Agreed.

...This topic should be locked, I think. We're all friends here, and by continuing to post here, everyone is just getting angrier at eachother. We don't need to do this at all, let's just get along with everything and leave this alone. I would hate to see someone end a friendship with someone else because of this topic, of all things.


EDIT: I had a thought just now. Why not make a hidden forum for this type of content? It could be seperate from this forum, and anyone who wanted to visit could ask someone who went there for the address. Those who wanted nothing to do with it could just...not ask.

There's really no point in locking it, because Silver and Yossy can continue to post in locked threads.

We'd possibly (notice I said possibly, as not to ASSUME anything outright) just end up watching them go at it instead of partaking in it ourselves.

Quote from: arrowone on October 24, 2006, 08:53:17 PM
...This topic should be locked, I think. We're all friends here, and by continuing to post here, everyone is just getting angrier at eachother. We don't need to do this at all, let's just get along with everything and leave this alone. I would hate to see someone end a friendship with someone else because of this topic, of all things.

Way to try and play the middle man. You make it sound like I hate Yossy because of what she's saying, which I most definitely don't. I still think she's awesome, and would probably be a really fun person to hang out with if I knew her. I just happen to disagree with her views, and so I argue them.

...NO, no I did NOT. Feel free to take it that way, but no where in that post did I blame this on you. I was refferring to all involved in this "argument".

Hm... a lot has happened while I was gone. I checked in once or twice, but didn't notice anything big like this.

Unfortunately (or fortunately?), I never saw whatever it was that caused the ruckus here, so I'm not sure if I should even state my opinion here, but then again, maybe I can shed a different light on this.

*Trying to cnnect thoughts...*

The fact of the matter is, there is always going to be people offended when material such as this is shown publicly. You yourself may not think there's anything wrong or offensive about it, but others may interpret it differently. Now, like I said I haven't seen whatever it was, so I can't say for myself if it was offensive or not, but I can say apparently it wasn't appropriate for younger members here, at the very least.

Now that I've started this post it's clear that I shouldn't get into it that much, not having been here from the beginning.

I will say, however, that I respect both Yossy and Silverline highly, and I understand each point they've made. They both have excellent arguments (Yes, even Yossy does, for those of you who would disagree) for their side. As Yossy said, removing the image would be in breech of freedom of speech, but likewise, as you know, nudity isn't as offensive in other countries such as England, as it is here in America. But you're not an idiot, you know that, and I know you know that. We could keep going all day about this, but we'll never get anywhere, and the only resolution, I think, is just for one person to give in, and apparently Silverline has maturely done so. (Not to imply you're immature Yossy).

Also, some people here need to lighten up - it is still possible to disagree with someone and still respect them.

Bah, all I seem to be doing is stating the obvious. I don't quite have all my thoughts together just yet.

EDIT: Zypher and arrowone just beat me to that statement pretty much.

Quote from: arrowone on October 24, 2006, 09:18:39 PM
...NO, no I did NOT. Feel free to take it that way, but no where in that post did I blame this on you. I was refferring to all involved in this "argument".

I didn't say you were blaming this on me. I just said no one's going to truly hate anyone else because of this.

Something I think everyone has overlooked though:

How many times have you seen Yossy in an argument here? I haven't ever, not any serious ones like this anyway. Obviously she must feel strongly about it, and although some of us might not understand why exactly, we should respect that.

Quote from: Zypher on October 24, 2006, 09:27:21 PM

Quote from: arrowone on October 24, 2006, 09:18:39 PM
...NO, no I did NOT. Feel free to take it that way, but no where in that post did I blame this on you. I was refferring to all involved in this "argument".

I didn't say you were blaming this on me. I just said no one's going to truly hate anyone else because of this.

They shouldn't anyway...

I saw the image and I really don't understand what is so offensive or insulting. Yossy already said it wasn't about porn or nudity, so what exactly is it about?

Taking the fact that it is a nude person so lightly I suppose. There is something about that that is sort of...I dunno. Nudity evokes certain emotions, and to have it out in the open like that sort of takes away from those feelings. Maybe that is what she was saying?

That's kind of how I took it... although one could argue that paintings and sculptures of nudes shouldn't be in museums then either. Considering Yossy is an artist, that's where I get confused. I still think she has a valid reason, I just don't quite know what it is yet.

True, again, but those are displayed tastefully, not as a bouncy forum emoticon.

Yes, but I figured that goes without saying.

Ok then, good to know.

Quote from: HaloOfTheSun on October 24, 2006, 10:04:09 PM
I still think she has a valid reason, I just don't quite know what it is yet.

My thoughts as well, which is why I am asking. Perhaps she could explain to us what exactly is bothering her, since none of us seem to understand. Unfortunetly, she probably won't be back to answer untill tomorrow.

Perhaps she's already left the forums.

I don't think so, for she has PM'ed me. But chances are she won't be back until tomorrow, as it seems she's not really a late poster anyway.

I don't want to have hard feelings against anyone here.  I was never angry at the fact that Silverline posted an image of a nude woman, and if that's what it sounded like in my previous posts, then I apologize for the confusion.  In my initial post, I stated that Naphe's reason for leaving was valid because he, personally, did not feel comfortable in a forum that does not censor nudity.  Now that I look back and review my first post, however, I can see how it was misinterpreted.  The "blatant disrespect" I referred to was not in the form of any suggestive image, but of the language used in this forum.  That Silverline immediately interpreted that I would be tolerant of male pornography was the spark that ignited the anger I revealed in my later posts, as that presumption was based solely upon the fact that I am female.  The whole "demoralization of society" bit was a sporadic and offhand comment, and I wish it hadn't recieved the attention that it did, because that is not the point that I was trying to get across.

Never once did I say that I blame the population of the forum collectively.  I don't even want to blame specific people, because it is becoming increasingly likely that it is simply ignorance of what can be considered offensive or not which causes disrespectful comments.  This was the case with Nightwolf, who assumed that the reason I didn't approve was "because I am a girl," which I have already commented on before so I'm not going to repeat myself here.

I am not nearly arrogant enough to presume that all disrespectful comments are targeted at myself, or even at women in general.  Countless times, intolerance has been prevailent in this forum, and that angers me more than anything.  Particular members of controversial sexual orientation are often the victims of such attacks.

It does mean a lot to me that you were still willing to hear my side, even asking that I clarify my point of view.



Halo said in his PM to me, "Intelligence and niceness seem to be scarce on these forums..."  All I ask is that the members of this board practice compassion.

A little kindness can change the world.

Quote from: Nightwolf on October 24, 2006, 02:58:14 PM
She's a girl, she doesnt like it Silverline..

Sorry if that hurt you to, i knew what to write but not how. But then you explained.
We all respect you
I say lock this thread and stop the fight..

+1 Vote

Zypher called me moody.  My feelings are hurt.



Oh, and I'd like to say something else, too.  This is not to incite another argument, but I have to say something in my defense.

Quote from: Zypher on October 24, 2006, 08:40:13 PM
You're just as guilty as us. You automatically assume that we assume things about you because we're men. We don't have to deal with THAT.

I never, ever made that false assumption.  Silverline's remark was a direct reference to my gender, so I rebuted.



And I should probably repeat myself in case anyone was too lazy to read my previous post.  NONE of the things I mentioned in this thread had anything to do with the graphics Silverline posted.

Quote from: SilverlineSo it'd be fine then if I made a bouncing penis or similar?

I had no idea, I wasn't sure, so I asked.

But eh, I'm maintaining a light-hearted "lol internet" view of this all basically -_-

It's a good thing this thread is locked to prevent further discussion, eh guys? 

Dunno who locked it :/

True, and wasn't this moved to spam??