I was giving it some thought the other day, and I assumed that we probably exsist on a plain with a slight curvature, which eventually wraps around. In other words: keep going one direction, in google-zillion millenia, you'll end up where you started. Another question I thought was why is space black? Is the lack of matter black or does it have something to do with light?
I don't think space ends....if it ended what would be beyond it? and how far until that thing ends? and so on...
I don't think we have proof that space ends.
And black is obviously the lack of light. I think.
but it also couldent be the lack of light everywhere like around earth should get light because we get light so it has to be something other then lack of light... as for space ending it has to... there really is nuthing that goes on forever... i odnt like thinking about this it makes me think if it were endless if we are going to inhabit planets like earth and how far away we will reach at one time...
Well, does that mean an infinite number of stars and endless emptiness? If the big bang is true, there would be areas in which haven't been reached by it's explosion. It's just soo weird.
Here is my theory on why space is black.
The sky is blue because of light reflecting off of the Oceans.
If you mix every color together you get black. Since space is so big there are billions of colors. Therefor light reflects off of them making space black.
EDIT: NO! Change of theory. There isn't enough matter in space to make a certain color by light reflecting to color. Therefor it is black.
Good, but has it been approved that space has no end? Does it simple fade away into nothingness where there is no color. If so what color is, well, no color? Black?
Too much complication. You had it right the first time, space is black due to an absence of light.
To answer your question, there are two ways of looking at it. Space's end is supposed to be infinitessimally small. So eventually, you would reahc a point where your matter would be stretched SO THIN and SO FAR that you literally could not move any longer. One COULD say that was space's end. But then you can look at it mathematically. Everything (logically) can be broken into pieces. So what if you could just, get smaller? Wouldn't space then be extended? All you would have to do is keep getting smaller, and you would keep going further into space. (by that logic)
And yes, absence of light = black, so no color = black.
Yeah, but your thinking in terms of our spectrum of light. Is the space significantly different in spectrum's of nocturnal animals? Can they see past the blackness?
Well, what is our universe in?
Is it in somehting bigger, and if so, that means it would go into that somehow.
Also yes there are limitless colors, but we cant imagine them without thinking of mixtures of our own, its is absolutly no matter what........impossible....it's just the spectrum our mind pictures, if there is other life they might see something else, in there specturm, and we might see it as say blue....but they'd see something we cant imaginge.
Quote from: Rpg_Gnome on March 27, 2007, 02:23:01 AM
Well, what is our universe in?
Is it in somehting bigger, and if so, that means it would go into that somehow.
Exactly what I had in mind. Maybe this is just one sub-universe of many universes and unlimitless dimensions. We may never know of course, but it's odd to feel that is currently happening. Perhaps, like Star Trek, their is "sub-space" where time dosen't exsist and stuff. Who knows...
Maybe we're in a place where time doesn't exist before we are sperm cells.
Quote from: Kaitenshin on March 27, 2007, 02:28:15 AM
Quote from: Rpg_Gnome on March 27, 2007, 02:23:01 AM
Well, what is our universe in?
Is it in somehting bigger, and if so, that means it would go into that somehow.
Exactly what I had in mind. Maybe this is just one sub-universe of many universes and unlimitless dimensions. We may never know of course, but it's odd to feel that is currently happening. Perhaps, like Star Trek, their is "sub-space" where time dosen't exsist and stuff. Who knows...
Multiple copies of us!!!
Would it be possible to do a futurama and put our own universe in a box?
Wait.....no.......that'd be an infinite paradox then, becuase they're then be and endless ammount of our universese in the box, and that means more boxes with more boxes!
Also, a book at my library has a diagram where its a loop with a stem growing off of it to show time, and time is growing in the funnel, and theyre are millions of those funnel things...the funnel being the universe.
FREAKIN CRAZY! Just asking, but am I the only loser in here that watches Star Trek?
Quote from: Kaitenshin on March 27, 2007, 02:33:38 AM
FREAKIN CRAZY! Just asking, but am I the only loser in here that watches Star Trek?
No I just watched it.....:zoid: "Hurray people are paying attention to me"
Nice Question man. Space does not end actually, the world is sooo big, i mean not earth, and space is just a black sheet of stars and planets. So actually if you see, we are just a cockroach on the carpet, and that carpet is like, big, black thingy. And it just extends and extends, and scientist can't go that far, or maybe the space is just like Earth, a vast circular thingamabob, inside another thing, say spoce..you know...but for know, everyone just says that is unextendable..
It is my belief that space has to go on forever, otherwise, whats at the end? there can't be just nothingness. There has to be something. Stars or planets or something.
Learn to post. Also: In a way, yes, they see past the blackness, but only because their eyes pick up more light. Their blackness is just thinner. OR, alternatively, they only see certain colors.But their are no "secret colors" out there.
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 27, 2007, 01:35:37 AM
If you mix every color together you get black.
No, if you mix every color together you get white.
Black is the lack of color and space is black because the space is the void between matter and since it has no matter, it cannot reflect light.
There is no lack of light in space, there is an infinite amount of stars shining at all times.
Quote from: gnomeAlso yes there are limitless colors, but we cant imagine them without thinking of mixtures of our own
You can actually see a few of these colors if you travel to the himalayas.
You were right about space being at a slight curvature, but there's more to it than that. I'm going to plug my favorite book again. I keep recommending it, but people keep asking these questions, so obviously nobody has read it yet.
A SHORT HISTORY OF NEARLY EVERYTHING - BILL BRYSON
Quote from: Elegy on March 27, 2007, 09:58:36 AM
Quote from: Irockman1 on March 27, 2007, 01:35:37 AM
If you mix every color together you get black.
No, if you mix every color together you get white.
Black is the lack of color and space is black because the space is the void between matter and since it has no matter, it cannot reflect light.
There is no lack of light in space, there is an infinite amount of stars shining at all times.
Quote from: gnomeAlso yes there are limitless colors, but we cant imagine them without thinking of mixtures of our own
You can actually see a few of these colors if you travel to the himalayas.
Surprisingly, this time, i agree with Elegy. And i mean the whole thing i spose.
Great job Elegy, "WE ARE BONDING "
Yes, new ones have probably been discovered, but as new shades of mixtures of current ones ^-^
No, there are completely new colors in the himalayas, not like mixtures of colors we already have, but completely new, unlike any other.
There we have another thing besides infinity thats impossible to fully grasp.
Quote from: Elegy on March 27, 2007, 02:54:51 PM
No, there are completely new colors in the himalayas, not like mixtures of colors we already have, but completely new, unlike any other.
There we have another thing besides infinity thats impossible to fully grasp.
I'm from india, and i've been there, they are not like, OMG I WANNA SEX THAT COLOUR...
Then the question is if you saw a mixture of colors or a new color.
I tried thinking of nothing with no color or anything so it couldn't be black white ect. i had a headache for like an hour after
A new colour could be a mixture of colours, but inventing a colour is a very very tough thing. They looked normal, but obviously there was something different in it.
Lets do this Elegy, make up a new color without any of the existing colours name( eg. Reddish Purple NOT ALLOWED)
I agree that its tough, but those magical colours you get, which seem to be a mixture of colours are there.
So they are a mixture of colours to form a new one
We change the topic <.<
We can't visualize a new color because we haven't seen it. Just like we can't sing a song we have never heard. So if we could see another color we could picture it in our head. Then we could obtain the power of the colors to make a super gay rainbow.!
We can sing a song we have never heard, we just have to invent it.
but then it'd loose all the fun of it so, bam!
Yes we have changed the topic from space to colours.
Elerby, what are you talking about new colors?
You can't see a "new color". The human eye, by nature, can only perceive the colors in the standard ROYGBIV spectrum.
The gnome brought it up, we can only see a limited part of the electromagnetic spectrum, (around 400-700nm, or 450-750 terahertz) resulting in all the colors we have, but change the dynamics of our eyes or the environment surrounding us, say make the air really really thin, and higher frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum would be visible, resulting in new colors, completely different from the ones we have now.
Ahem . . . no more on colors. Now about space, do you trult believe there are alternate or parallel universes?
Quote from: Kaitenshin on March 27, 2007, 07:25:37 PM
Ahem . . . no more on colors. Now about space, do you trult believe there are alternate or parallel universes?
I think it's a likely theory. I wouldn't say I truly believe in a multiverse, but it would be a damn fine answer explanation wise.
As the chat people will know, I'm a firm believer in String Theory. In string theory, there are at least 6 other dimensions, stacked alongside ours like a sliced loaf of bread.
Eight actually.
No, actually the four we live in and 6 others, making it a d=10 universe. Don't contest me on this.
There are eight separate dimensions that you can move between.
Ok, well since you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, I'm going to do what I should've done earlier and stay at least 4 posts away from whatever you decide to grace with your empty-headedness.
I am pretty familiar with the subject of dimensions.
Actually, I'm pretty familiar with mostly everything... Except sports, cause sports sucks.
It's when you say stuff like that that people tend to start believing otherwise.
It could be like a whole collection of universes and that would create a collection and soo on and so on this dimension stuff is Kindof deep though
I think there might be alternate dimensions etc, because I believe there's already a future and we're lagging behind somewhere.
It's debates like this that make me feel like an emo....T-T
Anyway, I think that we exist in a sphere of dimensions, since space is always expanding around us in every direction, then it is predictable that dimensions would work the same way and always growing. That would mean there are 360 to the power of 360 to the power of 360 dimensions. (That's my theory on angles in a sphere...naieve yes...but i'm not a mathemetician)
Therefore there would be a huge amount of dimensions and alternate realities, some going ahead of us, and some still being generated by the time always extending outwards.
That to me explains a lot, but also gives more questions. I'm not even going to breach the possibility that this theory may give birth to the fact that there may be alternate times (gods)
360 is only an important number in our dimension. The reason there are 360 degrees is because of 3 dimensional space. Only once you can comprehend this can you understand what a "dimension" really is.
It seems as though each theory about space has a flaw...
Space is curved: If it's curved it is around something, what is that, also where does it end if you go up? If you came to a roof there would have to be something on the other side.
Parallel Universes: Well where do they end? If they have walls, behind which are other universes how many would they be?
A string of universes: A string of universes would have to have something come after them.
Never ends: There would eventually be a space in which there is no compression, light, or matter due to the lack of compression. It also just seems improbable.
I would simple say that it's a mystery to never be solved.
I think it never ends. Maybe space keep growing. You never know there might be a much simpiler explanation for it but we are to smart to find out!!
I'm not reallt much into science, but really. Space kind of doesn't end, it's still expanding.
If space is continually expanding, wouldn't there have to be some manner of void around it for space to be filling, and if so, what lies beyond that?
The void is nothing. I think that's the point. And space is still growing.
I think its just one thing we will never find out! Unless we find away which I doudt that any of us will be alive still when that happens?
Valcos, I'm a little confused by what you meant. If you mean that some one will eventually see space end, then that kind of won't happen since space just keeps going. Remember, the idea behind inertia is that something keeps going untill something stops it. Well there's nothing stopping or slowing down the expansion the big bang caused. So since nothing is stopping it, it'll keep spreading.
Well I meant that "if" there is an end to space or there are other worlds out there with other living things on it. If they find a way to get to those places, we (as in the people of our generations) will be dead because I dont think technology will be that advance in the next 50 years. (but I dont believe reaching the end of the universe is possible it just a what if statement)
But, like I said before I think it keeps getting bigger and expanding. Like SexualBubblegumX.(another what if) But what if the "bigbang" ran out of energy or something and just stopped? ???
Actually, is it even possible for it to run out of energy?
I am not sure? Like when it happened there had to be a source of its energy or w.e you call it that makes it make space or w/e. But what happened before the "bigbang"??
There is an end to space, ARRRRRGGGHHH!!! Read a few books before you post! :kill:
Well, I dont read books so I wouldnt know ;D Also if you know could you explain it to me please?
I would like you to show me some of these books and also how can they prove that space ends you could also say that pi ends but they so far have not proven that either.
You can tell space ends because radio waves bounce off of the end of it and are reflected back to earth. Space is still expanding though. And as far as the books go, look up a school book for a start.
So lets say for argument's sake that I'm standing at the end of space, whats after that?
Nothing. There is nothing after that, but space is constantly expanding. You would never be able to get to it, and if you did, it wouldn't be still. Also, the universe is infinite, yet redundant, because it is on a slight curve. Its kind of hard to picture.
Then it can't really end, the matter in space might be limited, but space which is the nothingness, has to be infinite.
No matter how far you go, there will always be more of the void. (I am aware of how contradictory that sounds)
Space is not nothingness. Space is space. Nothingness is nothingness. I see this is hard for you to understand.
The definition of space is "an empty area"
The definition of empty is "holding or containing nothing"
Space is nothing.
albert einstein proved methematically that infinity and space are common, as well as time, so if time doesn't end, neither does infinity nor space.
E=mC2