Should guns be banned?

[Snailer]

I only got 1 thing to say

[cobragamer]

Thats the point they need to change the way they do that whether or not retailers buy them or not this hole debate is aboute to see if they need to change the gun laws or not

[Holkeye]

No, its about whether or not guns should be banned. I agree they need to change some things, but I think better identification is the greatest step in preventing gun related crimes. People would be less prone to use them if it was easier to trace them.

[Link]

bar coding and chipping the guns so they know where, when and who the shot was fired by, but then what happens if the gun was stolon?

[Ruhani777]

banning guns is impossible, hundreds of thousands of people have them. Ban guns, the people of wont have nothing to defend themselves. If elegy ever mentions something about swords again, i got one message:

If people saw you carrying that sword around in the streets, ppl r gonna go (what the hell is he planning to do with that sword). Come one, this aint the midevial times.

Heavy restrictions toward guns is my thing. also better i.d helps, it prevents those not allowed to have guns to get one anyways.  

And link, thats why they have forensic specialists.

[Link]

yeah but still gang fights, and all that crap or well planed murders? thats more what im getting at

[Ruhani777]

thats why we have law enforcement, but the cops dont have time to report to crime and hostile incident, that why we need to protect ourselves.

[Link]

back to original point bar coding and chipping 

[cobragamer]

Then they send the entire gang fight to prison becuase it is a tad on the illegal side. If it was well planned then there would still be less murders your never going to get rid of all the murders because there other things than guns to kill with you just havee to try to minimize them.

[Ruhani777]

exactly, thats why we need other means of protecting ourselves, like.... GUNS, stick to the point, should guns be banned or not?

[Snailer]

banning guns is impossible, hundreds of thousands of people have them. Ban guns, the people of wont have nothing to defend themselves. If elegy ever mentions something about swords again, i got one message:

If people saw you carrying that sword around in the streets, ppl r gonna go (what the hell is he planning to do with that sword). Come one, this aint the midevial times.

Heavy restrictions toward guns is my thing. also better i.d helps, it prevents those not allowed to have guns to get one anyways. 

And link, thats why they have forensic specialists.

As I said people in holland aren't supposed to have guns too you know..
STILL people will get shot and all because they can get it through people who CAN get them legal like in America .
And having guns for self defense is pointless, if guns are  banned you wont need to defend yourself do you ?

yeah but still gang fights, and all that crap or well planed murders? thats more what im getting at

Yes getting all guns out is very hard as everyone has a gun now .. Getting them all back would take years and alot of riot

[Holkeye]

I was thinking more along the lines of a tracking system. Something similar to gps, that goes off whenever a gun is fired. This way, the gun could be tracked, by following the blip resonating from the signal. It would be simple for a person legitimately firing a gun to have turned off, but if the gun is stolen, or used in a murder, I doubt the criminal want the police to come and turn it off.

[Ruhani777]

Whats the point, people will still smuggle them and cap your ass, as i've said, banning guns takes away protection from the law abider, and gives the bad guys more oppurtunity to strike. Holkeye, that is good idea, but implementing that into all technologies would take time and money, its worth it, but im not sure if the gov't would agree.

[Elegy]

Alot of countries have strict laws against owning firearms, some countries even have laws stating that even if someone hits you, you're not allowed to retaliate or attack them back in any way.
And in all of these countries, crime rates are much much lower than anywhere in the US.

Thats all the proof anyone needs to show how utterly idiotic guns are.

[Ruhani777]

the only one utterly idiotic is you, wouldn't you want to protect yourself from someone that attacked you by retaliating. heck, you're the one mentioning swords for self defense, this isnt final fantasy.

[oneray]

I think we should ban guns. Only the cops and the army should have guns. Then the question arises, how will you defend yourself? I live in Canada, and nobody I know has a gun. Everyone who gets robbed doesn't have a gun. If you don't have gun, then there is no fire fights. When someone robs you, will you be able to get your gun from your drawers? NO! You won't be able to reach. Then what is the point of having a gun? A gun is a weapon that acts, not reacts.

[Holkeye]

Read before you post. You've broken the flow of the conversation. Even though there wasn't much of one to begin with.

[Ruhani777]

I think we should ban guns. Only the cops and the army should have guns. Then the question arises, how will you defend yourself? I live in Canada, and nobody I know has a gun. Everyone who gets robbed doesn't have a gun. If you don't have gun, then there is no fire fights. When someone robs you, will you be able to get your gun from your drawers? NO! You won't be able to reach. Then what is the point of having a gun? A gun is a weapon that acts, not reacts.

How many times do i have to say.... take away guns, you give more oppurtinities of killing innocents (law abiders) to the ones that use guns for awful purposes. who said they'd have to get their guns from their drawers, theres a reason why people have several guns, for easy access. 

[oneray]

America= yes to guns = big crime rate
Rest of the World (expect some)= no to guns= low crime rate

I can't dumb it down any further.

[Elegy]

the only one utterly idiotic is you, wouldn't you want to protect yourself from someone that attacked you by retaliating. heck, you're the one mentioning swords for self defense, this isnt final fantasy.

No, I've never mentioned swords as a valid means of self defence, I've stated that swords would be preferable to guns, seeing how you're infinitely less likely to hit a bystander with a sword and to be effective it requires training, meaning not any monkey could use it.

That doesn't mean no weapons at all wouldn't be preferable to swords.

It's only in the US where everyone has guns, almost all other I-countries have banned guns among civilians and they are far better off.

Unfortunately, the US isn't and will never be as civilized as the rest of the world.

[Holkeye]

You live in a fantasy world. Wake up.

[Elegy]

Yes, I'm making this up, places with guns are obviously far safer than those without. /sarcasm

[Holkeye]

You generalize far too much.

[Ruhani777]

stop fantasizing, you and oneray, seriously.

[Elegy]

So what you're saying Ruhani is that you honestly belive that if two people are having a "fight" it's easier for a bystander standing 20m away to get hit if they are using swords, than if they are using guns.

There's a quote for the history books, pure wisdom.