Apple dropping Java support

sucks for Mac users.

Not the whole article.

First Flash, now Java?

In a quiet update yesterday, Apple indicated that its support for Java on Macs isn't long for this world. Apple released an updated version of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, but warned that they won't be doing that again:

    As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of Java that is ported by Apple, and that ships with Mac OS X, is deprecated.

    This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X. The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the standard support cycles of those products.

In other words: Apple is discouraging the use of Java on its computers for the future, with the strong hint that it's going to stop supporting it altogether.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20020338-260.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=CircuitBreaker

SOON THE FUTURE WILL RUN ON THE ULTIMATE PERFECT QUICKTIME WHICH WILL HAVE NO FLAWS

Obviously. And Macs will dominate the market, and will never have any problems with them.

Quicktime doesn't even recognize tempo changes in MIDI files.

Apple is dropping MIDI file support then.

That means no more Garage Band or Logic! It's all part of Apple's diabolical plan to transition from computer sales to furniture sales.

I seriously just cannot see where Jobs is going with this thing at all.

It's so people don't give things away for free. This way, they can charge you for stupid little games.

While that sucks, we have to at least acknowledge that the guy ain't dumb as far as getting paid for every single thing he does/sells/looks at sideways. On the other hand, we live in the land of "gimmie it free", so this may be bad for sales. Hmmm.

This isn't a big deal at all.

Windows doesn't come with Java pre-installed, you have to download the SDK and Runtime from Sun.  This just means you'll have to do the same with OSX, since Apple won't be writing their own Java stuff anymore.

They aren't saying NO MORE JAVA ON OSX, they're saying "We're not writing our own Java runtime anymore"

edit: from the end of the article:

In the end, this is kind of like the Flash decision. Apple doesn't ship it, but Adobe does, and other companies besides Apple will continue to use it. Similarly, just because Apple is not supporting Java doesn't "kill" Java--when it dies is really up to Oracle.

Interesting that you only cut half the article into your post.

Interesting that I posted this forever ago, and also, that I am lazy and didn't feel like copying the whole thing.

it looks extremely biased to copy just that portion of it, ending with the extremely strong statement "Apple doesn't want Java" without taking into account the nature of java, and other operating systems entirely. 

Namkcor, wouldn't saying that OSX doesn't support java mean that after some time, it will be unable to run java altogether? I know windows has to install the SDK, but it seems to me that Mac is saying "Java will be fine without us", rather than "You can use it if you want to but you have to do all the work".

From what I know, Apple was always behind Oracle on Java. This is for the best. Oracle won't let Java vanish off the Mac platform, just like they won't let it vanish off the Windows or Linux platform.

And Apple's still contributing.

Jon over at Stencyl (StencylWorks is a Java application) was initially concerned with the deprecation, but now there's no reason to be.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html

Alright, that clears it up. So what was the point of them making this announcement at all? "Oh, users have to install it themselves now." Sooooooo what?

Exactly my point Arrow.  The topic was created on a false pretense.

Well yeah, but I mean, what's the point of Apple saying shit about this at all?

Well yeah, but I mean, what's the point of Apple saying shit about this at all?

It was a quiet update, namely something they put in a recent OS update for people who cared to read, but not a huge announcement.  They didn't actively publicize it, but they wrote it down as to keep record of it, and to notify the people who actually take the time to read update notes.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I fully 'get it' now. And I feel pretty dumb for posting in this topic...