Valve announces Steam Greenlight

Doesn't matter. I still stand by my original post.

You're a really reasonable and open minded individual.

Didn't you leave?

But seriously, I'm open-minded, I just know a bad idea when I hear one. That's just what the RM community needs: A precedent to try and charge money for shitty games. I obviously know that not all games made in RM are shit, but if an RM game gets on steam, that means that a lot of people are going to get the bright idea to make their own monetized game. This means more people here like you-know-who. And it isn't just limited to RM. There are plenty of shitty non-RM games on steam. Look at Revelations 2012.

Yeah, I leave every year.

If anything, more commercial RPG Maker games will only continue to raise the bar for people serious about game development in RPG Maker. If the people who make shitty games decide to charge money for them, they won't get played and you probably won't even be aware of their existence. The cream usually rises to the top, or at the very least the shit usually sinks to the bottom.  A bad game developer who charges money for their games is no more annoying than one who doesn't, so if we get any of those people on RMRK, they won't be any different than the ones we already get, and I haven't noticed any problems with annoying RPG Maker users joining. Also, I don't know who you-know-who is.

Leaving is for cool people. Get on my level, plebs.

No offense, Holk, but Irock does have a point. If RM games are allowed to be submitted at all, there will be a ton of shitty ones from ambitious idiots like whoever you-know-who is, but it's not much different from how things currently are anyway with the Steam Workshop and all. I remember that when they first introduced it for TF2, there was a million shitty submissions for either poorly made stuff or, more often the case, joke and troll images. Yet whenever I browse the workshop now, I usually see only the high quality stuff that I wish Valve would add to the game already. The good stuff will shine through while the things that should be burned with fire will be left by the wayside if not removed altogether. This will be good motivation for the serious RM users to step up to try to match the quality of non-RM games.

I agree with zylos and irock but I guess that goes without saying.  I'm going to avoid making a shitty comparison here and get back to slacking at work.

If a game is shitty it won't get support, simple enough.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=93360123&searchtext=
Greenlight has popped up gems like this one.

> it's banned

http://steamcommunity.com/games/765/announcements/detail/1317556891741839763

Valve's going to charge $100 to enter a game into Greenlight now.

That's kinda steep, but at least there will only be serious submissions now.

Yeah, I don't think it has to be $100. I doubt very many people would pay $25 to play a lame joke.

$100 seems a bit steep to me as well, but at least it's going to child's play, and you only pay it once.  It could edge out some of the more talented hobbyists, but to be honest, if you've got a game you want to put on steam, and you can't get 100 people to donate $1 or something, it's clearly not popular enough in the first place.

Is it a one time thing? I haven't looked into it a ton but I don't remember it being too clear when I first read about it. Anyway, it'd be nice if it was and just as effective, I think.

I know at least one group offered to loan or donate $100 to somebody if they really need it. I'm not sure which group it was now or how willing they will be to actually go through with that.

I think it's one time per-developer.  Like, you pay $100 to gain access, and that's it, regardless of how many games you make.  And yeah, Dejobaan is pretty fucking awesome.

It wasn't clear from the announcement, but the game submission page confirms that it's a one time fee, and you can submit as many games as you want. That's more reasonable.

To The Moon is now on Steam.

To The Moon is now on Steam.

To The Moon is now on Steam.

Not because of Greenlight

To The Moon is now on Steam.

To The Moon is now on Steam.

Not because of Greenlight

Slow and got the wrong end of the stick.

Crap. ;_;

go back to the cotton field

I'm so sorry why would I say that