The War on Terror

Firstly what is the War on Terror:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terrorism

Now I sit on the Fence on this one... I think if people hate their leaders so much that they form an army of their own in a hope to topple that ruler how can that be wrong...?  The French did it... But at the same time if one of these factions aims at toppling a neighbouring state or opens a War with another country, what then...? (Some thing had to be done about 9/11, But should we have looked more into the reasons why terroist decided to attack like they did ?)

Reading the link given above you can see both sides of the debate clearly outlined... I hate all war, and I hate this one more than any as most of the Time terrorist only attack thoughs that are harming their country, ideals or religion, all things I would defend with my life should I have to... A Terrorist could be any one, your brother, farther, sister... just some one that feels wronged but those that abuse power...

A War on Terror is a no win War... Terrorists are a countries freedom fighters or Hero's... It would have been like in the 60's declarring war on the hippy's (Not a Bad idea)...LOL

Almost every country has its own Terrorist like faction those that go against the goverment... Not that I am backing what they do or say but many a time they have good reason to become a Freedom fighter / Activist / Terrorist depending on what faction or agender they have...

Some times countries actually back or Fund Terrorist groups who want to over through a Dictator that oppresses their people... or some times they back them as they have a simular interest or Goal...

A good examples of Terrorist backing is the USA's Backing of the IRA:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army

(There's lots of reading in the link, but scroll down to Support from other countries and organisations

In my eyes for America to take on this role when they have funded and help train factions through-out history is fairly Hypocritical...  Some times I know working with Terrorist was a good way of building a stroger force and using a terrorists network and knowledge of the country can give the upperhand in combat... like the support the USA gave the Taliban against Russia...

Some times over throwing a Terrorist faction could result in more hate from the people of the country... its very easy to be seen as an enemy if you take away a countries glimmer of hope that a terrorist faction can give, there by fueling future terrorist cells...

I wish the War on Terror every sucsess, but some times taking out the peoples private army may have to backed with removing the problem thats causing the up-set like the leader of that nation... do that too often and your going to look like your policing the world and may get branded Nartzi... Or people may start liking your leader to Hitler, or making faulse claims / miss-trusting or even wanting to topple them for abuse of power...

I find it odd that the FBI's most want terrorist feature mainly Muslims:- http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

I mean the IRA have been blowing the English up for years... and just cuz they have announced they wont any more, some how they have been forgotten about... 

So because of America's past actions we aren't allowed to identify terrorist organizations? To treat the War on Terror as a military operation is a huge mistake, but the general idea of ending terrorist activities throughout the globe isn't.

Terrorist groups aren't just rebels. Terrorists are the ones who blow up bombs in marketplaces and burn villages before raping the women who live there. They aren't brave freedom fighters, they are predators preying on civilians. The NRA was a terrorist organization because they blew up car in cities. Hezbollah might have been freedom fighters when Israel was occupying southern Lebanon but now they are terrorists because they fire rockets into Israeli settlements. The reason so many terrorist groups are Muslim is because terrorist tactics are extremely popular in Muslim countries (almost all of which are third world nations), not because the US government is racist.

To expand on Jesus Hitler's points, make sure to read about guerillas on Wikipedia. Because guerilla (= freedom fighter) != terrorist.
Examples! Viet Cong, the Taliban in the Afghanistani-Soviet War, the Sandinistas of Nicaragua, the militias currently combatting Coalition troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc.

Also, as JH said, the military operations is only one facet of the War on Terror. I can give you some examples of non-military operations (operations other than war) conducted by the military and other organisations, such as Operation Enduring Freedom-Philippines. Of course, there's also a good deal of politics, police work, etc.

To expand on Jesus Hitler's points, make sure to read about guerillas on Wikipedia. Because guerilla (= freedom fighter) != terrorist.
Examples! Viet Cong, Al-Qaeda in the Afghanistani-Soviet War,

Fixed.

I would like to point out that at that point in time Al-Qaeda were freedom fighters, since they fought an opposing army (Soviet invasion forces) in a successful attempt to defend Afghanistan. They became terrorists later, when their activities were not directed towards military targets but civilian ones.

All very vaild points... I am not trying to tarnish America in this thread... I just think if there is to be a War on Terror it needs to be more Global, I know it has much backing, I just wish a different country other than America would take the front seat... Not being funny or trying to up-set any one, but I think more tact and proffesionalisum should go into a War on Terror, its a very clever War... Its not all about who has the biggest guns, Iraq proved that... In theory the War on Terror is a good one, carrying out could escalte into some thing ugly and the first people to start throwing the punches will be held as the agressor, a War on Terror could turn quickly into an Unholy War in many muslims eyes...

Terrorist are not killers and thats the actually words of a very famous Terrorist, they see them selves as libetators... And the only reason they are marked as Terroists is the UN brands them as such, many terroist factions will state they are not using Terror tactics and don't like being labeled in the way that they are...

To give a larger picture of the terrorist factions the War on Terror may have to cover see this list:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_groups

Some countries have been trying to stamp out these pockets (terrorist) them-selves but have failed, and doing so only seems to make them stronger... if you go up against a Terrorist group and loose its going to earn them more respect from their people and followers, they will grow in numbers, and they have a passion unlike any most of us could imagine... Should American troops be pulled out of Iraq to early its going to get messy, if they are pulled out too late and they still have no winning situation its going to look worst... I am not sure any thing, not even pride can be pulled back out of Iraq... I feel so sorry for the troops out there they have given it there all with poor eqipement and support... there thoughts on the War have fallen on deaf ears...

I am not trying to BIG up terrorist or how they go about things, what I am saying is for years we have supported and helped them grow, we have used them... In effect abused them... we have then hurt their people or changed the rules and gone back on words... There can be many reasons why people feel wronged... Read how Bin Larden feals and you will see what I mean, Try and see him as a fellow country man, Prentend your a Muslim for a mo... he is an intelligent person, may be more so than some heads of state:- http://english.aljazeera.net/news/archive/archive?ArchiveId=7403

Most leaders of these factions are very influential and intelligent people, and they will exploit every avenue to turn your attacks against you and use their own to their advantage...I don't know the best way to beat a Terrorist faction, I mean the 1st Rule is you don't negotiate with Terrorists... So if you can't talk to em, or Ignore them, that pretty much leaves killing them as the only option... and thats when the visous circle starts again... Terrorists are not just the factions you see with the Guns they are the People, they are an Ideal, until the people change the factions will always be re-plenished...

The ONLY way to win would be to leave nothing, no people with views or Ideals of thouse of the Terrorist, but thats Genicide...

I just think if there is to be a War on Terror it needs to be more Global

It is, though, y'know, since terrorism itself is global.

I think more tact and proffesionalisum should go into a War on Terror, its a very clever War... Its not all about who has the biggest guns, Iraq proved that...

Uh, there's quite a bit of professionalism in the War on Terror, despite certain hindrances such as overbureacracy, but that exists nearly everywhere. Also, no one said it's about the biggest guns. The point is combining well-trained troops and technology that can coordinate fire from missiles, artillery, etc.

In theory the War on Terror is a good one, carrying out could escalte into some thing ugly and the first people to start throwing the punches will be held as the agressor, a War on Terror could turn quickly into an Unholy War in many muslims eyes...

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Terrorist are not killers and thats the actually words of a very famous Terrorist, they see them selves as libetators...

So does pretty much every militia/military and their people. Doesn't mean it's true.

Some countries have been trying to stamp out these pockets (terrorist) them-selves but have failed, and doing so only seems to make them stronger... if you go up against a Terrorist group and loose its going to earn them more respect from their people and followers, they will grow in numbers, and they have a passion unlike any most of us could imagine...

So you're suggesting letting them do their terrorist thing then? Even the ones that bomb office buildings, set mines on public roads that blow up schoolbuses, terrorise populations into submission, etc.?

what I am saying is for years we have supported and helped them grow, we have used them...

Sigh.

Most leaders of these factions are very influential and intelligent people, and they will exploit every avenue to turn your attacks against you and use their own to their advantage...

And we will do the same to them.

I don't know the best way to beat a Terrorist faction, I mean the 1st Rule is you don't negotiate with Terrorists... So if you can't talk to em, or Ignore them, that pretty much leaves killing them as the only option... and thats when the visous circle starts again... Terrorists are not just the factions you see with the Guns they are the People, they are an Ideal, until the people change the factions will always be re-plenished...

In my opinion, the best way is a combination of police/military work, negotiations with other nations and groups, and psychological warfare (tried very successfully in the Philippines!)

The ONLY way to win would be to leave nothing, no people with views or Ideals of thouse of the Terrorist, but thats Genicide...

When I rule the world I'm going to bind my people with the common threat, the hindrance to the advancing of all mankind- Arabs.

I was American.

But were do they get the right to change an entire country? America had the right to destroy Iraq, not own it.

When looking at war you cannot try to justify in any way. The only mentality is it just has to be done. While even though there is no chance the States could take any form of terrorism sitting down ( even though they may be the direct blame ), does it truly give them the authority to claim a country when they are in the most powerful ( and apparently Intelligent ) position?

This message is the same to Missionaries: IT IS FUCKING IMMORAL TO CHANGE AND MANIPULATE CULTERS LESS DEVELPOED THEN YOU.

I have no problem with War, Any War, I love it. Just don't try to justify it.

Btw, LoS, forgot to mention how funny I think it is that you were OK with the genocide in North Korea.

But were do they get the right to change an entire country? America had the right to destroy Iraq, not own it.

It'd be better to destroy Iraq then set up a puppet government?

When looking at war you cannot try to justify in any way.

Actually, you can.

IT IS FUCKING IMMORAL TO CHANGE AND MANIPULATE CULTERS LESS DEVELPOED THEN YOU.

Who defines morality? Also, missionaries don't see themselves and changing and manipulating cultures so much as 'bringing them the Word of God so that they may know Christ and go to Heaven when they kick the bucket' or whatever bullshit.

]I have no problem with War, Any War, I love it. Just don't try to justify it.

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Also, will you stop with these colours? They're annoying and don't serve to convey your meaning any better.

I  like  colours. To make that statement you can't type any bold, highlights or smileys without looking like a hypocritical bitch. 

Due to the oil situation in Iraq, it's making America look like whores. If they had just crushed their nation it would have looked like simple retaliation.

Right and Wrong do not exist, so morality doesn't either. Because it can't be defined, and using our societies current view point of being "Good" decent people, it's proper to leave things alone. If your not intelligent, and no one really is, then you should make the less destructive choice.

Edit: Until we admit we're all Evil, you can't justify war because there are always other more pacifistic choices. America's a Christian country, they chose that image and they have to stick with it. Separation of religion and state my ass.

To make that statement you can't type any bold, highlights or smileys without looking like a hypocritical bitch. 

Bold, highlights, and emoticons are different and less obnoxious.

Due to the oil situation in Iraq, it's making America look like whores. If they had just crushed their nation it would have looked like simple retaliation.

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Oil is just one facet of the war in Iraq, and not one of the War on Terror. It would have been easier and more profitable to strike a deal with Saddam for oil. Furthermore, nation destroying is bad PR.

Until we admit we're all Evil

Evil doesn't exist.

you can't justify war because there are always other more pacifistic choices.

That's not true. Often war really is the best or even the only way to solve a perceived problem, examples being the Revolutionary War, World War II, etc.

Evil doesn't exist.

Yes, I believe I'm the one who said that. But your wrong, evil and good don't exist as pre existing ideals, but they are points of views making them exist as culturally changing notions. They exist, they just have no pre-drawn boundaries.

The problems I have with the War on terror is fighting it may only make it stronger... if you remove the problem that the factions have then may be the faction will dispand...?

So why not look at why the terrorists attack their targets... say the London bombings for example... The English helped back the War in Iraq and countless inocent people died... this up set a fair few people world over (Muslims mainly) Some born in England felt their people had been unlawfully targeted and tried to show the English public what blown appart inocent people look like... An Eye for an Eye if you like... So if we didn't back the Iraq conflict it may never of ended up on our door steps. But another way of handling things after the bombings I think we should have deported every direct family member back to Iraq, liquidated all of their assest, like their homes and cars and used that money to pay some of the compensation to the families who lost some one that day.

Terror shouldn't be tollerated, but I think it should be tackled in your own country rather than galivanting across the globe to tackle it.  Tighten security and set up a new law, for terrorists caught and detained, what ever their aim they get the death penalty, if they are in the street starting campaigns of hate, if they have a WEB site insighting hate in the aim to recruit extreamists within a state... Send a message to all terrorist fight your aims from home, come here and DIE !!!

Complying with the terrorists is the worst idea I've ever heard.

But your wrong, evil and good don't exist as pre existing ideals, but they are points of views making them exist as culturally changing notions. They exist, they just have no pre-drawn boundaries.

I wanted to say that before I read your post.
That's totally correct. Good and Evil are only points of views. Somebody who steals something to eat is considered "evil", because stealing is evil. But that person could have died if he didn't. He was mere trying to survive. That's doesn't make him evil, but stealing is evil, so it's just the point of view.

Even many Puritans think that stealing for survival isn't evil.
Or at least that's what they told me when I asked why Aladdin was stealing!!

Complying with the terrorists is the worst idea I've ever heard.

It's not complying, it's understanding them... Terrorists want to be heard for a reason, I am saying hear them out.

Some times intervention / Action is needed in terrorist activeties like the 9/11 incident, but I think rather than go over to Iraq and fight the War there, I think we should have held Bin Lardens Family captive until he surrenderd rather than flying them out, may be told him every 48 hours that pass with out his surrender would result in one of his family being ex-communicated and place in Antartica and stopped from ever returning to the country and the sale of a Family home (Or go one step further and put them to death), once he surrenderd then execute him, Fight Terror with Terror,  but on your own terms.

But its like I said Terrorist are made by and for the people, should a terrorist die there will be another in replcement that follows the same ideals as the terrorist, terroists can't be defeated unless the ideal is taken out of the mixture...

For Example:- A state that is being oppressed and moved by a neighbouring state through gradual occupation, the state being occupuied forms a small malitia and then uses drastic action to stop the occupation by showing their aggression by hitting those in the occupied area, rather than attacking head on with the neighbouring state as they would get wipped out... SO they Bomb area's that used to be under their own rule... (Terrorists, Yes...? Or defenders of their own way of life ?)... Now the only reason these terrorists are taking action is cuz of the occupation of their soil from a forgin body... Correct ?... So why was it OK for a Neighbouring state to attempt that... it should have been stopped before it got that far... so why not assist in relocating those wrongly occupying the area, and the if the Terrorist cell do not dispand give them say 3 months to declare a downing of arms or they will be forced to by an Armed force allocated by the UN...

Terrorists should be Disarmed and Dispanded rather than destroyed, destroying them will add to the fuel, it will make others become terrorist, it will make the terrorist marters and the people whom destroyed them the Terrorist enemy and the countries enemy...

I know every example differs and not all situations are so simple... I am think of Irland while writting the above... If we moved all the English back to England or a Majority back, it could even be gradual... Strike a deal with Irland that every family moved gets a grant funded by the downing of arms, so every time say 100 Families move back a certain weight of Weapons get destroyed... like Trade off's... Peace in exchange for peace... Each family gets a grant towards setting up a new life in England paid for what would normally fund a War.

But your wrong, evil and good don't exist as pre existing ideals, but they are points of views making them exist as culturally changing notions. They exist, they just have no pre-drawn boundaries.

I wanted to say that before I read your post.
That's totally correct. Good and Evil are only points of views. Somebody who steals something to eat is considered "evil", because stealing is evil. But that person could have died if he didn't. He was mere trying to survive. That's doesn't make him evil, but stealing is evil, so it's just the point of view.

Yay! * Pats himself on back *. Oh I stole your Avatar and put it on my mom's computer desktop. lol. I love it. BTW you should change the caption to:
" What do you mean New Star Wars sucks?!?!?!?! "

landofshadows: Nice ideas, but just like comunism, I don't see them working in the real world. Very good point about making marters though.

Some times intervention / Action is needed in terrorist activeties like the 9/11 incident, but I think rather than go over to Iraq and fight the War there,

The invasion of Iraq was not part of an anti-terrorist campaign.

I think we should have held Bin Lardens Family captive until he surrenderd rather than flying them out, may be told him every 48 hours that pass with out his surrender would result in one of his family being ex-communicated and place in Antartica and stopped from ever returning to the country and the sale of a Family home (Or go one step further and put them to death), once he surrenderd then execute him, Fight Terror with Terror,  but on your own terms.

Are you fucking serious with this shit? Take people hostage because of who they're related to? The bin Laden family has gone to a lot of trouble to distance themselves from Osama. Also, you have to be the most inconsistent fuck I have ever encountered. It's okay if North Koreans commit genocide but the amount of gun deaths in the US is atrocious, and now we should try to understand the terrorists while using terrorist tactics ourselves?

But its like I said Terrorist are made by and for the people, should a terrorist die there will be another in replcement that follows the same ideals as the terrorist, terroists can't be defeated unless the ideal is taken out of the mixture...

No shit.

For Example:- A state that is being oppressed and moved by a neighbouring state through gradual occupation, the state being occupuied forms a small malitia and then uses drastic action to stop the occupation by showing their aggression by hitting those in the occupied area, rather than attacking head on with the neighbouring state as they would get wipped out... SO they Bomb area's that used to be under their own rule... (Terrorists, Yes...? Or defenders of their own way of life ?)...

How the fuck are your hypothetical terrorisstss defending their way of life? They aren't attacking the enemy in any way, because they're attacking their own fucking cities!

Now the only reason these terrorists are taking action is cuz of the occupation of their soil from a forgin body... Correct ?... So why was it OK for a Neighbouring state to attempt that... it should have been stopped before it got that far... so why not assist in relocating those wrongly occupying the area, and the if the Terrorist cell do not dispand give them say 3 months to declare a downing of arms or they will be forced to by an Armed force allocated by the UN...

Fighting terrorists will never work, so we're going to count to three and if they don't urrender we're going to... fight them anyway? Anyway, who said thtat all terrorism stems from foriegn occupation? There are plenty of terrorists who terrorize their home country, or go to another country to terrorize them.

Terrorists should be Disarmed and Dispanded rather than destroyed, destroying them will add to the fuel, it will make others become terrorist, it will make the terrorist marters and the people whom destroyed them the Terrorist enemy and the countries enemy...

 don't see how destroying a terrorist organization will create a new one. The sasme thing would happen if a terrorist group disarmed and disbanded (you know, was destroyed): it would create a power vacuum and if the culture of the people has not changed then a new group will spring up in it place. Not because of the older group's martytdom, but because in certain countries is seen as a way to get what you want and i more effecting than voting.

I know every example differs and not all situations are so simple... I am think of Irland while writting the above... If we moved all the English back to England or a Majority back, it could even be gradual... Strike a deal with Irland that every family moved gets a grant funded by the downing of arms, so every time say 100 Families move back a certain weight of Weapons get destroyed... like Trade off's... Peace in exchange for peace... Each family gets a grant towards setting up a new life in England paid for what would normally fund a War.

Holy shit.

It's not complying, it's understanding them... Terrorists want to be heard for a reason, I am saying hear them out.

Yes... it is. Also, I've already mentioned it's better just to attempt and erode their fanbase by diverting their affection towards legitimate governments and all that good stuff.

but I think rather than go over to Iraq and fight the War there

Iraq had practically nothing to do with terrorism, has this not been said many times? Do you have a learning disorder as well as dyslexia?

I think we should have held Bin Lardens Family captive until he surrenderd rather than flying them out, may be told him every 48 hours that pass with out his surrender would result in one of his family being ex-communicated and place in Antartica and stopped from ever returning to the country and the sale of a Family home (Or go one step further and put them to death), once he surrenderd then execute him, Fight Terror with Terror,  but on your own terms.

So we should strike civilian targets, too?

But its like I said Terrorist are made by and for the people, should a terrorist die there will be another in replcement that follows the same ideals as the terrorist, terroists can't be defeated unless the ideal is taken out of the mixture...

Yes they can. Prime examples include the ETA in Basque, PIRA in Ireland. Has nationalism died out? There's also reduced Islamic terrorism in the Moro lands of the southern Philippines, but there's still Islam (radical and not).

For Example:- A state that is being oppressed and moved by a neighbouring state through gradual occupation, the state being occupuied forms a small malitia and then uses drastic action to stop the occupation by showing their aggression by hitting those in the occupied area, rather than attacking head on with the neighbouring state as they would get wipped out... SO they Bomb area's that used to be under their own rule... (Terrorists, Yes...? Or defenders of their own way of life ?)... Now the only reason these terrorists are taking action is cuz of the occupation of their soil from a forgin body... Correct ?...

The more sensible thing to do in this situation would be to wage a guerilla war, as is being done in Iraq, was done in the Philippines when the US occuppied it after the Spanish-American War, was done in the Indochinese War, etc.

if the Terrorist cell do not dispand give them say 3 months to declare a downing of arms or they will be forced to by an Armed force allocated by the UN...

Hasn't the UN solved like, only one problem in the world through armed force? They're pretty good at causing fiascos in their interventions.

Terrorists should be Disarmed and Dispanded rather than destroyed, destroying them will add to the fuel, it will make others become terrorist, it will make the terrorist marters and the people whom destroyed them the Terrorist enemy and the countries enemy...

Not happening.

If we moved all the English back to England or a Majority back, it could even be gradual... Strike a deal with Irland that every family moved gets a grant funded by the downing of arms, so every time say 100 Families move back a certain weight of Weapons get destroyed... like Trade off's... Peace in exchange for peace... Each family gets a grant towards setting up a new life in England paid for what would normally fund a War.

I hate mass relocations and population expulsions almost as much as genocides.

Iraq had practically nothing to do with terrorism, has this not been said many times? Do you have a learning disorder as well as dyslexia?

Oh... No wonder you didn't find Bin Larden, if you have very little of Idea of the whole of the Al-Qaeda network:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq

(I Have never corrected you as I didn't want to make you look like a Spaz, but as you try to pin on me the title of learning impared or Retard... See the above link)

I hate mass relocations and population expulsions almost as much as genocides.

When Hitler was killing off the Jews I think they preffered being moved than gassed in showers.

Jesus Hitler

You like the word Shit... Well done, in voicing your opinions so well...

My previous post are only suggestions alternatives, and its not like I sat down for a month working them out... Fair enough the Deportation or punishment of the Bin Larden Family is just as stupid as sending in a ground invasion... And thats been pretty much proven
________________________BUT THIS IS WHAT YOUR DOING INSTEAD________________

http://www.rense.com/general70/deathmde.htm (Link for info) [NSFW]

//please don't embed stuff like that, and remember to [NSFW] your links.

DO YOU SEE WHY I HATE THIS WAR YET... !!!!

ARE THESE JUST FACEST OF WAR... R U guys backwards or what ?

Iraq had practically nothing to do with terrorism, has this not been said many times? Do you have a learning disorder as well as dyslexia?

Oh... No wonder you didn't find Bin Larden, if you have very little of Idea of the whole of the Al-Qaeda network:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq

(I Have never corrected you as I didn't want to make you look like a Spaz, but as you try to pin on me the title of learning impared or Retard... See the above link)

You stupid asshole, we were talking about before Iraq's government was destroyed. Iraq had nothing to do with terrorists before it was invaded.

I hate mass relocations and population expulsions almost as much as genocides.

When Hitler was killing off the Jews I think they preffered being moved than gassed in showers.

So you're saying that it would have been okay if the Nazis had taken over Europe and expelled all the non-Germanic people, but not killed them?

Jesus Hitler

You like the word Shit... Well done, in voicing your opinions so well...

Thanks for admitting that my posts are more coherent than yours.

My previous post are only suggestions alternatives, and its not like I sat down for a month working them out... Fair enough the Deportation or punishment of the Bin Larden Family is just as stupid as sending in a ground invasion... And thats been pretty much proven

Trying to defend your stupid ideas by saying that they were off the top of your head won't work because they're still sso incredibly ignorant that I can't imagine an adult human being thinking of them unless they never paid attention to the news.

EDIT: Nice deformed baby pictures, but neither of those are "facets of war". The first is clearly a Harlequin baby and the second is just a random stillborn freak. WHy did you post these and not pictures of people who have actually been maimed by war?

I love this thread as much as my kitten loves sleeping in boxes.
edit- Oh, and those pix have nothing to do with the war. And rense.com is a lolarious site.

Jesus Hitler, last I checked this was in "Intelligent Debate", so maybe you sshould leave if you can't be intelligent about the topic. Offending people dosn't get anyone anywhere.

the second is just a random stillborn freak.

It could of been you. And also stillborn babys look like any other baby except they are born dead.

Oh, and those pix have nothing to do with the war. And rense.com is a lolarious site.

Did you guys even click the link, and see they are URANIUM MUNITIONS, from the conflict...?

Jesus Hitler, last I checked this was in "Intelligent Debate", so maybe you sshould leave if you can't be intelligent about the topic. Offending people dosn't get anyone anywhere.

Cheers for that... Darico ... Not Sure Jesus HItler likes me, he sends me pictures of the KKK stringing up Black People for some reason...

You stupid asshole, we were talking about before Iraq's government was destroyed. Iraq had nothing to do with terrorists before it was invaded.

Iraq Funded many terrorist cells including Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, who then became part and parcel of the Al-Qaeda Network, I thought part of the over throwing of Saddam was to cut the funding to organisations like them... Sorry if I am wrong, No need for the Stupid Asshole line... But either way at least you can see the way the USA handled things has made a terrorist faction help the invaded state and no doubt grown in numbers thanks to the Conflict...

So you're saying that it would have been okay if the Nazis had taken over Europe and expelled all the non-Germanic people, but not killed them?

I am not saying that at all, what I am saying is its a lesser of two evils... Moving the problem or killing off the problem... Its like if some pikey's camped up near me, I wouldn't kill them I would have them moved on... Was it that hard to understand ??

Thanks for admitting that my posts are more coherent than yours.

Thats not what I am saying either... You really like reading between the lines, look closer it says in nice big letters DO ONE...

Trying to defend your stupid ideas by saying that they were off the top of your head won't work because they're still sso incredibly ignorant that I can't imagine an adult human being thinking of them unless they never paid attention to the news.

Just TRY and see things from those in the Middle East, and how bad the USA must look, I think the USA has killed more people in the last 20 through arming, supporting and invading than the amount of Allied forces killed in the 2nd World war... I know thats not all down to Bush, but it has some thing to do with Policing the Planet and robbing resources in the process...

EDIT: Nice deformed baby pictures, but neither of those are "facets of war". The first is clearly a Harlequin baby and the second is just a random stillborn freak. WHy did you post these and not pictures of people who have actually been maimed by war?

They are maimed by War... (Oh Sorry for posting the Images, I was Angry, I was being nice and Jesus Hitler and gonorrhoea are both being fairly offensive)... Dyslexia is a Learning disorder (see bottom of this post)

Here is a none Lolarious site:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/2860759.stm

And another:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

Oh and one more:- http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Depleted-Uranium.htm [NSFW]

Here's a link for those who like printing stuff out to read while on the loo:- http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/printer_122006R.shtml

(gonorrhoea & Jesus Hitler )

So I take it that you think the War on Terror is going pretty well the way its going now then ?... If not how do you think it should be done ?

And if you do think its going well, what parts have gone well, apart from the Phillipeans ?

What is Dyslexia?
Dyslexia is a brain-based type of learning disability that specifically impairs a person's ability to read. These individuals typically read at levels significantly lower than expected despite having normal intelligence. Although the disorder varies from person to person, common characteristics among people with dyslexia are difficulty with phonological processing (the manipulation of sounds) and/or rapid visual-verbal responding.

Thats why I took offence... http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/dyslexia/dyslexia.htm They are too quick to judge, without knowing enough first... My case effects the way I see letters when joined in sentances, I can't read correctly, I miss words and lines of text, as I don't read much I tend to spell things as they sound, but Dyslexia also is an inbalance of the brain that causes sounds to become confussed... SO I can't spell or read right...

Here is a none Lolarious site:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/2860759.stm

All types of radiation and solid radiation can cause cancer. Even standing infront of the microwave.

Just TRY and see things from those in the Middle East, and how bad the USA must look, I think the USA has killed more people in the last 20 through arming, supporting and invading than the amount of Allied forces killed in the 2nd World war... I know thats not all down to Bush, but it has some thing to do with Policing the Planet and robbing resources in the process...

I dont think its that bad...

Also the USA look bad in europe to most people as we think (not saying if it is or not true) USA went in for the oil and the "War on terror" was just a cover up. But, either way, britian is suppose to be pulling out as we our lowing the number of armed forces.