Focusing on Creationism

[Deliciously_Saucy]

Science soposedly discovered jesus tomb, woops wrong it only helped that Jesus has risen from the dead. Bible mentions about a mine of copper ofr some other miniral, they went to  were the bible said it was found nothing but then they dug deeeper and found it full of the metal. In the bible it prophetised about and increase of earthquakes over the last 1000 years earthquakes have risin to high numbers of thousands of earthquakes just check the news or remember the tsuname about two or three years ago.

Yeh, Nostradamus predicted a lot of stuff too... It's a nice little trick. It's not a premonition unless you can name the event to take place before it happens. The bible is more then vague with what it predicts, it doesn't give any specific dates making it bound to happen at one time or another. If you predict that some time in the future it will get much colder, I'm sure that it will happen.

As to the tomb, I really don't see how that proves anything, while I have not gone deeply into the story as of yet, I'm sure there are plenty of tombs around the place... As well as copper mines...

Jesus is still a fictional character in my books, I have seen no evidence of his existence past the bible.

Noahs ark has been proven! Mt. ararat still exists today just I think it was renamed. It has been taken a picture of it under the ice. Science has also recorded that earth is more compacted during floods. they have found a great compaction whitch would have been the soil 5 thousand years ago

No, no it hasn't. I'm afraid, sadly for you, that I have done pleanty of research in the Mt. Ararat boat "findings" and all they have is a satilite photo of most likey nothing, and a few atention seeking locals who want to be on Tv claiming to have seen a boat on their travels on the mountain... Here's a vid I find quite fun... ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxFTCdBBklU&watch_response It has music and cartoons.. Please watch...

Going by your bible, the dimensions given are physically impossible for a wooden boat, as well as many other things...

[cobragamer]

How are they impossible? and what about the flood finding with the ground

[Deliciously_Saucy]

A wooden boat of that size would capsize. Most of my argument is in this video, watch it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxFTCdBBklU&watch_response

[cobragamer]

No matter how big a boat is if is made of wood it will float as long as it is in the correct dimensions and did you even check what he was saying was comepletly true based on the Bible books and others findings.

[cobragamer]

If we are going to talk about the bibble then we should start a separate thread.

[Deliciously_Saucy]

No matter how big a boat is if is made of wood it will float as long as it is in the correct dimensions

Really... ... Perhaps you would like to not blindly state things like that again in the future, you really are losing credibility. I'm afraid a pure wooden ship does indeed have a limit to it's size due to the nature of wood its self. Wood is very flexible, without metal to reinforce it a wooden ship would not only sink, it would break.

and did you even check what he was saying was comepletly true based on the Bible books and others findings.

I'm afraid I didn't get that... Of course it was based on the bible, it's a biblical story, what else would you like to base it on? Dissect the story to fit current needs and we're no longer talking about the same thing. Perhaps I misunderstood you, your style of writing isn't the easiest to understand.

But yes I did check what the maker was saying, and excluding the repetition of the word "fuck", the movie tends to discredit any realism of the story Noah's Ark.

[cobragamer]

Science soposedly discovered jesus tomb, woops wrong it only helped that Jesus has risen from the dead. Bible mentions about a mine of copper ofr some other miniral, they went to  were the bible said it was found nothing but then they dug deeeper and found it full of the metal. In the bible it prophetised about and increase of earthquakes over the last 1000 years earthquakes have risin to high numbers of thousands of earthquakes just check the news or remember the tsuname about two or three years ago.

Yeh, Nostradamus predicted a lot of stuff too... It's a nice little trick. It's not a premonition unless you can name the event to take place before it happens. The bible is more then vague with what it predicts, it doesn't give any specific dates making it bound to happen at one time or another. If you predict that some time in the future it will get much colder, I'm sure that it will happen.

As to the tomb, I really don't see how that proves anything, while I have not gone deeply into the story as of yet, I'm sure there are plenty of tombs around the place... As well as copper mines...

Jesus is still a fictional character in my books, I have seen no evidence of his existence past the bible.

There is over 100 proghesies on Jesus and they all came true based on writing during that same period

[Tsunokiette]

Also, Noah reinforced the wood with metals (they had the materials back then), so by your standards DS it should float.

[cobragamer]

Going to start playing devil's advocate here. Can you prove from articles or material that are relevant to the time period?

[Arrow]

No, you're just being arbitrary for the sake of it.

[Deliciously_Saucy]

Also, Noah reinforced the wood with metals (they had the materials back then), so by your standards DS it should float.

Oh god... I didn't say that... THERE IS A LIMIT IN SIZE TO A WOODEN BOAT WHETHER YOU REINFORCE IT OR NOT. Tested and tried, reinforcement increases the size, but not to that extent. Ask some one at the American ship building industry.

As to the metal workings, Noah lived roughly in 2900 B.C. ( or according to the bible, the tenth generation after Adam ), in other words the early bronze age. When Noah was 600  years old ( he died 350 years later ), this was when he was commissioned to build his arc. No matter when you place him going by the ideas given by your bible, Noah really wouldn't have had the technical prowess for iron reinforcement. Oh wait, perhaps god gave it to him .

Going to start playing devil's advocate here. Can you prove from articles or material that are relevant to the time period?

Who the hell are you talking to? I'm also surprised you didn't bleep out the word "devil".

From what I found there really is no exact time reference to Noah in the bible, and given that he's a fictional character there isn't any other records of him. The time I put up is from religious types trying to place him in a real time period.

[Elegy]

Pfft, americans can't build ships.

Noah really wouldn't have had the technical prowess for iron reinforcement

Thats an interesting thought, the discovery of penicillin was attributed to Alexander Fleming in 1928, but the Veda scriptures prove that people knew about penicillin 5000 years ago, same goes for lead accumulators, (better known as car batteries) the ancient egyptians knew how to make those.

Point remains, you can't really know what kind of technical abilities people had in the past, the only thing found are pottery and occasional wooden objects, if they had metal tools they would have eroded.

[Arrow]

Now THERE'S a point we agree on. Though I cna't back-up what your specific examples as this is the first I've heard of this, I can back up your general idea. So many records have been hidden or lost or destroyed, there's no telling what ancient earth was like. China is a fantastic example.

[cobragamer]

http://www.neatorama.com/2006/07/01/noahs-ark-found/
There is a sight that says that they have found what is noah's ark. Man is a sinful creature and there can be flaws as text being translated down during the reformations times but I still believe there is a way whether of not it uses divine intervention or not I have no idea but it is still possible

[Deliciously_Saucy]

Yes, I'm sure in your mind there's no way it could be wrong, but that's because your an unquestioning religious type. But the real interesting point is that you keep searching for evidence of your faith... Odd, can't you "just believe"? Even when your mind is fumbled by evidence and scientific law, you always have "well, it must of been divine intervention" to fall back on and reassure your faith. Just keep ignoring logic, your doing a great job.

Oh and thanks for the gossip. Two poorly written, unfounded paragraphs really don't have two legs to stand on...

[cobragamer]

Well it is the same for you why do you have to find falts in our religion is it becuese you are in denile and need an excuse to stay away from God

[Deliciously_Saucy]

Well it is the same for you why do you have to find falts in our religion is it becuese you are in denile and need an excuse to stay away from God

Not even slightly, I was deeply Christian, by my own accord too, but when I gained some knowledge from the world I started asking questions, and the answers came quite clearly to me one day; there is no god, at least not a personal one. What do I have to be in denial about?

The idea of life after death is something I would kill for. I assure you, accepting nothingness at death isn't a choice that is comforting, nor is it something I want, but I would rather live in truth and be depressed, then live a shallow, controlled life just to be content the last few moments before my death.

[Blizzard]

You should ignore the possibility if there is a God or not. In the end it's only faith that matters. I still say it's better to live a fun life, regardless of your beliefs.

[cobragamer]

Hey let's just get back on topic Ok will you tell me how, why and from where you get your beliefs of Evolution

[Arrow]

The topic is not evolution, it is creationism.

[Roph]

.. and subsequently the main counter theory, evolution.

[Arrow]

*bashes head into table.*

Sorry, I was getting sort of used to countering him like that. You're absolutely right. Sorry cobra.

[Deliciously_Saucy]

Hey let's just get back on topic Ok will you tell me how, why and from where you get your beliefs of Evolution

how: I never really believed or disbelieved in evolution when I was a young Christian, and when you start learning about things of an academic nature it really shows you the evidence that the only possibility is evolution ( I'm not referring to NS ).

Why: There really aren't any counter options to take in the real world that are taken seriously, that and I've studied it to some degree myself, the evidence is there and undeniable, the only people I have seen that try to attack or don't believe in evolution ( in its base form ) are religious types in who's ideas evolution clashes with.

Where: Uh, where else? The world and it's surroundings.

[Roph]

I'm still wondering if Tsuno ever watched that show I linked him. If not, links yet again: part 1 & part 2. I'd advise his bible buddy watch it as well. Hopefully it'll save both of you from your delusion :/

If you're up for reading a book, I attached "The God Delusion" here, which I recommend you read.

Both cover creationism/evolution quite alot, so relevance++.

It's almost hilarious that people still beleive these man-made religions and blindly beleive things like the earth is merely a few thousand years old even in the face of concrete proof that it is clearly billions of years old. Take one small random sample of all this, something like the layers of ice on the polar caps, which (like tree rings) changes each year due to summer and winter, melting and refreezing. So far when drilling out, they've had ice with what, nearly a million layers?

[Deliciously_Saucy]

Take one small random sample of all this, something like the layers of ice on the polar caps, which (like tree rings) changes each year due to summer and winter, melting and refreezing. So far when drilling out, they've had ice with what, nearly a million layers?

No no no, god did that to trick you all >_> for some reason >_>...


Ahhh, downloads a bitch Silver =) but I'm doing it now... I'll edit in a response once they have downloaded ( an est. 2 hours... ).


Just like love, ignoring flaws and accepting insane logic to make things fit is an easy thing to do in the face of religion, I can see that bible pete over here is asking enough questions to try and make more sense of his faith, but if you refuse to accept the answers, the truth then there really is no point in asking. Your making up logic in a vain attempt to back your faith to answers you can't respond to in a rational way.