Deadly School Incidents

Naphe · October 10, 2006, 01:18:54 AM

Aren't I just thought I would make it apparent to people, because I can't let it be set aside any longer. In this last two months there have been a chain of 4 columbine replicated incidents. Today a 13 year old KID brought an AK47 to his middle school, though due to his inexperience of guns it jammed. Though I've been seeing these incidents alot more than I care to see, and I'm starting to worry about myself, *being a student myself*, as well as others nationwide. I just want to get some insight into what everyone thinks about these incidents, because I think that once was way more than enough and if people don't see the problem then we only shall promote incidents as several of us have seen.

Arrow · October 10, 2006, 01:23:29 AM

This is somewhat disturbing. Parents need to take a more proactive role against such behavior. And NO, I don't mean blame the television, (which, so you know, is NOT a fucking babysitter) or take the easy out and blame videogames. (Because guess what, YOU BOUGHT 'EM.) I mean get off of your ass, pay attention to how your child feels and raise your kids the old fashioned way.

Tsunokiette · October 10, 2006, 01:24:44 AM

That's right, with a belt.

Arrow · October 10, 2006, 01:26:41 AM

I am not opposed to this method. Simple cause and effect, with a bit of symbolism.

Naphe · October 10, 2006, 01:43:43 AM

This May Offend Some People

Well, games are alright as long as they have some beneficial meaning behind them, but games like "Grand Theft Auto" only promote such actions. Also who said it was the parent's fault? We have a concious don't we? We want more liberty to do our own actions, but when kids mess up why do they blame it on their parents? True their parents play a big role, and parents that permit kids to be in gangs or ignore the facts of negative changes in a kids life SHOULD be criticized, but the kid who is the one who committed it should be held at 1st in the punishment list. Also if parents are so insecure to have a gun in the house, make sure it's unloaded, and remove the trigger. If a parent won't take that simple step, then kids will continue to be retards because they can dodge the blame, and start killing people without getting shunned upon. Parents that drink should STOP because if they have enough time to drink then they have enough time to pay attention to a kid which is 1st priority, and parents that can't commit to such a role shouldn't be parents NOR should be around kids.

Land of Vita · October 10, 2006, 01:50:19 AM

Quote from: Naphe on October 10, 2006, 01:43:43 AM
This May Offend Some People
Well, games are alright as long as they have some beneficial meaning behind them, but games like "Grand Theft Auto" only promote such actions. Also who said it was the parent's fault? We have a concious don't we? We want more liberty to do our own actions, but when kids mess up why do they blame it on their parents? True their parents play a big role, and parents that permit kids to be in gangs or ignore the facts of negative changes in a kids life SHOULD be criticized, but the kid who is the one who committed it should be held at 1st in the punishment list. Also if parents are so insecure to have a gun in the house, make sure it's unloaded, and remove the trigger. If a parent won't take that simple step, then kids will continue to be retards because they can dodge the blame, and start killing people without getting shunned upon. Parents that drink should STOP because if they have enough time to drink then they have enough time to pay attention to a kid which is 1st priority, and parents that can't commit to such a role shouldn't be parents NOR should be around kids.

Quite true, HOWEVER....

Violent games do not affect people as people say, if a kid DOES start copying what he/she sees, then that kid had a problem before getting the game.

Tsunokiette · October 10, 2006, 01:52:03 AM

Exactly, it just means the kid has a problem differentiating(sp?) reality and fantasy. It's a medical condition I like to call - "Wake up Moron, This is the Real World".

Naphe · October 10, 2006, 01:54:02 AM

Quote from: Land of Vita on October 10, 2006, 01:50:19 AM
Quote from: Naphe on October 10, 2006, 01:43:43 AM
This May Offend Some People
Well, games are alright as long as they have some beneficial meaning behind them, but games like "Grand Theft Auto" only promote such actions. Also who said it was the parent's fault? We have a concious don't we? We want more liberty to do our own actions, but when kids mess up why do they blame it on their parents? True their parents play a big role, and parents that permit kids to be in gangs or ignore the facts of negative changes in a kids life SHOULD be criticized, but the kid who is the one who committed it should be held at 1st in the punishment list. Also if parents are so insecure to have a gun in the house, make sure it's unloaded, and remove the trigger. If a parent won't take that simple step, then kids will continue to be retards because they can dodge the blame, and start killing people without getting shunned upon. Parents that drink should STOP because if they have enough time to drink then they have enough time to pay attention to a kid which is 1st priority, and parents that can't commit to such a role shouldn't be parents NOR should be around kids.

Quite true, HOWEVER....

Violent games do not affect people as people say, if a kid DOES start copying hear he/she sees, then that kid had a problem before getting the game.

Ahh, but how does a kid get the idea of violence and other negative ideas presented in GTA if they've never been presented to them before. For example, how would you get the idea of cells if you've never seen them before?

Land of Vita · October 10, 2006, 01:57:13 AM

That is not what I'm talking about, what the kid copies does not matter, it's the fact he's copying ANYTHING he see. Wheather it's good or bad.

Naphe · October 10, 2006, 02:02:57 AM

Quote from: Land of Vita on October 10, 2006, 01:57:13 AM
Quote from: Naphe on October 10, 2006, 01:54:02 AM
Quote from: Land of Vita on October 10, 2006, 01:50:19 AM
Quote from: Naphe on October 10, 2006, 01:43:43 AM
This May Offend Some People
Well, games are alright as long as they have some beneficial meaning behind them, but games like "Grand Theft Auto" only promote such actions. Also who said it was the parent's fault? We have a concious don't we? We want more liberty to do our own actions, but when kids mess up why do they blame it on their parents? True their parents play a big role, and parents that permit kids to be in gangs or ignore the facts of negative changes in a kids life SHOULD be criticized, but the kid who is the one who committed it should be held at 1st in the punishment list. Also if parents are so insecure to have a gun in the house, make sure it's unloaded, and remove the trigger. If a parent won't take that simple step, then kids will continue to be retards because they can dodge the blame, and start killing people without getting shunned upon. Parents that drink should STOP because if they have enough time to drink then they have enough time to pay attention to a kid which is 1st priority, and parents that can't commit to such a role shouldn't be parents NOR should be around kids.

Quite true, HOWEVER....

Violent games do not affect people as people say, if a kid DOES start copying hear he/she sees, then that kid had a problem before getting the game.

Ahh, but how does a kid get the idea of violence and other negative ideas presented in GTA if they've never been presented to them before. For example, how would you get the idea of cells if you've never seen them before?

That is not what I'm talking about, what the kid copies does not matter, it's the fact he's copying ANYTHING he see. Wheather it's good or bad.

People follow trends, your a victim of it to. So does that mean you have something wrong with you? People also dress like their favorite characters from games, "For Some Reason I Do Not Know", or a good anime. So do these people have problems to? The answer is no, according to majority opinion, and I agree only because it's another way for people to vent the pressures of the world so they don't overheat.

Land of Vita · October 10, 2006, 02:14:13 AM

That kind of exmaple can vary, if you are somewhat in touch with trends and you are not obsessed with them, no you don't have a problem. But....

If you are always on beat with trends and you lose sleep and get grey hairs over them, you do have a problem.

About the dressing up as a characters, almost the same thing. If you dress up once in a while, like for Halloween, you don't have a problem.

But if you wear your Spiderman costume everywhere and seem to lose your socal life, you may have a problem.

Arrow · October 10, 2006, 02:14:54 AM

This is intelligent debate guys, not the quote pyramid.

Land of Vita · October 10, 2006, 02:17:11 AM

^ We'll lose it.

Arrow · October 10, 2006, 02:22:17 AM

I understand what you were trying to say originally about not being able to distinguish between fiction/reality, but it was worded kind of funny, kind of skewed you point.

As for the costume comment, that is neither here nor there, as those individuals are fully aware that they are dressing up LIKE the characters, rather than transforming into them.

Tsunokiette · October 10, 2006, 02:24:55 AM

But what if you think you are them, thus transforming into them?

Land of Vita · October 10, 2006, 02:34:21 AM

Quote from: Tsunokiette on October 10, 2006, 02:24:55 AM
But what if you think you are them, thus transforming into them?

Simple. You have a problem.

Reives · October 10, 2006, 02:43:24 AM

Regarding the video game influence thing; I remember seeing a study done that showed the decrease in crime rate since video games of the said type were introduced... But however, the matter was affected by sources from all sides so the accuracy of the direct correlation is not clear. Perhaps without the video games, the crime rates would decrease even further. Who knows.

...Which just proved the pointlessness of the above paragraph.

Well I just want to point out something a slightly off-topic as comfort. One of the reasons that these incidents are seemingly becoming more of a threat is the power of advanced media technology now days. Back in the days, even if things happened, people would be oblivious to them since there was no such convinient ways for info to leak to them; and hence the existence of such matters would be seen as non-existent. So perhaps these threats are growing, or perhaps that the only change is the media is over-shining the incidents. Who knows.

...Which just proved the pointlessness of the above paragraph again.

I'm tired.

Naphe · October 10, 2006, 02:46:57 AM

It seems only Tsunokiette and Reives hit close...

Anyway Reives it is the fault of the media, because do we really want to know all the people that are getting killed? If it's a major thing yes, but every single person, no....The news also makes the killers infamous and that is what most common teens want now-a-days regardless of the terms of getting it.

Land of Vita · October 10, 2006, 02:54:33 AM

Quote from: Naphe on October 10, 2006, 02:46:57 AM
It seems only Tsunokiette and Reives hit close...

Anyway Reives it is the fault of the media, because do we really want to know all the people that are getting killed? If it's a major thing yes, but every single person, no....The news also makes the killers infamous and that is what most common teens want now-a-days regardless of the terms of getting it.

But, you can't blame the media, because you as a person can chose what you learn and don't learn.
If I don't want to learn math, then I don't learn math.
If I want to learn how to kill, then I learn how to kill.

Reives · October 10, 2006, 02:59:59 AM

Quote from: Land of Vita on October 10, 2006, 02:54:33 AM
But, you can't blame the media,

Heheh, that might be the first time I've heard that in a long time.

Quote from: Land of Vita on October 10, 2006, 02:54:33 AM
because you as a person can chose what you learn and don't learn.

Now, is that true...?

Land of Vita · October 10, 2006, 03:02:18 AM

Quote from: Reives on October 10, 2006, 02:59:59 AM

Now, is that true...?

Yes, look at racists, no matter how much you debate, they chose not to learn the lesson that "People are equal"

Reives · October 10, 2006, 03:08:17 AM

Quote from: Land of Vita on October 10, 2006, 03:02:18 AM
Quote from: Reives on October 10, 2006, 02:59:59 AM

Now, is that true...?

Yes, look at racists, no matter how much you debate, they chose not to learn the lesson that "People are equal"

What I'm saying is, do you think one has absolute control to his actions? Why did the racist become racist in the first place?

Could it perhaps be the exposure of the opinions about the subject that shaped their view?

Tsunokiette · October 10, 2006, 03:10:24 AM

Returning to the parent issue and connecting the two -

If you are a racist, it's most likely because your parents are racists, and that's how you grew up, if not it's probably because your friends think it's cool, and you end up being swallowed into the idea.

Arrow · October 10, 2006, 03:11:47 AM

This would lead us into a discussion about the developmental window, which is a whole other story all together.

Reives · October 10, 2006, 03:14:03 AM

Quote from: Tsunokiette on October 10, 2006, 03:10:24 AM
Returning to the parent issue and connecting the two -

If you are a racist, it's most likely because your parents are racists, and that's how you grew up, if not it's probably because your friends think it's cool, and you end up being swallowed into the idea.

Yeah. So although it is up to one to make the decisions, one does not actually make it without outer influences that shapes greatly (if not entirely) from their surroundings.