This is a more complex game I remember playing at another forum once. You are given a murder case, and from the clues you collect, you must determine who the murderer is. You may ask the person who posted the case any question you want (within reason), but you must ask as if you were actually in the case. You can't just ask "What's this character's motive to kill the victim?", you have to be more subtle. Try asking something like "What's this character's connection to the victim?" or "Is there anything noteworthy in that character's room?", and just press for details until you find a motive or clue on your own.
The only rules are that you cannot accuse a character unless you have a plausible explanation as to how and why they did it, and you are not allowed to ask stupid questions that do not relate to the case (the one who posts the case reserves the right not to answer a question if he thinks it's inappropriate). Also, you may only ask one question at a time. The case is over when the person who posted the case confirms that someone got the right answer or if the case remains unsolved after 5 days.
I'll start the first case.
The first case:
There are three people invited to stay with an old friend at his mansion for the weekend. The man's name is Ethan Grossman, a high-priced private investigator, and his guests are his former classmates from DTI, the Detective Training Institute.
The first guest is Manuel Caruso, a shady but intelligent PI with some major financial problems. The second guest is Rick Murphy, a nerdy PI who's better suited for using a computer to track down culprits. The third and last guest is Emily Stanford, a dedicated PI with both brains and beauty.
When the guests enter the mansion, they are awed by the luxury of the place. Marble busts and paintings worth thousands decorate the halls. The floor is tiled with fine mosaic tiles, and silk curtains flutter at every window. There even is a service elevator so that if someone didn't want to walk upstairs, they could simply ride the elevator instead.
Later that evening, they all have dinner together and talk about the good times they had while they were still at school. After dinner, the three guests say goodnight to their host and go one by one upstairs to their bedrooms, leaving Ethan by himself in the dining room. That was the last anyone saw of him.
The next morning, Ethan's dead body is found in the elevator on the first floor. His neck has been snapped in two...
This is where you come in. Ask questions to find out who did it, and how it was done.
I'll start with Manuel, k?
(btw good idea, one of the very few good ones you ever had XD)
WHERE WERE YOU ON THE NIGHT OF FRIDAY THE FOURTEENTH!
You got brains and you are facing financial problems, MR MANUEL, so i suggest you tell the truth before i keelhall ya. After you left Eddy Mc Freddy at the dining table and went up with the others, what did you do?
Manuel claims that after he finished dinner, he went up to his bedroom like everyone else and immediately went to sleep since he was feeling tired. However, he cannot prove this alibi. He could easily have gone downstairs anytime after the others had gone to bed.
Okkayyy.
you liar..
Okay, lets assume you were sleeping. Any suspicious Noises that woke you up, Maulo?
None.
Well that sucks..
I still think you're lying, Freddy, but i'll get some proof against you!
now lets MOVE to emily.
Hey Babe, you got the brains so you would know how to snap a neck in two, right?
Also, what did you do after you went upstairs.
Three, did you hear or see any suspicious things?
Whats your favorite color?
And, aren't there any servants or someguys like that?
Emily also claims that she went straight to bed and did not wake up until morning. She heard nothing during the night.
Oddly enough, Ethan gave his servants the weekend off. There was no one else in the mansion.
Hmm..
Now lets move on to Ricky...
Ricky, what did you do after going up/ any suspicious noises etc.. (same questions except the fav. color)
Btw, can 2 ppl be the victims, or does it have to be only one of them?
Rick claims that he read a book for a little while, but he soon felt too drowsy to continue and went to sleep. He also heard nothing during the night.
And I think you meant to ask if there can be multiple murderers, since there can be only one victim. The answer is yes, it is possible for there to be more than one murderer.
The worst part is i cant question Eddy Mc Freddy.
he;s dead you see
I ask all three this question:
What do you think of the other two guests? Could they have a motive?
Manuel: "I don't know much about Rick after we left DTI, but I wouldn't think he's the type to do murder. Emily, on the other hand, I think she's strong-willed enough to do it. I can't say that I know anything for sure, but I suspect that there may have been something going on between Ethan and Emily..."
Rick: "Emily was always a sweet person at DTI. She's strong, but I don't think she would do it. I think Manuel did it. Methods never mattered to him, only the end result. That's probably why most of Manuel's clients went over to Ethan instead..."
Emily: "Manuel's a shady character, but don't let Rick's 'nerdiness' fool you. I happen to know for a fact that Rick actually worked for Ethan ever since we left DTI. I heard that he was treated like dirt too, and never got any credit for his work..."
All Three:
How did he invite you? Did he sent an invitation to all or did you just come along
Or were only two of you invited and one was there just for fun?
All three recieved a formal invitation from Ethan in the mail.
welll....
I think all three did it, but i have no reason...Can i take a look at the elevator plx?
The elevator itself is only a little larger than your average closet, so there wasn't much room for more than one person. There is a grate on the elevator ceiling for emergency exits. You can see quite clearly into the elevator shaft through the grate. There are three buttons in the elevator: 1st floor, 2nd floor, and basement. When the body was found in the morning, the elevator had stopped on the first floor.
I join in. =]
What was each suspect's connection to the victim, both at school, and following?
At school, they were all merely friends, nothing more. Ethan was the brightest student and easily the top of his class. He often liked to show off to his friends that he was smarter than they were.
After graduating, they each went on to start their own detective agency. Ethan was by far the most successful of them. After a short period of time, Rick found himself without any clients and unable to pay the bills, so he went to work for Ethan Grossman's agency instead. Despite his friendship with Ethan, Ethan almost never gave Rick any credit, and paid him peanuts for his work.
Emily's agency was also unsuccessful, and she soon found herself with the same problem as Rick. But rather than going to work for Ethan, she instead married a wealthy businessman. She kept in touch with Ethan and even occationally went out to dinner with him for old time's sake. She is now divorced and currently trying to gain some finances to restart her own detective agency.
Unlike the others, Manuel was successful enough to keep his agency running, but only barely. Most of his potential clients went to Ethan's agency instead of his, and you can't get any money if you don't have any clients. A sort of rivalry grew between him and Ethan, but unlike Emily and Rick, he had not seen Ethan or the others before coming to the mansion for the weekend.
Did Ethan have any reason to commit suicide?
Possibly. His health was pretty bad. He couldn't even walk up his own stairs, hence why he had an elevator installed in the first place. But his detective agency was still very successful, and he was still in the middle of many cases.
Rick's a bastard and doesn't understand anything- i'd love if someone paid me peanuts.
Can i take a look at the guests rooms?
also...
Asking to all three of em:
Was Ethan looking worried and was any two other invited looking all...weird?
There's not much in Manuel's room. His closet is filled with shaby clothes, but that's to be expected when you're practically bankrupt. Nothing out of the ordinary can be found in his room.
Rick's room is nice and tidy, the kind of room that a "neat freak" would have. But one thing did stand out though: there was a revolver tucked in his suitcase. It's an odd thing to bring to a weekend reunion. An even stranger fact is that no fingerprints can be found on the gun. When asked about the gun, Rick claims that he never saw it before.
Emily's room is also fairly clean. There was only one thing noticable in her room: one of her bathrobes was missing it's belt. She claims that the belt was there when she came to the mansion, and is quite sure that she had it before going to sleep on the night of the murder.
All three guests agree that the other guests acted normal, but they also agreed that Ethan seemed a bit...odd. He didn't look worried, and his personality was quite the same as always. But there was something about him that seemed different than how they remembered him at DTI, although none of them can put their finger on exactly what it was.
rick may have the intention of killing but what a bastard he is that he didn;t ;-;
Emily: Do you have any way to prove that the "belt" was there when you were sleeping?
do you beleive in..the boogey manr?
There is no way prove that the belt was there before she went to sleep.
Emily couldn't have hidden the gun, she got the brains. Either Rick is lying or Mauley did it.
Or eddy mc freddy's ghost did it.
Ricky ma man, ma muscular hulk hogaaaan- do you have any proof that this gun isn't yours and you have never seen it before?
There's no conclusive proof that the gun isn't is, but there is no gun registered in his name and there are no fingerprints on the gun. He claims that he never saw it before, and that he definitely did not bring it with him to the mansion.
No one's got proff ;-;
I'm suspecting Mauly and Emily here as they don't beleive in the boogeyman.
Let me ask: Could it have been that while getting in the elevator, he acidently stuck his head out and it got snapped?
See, people do that
Also, can i search the house for any signs of a bathrobe-belt of boogeyman prints?
The position of the body would indicate that it was impossible for him to have broken his neck in the door.
And the only obvious sign of the belt that you can find is a single fiber from the belt...found on the victim's neck. Apparently the belt was used as the murder weapon.
And speaking of prints, a clear set of fingerprints were found on the elevator buttons. They belong to Manuel Caruso. Manuel claims he hasn't even ridden in the elevator yet.
Has mauly been robbed off anything?
No, Manuel has not been robbed.
This sucks man.. this is tough ;-;
Can't i blame a cause on someone and see their reaction and then determine what my conclusion is?
like arrow does...to burned dogs ;-;
You can accuse anyone you want, as long as you can explain how and why they did it. You're a lot closer to the truth than you think. Just ask the right questions and you'll get the answers you need.
I accuse Emily and Mauley...
Mauley has the reason to kill him as most of his people are joining Eddy Mc freddy's place. So he took Emily's robe and killed the guy.
Emily, however does not have a cause unless she has had some relation problems with Eddy Mc freddy or wants to get some money from him..
So before i make this a steady accusion, two questions:
1. Did emily have a relationship except friendship.
2. What was McFreddy's will(If he made one)?
If his will states that all his money would go to his friends, then emily and mauley are the only ones who could it.
But im not sure if mauley stole the bathrobe belt or emily gave it to him
^_^;
In fact, Emily did have a relationship aside from friendship with Ethan. They were having an affair. Emily's husband suspected her of cheating, so he hired a private investigator to find out. Ironically, he went to Ethan Grossman's agency. In his cruel sense of humor, Ethan waited one week to tell Emily's husband about her affair, and even sent him a bill for his "hard work" on the case. That is the reason Emily's husband divorced her.
Before you go and accuse her though, an interesting point is raised in Ethan's will. In the event of his death, he leaves his entire detective agency, his current cases, and all of his assets to the Manuel, Rick, and Emily. HOWEVER, he also says that they are only entitled to everything if they can figure out who killed him. It would seem that Ethan knew he was going to be killed before the guests had even arrived.
So all three do have a reason
but they cant go like
"I killed him so i should get the price cuz i know who did it"
that would actually be helpful..
1. Just curiousity, how was this Emily's husband.
That's my last question, then i shall accuse..
possibly blindly.
Emily's husband was just some wealthy businessman. At the time of the murder, he has a solid alibi that places him literally hundreds of miles away, therefore he has nothing to do with the murder.
I take a little doubt of mauley
I ACCUSE EMILY.
You dated him for a while, you need the money..You know no one'll will ever discover the murderer so you're gonna get the money.
He broke your relationship with your wealthy husband, which ruined your job and all too. You used the robe as a murder weapon..
If mauley helped you do this, plz tell, i'll get a little more money.
Sorry, that's not the solution. If the elevator doors were open at the time of the murder, how could Emily (or Manuel for that matter) have overpowered Ethan without Ethan calling out and waking up the entire household? Or, if the elevator doors were closed, how could two people have fit in such a small area and still have enough room to commit a murder?
They could've scrambled in for sex ;-;
oh well, i lose then?
edit: Is it the wrong solution because the cause/how they murdered is wrong or is the whole solution wrong
he;s sooo gonna get fooled right now
You can keep guessing or ask more questions if you want. The game doesn't end until someone either finds the correct solution or it remains unsolved for 5 days.
Normally, I shouldn't say what part of the solution is wrong, but I'll tell you anyway: the whole solution is wrong.
I don't beleive that you made this case ;-;
;-;
;-;
Did all three get equal shares in the will?
Was the will gonna be changed?
All three get equal shares, and the will was not going to be changed.
oh God this sucks..
this is serious: Did Ethan used to play pranks on people ?_?
Yes. All during DTI, he was known to play pranks on people as a sign of saying that he was smarter than they were.
So it could be like, the killer, say Emily was just playing a prank to scare him but she did it to hard?
No, Emily (or any of the others for that matter) was not the type to play pranks on people. Only Ethan liked to play pranks.
were there two doors to the elevator?
some elevators open from both sides, ya know =D
There's only one door, but there are two ways to exit the elevator. Remember the grate on the elevator ceiling leads straight into the elevator shaft. However, the hinges on the grate are such that it can only be opened from the inside of the elevator, so the door is the only way into the elevator.
If Ethan knew that he'd be killed before the guests arrived, then he must have planned the murder.
Which leaves me to believe the he committed suicide.
How big were the holes in the grate, if it had any? Would they have been big enough for a bathrobe belt to slip through?
Yes, I would definitely say the holes in the grate were big enough for a bathrobe belt to slip through.
Right, I think it's time to make an accusation.
As Ethan knew of the murder before the guests arrived, he must have either planned it or committed suicide.
I accuse Ethan of obtaining Emily's bathrobe belt somehow, and committing suicide using it. The belt was then somehow slipped through the grate where no-one could find it.
I expand upon Rune's theory. With Ethan comitting suicide, he somehow obtained Manuel's fingerprints and put them on the door, then hid the gun in Rick's room to confuse the detectives.
...
Bravo, Rune, Nightwolf, and totalinfinity! You guys got the solution!
The story begins with Ethan's health. His health was pretty bad; in fact, he was dying. He had only a few more months to live. That's when he decided to play one last practical joke on his old friends and prove to them once and for all that he was smarter than they ever would be. To him, suicide was preferable than dying in some hospital bed.
He dismissed all of his servants for the weekend and made the necessary preparations. After his guests arrived, the day proceeded as a normal until that night. After all the guests had fallen asleep, Ethan went upstairs (via elevator) and started planting evidence. He stole a bathrobe belt from Emily's room, planted a gun in Rick's room, and lifted some fingerprints from Manuel's room. None of the guests had heard anything, because all three of them had been drugged during their dinner and had fallen asleep shortly after going into their rooms.
Next, Ethan made a noose from the belt and attached the end to one of the upward-going cables through the grate on the elevator ceiling. He then carefully applied Manuel's fingerprints to the elevator buttons, and ever so gently...pushed the down button. The noose tightened, his neck broke, and eventually the belt tore and slipped up and out through the grate, leaving only a single fiber on Ethan's body where it would be found the next morning.
It would be the last practical joke that Ethan ever pulled on his friends. Don't think too harshly of him, though. Remember that he made all of them beneficiaries in his will. He felt bad for all the troubles he caused for his old friends, so he left his entire fortune and detective agency for them to share together. So...
First case: solved!
Now it's someone else's turn to post an interesting case.
My turn, got one set up already :P
There are four gang members, Gary Hegman, Lawrence Corghet, Bill Drake, and Henry Shorman.
On Tuesday the 6th April at 2:26, the gang leader, Kevin Kruge was found dead in his office with a bullethole through his forehead. A simple pistol, recently fired, within the last hour, was left beside him.
The gun has been examined, and all four other gang member's fingerprints were on both the gun itself and the trigger.
Where were the four suspects in the last 60 minutes (aka what's their alibis)?
FIrst of all, Eddy was a big bastard ;-;
Now, if there's a gang the gun may have belonged to someone in the gang or it could have been of the victim.
Who'se gun was it?
All four suspects were known to be in the town within the last hour. However, one witness says he spotted Corghet walking towards Kevin's office around half an hour before.
The gun belonged to the whole gang, all four suspects had obviously passed it around, as all of their fingerprints were on the gun
How many bullets have been fired from the gun?
Two, but it appears only one bullet was used to kill Kruge.
Was there another bullet found in Kruge's office?
No.
For all four gang members, what is your connection towards Kevin?
Who is the witnesswho spotted Coggy somewhere else?
Quote from: totalinfinity on February 20, 2008, 07:23:59 PM
For all four gang members, what is your connection towards Kevin?
All four suspects worked under Kruge.
Gary: "That guy gave me nothing but stick. The only reason I didn't just walk out is because he promised to track me down and kill me if I did."
Lawrence: "I was more or less his slave. Basically, I did all the dirty, dangerous work, while the others got the easy jobs."
Bill: "Kev was my Cousin. I was the only one treated fairly by him, and the others bullied me because of that."
Henry: "I was underpaid. he barely gave me enough pay to look after myself, let alone a wife and kids."
Quote from: Nightwolf on February 21, 2008, 07:33:48 AM
Who is the witnesswho spotted Coggy somewhere else?
An ex-worker for the gang and Kevin's brother, James.
Why was James fired/ why did he leave?
Bill might be innocent. If he was being bullied, and was gonna kill somebody, he probably would've killed the others, not Kevin, who treated him fairly.
Gary and Lawrence seem to have a more valid reason for killing Kevin (if one of them did), but Henry's alibi doesn't seem like a good enough reason for killing him. Gary could've killed him just to get out of the gang, while Lawrence could've killed him out of frustration of having to do all the dirty work.
So, 3 questions:
1.) Is it known who the gun's original owner is?
2.) If so, who is it?
3.) Was there any money missing that might've been stolen?
It's possible that Henry killed Kevin in order to steal his money.
The first two are already answered..
Quote from: Nightwolf on February 22, 2008, 03:45:05 AM
Why was James fired/ why did he leave?
He felt he was too old to carry on working as a gang member. So he left.
Quote from: droginator on February 22, 2008, 04:03:27 AM
Bill might be innocent. If he was being bullied, and was gonna kill somebody, he probably would've killed the others, not Kevin, who treated him fairly.
Gary and Lawrence seem to have a more valid reason for killing Kevin (if one of them did), but Henry's alibi doesn't seem like a good enough reason for killing him. Gary could've killed him just to get out of the gang, while Lawrence could've killed him out of frustration of having to do all the dirty work.
So, 3 questions:
1.) Is it known who the gun's original owner is?
2.) If so, who is it?
3.) Was there any money missing that might've been stolen?
It's possible that Henry killed Kevin in order to steal his money.
Check above posts for 1 & 2.
3. No money was missing at the time the body was found. But when the room was searched for evidence, all of the money Kruge possessed was gone.
Right. I should've looked above before I asked that. But anyways, that increases the probability that it could've been Henry who killed Kevin. But there's not really any more evidence that could convict him. After all, one of the others might've killed him and just took the money just out of anger.
Questions?
I'm guessing that it's either Lawrence, James, or Kevin himself who did it. The other three were known to be in town and no one saw them near Kevin's office before the murder, so it's less likely to be any of them. Since the money was not missing at the time the body was found, it's likely that one of the gang members (most likely Henry) took the money later. I don't have enough information to accuse anyone yet though.
Let's see, did James have any grudge against his brother? And did Kevin leave a will?
Kevin and James were very close friends, it is unlikely that there will have been any arguments or grudges going on between them.
Kevin did not leave a will.
Did Kevin have anything against any member?
OR did any member have a feeling of "wtf, he's an idiot" feelings towards him?
Kevin only treated his cousin Bill fairly, as he was family. However, he had no grudges against any member.
Gary, Lawrence and Henry had got angry at Kevin for mistreating them, if that's what you mean with the second question
I'm going to take a wild guess here and say it was Lawrence Corghet.
The other three gang members were in town and were not spotted by the witness James. The only reason James would lie is if he was the murderer himself, but he had no known motive and the only fingerprints on the gun were that of Kevin and the four gang members, so he can almost completely be ruled out as a suspect. Therefore Lawrence, who did have a motive and whose fingerprints were found on the gun, is the only suspect seen near the scene of the crime and is most likely the murderer.
I sound just like a policeman who halfway through the TV show goes and arrests the wrong person based on circumstancial evidence...
Wrong.
Also, I only said that the other four member's fingerprints were on the gun, i.e. the original suspects. Kevin's fingerprints weren't found.
But i'll give you a clue. Likeliness plays it's role in this mystery. ;)
Did anyone need money?
and whats a likeliness?
Only Henry needed the money.
As for the second question. You'll have to work it out for yourself.
Was Kevin wearing gloves at the time of his death?
is there a backentrance/secret entrace to his "office"?
Sorry I never replied to any of these, questions, my internet went at the end of day 4, and only just came back on. But... 5 days are up now, so if anyone wishes to start their own mystery then feel free.
But just for the record: @Zylos - No, he was bare-handed. @Nightwolf - There were no other apparent exit to his room other than the front door and the window. Upon thoroughly searching the room for a secret exit, none was found.
Were there any signs of fingerprints on the window (other than the victims)?
Bill's and Lawrence's fingerprints were found.
I'm guessing I've befuddled everyone?
Or are we just bored of this game? :P
It was Mr Green with the candlestick in the Dining room.
Um... congratz?