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Attacking Iran would be MENTAL in my Opinion... We have more Muslim Faith holders in the UK than we do True Christian's, it will spark off riots and may be even a war at home, it will be classed as an unholy war, and all the terrorist factions supprted by Iran will clam together to help Iran:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6330353.st

So whats the news reporting in your countries on this ?

And please explain your answer to the poll... Even if you voted not Bothered, please.

I voted No - Why - Cuz if we do attack Iran then it could start fights in our own streets, it could upset some large countries that may aid Iran and attack us... It could be classed as an unjust War or an unholy War, it could be a loosing battle before it starts much like Iraq.  The main talks and disccusions I have read point at the USA considering Nuking Iran. 

Any US attack on Iran could be looked at by China as a direct threat to its economic strength. Any fighting in the Persian Gulf would slow the tankers running China's liquefied natural gas through the Channel of Hormuz... Should China decide to act in defence of Iran against the US to defend its oil and natural gas deal with Iran, the US would be faced with a Massive threat of a Gloabl War. This threat exists not merely on a military level, China holds a large amount of the American imports, and could up-set things majorly.

I still think much of this is based on oil and money rather than disarming or closing their Nucular capabilities, Iran are far from having a nuke...

QuoteI still think much of this is based on oil and money rather than disarming or closing their Nucular capabilities, Iran are far from having a nuke...

I fully agree. This is getting out of hand, whether the oil is just a bonus or the direct cause of these wars, America is really getting quite insane.

If this is just an initiate of war for oil, then a mass lie cannot be stopped once it's taken as truth. Has Iran made nuclear weapons? No. Either way the country deserves both and stands no real threat to the US or any other major country. This is an outrage and looks to be a brink of America's domination of the world.

"This is a war against terrorism, and Iraq is just one campaign. The Bush Administration is looking at this as a huge war zone,"

This has lead me to believe with no doubt in my mind that the whole "War on Terror" is just a facade so that the US can dominate any country they feel like. If people think Iraq is now "Free" they are sorely mistaken. Iraq is now the Americas property, and it looks like they're doing the same to Iran. Who's next?

I think that currently, the U.S. shouldn't attack Iran as they dont have nuclear capabilities. However, once they have them, I don't think it'd be unjust. Their leader has claimed he would wipe Israel off the Earth, and whether you're Jewish or not, its still a country that contributes alot to the western world. I wouldn't say wait until the missiles are flying because then it'd be too late.

QuoteI think that currently, the U.S. shouldn't attack Iran as they dont have nuclear capabilities. However, once they have them, I don't think it'd be unjust. Their leader has claimed he would wipe Israel off the Earth, and whether you're Jewish or not, its still a country that contributes alot to the western world. I wouldn't say wait until the missiles are flying because then it'd be too late.

Israel has long range missiles that can hit any Arab State including Iran, Iran has seen Israel as being more of a base for and incurssion for years... Many in the Arab world view Israel as a terrorist state, and see the USA as the main backer.  Both side have a different view of who is the terrorists:- http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/israel_terr.htm

I know thats VERY extream... and hard to understand as we are based in the Western World but for those in the East Israel are seen very differently.

But I would much rather back Israel than an Arab state as Israel has the same value for human life as we do in the West, it's very easy to pick a side if your a Westener... And the bad thing is Bush and Blair know that they will have our backing to a degree.

I am in the same frame as mind as you, until we have HARD proof there is a threat we should do nothing.

The U.S. hasn't done it yet, so I don't think we need to predict the ramifications of those actions. Well untill it does happen. Which could be who knows when. Still, I think as bad as it sounds, level all of the middle east. Even isreal, it's caused to many problems. I most likely sound heartless, but making that part of the world a smoking crater would only prevent problems.

By the way, fuck the geneva convention.

Quote from: SexualBubblegumX on February 06, 2007, 04:48:48 PM
The U.S. hasn't done it yet,

Actually many have stated that the people are just blind to the initiation of war and that the US HAS started the war on Iran already, they just haven't pulled out the guns, as of yet.

Quote from: Lord Dante on February 06, 2007, 05:10:46 AM
I think that currently, the U.S. shouldn't attack Iran as they dont have nuclear capabilities. However, once they have them, I don't think it'd be unjust. Their leader has claimed he would wipe Israel off the Earth, and whether you're Jewish or not, its still a country that contributes alot to the western world. I wouldn't say wait until the missiles are flying because then it'd be too late.

I don't care what Iran has stated, this is just another unjust war. If Iran had said they where going to attack America then the US would have all the rights to initiate war, but Iran haven't.

This is just another Oil War, only this time America made up a less believable excuse.

Quote from: landofshadows on February 05, 2007, 05:10:02 PM
So whats the news reporting in your countries on this ?

What does it matter? You'll just assume I watch Fox News and that my news are all biased :D

QuoteI voted No

Same.

Quote- Why - Cuz if we do attack Iran then it could start fights in our own streets, it could upset some large countries that may aid Iran and attack us... It could be classed as an unjust War or an unholy War, it could be a loosing battle before it starts much like Iraq.  The main talks and disccusions I have read point at the USA considering Nuking Iran.

Terrorist attacks would indeed be rampant in the US, and I'd assume also in Western Europe. That would be teh sux.

QuoteAny US attack on Iran could be looked at by China as a direct threat to its economic strength. Any fighting in the Persian Gulf would slow the tankers running China's liquefied natural gas through the Channel of Hormuz... Should China decide to act in defence of Iran against the US to defend its oil and natural gas deal with Iran, the US would be faced with a Massive threat of a Gloabl War. This threat exists not merely on a military level, China holds a large amount of the American imports, and could up-set things majorly.

We're more important to China's economy than Iran.

QuoteI still think much of this is based on oil and money rather than disarming or closing their Nucular capabilities, Iran are far from having a nuke...

I doubt that the US would go to a war in Iran, although I'm fairly confident it won't, for oil. It's a side benefit, but it's not that big of a deal.

Quote from: Dr_SexaliciousEither way the country deserves both and stands no real threat to the US or any other major country.

Iran deserves nuclear capabilities? What the fuck?

Quote from: Lord_DanteI think that currently, the U.S. shouldn't attack Iran as they dont have nuclear capabilities. However, once they have them, I don't think it'd be unjust.

The point is to stop it before it happens. Once Iran has the nuclear weapons, the situation's fucked.

Quote from: landofshadowsIsrael has long range missiles that can hit any Arab State including Iran, Iran has seen Israel as being more of a base for and incurssion for years...

And? Israel doesn't want to wipe the Arab states off the map.

QuoteBut I would much rather back Israel than an Arab state as Israel has the same value for human life as we do in the West, it's very easy to pick a side if your a Westener...

You and your regard for human life!

Quote from: SexualBubblegumXStill, I think as bad as it sounds, level all of the middle east. Even isreal, it's caused to many problems. I most likely sound heartless, but making that part of the world a smoking crater would only prevent problems.

No! We should kill everyone but children under 6 and hot girls, which will undergo a Lebensborn-type programme and be raised under/married to the new settlers of the Middle East. We'll make it all one large colony. Might as well leave the Jews, too.
Btw- Dibs on the oil fields.

Quote from: Dr_SexaliciousActually many have stated that the people are just blind to the initiation of war and that the US HAS started the war on Iran already, they just haven't pulled out the guns, as of yet.

Wait... what?

QuoteIran deserves nuclear capabilities? What the fuck?

All countries deserve nuclear defense. How can you be biased towards different ideas? I'm more then sure you would have no objection to the US's current Nuclear defense system. Tell me if you do..

QuoteWait... what?

The attack on Iran has already started, just because the US doesn't have solders there killing people doesn't mean that war hasn't been initiated.

Unless you mean a cold war, then yes you're correct.

If you mean a normal war, then an attack (or attacks) is pretty much required.

Quote from: Dr_Sexalicious on February 08, 2007, 04:11:09 PM
All countries deserve nuclear defense. How can you be biased towards different ideas? I'm more then sure you would have no objection to the US's current Nuclear defense system. Tell me if you do..

Problem is Iran's run by much nuttier fucks than those of the US, I can imagine them actually using them in a non-defensive manner- ie, striking targets in the US or Israel. It's really quite worrisome.

QuoteThe attack on Iran has already started, just because the US doesn't have solders there killing people doesn't mean that war hasn't been initiated.

I got that much, I'm asking 'How so?'. It's quite obvious there's a cold war similar to that with the Russians we had for so many years, is that what you mean (as Fu says)? Or are you implying covert attacks or something?

Quote from: gonorrhoea on February 09, 2007, 12:35:06 AM

Problem is Iran's run by much nuttier fucks than those of the US, I can imagine them actually using them in a non-defensive manner- ie, striking targets in the US or Israel. It's really quite worrisome.

An attack on the US? Lol, the Anti-missile defense system the the US came up with during the last days of the cold war is more then impressive. There is NO threat to the US from a country like Iran using nuclear weapons. If they want to grab another plane how ever... ::)

Quote from: gonorrhoea on February 09, 2007, 12:35:06 AMI got that much, I'm asking 'How so?'. It's quite obvious there's a cold war similar to that with the Russians we had for so many years, is that what you mean (as Fu says)? Or are you implying covert attacks or something?

No, not a covert attack, intelligence-gathering? Yes. What I'm implying is that people are still under the impression that the US is not at war with Iran, people just don't understand what the first signs of initiated war are. What I am saying is that the Americas have already started the war in Iran. It's not a decision left to be made, it has already happened.

It may not be classified as the exact terminologies of "war" if an attack hasn't been made. But there's a reason why "attempted murder" is illegal. The US has full intent to attack Iran and have made plans to do so and acted on many of these plans already.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0620-31.htm

QuoteProblem is Iran's run by much nuttier fucks than those of the US

To the people of Iran, their leaders are much less nuttier than those in the US... (But you know what I think of Bush...LOL)

Quote from: landofshadows on February 09, 2007, 09:32:09 AM

QuoteProblem is Iran's run by much nuttier fucks than those of the US

To the people of Iran, their leaders are much less nuttier than those in the US... (But you know what I think of Bush...LOL)

Gods damn it man. EVERY country is run by looneys.

Quote from: Dr_Sexalicious on February 09, 2007, 05:05:07 AM
An attack on the US? Lol, the Anti-missile defense system the the US came up with during the last days of the cold war is more then impressive. There is NO threat to the US from a country like Iran using nuclear weapons. If they want to grab another plane how ever... ::)

I imagine the nuclear attack would be carried out by suicide bombers in a vehicle, such as a truck or SUV. Nuclear weapons can be really small.

QuoteNo, not a covert attack, intelligence-gathering? Yes. What I'm implying is that people are still under the impression that the US is not at war with Iran, people just don't understand what the first signs of initiated war are. What I am saying is that the Americas have already started the war in Iran. It's not a decision left to be made, it has already happened.

I've just been hit by a big wad of idiocy. The US is using diplomacy with Iran, and when dealing with a country like that one must be tough and always hold the threat of conflict, whilst offering good rewards for cooperation. And yes, of course there's intelligence gathering. The US is and has been gathering intelligence pretty much everywhere it can, does this mean that it plans on conquering the world? :O It's a (so far) small-scale cold war, doesn't mean it's going to turn hot.

Quote from: landofshadowsTo the people of Iran, their leaders are much less nuttier than those in the US... (But you know what I think of Bush...LOL)

Yes but as much as he sucks Bush doesn't threaten countries with nuclear weapons very often.

QuoteYes but as much as he sucks Bush doesn't threaten countries with nuclear weapons very often.

http://www.pww.org/article/view/772/1/64/

And there has been talks held on Nuking Iran... CHENEY talks abbout it...

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/nuke_iran.html

And so is Bush:- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/09/wbush09.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/09/ixnewstop.html

There is a Whole Website dedicated to Nuking Iran:- http://nukeiran.com/

Ok, first off- Nukeiran.com is a parody site. It has an Arab with an exploding turban. You... took it seriously? :|
Furthermore, many in the US are considering bombing Iranian targets where nukes are being produced and the such, but that's hotly debated over for obvious reasons. Besides, we don't even know where everything is (only a few of the sites, which are well protected).
And there are no plans for nuking Iran, that would have serious repercussions. Can you imagine the terrroristic reprisals? Not to mention that we're hated enough already, if we nuke another country our foreign relations will be fucked.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/nuke_iran.html - Cheney only talks about a nuclear attack if Iran attacks first.

http://www.pww.org/article/view/772/1/64/ - We of course should always have plans on how to utilise our technology. Every military prepares for potential operations, be they invasions, counterattacks, nuclear strikes, etc. You can't wait until someone hits you to make these plans, they can take months or even years to formulate.

Actually, I'd be happy if they nuked iran.

KEEL TEH MUZLEMS

Iran... or... Nucular hole...

Errmmm... I suppose we could fill the hole with water and may be the the nucular fall out would heat the water to make the biggest hot spring ever....??... Choice of that or Buttlins, I would go to Iran... So I am with Fu, Nuke it... I mean it's not really a War if they don't have a chance, it's always good to hit some one before they hit you even if they are an old ugly lady...

Why do I use the Inallagy Old Ugly Lady...?

Cuz thats what Iran is... Its one of them Ugly old Lady's nobody likes, not even their own grand kids.  It looks and sound nasty, and smells funny.  So obviously you want it out of the way, as long as there is some thing left in the whill aftewards...LOL... So you wait until the Old Fuddy says some thing like "If you don't back the F'CK up I am gunna give you you what for", Then you smack it first (Even though it was helpless) You can say "well it threatend me first what was I to do...?"

As you can see I am kind of being sarcastic and throwing all sorts of contradictions all over the place, but even still I make more sense than Bush's war on terror... ERRR MR Bush, did you ever find Bin-Larden...?

I bet Bin Larden has a council given flat in Northampton England with a better packet than me after all the benefits he can collect....

I don't like Extreamists in their own country, but what I hate more is them being in mine... and all these wars are doing is moving Terror closer to home...

So may be Terror has already won as so much more a real prospect of happening right here on our own door steps... I didn't fear terror attacks until we launched an attack on terror...

I know your going to say "We don't given into terror, you should not fear it"... So would you feel slightly off if a Muslim walked on to your bus with the words NEWYORK written on a jumper and carrying a Ruck sack...?

Are Muslims in your country now trying to say your country is now as Muslim state just cuz they have more people how ticked ballet boxes Musilm than any other religion ?...

I HATE THE WAR ON TERROR, its making England and most of Europe Shite.

I think the only way to win is as Fu pointed out... I hate War, but if its gunna be done its got to be done with no half measures.

I don't want to sound racist, cuz I aint, if any thing I hate our Goverment for letting som many extreamists into our country, and not giving enough support or information to muslims born in our country who have turned extreamist...

It's the Western world repression that has turned the East against us, they have the oil we don't... Its Black Gold and we want it at any cost.

In fact I hate the Western World as much as the extreamists...

I hate English Scum... (People that live off of my taxes doing BUGGER all).

Heck I would go as far as saying I hate the world as it is today...

MAY BE WE NEED A 3RD WORLD WAR !!!!

You guys could be right... some times War is nessary...

Quote from: landofshadows on February 11, 2007, 11:30:42 PM
Errmmm... I suppose we could fill the hole with water and may be the the nucular fall out would heat the water to make the biggest hot spring ever....??... Choice of that or Buttlins, I would go to Iran... So I am with Fu, Nuke it... I mean it's not really a War if they don't have a chance, it's always good to hit some one before they hit you even if they are an old ugly lady...

You know we were kidding, right? You are tremendously stupid.

QuoteCuz thats what Iran is... Its one of them Ugly old Lady's nobody likes, not even their own grand kids.  It looks and sound nasty, and smells funny.  So obviously you want it out of the way, as long as there is some thing left in the whill aftewards...LOL... So you wait until the Old Fuddy says some thing like "If you don't back the F'CK up I am gunna give you you what for", Then you smack it first (Even though it was helpless) You can say "well it threatend me first what was I to do...?"

Iran can fight. Its guerillas can fight even better. It's not a defenceless little old lady.

QuoteERRR MR Bush, did you ever find Bin-Larden...?

Eugh, any fucker who says dumb shit like this should be shot and/or stabbed (depending on which nationality said fucker is). It's been a few years in a war that will take many years, an ongoing conflict  that's not going away anytime soon. Bin Laden isn't as important as al-Qaeda itself, anyhow.

QuoteI don't like Extreamists in their own country, but what I hate more is them being in mine... and all these wars are doing is moving Terror closer to home...

So may be Terror has already won as so much more a real prospect of happening right here on our own door steps... I didn't fear terror attacks until we launched an attack on terror...

I was going to note the variety of terror attacks from 1970-2001, but you'd probably dismiss them as governmental conspiracy.

QuoteI know your going to say "We don't given into terror, you should not fear it"... So would you feel slightly off if a Muslim walked on to your bus with the words NEWYORK written on a jumper and carrying a Ruck sack...?

Americans don't use buses unless they're hobos, silly. Seriously though, no, I wouldn't feel any more 'off' than when pretty much any of the other passengers get on (freaks use the bus, I say!).

QuoteAre Muslims in your country now trying to say your country is now as Muslim state just cuz they have more people how ticked ballet boxes Musilm than any other religion ?...

What the fuck?

QuoteI HATE THE WAR ON TERROR, its making England and most of Europe Shite.[/quotes]
Sunni all the way, bitches.

QuoteI think the only way to win is as Fu pointed out... I hate War, but if its gunna be done its got to be done with no half measures.

...Seriously? :|

QuoteIt's the Western world repression that has turned the East against us, they have the oil we don't... Its Black Gold and we want it at any cost.

FUCK IT. GOD. We have gone over this at least 10 times, oil is an aspect not a cause.

QuoteIn fact I hate the Western World as much as the extreamists...

I hate English Scum... (People that live off of my taxes doing BUGGER all).

As much as I hate social welfare programmes, this isn't the place to bitch about it.

QuoteMAY BE WE NEED A 3RD WORLD WAR !!!!

I'm imaging extremist and anti-Western Muslims throughout the Middle East pouring into Israel, Iraq, and Afghanistan to attack the Coalition and Israeli forces whilst there's an invasion of Iran; meanwhile, China, the US, and their allies engage in aerial and naval battles in the Pacific, and ground conflicts in Korea, Taiwan, and other Asian countries.

QuoteYou guys could be right... some times War is nessary...

I'm always right.

QuoteWhat the fuck?

Muslims are trying to say England is a Muslim state... They want to pass a law that all women have to wear face vails and all sorts... Watch this RUbbish:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOfU7wskFdg&eurl=  Or This one:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH_0SlaD4O4&NR

Some of the above video's show a clear haterd from young muslims to English people and England its-self... Its fairly worrying.

QuoteYou know we were kidding, right? You are tremendously stupid.

Your joking but at the same time I bet you don't give a toss what happens to Iran.

QuoteIran can fight. Its guerillas can fight even better. It's not a defenceless little old lady.

Ah, yes I forgot these guerillas can jump high into the air and punch Nukes away like no tomorrow.

QuoteEugh, any fucker who says dumb shit like this should be shot and/or stabbed (depending on which nationality said fucker is). It's been a few years in a war that will take many years, an ongoing conflict  that's not going away anytime soon. Bin Laden isn't as important as al-Qaeda itself, anyhow.

You can find Saddam in a hole in the middle of no place... but you can't find a bloke in a complex of mountain caves... & al-Qaeda is world spread, we have tangents of them right here in England, and we can't do nothing about them supporting al-Qaeda until they are caught trying to detonate... Heck we even put Muslim Extreamists on TV to air their veiws, if we know they are extreamists, lock em up or deport them !!!... You will never beat al-Qaeda so consider your selves beaten.

QuoteI was going to note the variety of terror attacks from 1970-2001, but you'd probably dismiss them as governmental conspiracy.

So just how many Muslim attacks had been made against England before 2001 ?

QuoteAmericans don't use buses unless they're hobos, silly. Seriously though, no, I wouldn't feel any more 'off' than when pretty much any of the other passengers get on (freaks use the bus, I say!).

We English do... and Tubes...

QuoteAs much as I hate social welfare programmes, this isn't the place to bitch about it.

Just pointing out the World is shite, every country has it's bad elements... May be a War is about due... A BIG ONE !!!... Oh and not the place to Bitch about it... Who's threads this you numpty...?

QuoteI'm always right.

Well that's as wrong as wrong can get right there  ;D

Someone needs to kill those Terrorist sometime..
So lets do it right away..
Not ?

I wasn't actually kidding about nukes... 0.o

I want to nuke france too.

SexualBubblegumX - LMAO

The French don't do much really do they... But it's not a bad place.

I am kind of Warming to the idea of a a War with Iran, but for all the wrong reasons... I hate the planet, the only countries I like are Canada, Austrillia, New-Z-land <-(I know I look as thick as Shite b4 some one points that out) And a couple of European countries like Amsterdam.  Any other country including England I don't give a rats bollox at this point and time if it's Nuked.

I have had some piss poor stuff happen in the last few weeks... and most of it is cuz of the last 10 years of goverment changes and acting in the best interest of the people... More like Politians Pockets...

GGGGrrrrr

Any ways... If a War on Iran will cause Chaos and one party remaining on top, the Shira Law or Western Law and the other being lost in history than thats fine with me... if the Muslims win, If you can't beat then join em... If Western Law wins then Fab-Tab a Dozzy it's a bonus....

If we Are going to start this war I hope we don't fanny about and call it a War on Terror, we should call it a War on Shira Law... Cuz that's what it is fundimentally...

You best damn like america! It's where the world's supply of Sexual Bubblegum comes from!

I don't like America... Well not all of it.

Some area's I like some I don't.

I bet if you could Nuke a State you might point a finger at Texas...LOL

I'd only nuke the part of Texas Djang lives in. Hopefully that isn't near anything important.

War is sometimes necessary but it is not needed at this time. Attacking Iran would cause more problemes than solve them. I don't see why Bush started this "War on Terror" in the first place.

Because after 9/11 the whole country was worked up and wanted blood. It what most countries would do honestly.

>.>
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Well, I don't see much of a reason to attack Iran.

I never said there was a point. Just when the 'war on terror' startd we were all really pissed off, and now we arent pissed off.

So hypothetically, if we were still pissed we'd prolly be like, "rawr! kill them deads! diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeee!"

The election is in about a year and a few months, so we'll see what the next president does. Hopefuly we'll get a good one.

So far it looks like we're getting another batch of losers.

Hilary Clinton can suck the fart out of my ass.

Quote from: landofshadows on February 12, 2007, 02:18:10 AM
Muslims are trying to say England is a Muslim state... They want to pass a law that all women have to wear face vails and all sorts... Watch this RUbbish:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOfU7wskFdg&eurl=  Or This one:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH_0SlaD4O4&NR

Man, the thought of a caliphate in Britain. Ahahaha

QuoteYour joking but at the same time I bet you don't give a toss what happens to Iran.

Wrong! I am plenty concerned with what happens in Persia. I'm not the one advocating a nuclear attack against the country.

QuoteAh, yes I forgot these guerillas can jump high into the air and punch Nukes away like no tomorrow.

No, but politics are very good at that.

QuoteYou can find Saddam in a hole in the middle of no place... but you can't find a bloke in a complex of mountain caves... & al-Qaeda is world spread, we have tangents of them right here in England, and we can't do nothing about them supporting al-Qaeda until they are caught trying to detonate... Heck we even put Muslim Extreamists on TV to air their veiws, if we know they are extreamists, lock em up or deport them !!!... You will never beat al-Qaeda so consider your selves beaten.

You're being stupid again. Al-Qaeda CAN be beaten, it's just going to take time and effort.  Furthermore, the circumstances surrounding the capture of Hussein and so far failed capture of bin Laden are very different. Nonetheless, the organisation is more important than the man anyhow.

QuoteSo just how many Muslim attacks had been made against England before 2001 ?

Since you like Wiki lists, I'll give you one- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism#Examples_of_major_incidents

QuoteJust pointing out the World is shite, every country has it's bad elements... May be a War is about due... A BIG ONE !!!... Oh and not the place to Bitch about it... Who's threads this you numpty...?

It's a thread about Iran, want to degenerate a thread you started? I didn't realise that just because you sparked off a thread it was 'yours', but whatever.

QuoteWell that's as wrong as wrong can get right there  ;D

>:|

QuoteSince you like Wiki lists, I'll give you one- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism#Examples_of_major_incidents

There's nothing in that link about England and Muslim attacks, so all you have done is backed up my post... TA Very much.

QuoteMan, the thought of a caliphate in Britain. Ahahaha

Hold on I laughed that much I wet myself.... NOT !!!! (I don't get NOT jokes they're lame)

QuoteNo, but politics are very good at that.

At the moment they're not doing to good... I mean the president of Iran is being with hard hitting acusations of funding the War in Iraq.

QuoteYou're being stupid again. Al-Qaeda CAN be beaten, it's just going to take time and effort.

I don't think I can recall any terrorist cell being fully wipped out... I have heard of them laying down arms, but never being beaten... And with Al-Qaeda having such a strong backing world over there will always be Varients of the main core group, they may come under another banner, but they will be a break away  cell of the greater groups we have now... Infact if you did crush Al-Qaeda you will no doubt get an even stronger enemy in the future when those terrorist kids get older.

QuoteIt's a thread about Iran, want to degenerate a thread you started? I didn't realise that just because you sparked off a thread it was 'yours', but whatever.

Actually... If we declared war on Iran it would spark a world war... I was just pointing out why that may not be a bad thing, showing both sides of the argueement... if any thing I am adding to the debate not taking away.

Quote from: landofshadows on February 14, 2007, 08:58:51 AMThere's nothing in that link about England and Muslim attacks, so all you have done is backed up my post... TA Very much.

I didn't realise that England was the only country that mattered, but okay. I'm sure there have been attacks on Britain, I'll have to look that up later though.

QuoteHold on I laughed that much I wet myself.... NOT !!!! (I don't get NOT jokes they're lame)

In America, kids usually realise that NOT jokes aren't funny after the 5th or 6th grades. I guess in Britain it takes a few more years?

QuoteAt the moment they're not doing to good... I mean the president of Iran is being with hard hitting acusations of funding the War in Iraq.

What? I don't get your meaning.

QuoteI don't think I can recall any terrorist cell being fully wipped out... I have heard of them laying down arms, but never being beaten... And with Al-Qaeda having such a strong backing world over there will always be Varients of the main core group, they may come under another banner, but they will be a break away  cell of the greater groups we have now... Infact if you did crush Al-Qaeda you will no doubt get an even stronger enemy in the future when those terrorist kids get older.

It's a war of ideas (which will often correlate with hot conflicts, like in Iraq and Afghanistan). Thusly, it CAN get defeated. It'll just be in a different way than our past enemies.

QuoteActually... If we declared war on Iran it would spark a world war...

Uh... what gives you that idea? Because China's buddy buddy with Iran? We've already established that it's not very likely that China will get in a war with the USA.

QuoteWhat? I don't get your meaning.

I am saying at the moment politics is digging a bigger fricken hole for Iran at the moment.

QuoteI didn't realise that England was the only country that mattered, but okay. I'm sure there have been attacks on Britain, I'll have to look that up later though.

My whole point was until England backed the USA English born Muslims had not attacked England, they didn't feel repressed or alein in our country until now.

QuoteIn America, kids usually realise that NOT jokes aren't funny after the 5th or 6th grades. I guess in Britain it takes a few more years?

I Was taking the piss out your remark about English having to now battle with Shira Law just cuz we aided you guys in Iraq.

QuoteUh... what gives you that idea? Because China's buddy buddy with Iran? We've already established that it's not very likely that China will get in a war with the USA.

America plays a smaller part in China's Econmic strength but Iran holds a fair sway:-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55414-2004Nov16.html

I just think the monkey is going to far.  Impeach the monkey name bush. He has brought nothing but misery to america.

Quote from: landofshadows on February 15, 2007, 08:59:21 AM
I am saying at the moment politics is digging a bigger fricken hole for Iran at the moment.

ORLY!?

QuoteMy whole point was until England backed the USA English born Muslims had not attacked England, they didn't feel repressed or alein in our country until now.

Are you implying that England was a land of tolerance until the War on Terror? You're making no sense.

QuoteI Was taking the piss out your remark about English having to now battle with Shira Law just cuz we aided you guys in Iraq.

The English government is considering implementing Sharia law? :D
Seriously though- what?

QuoteAmerica plays a smaller part in China's Econmic strength but Iran holds a fair sway:-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55414-2004Nov16.html

Yes, but the US is a much larger and more powerful partner- so is Western Europe (England and other countries in Euroland may join the US in any embargoes).
Also, that article is 3 years old.

Quote from: AlianceKing2007 on February 16, 2007, 06:12:30 AM
I just think the monkey is going to far.  Impeach the monkey name bush. He has brought nothing but misery to america.

Y'know, I'm no fan of Bush either, but quite frankly I think it's silly that people here (and indeed, elsewhere) ascribe all of America's and many of the world's ills on Bush- then they go on to paint a portrait of him as the worst dictator since Hitler.

Really, Bush is just..."distraction president" anymore.

Yelling at/about him obviously does nothing, let's at least TRY to find another possible cause, eh people?

Have anyone notice that both bush's father and son like war too much. lol

A war in Iran would fail miserably, just like Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.. You can't win a war if you have an unjust cause for it, the people in Iran would be the victims, forced to defend their homes from the evil invaders, and america would become even more hated than it already is.

Quote from: Elegy on February 24, 2007, 08:30:31 AM
A war in Iran would fail miserably, just like Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.. You can't win a war if you have an unjust cause for it, the people in Iran would be the victims, forced to defend their homes from the evil invaders, and america would become even more hated than it already is.

Thanks for your amazing insight.

Quote from: Elegy on February 24, 2007, 08:30:31 AM
A war in Iran would fail miserably, just like Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.. You can't win a war if you have an unjust cause for it, the people in Iran would be the victims, forced to defend their homes from the evil invaders, and america would become even more hated than it already is.

I couldn't agree more than I am agreeing now with that statement. But I think the war would not fail.

Quote from: ataraxy2 on February 24, 2007, 10:27:41 AMI couldn't agree more than I am agreeing now with that statement.

Hopefully not with the part whee he says that an unjust war can't be won. The US isn't bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq because of the morality of the war; it's because the opponents blend in perfectly with the local population and use guerrilla tactics.

Quote from: Elegy on February 24, 2007, 08:30:31 AM
...the people in Iran would be the victims, forced to defend their homes from the evil invaders, and america would become even more hated than it already is.

That part.

FIRST OF ALL, I STRONGLY SUGGEST, A WAR SHOULDN'T ENSUE ON IRAN, SECOND OF ALL, IRAN HAS COUNTRIES THE U.S. ARE AFRAID OF. RUSSIA, NORTH KOREA, JAPAN (I FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT JAPAN?), AND IT WILL BE AN OPPURTUNITY FOR ALL THE MUSLIM NATIONS TO UNITE.

NATIONS PROBABLY UNITING:
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Burkina Faso *
Brunei
Chad *
Comoros
Côte d'Ivoire *
Djibouti
Eritrea *
Ethiopia *
Egypt
Gambia
Guinea
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jordan
Kuwait
Kazakhstan *
Kyrgyzstan
Lebanon
Libya
Maldives
Malaysia
Mali
Mauritania
Morocco
Niger
Nigeria *
Oman
Pakistan
Palestine
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Sierra Leone
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Tajikistan
Turkey
Tunisia
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
United Arab Emirates
Yemen

So now ask yourself, look at all the elements (Pissed off Muslims, nations ready to fight, the arab peace keeping force [developed by saudi arabia])

Now would it be wise to be having declared war by all those nations? It's just my theory, look at the main countries, they're pissed and wanna help out in the war

Ruhani777...just LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
*rolls on ground*
LOLOLOLOL
the Saudis come Iran's aid...the only country's i'd say you got right would be western Afghanistan, Lebanon, southern Iraq...maybe north Korea but most of the country's you named are Sunni and hate the Iranians and most are not exactly how should we say in fighting shape but still non the less the khomanieh legacy will win the war.

iran is sunni dude, prolly like 1/5th the countries i listed are shi`a

Ruhani, you should become a freedom fighter for the Muslim cause. Go fight young soldier! Fight the American infidel, scum of the earth!

ALLAHU AQBAR!

Quote from: gonorrhoea on March 20, 2007, 03:32:39 AM
Ruhani, you should become a freedom fighter for the Muslim cause. Go fight young soldier! Fight the American infidel, scum of the earth!

ALLAHU AQBAR!

You really are hitting the government where it hurts most.  Yeah right.  Bush doesn't give a damn about the people in America.  If America gets nuked, he'll probably be hiding some place under ground like a coward and the rest of America dying.  If Bush wants to fight Iran, he should fight it himself, he'll probably send laura to do his work instead.

I think there is a fair bit of confussion in regards to Shi'a & Sunni...

Also there has been a fair bit of recent talks between North Korea and the Easten Muslim states with the USA, there is a slow progess being made...

I very much doubt the way things are panning out now there will be a War.

But if there was one, I think regardless of id a Muslim is Shi'a or Sunni would factor, I mean the Koran that they follow does say an attack on a muslim is an attack on your self, and I think that one passage could turn the War into a war against muslims... West Vs East

(The Above is a very simple outline)

Quote from: gonorrhoea on March 20, 2007, 03:32:39 AM
Ruhani, you should become a freedom fighter for the Muslim cause. Go fight young soldier! Fight the American infidel, scum of the earth!

ALLAHU AQBAR!

Really mature... Simpleton.

Quote from: Ruhani777 on March 20, 2007, 03:12:37 AM
iran is sunni dude, prolly like 1/5th the countries i listed are shi`a

...wow...just...wow...dude you do realize Iran a Shia theocracy(well now a bit more a democracy)
and Iran has the largest Shia population in world but none of that matters because nobody would seriously consider war against Iran(well not a all out invasion) NOT because Sunni Arabs unite to help them but America will be smart enough not to overexpanded there forces(there already perty spread thin in just iraq and Afghanistan. 

Quote from: Elegy on March 20, 2007, 11:24:34 AMReally mature... Simpleton.

You haven't been banned yet? :/

QuoteRuhani, you should become a freedom fighter for the Muslim cause. Go fight young soldier! Fight the American infidel, scum of the earth!

ALLAHU AQBAR!

You just pretty much called some one a terrorist...

I would much rather be called a simpleton tham a Terrorist or extreamist muslim.

Back to Topic - War on Iran... Your Opinions

Many promises and words being spoken at the moment between heads of states could be full of black clouds, trying to mask their true agenders... I hope some truth is in what the officials in Iran are saying that they will help dissarm terrorist cells.  The only problem I see in that is Iran view Israel as a terrorist state, I really don't know what to make of the whole of the Eastern world at the moment every thing is upside down.

In Iraq you have freedom fighters giving aid to their factions, you have a great mistrust from the public against the forces their to protect them, they would much rather have aid from their own malitia.  You have a fight for power to become the next head of state and the peace keepers are talking about leaving.

Should we leave Iraq, I wonder if Iran will stop fueling the terrorist factions, or if they will continue as they know it may grant them more land/power in Iraq.

Simple if you look at it from irans point of veiw the U.S.A troopos are invading there contry and they are only protecting there land but just becuase the US are fighting for a good reson 9/11 but they got sadam yet there still fighting and i still dont get that.

The US try to use 9/11 as their own personal Holocaust, everything they do is somehow magically justified by going "9/11 made me do it.."

But thing is, 9/11 wasn't that big of a tragedy.
Only 3000ish deaths, thats nothing compared to most horrid things in the world right now.

The only reason it has been getting as much attention as it has, is because americans consider american lives worth more than everyone elses, and last time I checked that was called racism.

I say bush is an idiot, ok sure 9/11 was bad and i understand wanting to get sadam and all them but they got him and hanged him (I still dont get why they went crazy when it was put on you tube) they should of stopped after that i mean now soldiers are dying for nothing just becuse they think there fighting for somthing.

Quote from: landofshadows on March 21, 2007, 08:40:05 AMYou just pretty much called some one a terrorist...

I was being facetious, he's not smart enough to pull off any such attacks of any level!

QuoteI would much rather be called a simpleton tham a Terrorist or extreamist muslim.

Some kids called me Osama bin Laden because of my skin colour and physique :(

QuoteThe only problem I see in that is Iran view Israel as a terrorist state, I really don't know what to make of the whole of the Eastern world at the moment every thing is upside down.

The Middle East is upfucked, it's no secret! There are obviously very complex relations and problems riddled throughout the region and quite a bit of factionalism.

QuoteIn Iraq you have freedom fighters giving aid to their factions, you have a great mistrust from the public against the forces their to protect them, they would much rather have aid from their own malitia.  You have a fight for power to become the next head of state and the peace keepers are talking about leaving.

oh noes

QuoteShould we leave Iraq, I wonder if Iran will stop fueling the terrorist factions, or if they will continue as they know it may grant them more land/power in Iraq.

Think about this, what's Iran going to do? Do you honestly think it's not going to exploit that!?

Quote from: Paris_Hilton on March 21, 2007, 09:29:16 AM
Simple if you look at it from irans point of veiw the U.S.A troopos are invading there contry and they are only protecting there land but just becuase the US are fighting for a good reson 9/11 but they got sadam yet there still fighting and i still dont get that.

Saddam... didn't have anything to do with 9/11.

Quote from: Elegy on March 21, 2007, 09:53:17 AMThe only reason it has been getting as much attention as it has, is because americans consider american lives worth more than everyone elses, and last time I checked that was called racism.

It's not racism you fuck, it's an attack on one's country and shows obvious flaws in security as well as showing that there's an enemy out there that wants to kill you for being American. So yeah, they're going to pay attention and seek retribution. And of course, you'd be thinking quite differently if, say, 3,000 people were killed in a bombing raid by America (or any of the European powers) in Iraq. Because they're poor innocent little Iraqis. Racist! :O

Quote from: Paris_Hilton on March 21, 2007, 09:55:36 AM
I say bush is an idiot, ok sure 9/11 was bad and i understand wanting to get sadam and all them but they got him and hanged him (I still dont get why they went crazy when it was put on you tube) they should of stopped after that i mean now soldiers are dying for nothing just becuse they think there fighting for somthing.

You fill me with rage.

 :shroom: Hell we should have just nuked the fuck out of them! I don't fucking care about whether or not it is morally exceptable! It would eliminate all of the problems.

Also, I own a copy of the Koran, and it states clearly that the will of Allah is that you cleanse Earth of non-beleivers!

I mean what the fuck?!

Um buddy if you drop a nuke your own country won't exist for much longer and as for that quote your mistranslating it.

QuoteIt's not racism you fuck, it's an attack on one's country and shows obvious flaws in security as well as showing that there's an enemy out there that wants to kill you for being American. So yeah, they're going to pay attention and seek retribution. And of course, you'd be thinking quite differently if, say, 3,000 people were killed in a bombing raid by America (or any of the European powers) in Iraq. Because they're poor innocent little Iraqis. Racist! :O

Actually Iraq killed amarincan soldiers in the 90's. You really didn't do anything. The government plays thing down when it doesn't benefit them and overplays things they can take advantage of.

Well no shit?
Also you missed the point of that quote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks

:/

This isn't about oil.

Excuse me, wasn't. Now we're in overseas for two reasons -

1.) Fighting terrorism.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21423064-401,00.html

2.) Because we can't get out.

EDIT :

Quote from: Elegy on March 21, 2007, 09:53:17 AM
The US try to use 9/11 as their own personal Holocaust, everything they do is somehow magically justified by going "9/11 made me do it.."

But thing is, 9/11 wasn't that big of a tragedy.
Only 3000ish deaths, thats nothing compared to most horrid things in the world right now.

The only reason it has been getting as much attention as it has, is because americans consider american lives worth more than everyone elses, and last time I checked that was called racism.

Just because others don't defend themselves when they're attacked doesn't mean we're about to back down. Also, the only reason it's been getting as much attention as it is, is because  nobody will drop the issue. You hear more about 9/11 in other countries than you do in the US. You rarely hear about it now.

To be honest I'm ashamed of most people in my country, they claim to be Americans but then spit on those protecting our freedom that our fathers died to protect. They've completely forgotten the significance of 9/11.

Quote from: Tsunokiette on March 22, 2007, 01:05:37 AMThey've completely forgotten the significance of 9/11.

I hope by this you mean that it illustrated the dangers of poor airport security and made Americans aware of changes in the world since the end of the USSR (although I wouldn't say that they've become more knowledgeable about them).

Quote from: Saladin on March 22, 2007, 02:08:06 AM

Quote from: Tsunokiette on March 22, 2007, 01:05:37 AMThey've completely forgotten the significance of 9/11.

I hope by this you mean that it illustrated the dangers of poor airport security and made Americans aware of changes in the world since the end of the USSR (although I wouldn't say that they've become more knowledgeable about them).

No. By this I meant they've forgotten the pain and heartbreak 1000's felt that day. As well as the terror.

Also -

QuoteOnly 3000ish deaths, thats nothing compared to most horrid things in the world right now.

That number was only the ammount of bodies they FOUND. There were thousands upon thousands of bodies they never found. Do you know why? Because they were completely destroyed during the attack. NOTHING LEFT.

Question: Do you think this man deserved to die?

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/unsolved/btk/index_1.html

Also, please note that this DOES have to do with the discussion.

Thousands feel pain and heartbreak every day.

Quote from: gonIt's not racism you fuck, it's an attack on one's country and shows obvious flaws in security as well as showing that there's an enemy out there that wants to kill you for being American. So yeah, they're going to pay attention and seek retribution. And of course, you'd be thinking quite differently if, say, 3,000 people were killed in a bombing raid by America (or any of the European powers) in Iraq. Because they're poor innocent little Iraqis. Racist! :O

Actually I don't discriminate between countries, attempts to play on some twisted sense of pride due to being born in a specific part of the world is wasted on me.
I don't care if you're American, Hungarian, Brittish, Iraqi, Japanese or Mongolian.
It doesn't matter, 3000 is still only 3000, it's not a large amount of people.

Quote from: TsunokietteTo be honest I'm ashamed of most people in my country, they claim to be Americans but then spit on those protecting our freedom that our fathers died to protect. They've completely forgotten the significance of 9/11.

Yawn, all of the so called Americans are descendants of theives and murderers, who stole the country from the natives, don't you realize theres absolutely nothing to be proud of?


And I know there is going to be so much whining about that comment, but it's not my fault, I didn't write history.
Don't blame me just because I'm not pretending that the US is built on equality and fairness.

I hereby decree this post:


POINTLESS AND UNRESOLVABLE

 >:( Jesus! I'm tiredof hearing about 9/11! I've had it shoved down my throat for 6 years almost. Some people died. I'm not completely insensitive, I definitely know what it feels like to lose someone, but my God, you get over it. Aside from that, it was actually good for America too! It lowered our population that only India has beaten.

China and India are both more populous. Also they need fewer people.

Furthermore, Elegy your idiocy is starting to become scary.

Is that your best insult? I'm sorry if you feel it's unfair that history didn't happen the way you would have wanted it to.
So, by calling me an idiot, do you feel you have somehow undermined my point?

You obviously do not know anything about history.

QuoteYawn, all of the so called Americans are descendants of theives and murderers, who stole the country from the natives, don't you realize theres absolutely nothing to be proud of?

Yes, there was quite a bit of unfairness (many massacres and all that fun stuff), but to characterise all the colonists as 'thieves' and 'murderers' is rather unfair in and of itself- most were just trying to get by. Also try to understand the occurances from a contemporary societal and political perspective.

A continent is a pretty big thing to take from someone, if that isn't stealing, what is?
I am well aware of the political circumstances etc. surrounding the immigration, but that doesn't justify the immense loss the world has suffered due to it.

My point still remains, most countries are alot of things, but they sure as hell aren't something to be proud of.

I agree with elegy i mean most people are proud of their country's when in reality there is nothing to be proud about, also the war on terrorism, england we had a bus and a tube bombs and some others so now we are involved, and more troops are being sent in but if we pulled out our troops wouldn't die or get injured, but then people will argue saying that they will take advantage and launch more attacks on both country's.   

There was a massive debate on TV last night on the middles East (Mainly focused on Iraq) but it included some very important people it was on BBC 1 and BBC World... there are some clips on their home page:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm

When it came to talking about the fight on Iran a few people looked very uncomfatble and they brushed it aside by asking another question rather than answering it.

At the moment desiding on how to move forward with Iraq was the main agender... Should it be seperated into 3 states or left as a whole as the different muslim factions are still at war with each other... Around 30 people die a day either side, due to them backing a different religion.

Muslim is such a strong faith, it's scary just how fanatical each side can be over some very simple ideals.

I hope we never have to go to war over religion, if we do I think it will be the biggest mistake ever.

Quote from: Elegy on March 23, 2007, 07:03:15 AMA continent is a pretty big thing to take from someone, if that isn't stealing, what is?

Conquering isn't stealing. It's also not relevant to the discussion at hand, ie Iran.

Quote from: Paris_Hilton on March 23, 2007, 07:18:59 AM
I agree with elegy i mean most people are proud of their country's when in reality there is nothing to be proud about, also the war on terrorism, england we had a bus and a tube bombs and some others so now we are involved, and more troops are being sent in but if we pulled out our troops wouldn't die or get injured, but then people will argue saying that they will take advantage and launch more attacks on both country's.

Oh, because so many Brits have been killed in Iraq. It's like World War I all over again!

World war 1 and 2 were wars of self defence, thats why they were a success and why no one hated the US afterwards.
For instance, in WW2, everyone pitched in and helped win the war against Hitler.

But thats because Hitler started the war.

If the US is going to wage war against Iran just because they are under the impression that Iran might possibly be a threat sometime in the future, people won't stand for it.
Pre-emptive attacks will never be justified.

Iraq
America seems to think as we are giving these Eastern countries a democracy that invading them is the right thing to do... Changing a country to a democracy through force I think is wrong... Simple reasons being is the people there have very little say or power compared to the Pockets of milita's.

Some of these Milita groups are backed by larger countries, and each side Are fairly well armed to match one and another, I think if we was to pull our forces out there would be a power stuggle, and those that could be elected into power through force or by votes may be no better than the regim before hand.

Iran
Funds a few of these milta groups, I think it supplies arms to both side... Iran and Iraq have come to blow's in the past under Saddam's rule, I doubt Iran will let that slide and will continue funding the blood shed in Iraq...

The East is not helping the East, they seem to be killing each other... I don't think it matters how long our troops stay there... We clear the violence from a street and move onto the next and as we are helping there the trouble soon ignites again in their area's just cleared.

Before we even try giving a democracy I think the Eastern world needs to look at things differently...

But... I doubt that will happen unless they are given a common goal like destroying the West... If there is one thing they hate more than their neighbouring states it's the Western world.

Quote from: gonorrhoea on March 23, 2007, 10:10:59 AM

Quote from: Elegy on March 23, 2007, 07:03:15 AMA continent is a pretty big thing to take from someone, if that isn't stealing, what is?

Conquering isn't stealing. It's also not relevant to the discussion at hand, ie Iran.

Quote from: Paris_Hilton on March 23, 2007, 07:18:59 AM
I agree with elegy i mean most people are proud of their country's when in reality there is nothing to be proud about, also the war on terrorism, england we had a bus and a tube bombs and some others so now we are involved, and more troops are being sent in but if we pulled out our troops wouldn't die or get injured, but then people will argue saying that they will take advantage and launch more attacks on both country's.

Oh, because so many Brits have been killed in Iraq. It's like World War I all over again!

Oh im sorry because not many brits have been killed or injured that will win this debate right here, you fagot i bet if someone you knew or cared bout got killed in Iran then you would be singing praise on not going to war

Cool it. Come back by putting in a good argument, not with petty name calling.

fine

another that i think has been said hasn't Iran been developing nukes? Im sure they do now that would be a problem if there desprate and need a trump card even if we have nukes too they fire one and well does not need to be explained.

Quote from: Elegy on March 23, 2007, 11:51:47 AM
World war 1 and 2 were wars of self defence, thats why they were a success and why no one hated the US afterwards.
For instance, in WW2, everyone pitched in and helped win the war against Hitler.

World War I was war of self defence? No, it was a war triggered by messy alliances- you can read about how it started on Wikipedia. Same with World War II, somewhat, Britain  entered the war because of the invasion of Poland (to simplify matters). Now, for the Soviets it was indeed a war of defence (although they did kind of partake in making Poland piecemeal initially), and for the war against the Japanese for the Americans.
So no, the war in Europe was started by Britain.
Oh and, I wasn't actually comparing the war in Iraq to WWI, I assumed that was obvious. Silly me.

QuoteIf the US is going to wage war against Iran just because they are under the impression that Iran might possibly be a threat sometime in the future, people won't stand for it.
Pre-emptive attacks will never be justified.

Not necessarily true, if a nation may be a threat it will likely have much backing. However, I agree that there should not be an invasion of Iran. We don't need a third country in shambles to try and manage.

Quote from: landofshadows on March 23, 2007, 02:33:10 PMAmerica seems to think as we are giving these Eastern countries a democracy that invading them is the right thing to do... Changing a country to a democracy through force I think is wrong... Simple reasons being is the people there have very little say or power compared to the Pockets of milita's.

It's difficult and it will take a while but I don't think it's impossible, and to be fair most Americans probably thought it'd be much easier- after all, who wouldn't want to live like the Americans? And America's 'rehabilitated' several countries in the past, so most people expected it to go along in like manner.

QuoteBefore we even try giving a democracy I think the Eastern world needs to look at things differently...

That's a harsh generalisation against the Eastern world. There are democracies there, too.

QuoteBut... I doubt that will happen unless they are given a common goal like destroying the West... If there is one thing they hate more than their neighbouring states it's the Western world.

... :|

Quote from: Paris_Hilton on March 23, 2007, 05:39:33 PM
Oh im sorry because not many brits have been killed or injured that will win this debate right here, you fagot i bet if someone you knew or cared bout got killed in Iran then you would be singing praise on not going to war

Fagot is the new fagget. Anyways, I've already said I'm against the war in Iran and furthermore shit like that happens, I obviously don't know how I'd react if a close friend or family member died in a war but that's no excuse for not going. PEOPLE DIE! Many of them are close to you, war's not glorious and anyone who says otherwise is a liar. Also I plan on going to war one day, so I may very well be one of the dead.

As for nukes, what the fuck?

gonorrhoea
Fagot is spelt Faggot not Fagget in the English Dictionary:- Faggot (epithet), a pejorative term for a gay or effeminate man

Quoteafter all, who wouldn't want to live like the Americans?

Us English folk... Most dislike the American Voice, waste lines, comittal to flag and religion and your attitudes towards Gloabal warming... I don't think America is viewed in the same way it once was say 20 years ago... And the view is only getting Worst.

Paris_Hilton
Gono can be a little insenertive online... He may look a Faggot in real life, but that does not make him Gay, and to use the Word Faggot may offend those that are Gay.

Any Way Back on Topic

I was reading this artical the other day, I found it fairly interesting:- http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/842071.html

Could the Capture of the Brittish Navel Soliders be the Spark the USA needs to invade... Only time will tell...

I mean should Iran threaten to harm them unless the detainee's are released from their home land it will be seen as a terrorist demand...LOL

I know there is nothing funny about this situation... and I hope it de-esculates before it starts to kick off.

QuoteIran: If U.S. starts war with us, it won't be the one that finishes

By Reuters

A senior Iranian military official warned the United States against launching any attack on the Islamic Republic, a news agency reported on Monday, two days after the United Nations imposed new sanctions on Iran.

"If America starts a war against Iran, it won't be the one who finishes it," Morteza Saffari, naval forces commander of the elite Revolutionary Guards, was quoted as saying by the ISNA news agency.

"Our people will not even allow one American soldier to enter our country," Saffari said.

International tension over Iran's disputed nuclear program
has risen in recent days, sending oil and gold prices higher. The West suspects Iran is seeking to make atom bombs, a charge Tehran denies.

Iran said on Sunday it would limit cooperation with the UN's nuclear watchdog and vowed not to halt its atomic
program "even for one second" after the Security Council voted to impose new arms and financial sanctions on Tehran.

On Friday, Iran's Revolutionary Guards seized 15 British navy personnel in the Gulf, sparking a diplomatic crisis.

The United States, which is leading efforts to isolate Iran over its nuclear ambitions, has said it prefers a diplomatic solution to the crisis but has not ruled out military options.

"We have the spirit of resistance and this is a factor to stop [them] Saffari said. "Our nation's unity and martyrdom-seeking spirit with God's help is always a guarantee for the Islamic Iran's resistance."

Iran to grant access to British detainees
Iran will grant British diplomats access to the 15 British detainees in Tehran, state-television IRIB reported Monday.

The British detainees had reportedly been held so far in a secret place where even British diplomats had no access. IRIB further quoted Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki as denying speculations over Iran's intention to exchange the British detainees with Iranian diplomats arrested by the United States in Iraq.

Mottaki further said in a press conference in New York that the charge against the British sailors arrested in Iran is illegal entry into Iranian waters. Some press reports had said the marines would be charged with espionage. Mottaki added that the issue is being currently under legal examination without giving any further details.

Foreign Ministry General Director Rahim Pour had on Sunday told British Ambassador to Tehran, Geoffrey Adams, that all 15 British detainees in Tehran were in good health.

The Iranian official added that despite the Persian New Year holidays (until April 2), relevant Iranian officials were following the issue. He added that Iran has constantly tried to show restraint in border conflicts but "violation [of Iranian territory] and contradictory remarks by relevant British officials have caused some reactions within [Iranian] people and officials."

"Therefore, such suspicious moves require accurate and documented investigations," the Foreign Ministry official said. The tone from Tehran on Sunday was considered by observers as softer than in the first 48 hours following the arrest of the British service people in the Persian Gulf, indicating that Iran was looking for a way to settle the issue without further escalating the crisis.

Quote from: landofshadows on March 26, 2007, 04:25:26 PM
gonorrhoea
Fagot is spelt Faggot not Fagget in the English Dictionary:- Faggot (epithet), a pejorative term for a gay or effeminate man

Catch the joke then?

QuoteUs English folk... Most dislike the American Voice, waste lines, comittal to flag and religion and your attitudes towards Gloabal warming... I don't think America is viewed in the same way it once was say 20 years ago... And the view is only getting Worst.

You missed the point, I realise plenty of people don't. I was merely stating that many Americans don't look at it that way.

QuoteGono can be a little insenertive online... He may look a Faggot in real life, but that does not make him Gay, and to use the Word Faggot may offend those that are Gay.

You've never even seen me in real life :|

QuoteCould the Capture of the Brittish Navel Soliders be the Spark the USA needs to invade... Only time will tell...

I mean should Iran threaten to harm them unless the detainee's are released from their home land it will be seen as a terrorist demand...LOL

I know there is nothing funny about this situation... and I hope it de-esculates before it starts to kick off.

SEND IN DELTA FORCE!
And maybe they can fail like back in 1980! :D

Yes because sending in a team of highly trained operatives will not spark of a war now will it 

QuoteYou've never even seen me in real life :|

You said it your self you look like Bin Larden... He looks like a Faggot... LOL

QuoteSEND IN DELTA FORCE!
And maybe they can fail like back in 1980!

Or the AA team... Hold on I don't think Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors are to much this weekend... Oh and for a bowl of Felix I think the Thundercats will be up for a ruck !!!

Quote from: landofshadows on March 27, 2007, 07:52:35 AMYou said it your self you look like Bin Larden... He looks like a Faggot... LOL

I DO NOT!
It was some fuckwit that said that :(

QuoteOr the AA team... Hold on I don't think Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors are to much this weekend... Oh and for a bowl of Felix I think the Thundercats will be up for a ruck !!!

I do not understand these British culture references.

Quote from: link_999 on March 26, 2007, 11:12:53 PM
Yes because sending in a team of highly trained operatives will not spark of a war now will it

Congratulations for totally missing sarcasm. Come on, that was obvious even for the Internet!

QuoteIt was some fuckwit that said that

Oooops Sorry.

Any way Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors was a Cartoon aired on Sky around 1992... Thunder cats Has now gone to DVD that was originaly aired around in 1988... and I ment the A Team every one knows the A team ?? (Don't they ?)

Jayce
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Thunder Cats
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A Team
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Any way back to topic

Latest on the Events that MAY lead to a War:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6501555.stm

More on current events:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6505453.stm