Obama vs McCain

[narcodis]

I don't see how that is Obama's fault.

As for the pastor issue, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo&feature=related
I'd say watch the whole thing, but if you're concerned about his views on his pastor, fast forward to about 5 minutes in.

Politicians lie. Every single politician out there would deny his anti-American views, because they know it isn't going to help their campaign any. If a man was in the KKK since the 80s, and the word got out, and he suddenly said "I'm only in the KKK because the leader of our group introduced me to my religion" nobody would believe him. It's simply a lie to get back some of the votes he lost when the word got out. I couldn't stand sitting in a room listening to a man scream "NIGGERS ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY!" for decades. Even if I knew the leader, I wouldn't continue being a member. Don't take the words of a man in trouble as fact.

Look, just because you attend a church where someone is preaching random nuances about race and nationalism doesn't mean everyone sitting in the same room as him agrees with it. A church is a community, a lifestyle, and a place for worship. The fact that the pastor used his position as his own little soapbox to spew his own narrow-minded bigoted opinion once in a while doesn't mean anything. Obama showing his separation and disgust for what his pastor said, but at the same time showing his compassion and acceptance of who he is and his opinion, really, is a brilliant and warm-hearted move.

And like I said.. If that's the worst Obama is guilty of, then he's probably the best candidate this nation has seen in decades.

[haloOfTheSun]

ITT: Irock thinks he understands politics.

[Irock]

I don't see how that is Obama's fault.

As for the pastor issue, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo&feature=related
I'd say watch the whole thing, but if you're concerned about his views on his pastor, fast forward to about 5 minutes in.

Politicians lie. Every single politician out there would deny his anti-American views, because they know it isn't going to help their campaign any. If a man was in the KKK since the 80s, and the word got out, and he suddenly said "I'm only in the KKK because the leader of our group introduced me to my religion" nobody would believe him. It's simply a lie to get back some of the votes he lost when the word got out. I couldn't stand sitting in a room listening to a man scream "NIGGERS ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY!" for decades. Even if I knew the leader, I wouldn't continue being a member. Don't take the words of a man in trouble as fact.

Look, just because you attend a church where someone is preaching random nuances about race and nationalism doesn't mean everyone sitting in the same room as him agrees with it. A church is a community, a lifestyle, and a place for worship. The fact that the pastor used his position as his own little soapbox to spew his own narrow-minded bigoted opinion once in a while doesn't mean anything. Obama showing his separation and disgust for what his pastor said, but at the same time showing his compassion and acceptance of who he is and his opinion, really, is a brilliant and warm-hearted move.

And like I said.. If that's the worst Obama is guilty of, then he's probably the best candidate this nation has seen in decades.

So the pastor has been preaching this racist, anti-American garbage since the 80s, yet Obama gave the pastor $21,000 and right when the public found out about the church, Obama suddenly said that he was outraged? He's had YEARS to be outraged. You're not going to listen to a man say things like "not God bless America, God damn America" (2003) for 20 years and then suddenly say "I am outraged."

The fact that Obama decided to say "I am outraged" after 20 years of hearing the pastor, is the one thing that shows that Obama is lying to save his campaign. It doesn't take 20 years to be outraged about something, as much as you want to believe it.

[narcodis]

Who ever said he never thought his pastor's statements were outrageous before? Just because he didn't publicly state he doesn't agree with his pastor doesn't mean he didn't all along. It's not like he's going to announce at a press conference "Oh, by the way? My pastor, he's sort of a racist anti-establishment cook, and I'm here and now stating that the things he says don't reflect my personal views at all. kthx." Once the republican party dug up that fresh piece of dirt, they tried to oh-so-badly capitalize on it, but Obama clearly stated he has never agreed with his pastor's more extreme views.

Look, you're obviously convinced that Obama is this lying, slanderous racist scumfuck that really wants to tear this nation down and bring on the black panther revolution. I'm not going to try and dissuade you.


PS- How're Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity doing these days?

[Irock]

Who ever said he never thought his pastor's statements were outrageous before? Just because he didn't publicly state he doesn't agree with his pastor doesn't mean he didn't all along. It's not like he's going to announce at a press conference "Oh, by the way? My pastor, he's sort of a racist anti-establishment cook, and I'm here and now stating that the things he says don't reflect my personal views at all. kthx." Once the republican party dug up that fresh piece of dirt, they tried to oh-so-badly capitalize on it, but Obama clearly stated he has never agreed with his pastor's more extreme views.

So he's been outraged for 20 years, yet he's stood in that church and listened to him regularly? That doesn't happen. I'm not going to listen to my pastor preach some bullshit about black people ruining America. Even if he had introduced me to my religion, baptized my children, and treated me like a son, I would NOT listen to them every single day preach words of hatred against another race, and I wouldn't give him $27,000.

Look, you're obviously convinced that Obama is this lying, slanderous racist scumfuck that really wants to tear this nation down and bring on the black panther revolution. I'm not going to try and dissuade you.

And you're obviously convinced that Obama is a great, almighty, loving, messiah that's going to stop all war, and find a fuel that costs $1 a barrel.

PS- How're Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity doing these days?

I don't listen to the radio, but I'd imagine they're doing fine. Glenn Beck is doing pretty well too.

How are the liberal news stations doing?

[narcodis]

God, how I hate politics.

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[Moss.]

I'd vote for Obama simply because he can sink a 3-pointer, and McCain falls asleep in Congress.

[monkofevil]

I'd vote for Obama simply because he can sink a 3-pointer, and McCain falls asleep in Congress.

You would fall asleep in congress too. It was a motherhuggingly boring 30 years of my life.

So he's been outraged for 20 years, yet he's stood in that church and listened to him regularly? That doesn't happen. I'm not going to listen to my pastor preach some bullshit about black people ruining America. Even if he had introduced me to my religion, baptized my children, and treated me like a son, I would NOT listen to them every single day preach words of hatred against another race, and I wouldn't give him $27,000.

I wouldn't give someone I was outraged with $27k. That's pretty bizarre. In all likelihood, we're looking at a failed humanitarian move. Obama arbitrarily decided to give this pastor money, in an effort to boost his ratings with conservative religious types, and it backfired. Or, he's been listening to vaguely racist preaching from a corrupt congregation leader. Then tried ot give him mponey and be outraged at the same time. Either way, it was a bad move on Lama Obama's part.
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