Saddam thread

Heard of an IQ test before ?... does that ask you to spell stuff, or write a book...?? My brain doesn't function the same way as others I am more creative rather than literal... I would have done great in Japan, they Draw Words and paragraphs with simple symbols, I could be famous for my Caligraphy over there... May be...LOL 

It doesn't necessarily detract from your intellectual abilities in totally unrelated fields (for lack of a better word), but it definitely makes you look very dumb and shows you have incapacities in certain fields.

So what was the point in over throwing Saddam if you agree the country wouldn't get much better who ever you place in leadership...

The point was to eliminate an enemy to the US and potential threat to world peace, or so the logic was. Again, I don't agree that the Iraqi invasion was necessary or even a good idea, but that's irrelevant.

and on that same note if that was pointless over throwing him and no weapons had been found then doesn't that make the amount of US troops that died a meaningless death...?

No. The war was pointless, yes, but that people died there is just an facet of war and doesn't quite equate to murder.

I think right now Bush is a little stuck as to what to do in the Iraq conflict...

I think everyone is.

We will see what happens in the next few months and see what sort of fall does happen once the US troops are withdrawn, then we will see what a difference killing Saddam has made to Iraq... I doubt they will have another poll to elect a new leader without US troops there... So I guess the person who is the mostpower-full will take the stand...

Relevancy?

Yeah your answer was he needs them for self defence... Doesn't change the FACT its ILLEGAL Though does it... They should be destroyed and Bush or whom ever responciple punished... Again Hang him...LOL... http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/4087

And UN says what?

LOL, LOL, LOL... Or Else...? LOL, LOL, LOL... You take these rants WAY too seriously...

Figured it was a good idea, seeing as this is a debate.

Oh.. and whats furry porn ?... And I have my OWN house, yes I own one... worth £105,000.00 So Blah... And I love conspiracy theories... The whole of the X-files was one after the other... Conspiracy theories Good Head food !!!

...What?
Google furry porn, by the way.

Saddam's Hench men are next to face the courts... Do you think they will be hanged ?

Maybe!

And did all those featured on the cards get killed or captured, how many are at large still...

Your point?

For instance, the fact that his wife and mistress both said that it wasnt saddam that the government had in custody, rather one of the lookalikes.

That doesn't mean anything though.

Also the small fact that saddam's teeth were nearly perfectly aligned in older photos and videos of him, yet the person they show in captivity has misaligned, crooked teeth.

Many people believe the most fun part of lynching is beating the victim before and sometimes after hanging him.

furry porn... How the heck did you hear of that tat... its like Thundercats gone wrong...LOL

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For instance, the fact that his wife and mistress both said that it wasnt saddam that the government had in custody, rather one of the lookalikes.

gonorrhoea

That doesn't mean anything though.

Yeah cuz he WIFE doesn't know him from Adam...LOL

Many people believe the most fun part of lynching is beating the victim before and sometimes after hanging him.

And the other reason could be it's NOT him... Cuz if your theory is right most of his bloods in his head and to move his teeth like that would mean lots of blood... or did they conviently wash that away... Flash, loves the jobs you hate...

It doesn't necessarily detract from your intellectual abilities in totally unrelated fields (for lack of a better word), but it definitely makes you look very dumb and shows you have incapacities in certain fields.

Tell that to good old Albert Einstein he had issues simular to my own... Not saying I am a Genius, but I have a pretty good IQ scrore of 128...

I don't agree that the Iraqi invasion was necessary or even a good idea, but that's irrelevant.

So then the American soliders that lost their lives did so for what reason...? And who sent them to an Early Grave for that Reason...? Sorry but you call me Dumb yet you Contridicted your-self massively... *Now put that Cone shaped hat on and sit in the Coner, Yep that hat with the D on it !!!*...LOL

I think everyone is.

Apart from the Terrorists who are LOVING it... They are getting target pratice at the Americans... And the Americans are shooting the English and other Americans... So... Well... Blah, I can't be asked with this debate any more its a JOKE... you just have no Common Sense or Logic, your blinded by a Big Stripy star filled flag and Goat of a leader...LOL

Relevancy?

Time,,, I bet will show Nothing the USA has done in Iraq has amounted to much... it will still be Iraq and have the same issues as it had before except there will be a Few New Oil pumps there with made in the USA on them... LOL

And UN says what?

You tell me, what do they Say ?... The W E A P O N S are ILLEGAL... Illegal Equals B A D... Can you say M A S S D E S T R U C T I O N... LOL

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And did all those featured on the cards get killed or captured, how many are at large still...

Your point?

Is America going to go looking in holes for the rest of them before they pull the troops out of Iraq...?  If not then how many Goals did the USA obtain in this War, did you win or Loose thats why I ask... Also I was trying to get back on Topic and stop have hissy fights with you...

Look I am Impartial as I am not from the USA I have no reason to say all of this, I live in England... I have nothing to gain... The reason I do is I feel the WAR was wrong, thats my personal View, and I think nothing the War has done will change any thing. Saddam was bad but lets see what happens in thenext few years... I see another Pol Pot type situationn happening,God, I hope I am wrong...

I use the LOL when answering you as it's Laughable at how blinkerd you are...

I am not going to post to any more stuff America related... As I am starting to dislike my self for typing some of this more and more... This aint me... But boy are some of you guys stubborn, not whilling to look at all options, all sides of the story, but then again your Hospitals aint full of kids with legs and arms blown off... and there just Facest of War... NICE !!!

Was a Two min Video of Saddam Hanging worth such a slanted view of the USA...?

I respected the USA when I was younger... That's lost...

furry porn... How the heck did you hear of that tat... its like Thundercats gone wrong...LOL

Part of getting broken into the Internet.

Yeah cuz he WIFE doesn't know him from Adam...LOL

People can't lie anymore?

And the other reason could be it's NOT him... Cuz if your theory is right most of his bloods in his head and to move his teeth like that would mean lots of blood... or did they conviently wash that away... Flash, loves the jobs you hate...

Perhaps! Maybe they ducked him in water or some shit, not necessarily 'wash' per se. I don't see the logic in jumping to the conclusion that's a lookalike because his teeth ain't as pretty as they used to be, though.

So then the American soliders that lost their lives did so for what reason...? And who sent them to an Early Grave for that Reason...? Sorry but you call me Dumb yet you Contridicted your-self massively... *Now put that Cone shaped hat on and sit in the Coner, Yep that hat with the D on it !!!*...LOL

You totally missed the point.

Apart from the Terrorists who are LOVING it... They are getting target pratice at the Americans... And the Americans are shooting the English and other Americans...

My apologies, I meant on our side.

So... Well... Blah, I can't be asked with this debate any more its a JOKE... you just have no Common Sense or Logic, your blinded by a Big Stripy star filled flag and Goat of a leader...LOL

I am neither nationalistic or a fan of Bush. So, not really!

Time,,, I bet will show Nothing the USA has done in Iraq has amounted to much... it will still be Iraq and have the same issues as it had before except there will be a Few New Oil pumps there with made in the USA on them... LOL

I meant relevancy to the discussion at hand- Saddam.

You tell me, what do they Say ?... The W E A P O N S are ILLEGAL... Illegal Equals B A D... Can you say M A S S D E S T R U C T I O N... LOL

My question hasn't been answered yet.

Is America going to go looking in holes for the rest of them before they pull the troops out of Iraq...?  If not then how many Goals did the USA obtain in this War, did you win or Loose thats why I ask... Also I was trying to get back on Topic and stop have hissy fights with you...

We haven't won. But we haven't quite lost, either. It's too early to decide, anyways.

I see another Pol Pot type situationn happening,God, I hope I am wrong...

And why is that?

I use the LOL when answering you as it's Laughable at how blinkerd you are...

British slang makes me lawl.

But boy are some of you guys stubborn, not whilling to look at all options, all sides of the story

Yes, I have. And this is the conclusion I came to. If I agreed with you would that mean I'm more enlightened and have looked at all sides of the story?

but then again your Hospitals aint full of kids with legs and arms blown off... and there just Facest of War... NICE !!!

God forbid the horror of war!

I respected the USA when I was younger... That's lost...

Aww!

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I've already addressed this in the now locked North Korea thread.

Yeah your answer was he needs them for self defence... Doesn't change the FACT its ILLEGAL Though does it... They should be destroyed and Bush or whom ever responciple punished... Again Hang him...LOL... http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/4087

My question hasn't been answered yet.

I didn't mention the UN in the thing about USA illegal Arms... The only time I have mentioned the UN was about the War taking place... So why do I need to Answer what do the UN think ?... I am not a member...

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I see another Pol Pot type situationn happening,God, I hope I am wrong...

gonorrhoea

And why is that?

He started mass Geniside and killed about 3 million people... Say if the Terrorists take over Iraq, I mean they have the largest army and the police there wont be any match then the Terrorists will then be leaders of a Nation and their views heard much clearer by many of their own people, they will grow and so will there ideals... and the fact the Hospitals are full of Limb less kids also adds to that, they can use that to help spawn the hate towards the USA... So over throwing Saddam and fighting Terror

Over Trowing Saddam = If you got the right one well done... But who will take his place and will they be any better, the new guy just handed in his cards...

Fighting Terror = Well you gave the factions CIA training then sent in a load of Jarheads that shoot more of their own than they do the enemy, you blew up shed loads of inocent people, things that will never be forgotten to those people... All you have done is make the threat of Terror greater...

Yes, I have. And this is the conclusion I came to. If I agreed with you would that mean I'm more enlightened and have looked at all sides of the story?

Both sides of the story...

American = The towers fall from an Act of Terror started by a Fall out that the Bushes caused with Bin-Larden... Enraged and feeling there must be retrobution, against the UN council Wishes they declare War against Terror and that also some how envloves over throwing Saddam... They send loads of Troops over after Bombing the heck out of Iraq and then skulk around in the desert securing Oil Fields... They then go looking for the Terrorist who know the attacks coming and have dug them selves well into secure locations on higher ground than the attacking force... Appache Gun Ships are getting shot down by famers, American's are shooting Unarmed people including an English News reporter who was unarmed in a car clearly marked... But the find a Saddam look alike hold him captive just encase they don't find the real Saddam... Once they see only a loss coming out of Iraq they suddenly find Saddam in a hole in the middle of know where... Odd, but strangers things have happened, liked the planes that hit the towers look nothing like the planes that took off that morrning...

Iraq = A country that is full of death, people being executed on day time TV, Terrorist factions running most of what goes on... A country run by a Man that oppresses his people and makes them disapear if they don't go along with his rule... A Man who killed thousands in the name of his ideals... A country that couldn't get much worst until the Americans bombed it... So all the people of Iraq that have all ready been persicuted and neglected for years have now been blown to shite by those claiming to be wanting to help them... And once the help gets there and some level of order starts Americans then give them the freedom of choice and hold a Ballet to vote a new leader, some thing NOT welcomed by most as they have always had regeems that take control, so some of the most power-full people in Iraq are mad... And hold a great sway in the supply of arms to terrorist and rebel like factions...

All this would have been easy to fore-see... some countries are beyond help... only the people of the country can change their ways, it can't be forced... The War was lost before it started... You can't fight terror in a populated area of pertentail recruits... Thats how I see it...

FuMannChu - LMAO... you truely are bonkers... But thats why I like you !!!

Fair enough, I retire from all USA, War & History debates... or at least I wont post more than One Para hows that

And I have my OWN house, yes I own one... worth £105,000.00 So Blah...

Okay, so it's pretty obvious that you're full of shit. Why even bother lying?

Tell that to good old Albert Einstein he had issues simular to my own... Not saying I am a Genius, but I have a pretty good IQ scrore of 128...

Einstein probably wasn't dyslexic, and IQ scores are completely worthless.

Look I am Impartial as I am not from the USA I have no reason to say all of this, I live in England... I have nothing to gain... The reason I do is I feel the WAR was wrong, thats my personal View, and I think nothing the War has done will change any thing. Saddam was bad but lets see what happens in thenext few years... I see another Pol Pot type situationn happening,God, I hope I am wrong...

Once again you show how full of shit you are. You are so incredibly biased and distrustful of the United States that you can't even admit that Saddam Hussein was executed and not a double.

My House - I am 27, and a House in Englands Average going rate is £100 thousand... its a 3 Bedroomed X-council house in Blackthorn, Northampton...

IQ scores are completely worthless - ...LOL tell that to Mensa:- http://www.mensa.org.uk/

Einstein probably wasn't dyslexic - He was said to be, along with a fair few other famous people...

Saddam Hussein - Hope they did get the right one... but what if they have not, he had about 10 doubles so whats the chance you have one of em, 9/10... its kind of hard not to doubt it (the chances are higher that you have the wrong one than you have the right one)... Sorry... When was the last time I have been given a Reason to trust America or any goverment for that matter, they are all currupt...

To be Honest Jesus Hitler I am past carring... What do I care what you think of me or these topic's...

I didn't mention the UN in the thing about USA illegal Arms... The only time I have mentioned the UN was about the War taking place... So why do I need to Answer what do the UN think ?... I am not a member...

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He started mass Geniside and killed about 3 million people... Say if the Terrorists take over Iraq, I mean they have the largest army and the police there wont be any match then the Terrorists will then be leaders of a Nation and their views heard much clearer by many of their own people, they will grow and so will there ideals... and the fact the Hospitals are full of Limb less kids also adds to that, they can use that to help spawn the hate towards the USA... So over throwing Saddam and fighting Terror

The only way this could happen is if the US withdrew prematurely.

Fighting Terror = Well you gave the factions CIA training then sent in a load of Jarheads that shoot more of their own than they do the enemy,

Since when?
Oh, and refrain from derogatory terms, I don't call the Brits chavs or Iraqis sand niggers, I expect the same from you.

you blew up shed loads of inocent people

So did the enemy. It's called collateral damage, and is indeed horrible but quite unavoidable.

All you have done is make the threat of Terror greater...

I actually have to agree here, since there really wasn't that much of a threat of terrorism before Saddam was overthrown.

American = <synopsis of the Iraq invasion>

Wrong. Iraq didn't have much to do with the WTC.

They send loads of Troops ... in the desert securing Oil Fields...

Perhaps because otherwise the enemy could set fire to them, like in Kuwait. Although, of course, gaining control of them was always nifty for the West's fuel appetite.

They then go looking for the Terrorist who know the attacks coming and have dug them selves well into secure locations on higher ground than the attacking force...

Are you talking about Iraq or Afghanistan?

Appache Gun Ships are getting shot down by famers

No they aren't. They're getting shot down by enemy combatants disguised as farmers (or who may otherwise be farmers).

American's are shooting Unarmed people including an English News reporter who was unarmed in a car clearly marked...

Yeah, but innocent, unarmed people die in every war. Also, the US troops are much better at selective fire than many other militaries, including the militias currently in Iraq (this is, not to say, perfect, of course, but they are human).

But the find a Saddam look alike hold him captive just encase they don't find the real Saddam... Once they see only a loss coming out of Iraq they suddenly find Saddam in a hole in the middle of know where... Odd, but strangers things have happened, liked the planes that hit the towers look nothing like the planes that took off that morrning...

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= A country that is full of death, people being executed on day time TV, Terrorist factions running most of what goes on... A country run by a Man that oppresses his people and makes them disapear if they don't go along with his rule... A Man who killed thousands in the name of his ideals... A country that couldn't get much worst until the Americans bombed it... So all the people of Iraq that have all ready been persicuted and neglected for years have now been blown to shite by those claiming to be wanting to help them... And once the help gets there and some level of order starts Americans then give them the freedom of choice and hold a Ballet to vote a new leader, some thing NOT welcomed by most as they have always had regeems that take control, so some of the most power-full people in Iraq are mad... And hold a great sway in the supply of arms to terrorist and rebel like factions...

What?

All this would have been easy to fore-see... some countries are beyond help... only the people of the country can change their ways, it can't be forced... The War was lost before it started... You can't fight terror in a populated area of pertentail recruits... Thats how I see it...

Untrue! It can be done, it's just very difficult!

Oh, and you are obviously incredibly biased against the United States.

Jarheads = Nick name given To Marines due to their helmets... There was a film made called Jarhead... There's never been a film called Sand Niggers, its Fairly different... Nick names and derogatory terms... Its like me calling a Police officer a Copper Rather than me calling them a PIG... Get me... Nick name... I think a Marine is some one that is proffesional, I wouldn't say thats the case with many Marines you have sent out there, I have seen video's of the recruitment drive and the people they aimed to draft in had been selected from bad area's or poor educated area's... So I call them Jarheads, normal people with a years training at best with hardly any equipment and only just out of college, you call them Marines if you like but thats degrading your Army...

CIA Training was given to the Taliban by your own Goverment, the only reason they went renergade was the Bushes up-set Bin-larden in an oil and money despute...

CIA Training - http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html
(You can find many other links, this one tends to go on a bit)

Bush and Bin Larden Fall out - http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/bin_laden_ties.html

Read why Bin Larden hates America - http://english.aljazeera.net/news/archive/archive?ArchiveId=7403

Your going to just say thats a load of rubbish or some thing, but most of these sites come from America so blame your neighbours...LOL

Jarheads = Nick name given To Marines due to their helmets... There was a film made called Jarhead... There's never been a film called Sand Niggers, its Fairly different... Nick names and derogatory terms... Its like me calling a Police officer a Copper Rather than me calling them a PIG... Get me... Nick name... I think a Marine is some one that is proffesional, I wouldn't say thats the case with many Marines you have sent out there, I have seen video's of the recruitment drive and the people they aimed to draft in had been selected from bad area's or poor educated area's... So I call them Jarheads, normal people with a years training at best with hardly any equipment and only just out of college, you call them Marines if you like but thats degrading your Army...

...Jarhead was written by a former Marine who hated the Marines. And so what if they've been trained only a year? It's quite disciplined training, they can learn quite a bit, get more combat experience, and go back to training, and so on.
Also, how the hell is calling them Marines, a more respectable title, degrading the Army?

CIA Training was given to the Taliban by your own Goverment

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This has been thoroughly addressed several times in the North Korea thread. They were facing invasion from the USSR, so we allied with them to prevent Soviet expansion. Things changed. Big deal. Stop obsessing over it, god.

the only reason they went renergade was the Bushes up-set Bin-larden in an oil and money despute...

I was going to say, 'Nothing like terrorist attacks in America', but you seem fairly certain that 9/11 was staged because of Loose Change.

Your going to just say thats a load of rubbish or some thing, but most of these sites come from America so blame your neighbours...LOL

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...Jarhead was written by a former Marine who hated the Marines. And so what if they've been trained only a year? It's quite disciplined training, they can learn quite a bit, get more combat experience, and go back to training, and so on.
Also, how the hell is calling them Marines, a more respectable title, degrading the Army?

It's like me calling a Skoda a Tank... It's close but not quite there...LOL

Stop obsessing over it, god.

You trained and armed those you now are looking for... What should I make of it ??

staged because of Loose Change.

That and Bush wants to finish what his Dad started... The Oil... And may be other reasons unknown to us... But I am not Certain 9/11 was staged, just going by the Fact Bin Larden says he was not responciple... But wishes he was...

It's like me calling a Skoda a Tank... It's close but not quite there...LOL

Škoda >:|

You trained and armed those you now are looking for... What should I make of it ??

Oh my fucking god. Do you not comprehend the intricacies of the political side of warfare? The US NEEDED the Taliban to fight the Commies in the 1980s, now they're an enemy. Big fucking deal. Change happens, no one expected that. I've said this a dozen times and I'm not repeating myself.

That and Bush wants to finish what his Dad started... The Oil... And may be other reasons unknown to us... But I am not Certain 9/11 was staged, just going by the Fact Bin Larden says he was not responciple... But wishes he was...

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Whatever... At the end of the day USA Help fund a Terrorist Cell, you can't escape that, it happend... Who cares if it was fore-seen or not that one day they would use that very same training to kill your own troops. (<- oh look I used a PERIOD) But they have... Don't care if they helped against Russia, they have always been a very active Terrorist Cell... Bit like the IRA, they have bombed the shite out of the English for years and the USA backed them:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army

The IRA has also received weapons and logistical support from Irish Americans, in the USA especially the NORAID group

You only fight Terrorists when they are against you, otherwise you fund them... HYPPCRITICAL, and darn right bang out of order...

I would like to leave the debate on the War on Terror to one side, may be start a new Thread, cuz this aint the place for it...

ANY WAY BACK TO TOPIC

Blair was on the news last night saying what he thought of the whole affair:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6245651.stm

Blair now set for a few questions into the way Saddam was hanged:-  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6246553.stm

The effects in Iraq from the hanging:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6238435.stm

Bush getting ready to announce the plans for Iraq:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6247047.stm

And how the above stand could turn into a repeat of History:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6245851.stm

(Like I have been saying... and saying well before any of this news got published)

But there is a Statement real link to some Americans talking about the whole state of things... Why isn't Bush as clued up as some of his people... he really is doing you guys no favours...

This topic is giving me a headache.

I had a minute of silence for Saddam last night...

I was going to do it at the bar and ask everyone to join me, but I didn't feel like being ass raped by a bunch of obese bikers.

You have obviously never actually had that happen to you before.

Oh, and even though this topic is some what 'at rest', here goes...

On a final note about genocide, ever heard of a man called Christopher Columbus? I don't recall him hanging from a tree... Heroes and Villains, is there a difference..?

There's a difference? Most of us would consider the Islamic suicide bombers to be 'Villains', but to them, they're Holy warriors of God. How can you define a difference when most, if not all, men in power have both labels?

It's just a point of view, nothing more. If you say you define the good guys and bad guys by what side YOUR on, then that's a little un-enlightened ( not that a Highlander would ever be un-enlightened mind you... ).

Thats the sort of point I was trying to put across... But I used way to many words and Crap analagee's...

But a current I see things in an Americanized way.  The war on terror should continue, or at least the threat of it, to show we wont tolerate it, I just think any one caught in our countries commiting acts of terror should be delt with in a simular fasion to Saddam...

Say if a England born terrorist is caught, like those on trail now, I think if found guilty it should be seen as an act of treason, and I still think for Treason you should be put to death. (In England that is)

Sadamn was the only person holding Iraq together, although only by force and his sheer will. In the end, he did in fact die as he wished, a matyr. A tyrant that could control his empire successfully.

A shame he died, I would have liked to have read his autobiography, as that is what most of the inmates who are in for life do over here in the UK.

I think he also died just because someone had a grudge against him, rather than justice but that is, my opinion.

Is there a reason why my reputation points are going down. I am sure that my posts have been informative and not spamful, although, I could be wrong and if someone could show me and point the way, I would be happy to change my ways.

I was on 80 last friday (I am doing a little experiment, with a MOD)... I have lost half of mine... and my only crime is not thinking like an American.

You was on -27 a few mins ago, now your back on 1...

I think he should have been put to death, the man was forcing his people and their value for life into the ground.  But at the same time, the USA is forcing a change, like their way is the only way of life... I don't think any one nation has the right to police the world.  Fair enough if the people in Iraq took arms against Sadadam then yes give backing to the cause, but not take action before the people had acted them-selves.

At the end of the day, what world leader does not act in their peoples majoritys best interest, NONE... So if the leader is a bad one, than so to are the countries majority... To a degree...

Sure, perspectives are different. Fine. However, murder is still murder. Does it make murder OK if I say 'Oh, well I'm just a freedom fighter.'? Saddam did plenty of that. Also, Columbus  was a dick, there's a reason he was removed as leader of his colony.

LoS, the Iraqi people had been subjugated and repressed by Saddam for decades. The Kurds rebelled once, and they got gassed. I'm sure you can imagine why the Iraqis wouldn't take the initiative.

Is there a reason why my reputation points are going down. I am sure that my posts have been informative and not spamful, although, I could be wrong and if someone could show me and point the way, I would be happy to change my ways.

I believe that would be because you're an idiot.

Sure, perspectives are different. Fine. However, murder is still murder. Does it make murder OK if I say 'Oh, well I'm just a freedom fighter.'? Saddam did plenty of that. Also, Columbus  was a dick, there's a reason he was removed as leader of his colony.

Well according to our men in the Army, uh yeh, it does make it all right. From their P.O.V...
When a country is at War, and a solider kills some one from the other side, is that murder?

Apparently, there are many ways to view this.

The first, the peaceful equaltarianist's view, is that all killing is murder and is wrong.

The second, most common view in america, is that if it is justified, then it isn't killing. So say... Self Defense. However, this would put the U.S.A. in the catergory of murderers, because we initiated the war. However, others could say that we are now defending against insurgents, which is stupid because its only and endless cycle of violence.

The third view, the sadist's view, is that killing is great and we should all die in an orgy of blood.