Music Genres

[Decadent Sympozium]

Music is pretty hard to judge if you don't give any specifics. Suppose you have two entries, one is Melodic Hard Trance and the other is Orchestral Gamesoundtrack. You can't compare the two. In no possible way. These two are simply two different routes in music art and what may be amazing in orcgsound does not exist in MHT that has its own amaizing elemenets incomparable with Orchgsound. Also, a person judging such open contest is supposed to know and understand entire music developement and lore.

In my opinion, you should either or both of the two things:

Make a rule that you can use only orchestra (refference: complete midi set without synth and electro drums) and/or split the entries into basic: Core Electronica/Orchestral Compositions/Soundscape, where Core Electronica counds for Trance, Techno, Goa, House, IDM, Nu Skul Beats, Rap Beat, DnB, etc, Orchestral Compositions is obvious, and Soundscape counts for experimental, soundscape, ambiental, envrionmental symphonic. I excluded genres regarding guitars (metal/rock/country...) because I'm not sure how many will go for it...

[Moss.]

Music is pretty hard to judge if you don't give any specifics. Suppose you have two entries, one is Melodic Hard Trance and the other is Orchestral Gamesoundtrack. You can't compare the two. In no possible way. These two are simply two different routes in music art and what may be amazing in orcgsound does not exist in MHT that has its own amaizing elemenets incomparable with Orchgsound. Also, a person judging such open contest is supposed to know and understand entire music developement and lore.

In my opinion, you should either or both of the two things:

Make a rule that you can use only orchestra (refference: complete midi set without synth and electro drums) and/or split the entries into basic: Core Electronica/Orchestral Compositions/Soundscape, where Core Electronica counds for Trance, Techno, Goa, House, IDM, Nu Skul Beats, Rap Beat, DnB, etc, Orchestral Compositions is obvious, and Soundscape counts for experimental, soundscape, ambiental, envrionmental symphonic. I excluded genres regarding guitars (metal/rock/country...) because I'm not sure how many will go for it...

Okay, so when I post my experimental rock song with the orchestral section and the synth solo, you can go ahead and enter me into all three of those categories.

Oh wait, I already released that song two weeks ago.

Point is, I hate genres because I don't fit into them, and I can't be the only one.

[Decadent Sympozium]

Music is pretty hard to judge if you don't give any specifics. Suppose you have two entries, one is Melodic Hard Trance and the other is Orchestral Gamesoundtrack. You can't compare the two. In no possible way. These two are simply two different routes in music art and what may be amazing in orcgsound does not exist in MHT that has its own amaizing elemenets incomparable with Orchgsound. Also, a person judging such open contest is supposed to know and understand entire music developement and lore.

In my opinion, you should either or both of the two things:

Make a rule that you can use only orchestra (refference: complete midi set without synth and electro drums) and/or split the entries into basic: Core Electronica/Orchestral Compositions/Soundscape, where Core Electronica counds for Trance, Techno, Goa, House, IDM, Nu Skul Beats, Rap Beat, DnB, etc, Orchestral Compositions is obvious, and Soundscape counts for experimental, soundscape, ambiental, envrionmental symphonic. I excluded genres regarding guitars (metal/rock/country...) because I'm not sure how many will go for it...

Okay, so when I post my experimental rock song with the orchestral section and the synth solo, you can go ahead and enter me into all three of those categories.

Oh wait, I already released that song two weeks ago.

Point is, I hate genres because I don't fit into them, and I can't be the only one.

Actually you'd be in that fourth section I just mentioned. Just because you have a synth solo doesn't mean you belong to electronics nor orchestra makes you belong to neo-classical. You're the fourth section, basically. What overalls the total composition makes the genre count.

[Roph]

I'm gonna have to be on arlen's side here. Way to try tro hard at genre'ing.

I have my mainstream music in just 4 folders, rock, pop, dance, other =/

I sort of laugh at people who go through thousands of genres, like alt rock, nu metal, rap metal, black metal, death metal, techno rock, prog rock, post rock, etc =/

Of course, that said, the best genre on the planet is quite clearly FOLKTRONICA <3

[Moss.]

dude shut up post prepunk rock fusion is the best.

[Malson]

I am totally digging Anarcho-Punk-Crust right now

[Moss.]

Too trendy for me.

[Decadent Sympozium]

Saying which genre is the best is pretty much lame. Saying which genre is best to you, on the other hand, doesn't make you look primitive...

Basic genering is quite easy, nevermind your post-rock-funk-electro-classical-ska-rap-ambient-whatsoever-mixing.

Let me quote:

when I post my experimental rock song with the orchestral section and the synth solo

You said it yourself.

I have my mainstream music in just 4 folders, rock, pop, dance, other =/

Suppose this is one song. Saying something is rock and pop at the same time is quite impossible, unless it's a rock for the widest masses, what makes it sound almost like pop, if it wasn't for the guitars and drums. Making a rock/pop song and putting it under "dance" is another impossible thing, unless you have problems with understanding how drums and beat work then you may do something that can barely be heard. Dance is a strict genre and cannot interact with rock in anykind of way because then it would not be dance. What you can, however, is generally say it has electronical elements, or even elements of symphonic electronica if you deal with instruments,  and so we reach the last important word -> Other, what basically means something that is not defined so far, and therefore, you go under Other. Good work, perhaps one day your music will have its own genre. If I misunderstood your sentence, and you say each of your four songs go under different folder, than all I can say is: this has nothing to do with the current issue of where the song goes. Nonetheless, if you plan on going pro with 4 songs of different genre, you won't get far.

What, generally, puts us down to four-five, perhaps six "folders", regardless of the combining elements.

[Roph]

^ See, that is what I view of fail.

I don't waste my time going over the top genre'ing my stuff, or feel like I have to define everything. I just chuck my music in whichever folder. =/

[haloOfTheSun]

Saying which genre is the best is pretty much lame. Saying which genre is best to you, on the other hand, doesn't make you look primitive...

Basic genering is quite easy, nevermind your post-rock-funk-electro-classical-ska-rap-ambient-whatsoever-mixing.

Let me quote:

when I post my experimental rock song with the orchestral section and the synth solo

You said it yourself.

I have my mainstream music in just 4 folders, rock, pop, dance, other =/

Suppose this is one song. Saying something is rock and pop at the same time is quite impossible, unless it's a rock for the widest masses, what makes it sound almost like pop, if it wasn't for the guitars and drums. Making a rock/pop song and putting it under "dance" is another impossible thing, unless you have problems with understanding how drums and beat work then you may do something that can barely be heard. Dance is a strict genre and cannot interact with rock in anykind of way because then it would not be dance. What you can, however, is generally say it has electronical elements, or even elements of symphonic electronica if you deal with instruments,  and so we reach the last important word -> Other, what basically means something that is not defined so far, and therefore, you go under Other. Good work, perhaps one day your music will have its own genre. If I misunderstood your sentence, and you say each of your four songs go under different folder, than all I can say is: this has nothing to do with the current issue of where the song goes. Nonetheless, if you plan on going pro with 4 songs of different genre, you won't get far.

What, generally, puts us down to four-five, perhaps six "folders", regardless of the combining elements.

You take labelling music way too seriously. o_O

Plus, I think you missed out on the sarcasm up above.

[Decadent Sympozium]

Saying which genre is the best is pretty much lame. Saying which genre is best to you, on the other hand, doesn't make you look primitive...

Basic genering is quite easy, nevermind your post-rock-funk-electro-classical-ska-rap-ambient-whatsoever-mixing.

Let me quote:

when I post my experimental rock song with the orchestral section and the synth solo

You said it yourself.

I have my mainstream music in just 4 folders, rock, pop, dance, other =/

Suppose this is one song. Saying something is rock and pop at the same time is quite impossible, unless it's a rock for the widest masses, what makes it sound almost like pop, if it wasn't for the guitars and drums. Making a rock/pop song and putting it under "dance" is another impossible thing, unless you have problems with understanding how drums and beat work then you may do something that can barely be heard. Dance is a strict genre and cannot interact with rock in anykind of way because then it would not be dance. What you can, however, is generally say it has electronical elements, or even elements of symphonic electronica if you deal with instruments,  and so we reach the last important word -> Other, what basically means something that is not defined so far, and therefore, you go under Other. Good work, perhaps one day your music will have its own genre. If I misunderstood your sentence, and you say each of your four songs go under different folder, than all I can say is: this has nothing to do with the current issue of where the song goes. Nonetheless, if you plan on going pro with 4 songs of different genre, you won't get far.

What, generally, puts us down to four-five, perhaps six "folders", regardless of the combining elements.

You take labelling music way too seriously. o_O

Plus, I think you missed out on the sarcasm up above.

I agree on the second, and half way on the first. 

[Malson]

Dance is a strict genre and cannot interact with rock in anykind of way because then it would not be dance.

You're a massive retard.

[Moss.]

lol, this is a great thread.

[Decadent Sympozium]

Dance is a strict genre and cannot interact with rock in anykind of way because then it would not be dance.

You're a massive retard.

So are you then. I'm in music production and business for 7 years now, I know what I'm talking about and from what I see - you don't.

[Moss.]

Someone check this guy's IP. My Naphe senses are tingling.

[Malson]

Dance is a strict genre and cannot interact with rock in anykind of way because then it would not be dance.

You're a massive retard.

So are you then. I'm in music production and business for 7 years now, I know what I'm talking about and from what I see - you don't.

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha. I suggest you quit your job: the music industry doesn't need any more morons.

[Roph]

Lol, very dynamic, as in, pretty much unique for every time he logs on.

Rather than try to argue with him, I'm just going to ignore it.

[Blizzard]

Decadent is from Croatia. (-_-) He's quite right about what he said. There are MANY subgenres and most times it is hard to put songs into one, so we just put them into two or more. I have a folder called Techno and there is everything that makes utz-utz-utz-utz regardless if it's Progressive Trance, Goa Trance, Plazmatekk, Trance, Techno, Hard Trance, Dance (yeah, there actually ARE a few good Dance songs), Rave (yes, I even have a couple of Rave songs...) or whatever.


AND YOU'RE ALL NOT COOL BECAUSE YOU DON'T LISTEN TO TRANCE!!11!!!

(@Decadent: is a sarcasm smiley. )

EDIT: Ignore Zypher.

[Decadent Sympozium]

Dance is a strict genre and cannot interact with rock in anykind of way because then it would not be dance.

You're a massive retard.

So are you then. I'm in music production and business for 7 years now, I know what I'm talking about and from what I see - you don't.

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha. I suggest you quit your job: the music industry doesn't need any more morons.

I suggest you stop talking bullshit. If you however do continue, you might as well try to explain the same.

[Malson]

I suggest you stop talking bullshit. If you however do continue, you might as well try to explain the same.

You're the one that said dance can't interact with rock, which is probably the worst piece of bullshit I've heard in a long time. Quit being a stupid genre nazi and just listen to music as music.

[Blizzard]

He didn't say Dance can't interact with Rock, he said if you make a Rock song you can't call it Dance.
And he said if you would add Rock elements into a Dance song, you can't call it Dance anymore as it isn't Dance anymore.
Read his post again closely, Zypher.

[Malson]

And I called him an idiot for worrying about that kind of shit. I've written sketches that were, for the most part, equal parts dance and rock, and instead of stressing over putting them in a genre like he would, I'm just simply slapping a song name on it and listening to it. I honestly believe genres were one of the worst things to happen to music because now people feel like they have to conform to the genre they're writing, instead of just simply writing.

[Blizzard]

Genres are a bad idea you say? Do you want to say RPG are the same as FPS-es? I don't think so.

[Malson]

They ARE the same though. They're both video games.

[Blizzard]

Dance and Rock are music. So, where's the problem? Do you hear an guitar in Rock? Or do you play RPG with a gun and from the 1st person perspective?