Square's New Engine: Luminous

[Dwarra?]

Crystal Chronicles is good

[haloOfTheSun]

You don't even know

[Grafikal]

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i3R5lmKXWU[/yt]

[Kokowam]

Remake VI in it.

We can have particle effects on our pixels!

[haloOfTheSun]

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i3R5lmKXWU[/yt]

Oh great, now Dane Cook is stealing material from me.

[Gracie]

Crystal Chronicles is good

I liked crystal chronicles more than the main final fantasy games

[Moss.]

GET HER

[chewey]

Square doesn't want anything to do with good games anymore. They'd rather churn out FF XIII-3, Crystal Chronicle games, and half-assed MMOs.

But if they do remake something, they'll probably remake FF I for the thousandth time.

Final Fantasy VI isn't very good, though.

Also remaking any Final Fantasy is a terrible idea.

[Grafikal]

I would totally agree with you if opinions were facts.

[Holkeye]

Chewey doesn't really have opinions of his own. He just disagrees with whatever people say to try and get a reaction.

[SirJackRex]

Crystal Chronicles is good

I liked crystal chronicles more than the main final fantasy games

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I really love a few of the older final fantasy games, but none came close to exceeding the fun I had with CC and three friends. Even single-player it's quite the fun hack and slash.

[chewey]

Nah, FF6 ain't great. FF4 and 5 are definitely better and I don't even like them a whole lot. The SNES Dragon Quests are a ton better than any of the SNES Final Fantasies.

Chrono Trigger isn't that good either. Neither is Earthbound.

Just ask me if you want some facts on SNES JRPGs, I'm happy to share.

[Holkeye]

Were you even alive when the SNES came out?

[Esmeralda]

People need to stop embellishing FF6 already jesus christ

[chewey]

Were you even alive when the SNES came out?

I was born several months before it released in Australia. A few months after it released in the US. As a result, I ain't got none them nostalgia goggles.

[Holkeye]

I don't think you can embellish an object, but who is doing that anyway? I just said its my favorite one, and I'd like a remake of it.

[Holkeye]

I was born several months before it released in Australia. A few months after it released in the US. As a result, I ain't got none them nostalgia goggles.

This is true, but it also has a reverse effect, in that FFVI was the biggest RPG ever created when it came out, as was Chrono Trigger after it. To play it years later after other stuff is to lose that aspect. Its like trying to go back to a PS1 game, or even some PS2 games today for me.

[chewey]

Except I think Dragon Quest 4, 5 and 6 are fantastic and I only played them last year. I like a lot of SNES games.

[Holkeye]

Did you play the SNES versions, or the DS remakes? I'm not disagreeing with you, because I like classic stuff too, just confused as to what it is you actually enjoy in games.

[chewey]

DS version of 4 and 5 and SNES/DS version of 6. I don't think it matters really, since playing the DS version of Chrono Trigger didn't suddenly make it appealing to me. I did force myself through the really shitty 2300 A.D. stuff when I last played it, but it still never really picked up in the hours I played after that.

[Holkeye]

Sure it matters, the Dragon Quest remakes are pretty different. I mean, DQ 4 was an NES game, so there's that. And the interface was way streamlined. I guess 6 was probably the closest of the three, but ArtePiazza's engine for the DS ones was really well done. Whereas Chrono Trigger was more revamped port than DQ's remakes. But yes, the DS versions are wonderful, I agree. I actually like those ones more than I liked DQ9, even though DQ9 is a great game on its own merits. The only thing about DQ games that I don't like is the grind, which I know applies to most Jrpgs, but DQ is so rooted in tradition that there can be an awful lot of grinding at times.

[chewey]

I played the SNES version of DQ6 just fine. This was before they had released the DS port and I had just finished 5 (which is probably my second favourite JRPG, after Mother 3). I played FF4 and 6 on the PSX originally, too. I liked 4 and thought 6 was terrible. I don't think the problem is that I'm incapable of enjoying old games.

I don't think the interface was streamlined that much, really. DQ6 played mostly the same on SNES as it did on DS, anyway. The biggest difference is just the graphics, I'd say. The games look pretty sharp on the DS and pretty lousy on the SNES.

I really liked Dragon Quest 9, but I played it all the way through with Rasse. If I had played it alone, it probably wouldn't have been very good.

[Holkeye]

There was a lot more streamlining than you might think. I mean, the old DQ games didn't even have an interact button. You had to go into a menu and choose 'talk'. Also, everything was renamed in the now iconic 'pun' style that DQ is known for. Of the DS Dragon Quests, 4 is my favorite. I love how the DQ games always start out by giving you these little quests that seemingly don't intersect, but then they always start to about halfway through. They're almost like books of short stories that happen to have an overarching plot.

But FF6 just had so much there. The world was the most unique and fully realized of the FF games up to that point. Moment to moment, the story and world was just better than the rest. It did use a lame way of making itself longer, by having you reclaim all of the characters again, but it was so open. It was almost the inverse of the Dragon Quest trope, where instead of starting you out with small stories, FFVI had the game's second half do that. You didn't even have to get any of them back except for 4 of them, which I actually did a long time ago. Maybe a contrivance, but it fleshed out the characters' backstories. It was also so open to powerleveling, which may be weak for some people, but I liked that every character could learn every spell, and you could basically form the party that you wanted to have.

FFIV was good, but I'm so sick of it. I think I've played it at least 20 times on all kinds of platforms. V was really hard for me to get into. I liked the job system, but the story bored me, and it was very anti-climactic. The only other thing I remember enjoying was that the last dungeon had like 12 bosses in it.

There's an SNES remake of Dragon Quest III that uses the "engine" from the SNES DQVI that you should check out. A lot of people consider DQIII to be the best, and I don't really agree, but it is a great remake.

[chewey]

I don't really like DQ1-3 or 7. It's incredible how slowly 7 starts.

I've played a fair way into FF6 and it's never really grabbed me. Like I did with CT, I ended up forcing myself to play FF6 well after I had grown bored of it.

Anyway, it isn't like I was trying to troll you. I was just questioning what Halo said, in the way I often do.

[Gracie]

Crystal Chronicles is good

I liked crystal chronicles more than the main final fantasy games

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I really love a few of the older final fantasy games, but none came close to exceeding the fun I had with CC and three friends. Even single-player it's quite the fun hack and slash.

Its a much more preferable style of gameplay to menu based combat.
Also I agree, 4 player CC is the shit!