Industrial Farming/Corn

Today we live in a society where the cheapest is best, even if that degrades our health. Everday millions of cows and chickens (they are the most popular) are treated wrongfully.

Let's start with the chickens.

When a baby chick is born from an industrial large incubator, they are then moved through a factory full of conveyor belts. Here various hard working Americans examine each chick as the chick passes through. If the chick appears defective or is just simply too small, the chick's head is placed on a little metal pad that shoot electrical volts so extreme the chick dies instantly on contact. The others that make the cut, literally, because they get their beaks cut off which stops them from plucking each other.

They go into huge containers that are sealed shut with no light, but air holes of course. They are then shipped to the countless chicken farms in America.

*The Largest Chick Industry is Tyson*

When they are delivered they are simply placed into these huge cylinder containers where the chicks barley ever see day light. The chickens are so tightly packed that they can not even move around without a great valiant effort. They feces where ever they are standing, regardless of the other chickens. They stand in their own feces for their whole life.

They are fed corn. Feeding corn isn't that bad for a chicken, until you say Industrial Corn, but that comes later.

Everyday the manager of the containers will go in and pull out all the dead ones.

It only takes these industrial chicks seven weeks to mature! An organic chicken would take about 3 months to mature. The reason for this is that these Industrial Chicks are fed the wrong foods, have been genetically modified, and honestly don't have a choice.

They are then slaughtered and processed into meat. Regardless of the diseases they carry.

Now let's move on to Cows.

Much like the Chickens, Cows are compacted tightly into a small pin. An acre can hold hundreds of cows. They are fed corn which is really bad for a cow. The corn makes them very fat and which makes a less quality meat. This corn also gives them many diseases like E-coli (to get reduce E-Coli, they have to cut a hole into the stomach of the cow and pull out all the E-Coli, they do this once while they are alive).

They are full of countless diseases that we don't even know about when we eat meat. They like the chickens just feces every where. Luckily for them though, the feces is flushed down into a huge reservoir of just cow manure. The sad part is, this cow manure can't be used as a fertilizer for the high amount of chemicals from the corn, the high amount of antibodies that are given to the cows to hide away diseases, and the E-coli. This manure flows down into the Gulf of Mexico where there are miles of dead zones because of this manure.

The cows are then processed into meat, dead or alive.

Corn is gross now. It is almost every processed food. From noodles, to meat, to candy, to donuts, to granola bars, to chips, to dips, to juices, and even non food items.

Corn is planted in fields of high nitrogen level fertilizers. Nitrogen helps speed up the process of growing.

This isn't just the same corn you would buy from the store to eat. This is Genetically Modified Organism corn. They genetically modified the corn to resist certain pesticides that kill bugs and to resist common corn disease. They use E-Coli to genetically modify corn.

Farmers use over twenty different chemicals through out the whole process of growing the corn. The idea is to get the most bushels in one acre. The average is around 170-200 now but back in the day the average was 80 - 100.

I am trying to brief because this is getting lengthy, but we eat all this food. My opinions are as follow;

1. Put a label on foods saything they contain Genetically Modified Organism substances.

2. Better living conditions for the animals.

3. and basically that this is wrong. I think these practices should be monitored better and these industries should be shut down. This grosses me out just thinking about these claims.

All these claims are real facts. I didn't tweak any thing or add any thing.

Food, Inc. (Movie)

The Omnivore's Dilemma. (Book)

King Corn. (Movie)

are my major resources.

The problem is that most of these presidents are also the  presidents in the government's food regulation agencies.

Another claim is the GMO corn seeds. There is one major company that basically owns almost all the GMO corn seeds. I won't name them, but even if one seed was blown into your crop from a truck driving by and you didn't know, they can sue the hell out of you.

This all needs to stop.

What do you/ how do you feel about all of this?

i'm not a vegetarian.

If you want to really solve the problem, you have to solve the problem of demand.  Conditions like this are created due to the high demand for Chicken, Beef, Pork, etc...  So the People who provide the meat have to get it faster, and more efficiently, so that the demand can be met.

If there's too much demand and too little supply, it becomes impossible for people to afford at all, which kills the market.  So if you want to solve the problem of these meat farms, then you have to somehow kill the demand for delicious meat.

Spoiler for LONG STUFF:

When a baby chick is born from an industrial large incubator, they are then moved through a factory full of conveyor belts. Here various hard working Americans examine each chick as the chick passes through. If the chick appears defective or is just simply too small, the chick's head is placed on a little metal pad that shoot electrical volts so extreme the chick dies instantly on contact. The others that make the cut, literally, because they get their beaks cut off which stops them from plucking each other.

It's not like they completely tortured the chicks. They made sure the ones who were "defective" died painlessly. Imo, I'd rather die on contact with something than slowly die from whatever other cause. As for the chicks that made it, yes, their beaks were cut off, but that's so they don't peck each other. Plus, if humans can have parts of their foreskin on their penis cut off at birth (for whatever reason), taking the beak off a chick is kinda the same thing. They're both really painful, but, assuming that chickens can understand and remember pain and whatnot, when they grow up, they won't remember.

They go into huge containers that are sealed shut with no light, but air holes of course. They are then shipped to the countless chicken farms in America.

*The Largest Chick Industry is Tyson*

When they are delivered they are simply placed into these huge cylinder containers where the chicks barley ever see day light. The chickens are so tightly packed that they can not even move around without a great valiant effort. They feces where ever they are standing, regardless of the other chickens. They stand in their own feces for their whole life.

They can breathe. I mean, considering that they're just chickens and for the purpose they will serve, they don't need light. They just need to live. The chickens aren't saying to each other, "dude, you're stepping in feces! ahaha!" "YOU ARE, TOO, DUDE!"

They are fed corn. Feeding corn isn't that bad for a chicken, until you say Industrial Corn, but that comes later.

Everyday the manager of the containers will go in and pull out all the dead ones.

I'll wait for the argument, and yeah, it makes sense to take out the dead ones.

It only takes these industrial chicks seven weeks to mature! An organic chicken would take about 3 months to mature. The reason for this is that these Industrial Chicks are fed the wrong foods, have been genetically modified, and honestly don't have a choice.

They are then slaughtered and processed into meat. Regardless of the diseases they carry.

Well, they may not be organic, but, like NAMKCOR said, to satisfy the great demand, they need to put out.

Now let's move on to Cows.

Much like the Chickens, Cows are compacted tightly into a small pin. An acre can hold hundreds of cows. They are fed corn which is really bad for a cow. The corn makes them very fat and which makes a less quality meat. This corn also gives them many diseases like E-coli (to get reduce E-Coli, they have to cut a hole into the stomach of the cow and pull out all the E-Coli, they do this once while they are alive).

They are full of countless diseases that we don't even know about when we eat meat. They like the chickens just feces every where. Luckily for them though, the feces is flushed down into a huge reservoir of just cow manure. The sad part is, this cow manure can't be used as a fertilizer for the high amount of chemicals from the corn, the high amount of antibodies that are given to the cows to hide away diseases, and the E-coli. This manure flows down into the Gulf of Mexico where there are miles of dead zones because of this manure.

Basically, this is a problem with diseases, if I read correctly. However, we're not dead from eating that meat so I don't know if it's just me and my apathy, but as long as my desire for meat is satisfied and I'm still alive, I'm fine.

As for the corn that makes them fat and less quality meat, that's a pretty bad argument. You're really against this thing so you'd WANT more meat and less quality, making the number of cows that are killed in the process less.

As for the manure, it might be good to reuse it as fertilizer or w/e, but hey, where do you think our poop goes?

The cows are then processed into meat, dead or alive.

Like the corn thing, this gets the most out of the cows.

Corn is gross now. It is almost every processed food. From noodles, to meat, to candy, to donuts, to granola bars, to chips, to dips, to juices, and even non food items.

Corn is planted in fields of high nitrogen level fertilizers. Nitrogen helps speed up the process of growing.

This isn't just the same corn you would buy from the store to eat. This is Genetically Modified Organism corn. They genetically modified the corn to resist certain pesticides that kill bugs and to resist common corn disease. They use E-Coli to genetically modify corn.

Farmers use over twenty different chemicals through out the whole process of growing the corn. The idea is to get the most bushels in one acre. The average is around 170-200 now but back in the day the average was 80 - 100.

Idk what to say. Isn't it good that the corn resists diseases? Kinda like what I said before about apathy, I'm still alive after eating the cow that eats this corn so I'm fine. Seems like it did more good than harm.

I am trying to brief because this is getting lengthy, but we eat all this food. My opinions are as follow;

1. Put a label on foods saything they contain Genetically Modified Organism substances.

2. Better living conditions for the animals.

3. and basically that this is wrong. I think these practices should be monitored better and these industries should be shut down. This grosses me out just thinking about these claims.

Oh, you shoulda put your opinions at the beginning.

1. Usually people will put that they DIDN'T use it to make them seem cooler and get those "YEAH, ORGANIC" people buying it. Like me, I pretty much always buy organic milk. It's not like the people said they don't use Genetically Modified Organism substances.

2. They're going to be slaughtered anyways. Might as well make them comfortable? They're not humans. If you want to get into extreme animal rights (if you're that kind of guy), we might as well give them all names, social security numbers, and homes. Oh, count them in for the next census, too. >_>

3. So monitor the processes a bit better then shut them down? >_> Choose one, sir.
EDIT: Reading that you're not a vegetarian, I assume you'd want the processes a bit better. I'll agree, but yeah.

The problem is that most of these presidents are also the  presidents in the government's food regulation agencies.

Yeah, this can be bad; corruption is bound to happen. But corruption happens everywhere (not to say we should just leave it alone).

Another claim is the GMO corn seeds. There is one major company that basically owns almost all the GMO corn seeds. I won't name them, but even if one seed was blown into your crop from a truck driving by and you didn't know, they can sue the hell out of you.

This all needs to stop.

What do you/ how do you feel about all of this?

My biggest problem is what the people rather than the process. Like I've said, the corruption with food regulation agency presidents is a problem. If they actually sue you for that (which I'd doubt), then that's a problem. However, as for the process of getting animal into food, I'm not complaining. If I'm fine with however things are being done and then I find out about what's going on, why should that change my opinion? I tend to be like that with people, too.

Now, if the whole planet's threatened due to carbon emissions or whatever, I'll start caring. Imo, there's PLENTY more problems to worry in the world about than the cleanliness and treatment of animals who are going to be slaughtered for food anyways.

i'm not a vegetarian.

Cool, lol.

FINAL THOUGHTS: I don't think "to feces" is a verb.

First step is to stop thinking about where your food comes from.

Well, they may not be organic, but, like NAMKCOR said, to satisfy the great demand, they need to put out.

I agree with you here. The demand is very high which is why they need to make so much food in such a little amount of time. America has the largest array of foods in the world and we have the most to offer. These conglomerates profits have risen significantly since the "recession" because they provide meat at a low cost. It really comes down to a slightly different version of Darwin's most favorite quote.

"Survival of the Richest."

To prove this claim, look at all the big money making businesses in the industrial farming industry. They all own organic companies, know why? As movies such Food, Inc. or books like Fatal Harvest. is released to the public, people are more aware of these health potentials to people.

Spoiler for:

These health issues may seem subtle, but look at the call backs in the recent years. We just got out of a meat one, tomatoes, peanut butters, and even spinach. During the slaughtering process, the contents of intestines or fecal material on the hide could mix with the meat, thus allowing bacteria to flourish in the warm, damp conditions. If the infected parts are then ground, the bacteria go from the surface of the cut to the interior of the ground mass.

Organic food has increased a lot. People want to eat healthy, they don't want to be fat. Which comes to my favorite quote from Michael Pollan "We are a very unhealthy, very high in obesity, nation that is very obsessed with being healthy."

Organic food is very expensive, I won't agree on that, but that's because the demand isn't as high yet.
These conglomerates are quickly looking into the Organic business to raise their profits. It's like when gas prices were up in four dollar rnge, but yet the oil companies of the world were reaching record high profits.

As for the corn that makes them fat and less quality meat, that's a pretty bad argument. You're really against this thing so you'd WANT more meat and less quality, making the number of cows that are killed in the process less.

As for the manure, it might be good to reuse it as fertilizer or w/e, but hey, where do you think our poop goes?

I agree with you on that part, but have you ever heard of a Prion?
We don't know how to kill a prion.
Why does this matter?
Feeding other animals to animals causes prions to form. They are delivered to your brain and could take up to 20 years to become active. Unlike A virus which splits, or bacteria that grows, prions inject other cells with a fluid that turns them into an exact copy.
It is not against the law to feed animals other animals, but a friend of mine who works in a meat processing factory says that other meat processing companies do still feed their livestock other animals, but luckily we only get these prions from eating things that have the nervous system or brain in them (bologna, sausage, and hot dogs).

The manure can't be used as a fertilizer. The chemicals are too high to produce anything for plants. Well our poop is sometimes burn into the air and dumped into streams lol.

Idk what to say. Isn't it good that the corn resists diseases? Kinda like what I said before about apathy, I'm still alive after eating the cow that eats this corn so I'm fine. Seems like it did more good than harm.

It does do more good than harm, that's the problem. As time goes on people are getting more and more bizarre diseases and at high levels. You can't (well I guess you could) eat industrial corn off the stock because it tastes extremely horrible. It's just a double negative, they have to use E-Coli to Genetically Modify these corns then when we eat it, it has all that and corn.

The problem isn't really that we are eating it. The problem how much of it we are eating.

Coke
Diet Coke
Almost All Processed Foods
 Diapers lol
Box of Stuffing
Chef Boyardee
Chicken Broth
Chocolate Bar
Skittles
Bread
McDonalds
Burger King
Doritos

All these have corn!!!!! If you think about it, we eat a lot of corn.

3. So monitor the processes a bit better then shut them down? >_> Choose one, sir.
EDIT: Reading that you're not a vegetarian, I assume you'd want the processes a bit better. I'll agree, but yeah.

Let clarify. I don't want them to be completly shut down. I eat their food as well, but at least make the processes cleaner and better. They have the money, they have the time, they just don't have the motivation because they're making money. These businesses are hoping that their practices are not getting out to the public. Just like I said before, they all almost have organic divisions. They don't care about the consumer, just the money.

Now, if the whole planet's threatened due to carbon emissions or whatever, I'll start caring. Imo, there's PLENTY more problems to worry in the world about than the cleanliness and treatment of animals who are going to be slaughtered for food anyways.

You don't think that these industries are not contributing to the "Global Warming" factor? They are up there after oil refineries.





I like this forum lol.

Now we know what mastermoo really does with his cows. He slaughters and sells them.

It's terrible to think about what it would be like if another species were dominate and did this to us. That part of me would love to see the process improve.

The other side of me says that we are all animals, and it's in our nature to kill. Whatever we as humans do is as natural as a beaver building a dam. It's fair game, it's just not nice.

As for the corn part, I think a label stating that it contains genetically modified organism substance should be required. People should know what they're eating.

Now we know what mastermoo really does with his cows. He slaughters and sells them.

I thought people thought I was the cow. >_> And since when I was mastermoo? I thought I was just "moo." Must be due to the influx of moo members.

It's terrible to think about what it would be like if another species were dominate and did this to us. That part of me would love to see the process improve.

The other side of me says that we are all animals, and it's in our nature to kill. Whatever we as humans do is as natural as a beaver building a dam. It's fair game, it's just not nice.

You covered your argument here.

As for the corn part, I think a label stating that it contains genetically modified organism substance should be required. People should know what they're eating.

More like people should know what they're eating have eaten before they ate them.

Organic food is very expensive, I won't agree on that, but that's because the demand isn't as high yet.

No, it's because they're more expensive to cultivate

It does do more good than harm, that's the problem. As time goes on people are getting more and more bizarre diseases and at high levels.

Sicknesses will continue to evolve the more we make vaccines and medicines, because as living creatures evolve to their environment, bacteria (for example) adapt to resist medication.  Should we stop medicating people and just let them be sick?

Let clarify. I don't want them to be completly shut down. I eat their food as well, but at least make the processes cleaner and better. They have the money, they have the time, they just don't have the motivation because they're making money. These businesses are hoping that their practices are not getting out to the public. Just like I said before, they all almost have organic divisions. They don't care about the consumer, just the money.

I will agree with you 100% on this point, I am sickened by general business practice in America.  Did you know that Verizon is making their DSL service terrible to 'encourage' people to switch to FiOS?

You don't think that these industries are not contributing to the "Global Warming" factor? They are up there after oil refineries.

Oh god Global Warming.
What's next? New World Order?

Oh god lol

Why are you idiots denying the existence of global warming? It's clearly there. Yeah, the Earth has done this before but now it's only sped up due to our destructive habits.

I'll give my two cents on the main topic of the debate once I finish reading it.

Why are you idiots denying the existence of global warming?

Man made global warming doesn't exist. It never has and it never will.

Why are you idiots denying the existence of global warming?

Man made global warming doesn't exist. It never has and it never will.

Maybe because man-made global warming didn't exist since man wasn't there before, and if current global warming kills off the human race, man-made global warming will cease to exist. >_>

Global warming is propaganda, just like H1N1. Fuck Fox News.

Global warming is propaganda, just like H1N1. Fuck Fox News.

necroin to say dis (also fuck fox news):

While I agree that global warming and H1N1 are tools used by the media in order to turn a profit, I think you'd have to be pretty damn ignorant to ignore, or say global warming isn't real when there's facts blatantly there.

Global warming is real.

It's also pretty much indisputable that increased amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere are causing the effect.

Some people seem to think it's part of a natural cycle though, and that it doesn't matter what we pump into the atmosphere at all. These are the same kinds of people who believe that Earth was created by the universe perfectly for humans to live on.

You know, scientists believe the reason Venus is so hot is because it's atmosphere is 95% carbon dioxide.
It's actually often called the 'sister' of Earth because it's so similar in terms of dimensions. Same sort of size.

Take a look at this chart:


I know this may not seem like much, a whole 0.6 degrees since 1940 but if we keep going like we are, generations further down the path will surely suffer the consequences of our negligence.

A good example is nuclear reactors. They produce toxic waste. Back in 1950, the Canadian (and I'm sure the U.S and others as well) government put all this irritated, toxic waste into big concrete boxes and then simply dropped them into the lakes of the country. These concrete boxes were good for 50 years. What's happening now is these concrete boxes are starting to leak, and radiation is leaking into the lake. They thought back then "Oh, the year 2000 is a long ways away." without thinking about the future generations.

The point I'm trying to make is we must take into account our actions, specifically those that would affect the environment, planet, or anyway in which we live and think about the generations of tomorrow. This doesn't go for just humans. This is for animals, and the other lifeforms of Earth.
It's blatantly obvious that if we keep going the way we are, the temperatures going to continue to increase until there is so much heat and CO2 in the air the Earth will become too hot to be cooled down by a cooling period (ice age).

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CRY SOME MOOOOR

That graph goes back to 1880. The world is what, billions of years old? Hmm...

That graph goes back to 1880. The world is what, billions of years old? Hmm...

And industrialized man is how old? Hmm...

You're obviously not getting my point.

The only point I see you attempting to make is that the Earth is billions of years old, and that the temperatures increase/decreases through the ages. No shit?

The point I'm trying to make is that we're doing nothing but speeding up that fucking process. And I fear that someday in the future that we may push it too far before the next ice age rolls around and we end up being the reason for the Earth becoming more and more like Venus.

All the more reason to live life rather than complain about it.

Yes, we're accelerating global warming it seems, However, the Earth is not yet gonna become venus. It has a very good regulation system. May suck for us when it regulates, but the planet as a whole'll be just fine.

And, right now we're in a relatively cool time in earth's history. During the Jurassic, temperatures wee on average ten degrees hotter (F) across the board. It really difficult to say to what extent it's humanity's carbon footprint and how much of this is a natural progression. However, that's no reason we shouldn't still pay closer attention to how much carbon fuel we use, since it's a non-renewable resource and pay attention to air quality since that directly affects our health and the health of other organisms.

Oh, and an interesting thing..if the ice caps do melt very quickly, we'll actually very likely go first into a mini-ice-age, since the huge influx of cold, fresh water into the oceans would shut down the thermohaline cycle which keeps the east coast of the US and all of the UK so nice and temperate. Geology is fun!

don't take this as to say we shouldn't care about the environment, it's not meant that way at all especially since I believe we should be respecting and preserving nature, but...

seriously people, stfu about global warming, like Joy said the earth has regulatory measures, and it was a lot hotter before we were around, who's to say it won't get that way again?  We're not going to boil alive in superheat in the next decade.

Climate change is the proper term as Global Warming is but a small part of the phase Earth is in, or, whatever the hell you want to call it.  Some places are cooling down rather than heating up, and others are experiencing a higher rate of natural disasters. Which I believe goes on to show that we are not entirely responsible for it and it is just correlated with a natural phase.
Nevertheless, drilling in the ocean and pumping out CO2 is in no way a good thing.

The entire thing is inflated and carried on and distorted by word of mouth as well as the media.
Go figure that the same people who bitch and moan about Capitalists that kill the planet are the ones that create the demand for these mass produced products that keep Capitalists running their polluting factories in the first place.
Side note: I love how companies are already capitalizing on the "Green Product" marketplace. I guess they're just doing their job well. :]


And I agree with Holk. Live your life while you can, because it's too damn short.
However, I personally think we might as well just try our best to think about our actions and their possible outcomes.

While I agree that living your life while you can is a suitable answer, it's also extremely extremely selfish. At the moment, that's basically everyone's outlook so we still do dumb shit and don't care because we won't be around to be affected. That's selfish. So something ought to be done besides just living your life and not complaining about it. Though I would suggest actually doing something instead of just complaining about it would be more suitable. So I would disagree with holk that the answer is to live your life and, to continue from it with my own assumption, forget about these problems.

Anyways, this might just be a slightly different discussion.

There is a difference between living and living responsibly, and living well can be done while being responsible. Take some fucking personal responsibility. If you think that we as human beings are lords of all creation, then be a good lord and care about your subjects.

If your stance is that we are of nature and not above it, then live like it by treating the Earth and all her children (even Irock) with the respect that is their due as a child of the gods. From a spiritual point of view (also probably a different discussion, but bear with me) you either love all of the gods' children or none of them.

Whatever you do, make an informed decision based on what YOU think, not what someone else tells you. The empirical evidence is there. Find it and figure it out. No, we won't boil alive in the next decade, but how long WILL it take?