doesn't refer to our physical form, it refers to our mind as it is different from the animals.
We are self aware and are not part of the natural laws/food chain.
QuoteMy mate is a Moreman or some thing like that, he can't go near a pub or drink Coke
Well that's because Mormons are idiots.
QuoteI meant with the thing that we came from monkeys.
That was diproved.
Yes, absolutely correct. That propaganda that Christians came up with to discredit Science in saying that it says we come from "monkeys" was indeed proven to be a lie. Thank you.
@MONKEY QUOTERS:
Do some fucking research!QuoteSemantics. Don't add edits to my posts.
Also, please don't threaten me. Its embarassing for you.
Shouldn't of edited his post in that way Tusno. Threat doesn't come of well either, your a mod, you should behave better then others to set an example.
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@gonorrhoea - That has to do with physical abuse, and the Bible also says that we should protect our testimony. I realize cursing is a sin, but in essence, who made those bad words? God or man? I've already repented, but you can keep saying what you want about me.
Then perhaps you would like to go up on speech next mass and say "fuck" on the microphone to show that it isn't a sin of God. Wouldn't say it there? Then unless you are living some form of lie, you shouldn't say it here either.
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I'm sure you'll find a way, I'm getting worried now when my rep has gone up 3 whole points!! :'(
Pretty soon I won't be entitled to my reward anymore.
Actually that was me with the rep. All me.
QuoteCelebrating Christmas is celebrating "The Birth of Jesus". Why should somebody who doesn't believe in Jesus be allowed to celebrate it?!
Yeah and why should people be able to say things that go against their governments!?! Zig Hail brother!!!
QuoteHow can you even say of yourself to be Atheist, but you celebrate the second greatest Christians' holiday?!
Just to put it clear; I don't, I refuse to because I am making a clear stance, but many Atheists before they turned where raised in a family that celebrated Christmas, it's a symbolic thing that brings togetherness. Are you really saying that they should be kicked out of a family event because they go another way..?
If Christians do feel this way then I really could see them all being hunted down...
QuoteIn addition, our current calendar is about five years off. It's kind of weird to think that this is actually 2012.
I think it's about time we stop going by BC/AD and go to the non-religious, actual measurement. I forget what it's called, I've had a mental blank...
QuoteIt is not rules we follow sex before marriage God commands us and therefore we obey it. Plus, it is comepletely logical to follow it.
Lol, yeah, completely? K.
QuoteAll rock music is devil music, therefore Christian Rock comes from the devil
It was your church saying that, about the rock music being from the devil... Then a few years when they realised they weren't winning their war against it, they started making it! Ha!
QuoteHe says we're to try to keep from thinking impure thoughts. It's not possible for any person to not sin at any point in their life, but we're given the ability to resist any sin that tempts us. (When Saved)
I was saved =)
QuoteAlso, when we're saved we WANT to please God, THAT is the logical reasoning behind not sinning -- or attempting not to sin.
Lol, I love your idea of logic! Sense when has unfounded reasoning been considered logical? It's funny, when with all things on this Earth people require evidence before they believe in something we all decided to just let it slide with the idea of god.
QuoteLol.
You act as if the Bible is an idiotic device used by idiots to idiotify every intelligant person in the world.
idiotise*. Well, that's certainly what I see it doing.
Quotebecuase then you're just arguing about stuff nobody will be able to ever prove.
My main reason for saying it's impossible to have a civil debate with religious types...
QuoteBible does have some true facts. Treating elders, parents, and others is a good to society. The bible, koran, bhavagath githa, all have there share of scientific claims, but teach us how to get along with each other and to accept that we are all one. Does that seem false to you?
How about you post up
all of the things these religions teach, like killing homosexuals for one. Yeah, that seems false to me.
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Pretty much everything is a sin. =/ The rules are not being changed, it just becomes almost impossible to live a normal lives these days without even the slightest of sin. That's why there is confession: To regret your sins and get purified.
Oh!! So it's not that I
don't molest children, it's that I feel bad for it then ask for forgiveness afterwards?
QuoteHow can you honestly believe in what the bible says?
^.~
QuoteWell that's because Mormons are idiots.
Most people that adopt a faith or religion that worships an idel of any kind are Idiots (In my opinion)
Jews also regards Jesus as a Prophet, nothing more:- http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/maccoby.htm
So why do we... In a sense your backing my point, forget the fact Muslims see Jesus as a prophet (My mistake for failing on what you was picking up on)
All I am trying to say is nobody would know Jesus (The Jew) better than his own people... So I go with what they say, he was a trouble maker and at best a prophet, not the son of God...
Quote7. Correct. (Suddenly people who don't believe in Jesus are claiming him to actually have existed? How comes, people tend to change their mind so quickly? )
I think Jesus did exsist (I have never said he did not walk the Earth, I don't think he was any thing special) I think he was a Drug dealer and I have many a reason to back that claim... He was an average guy with delusions of grandeur... All that followed him tripped their nuts off and saw him doing amazing things, they only hung with him for free handouts. And every knows he had healing hands, I bet he rubbed Herbs into them and put chemicals into people blood streams, every one knows the medicinal treatments effects that Cannabis can have.
How can you honestly believe in what the bible says?
Jesus had spiritual healing powers because he is God/trinity/three in one. He had the ability to do other things than just to heal he calmed a storm. He turned water into wine and satan mentions about him being able to turn rocks into bread. Also this is starting to sound not like a bible discussion but rather than the Jesus man or myth section.
I do not believe in anything the byble says.. first someone has to explain where all those story's came from they are nuts !
I dont think it would be possible to have another thread about religion now; this must be no. 1,000,000,000,000,000...
Seriously <_<
Made You Look Again! I pwn YOU!
EDIT: Some of the stories happened but where just exagerated the 500 years from the event to when the bible was written.
Many are not stories the only stories are the parables that Jesus and others said the rest is real history and can be proven from other recources than the bible
Wow, that is totally incredible! I'll convert right away!
Sorry cobragamer, but every post you make reeks of childhood indoctrination. Also, this is Intelligent Debate. Maybe you could cut back on the bibe bashing and open a dictionary more often. It'd help you make well written and more ~intelligent~ posts. While not all posts in here might come across as that, this is a start.
Closed like a nun's legs.
Quote from: Tsunokiette on March 20, 2007, 03:10:15 AM
Okay then. Let's say evolution is true.
Explain how complex systems emerged at the same time. If evolution is small changes over time, how is it that the Giraffe's neck got longer?
(Cobra's gonna laugh at this -- discussion in class)
The Giraffe's neck has special systems that without which the Giraffe's head would explode when it bent down. If the systems formed before the neck became longer, the the girraffe would die from blood depravation everytime it bent down.
And what the heck does a dictionary have to do with anything? In another topic (perhaps this one) someone said that 'microevolution' was the wrong word for me to have used. I checked later and they were wrong.
There is nothing wrong with microevolution, SMALL changes within a species. But inter-species evolution DOES NOT EXIST. WE DID NOT COME FROM POOP FLINGING MONKEYS.
I never got a reply to this...
*posts in a locked topic*
Quote from: Deliciously_Saucy on March 20, 2007, 03:22:20 PM
QuoteHow can you even say of yourself to be Atheist, but you celebrate the second greatest Christians' holiday?!
Just to put it clear; I don't, I refuse to because I am making a clear stance, but many Atheists before they turned where raised in a family that celebrated Christmas, it's a symbolic thing that brings togetherness. Are you really saying that they should be kicked out of a family event because they go another way..?
If Christians do feel this way then I really could see them all being hunted down...
Then they shouldn't claim to be Atheists if they celebrate Christmas. Nobody said they should be kicked out, they should tell their families "No, I don't believe in this, I'm not celebrating.". Just like you did/do.
Quote from: Deliciously_Saucy on March 20, 2007, 03:22:20 PM
How about you post up all of the things these religions teach, like killing homosexuals for one. Yeah, that seems false to me.
Shows how little understanding you have of the Bible if you really think this wasn't "added" during the "first translation". Everybody knows that king hated homosexuals.
Quote from: Deliciously_Saucy on March 20, 2007, 03:22:20 PM
QuoteHow can you honestly believe in what the bible says?
^.~
I don't. I believe in what the Bible teaches. *points to the part above* (~_^)d
And good somebody has locked this already. I wouldn't have posted, but just locked it otherwise.