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ALL YOU COMPUTER SAVVY PEOPLE OF RMRK!!!...

Will you help me with getting a computer build? ;-; I just started my internship, and I'm getting paid, and I'm probably going to set aside $750 (give or take $250) to a new computer. So now, when you guys play new games, I can join!

So, will anyone suggest any computer builds with a listed price? ;-;

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121019

Do you plan on getting a quad or a dual core?

No point in getting dual core anymore, especially for that budget.

AMD Athlon II X4 635 Propus 2.9GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Model ADX635WFGIBOX

Foxconn A9DA-S AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

HIS H577FK1GD Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ...

SAMSUNG EcoGreen F2 HD154UI 1.5TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL9D-4GBPK

COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-500-PCAR-A3 500W ATX12V V2.3 Power Supply

You could switch the motherboard for something else, that one just looked good to me.

Don't worry about the "eco" hard drive, with 500GB platters even at 5400RPM you will get 80MB/s+. It will perform as good, perhaps better than, a SpinPoint F1 1TB.

Total cost: $587.94.

I'm assuming you don't need a keyboard and mouse etc or a monitor. You can re-use sata cables and other stuff like that too.

Thanks, Roph! That's actually very cheap compared to what I thought I'd need to spend. It shouldn't be long until I have this computer... :3 Maybe a month? Hell, if I'm lucky, I'll be able to get it by my first paycheck! With all the calculations done, I'll be able to by the computer, do my religious obligation, and set aside at least $100 for each of my family members to buy something... I'm really excited. :3

EDIT: I want a new case, too, so it might be more expensive than planned. :x Any idea what kind of case is good and will be able to support what you've given, Roph? P: And what's a SATA cable, and what should I look for if I want to get a different motherboard?

And I also want to do this completely from scratch. What else would I require? A CD drive? What's a good 'un? P: I don't mean to, like, make you do all the work or anything, but I'm just really not sure and want to make sure it's not messed up when I buy something. ;-;

AMD Athlon II X4 635 Propus 2.9GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Model ADX635WFGIBOX

Foxconn A9DA-S AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

HIS H577FK1GD Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ...

SAMSUNG EcoGreen F2 HD154UI 1.5TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model AD3U1333B2G9-DRH (Replaced memory, old one isn't available anymore)

COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-500-PCAR-A3 500W ATX12V V2.3 Power Supply

Additional:

COOLER MASTER Elite 330 RC-330-KKN1-GP Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (I have this same case, it's great)

LG DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model GH24NS50 - OEM (Any old DVD drive)

Subtotal:     $649.91

Monitor, if you need one: Acer X213HBbd Black 21.5" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor

Subtotal: $809.90

Thanks, Roph. But, btw, the COOLER MASTER power supply seems to be V2.3? Like 2.3 voltage? While the quad-core processor is 0.85-1.25V? Or is that protected by the power supply's "Over Voltage Protection?"

And, hopefully, Roph, if this American Express gift card thing works, I'll be able to donate. ;-;

the cpu isn't the only thing in your computer that needs power.

Oh yeah, LOL

That means ATX Version 2.3. It has nothing to do with voltage. Power supplies always supply 3 static voltages, it's just the wattage and current they're able to handle that differs.

Ohhh I seee... Also, if I wanted to switch anything for a better part, what would you say could be changed?

EDIT: Also, how do you overclock? P: I was looking through the CPU's reviews, and, apparently, someone said:

Overclocks like crazy- I run it at 3.75ghz, but it is stable even at 3.8ghz, temperature around 40C idle on stock cooling

So, even if I'm not overclocking to 3.8 or whatever, I could still boost the performance. P:

EDIT: And what's a core unlocker?
And how does this look for a mobo? Though I'm confused to what "DDR3 1600(O.C)/1333" means. I assume O.C. is overclock'd, but idk if it's mandatory when you overclock or not.

Oh yeah, bump. I had a few questions, Mr. Silverroph Dolphin, in the post above.

I was also thinking of this graphics card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858

And then I looked at the specifications and it's basically the same as the one Roph showed. >_>

Also, do I need anti-static stuff or is that just a mega safety pre-caution? P:

OKAY I HAVE FINALLY ORDERED IT AND IT IS ON ITS WAY NOW, I GUESS. Basically everything in Roph's last post with the computer build minus the monitor. Just making sure: there are metal parts on the computer case that aren't painted on, right? P: I lack anti-static materials so I'mma be working on the hardwood floor and yeah.

EDIT: Is the 1/0 switch on the power supply the "rocker switch?" P:

YEAHHHHHHHHHHH IT CAME ALREADY THAT'S SO FAST; How does I put its together? P:

OKAY, I MAN'D UP AND ASSEMBLED THE WHOLE THING ON MY OWN. It works fine, and I'm currently putting on Windows XP (I don't have Windows 7 yet so I might as well get something on there).

Where do I find drivers for everything, though? ;-; I have some stuff from the packages, though.

EDIT: Hey, what gives? I bought a 1.5TB HDD and it registers as 127GB...?

Why do you make these posts? You're studying programming etc aren't you? So why can't you be resourceful enough to at least try this first?

I've never had that problem, so what I would be doing is exactly what you should already be doing, googling it.

Yeah, I actually just posted mostly as a reflex. P: What I actually tend to do is post, look things up, and accept answers in that order, lol. I mean, you guys know more than me so I'd hope that an answer that you guys give would be one you guys know work rather than one I randomly found (that could still work).

But yeah, thanks.

Okay, bump because I have a new problem: I can't connect to the internet on my new computer.

I have everything set up exactly like I did with my old computer. In fact, I just took the cable from the back out and put it into my new computer. The cable doesn't light up which makes me wonder if it's actually working, but it probably is considering everything else that connects to the back-side works.

There was already a network adapter that was on when I looked, but it doesn't seem to do anything. When trying to repair, it gives some kind of a TCP/IP error ._.

Install network drivers that came with your motherboard?

Oh, yeah, I found out that was the answer. >_> Wonder why it wasn't working before... Anyways, new question; I'm reusing this thread a lot. P:

What's a safe temperature for overclocking my CPU? I heard somewhere that 68C is decent when you use something like IntelBurnTest or whatnot to test full loads, but I've seen all sorts of numbers lying around on the internet so I don't really know for sure and was hoping someone could confirm or deny this belief that 68C is good enough.

EDIT: http://products.amd.com/en-gb/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=625
Says 71C, but is that, like, the "if you pass this, you're in danger!" or "just don't even try to get here?"

and how accurate is SpeedFan? P:

You don't know what you're doing, so don't overclock. You don't even need to.

You don't know what you're doing, so don't overclock. You don't even need to.

This.

Besides, faster clock cycles =/= actual performance increase in some cases (this is dependent on the type of RAM you're using and how much of it there is.

You don't know what you're doing, so don't overclock. You don't even need to.

All I do is make the pretty numbers go up! I mean, I did overclock to 3.2, and things still seem stable. o_O The only reason I know that is because all the temperatures still look the same.

OKAY, NEW QUESTION, LOL. I went ahead and un-overclocked my CPU per advice of Roph.

But I was wondering: Is Windows 7 really that great? I mean, I'm comfortable with Windows XP and all, and I already have a lot of stuff downloaded on this Windows XP computer so... yeah. P:

I have had more problems with 7 then I had with XP. Like Firefox crashing all the time. Or Task Manager not starting. Or seeing the blue screen of death twice. (I have only seen it with 7) However, it is faster then XP and cleaned up 70-90% of the problems with Vista.
Honestly, I know 7 will get better, so I would upgrade to 7 at some point...or wait for the next version

I have never had any problem with Windows 7, everything i use with my computer automatically gets installed, it's faster and it is just good.

though people will still like what they are comfortable with

After saying XP or Die for about 7 years, I have no problems with 7. You are the most indecisive and unself reliant asian ever.

Windows 7 is the best thing Microsoft has ever done. I have never had any sort of issue with it.

Win7 is faster than XP, smarter, better designed, and I've never had to go searching for a driver, ever. Drivers are downloaded and installed automatically after detected the device.

You are the most indecisive and unself reliant asian ever.

LOL

After saying XP or Die for about 7 years, I have no problems with 7. You are the most indecisive and unself reliant asian ever.

You know, or I'm just someone who looks for an educated answer for taking any course of action instead of being "LOL HURRR WINDOWS 7 PRETTY AND IT'S NEWER SO I GO UPGRADE TO IT." That's what people who play Brawl do. And sure, that could be considered as not being self-reliant, but, technically, if you go online and search for any kind of answer, that would be not "self-reliant" because the judgment is not made completely of your own accord. >_>

I actually like it. I had trouble connecting to my router out of nowhere one day. I told Windows 7 to find out why, and just fix it.

And it did!

No long instructions, no error reports. It just did it for me, and then my internet worked again!

THANK YOU, Windows. Thank you for FINALLY simplifying yourself. It's also the reason why I liked the MAC OS's as soon as I used them. That's how they function, too. Is there a problem? Oh, let me fix that FOR YOU. Granted, you can still go in and tweak things yourself if you really want to, but the OS can fix itself, if the problem is simple enough.

Brilliant.

If you had switched to 7 as soon as you built your computer. you more than likely would not of had any of the problems you had had.

If you had switched to 7 as soon as you built your computer. you more than likely would not of had any of the problems you had had.

^This

Moo, when building a PC, always do one thing: Research. See what will suit you best and weigh the pros of cons of those things out by yourself. As a programmer you will have to make these decisions and work out what would be best in certain situations.

Take some initiative.

Or, you know, I didn't have Windows 7 on me at the moment because my dad's going to order it tomorrow and I'd rather have a computer to work with than something that just turns on the BIOS. >_> I mean, the reason I'm asking is because I have Windows XP due to that cirumstance, and I have a bunch of stuff on there already; I was just wondering if the benefits of Windows 7 would outweigh the trouble I would have to go through to get everything again. I mean, it's not that hard, but I'm a kinda lazy guy, lol.

And idk why everyone brings up me trying to be a programmer. >: I'm seriously horrible; I'll always have a pretty decent method of going about doing things straightaway, but, if I hit a roadblock, I stumble and get raped.

And all my research (prior to asking you guys) basically just told me that Windows 7 will be supported for a longer time, it's a bit faster, it's prettier, and it's a lot like Windows Vista with all the bad crap fixed up.

As I've said, I ask a lot of questions on RMRK not because I'm waiting for you guys to spoonfeed me answers but to verify the answers that I've found with what you guys say. I can trust you guys quite a lot on a lot of subjects, and a response from someone who gives me real-time feedback and has experience in the matter feels better to me than some stuff people post online which could possibly be wrong (which deals with the "trust" thing again).

And, if people don't have an answer on RMRK, then they don't have an answer. I don't really expect anyone to go out and google anything and research for me, but if they have answer off the top of their head, I'd rather have one good spot (RMRK in this case) to get an answer than compile an amalgam of information from whatever I hope is correct.

/rant kinda

Oh yeah, and thanks for your help, everyones. I think arl sold me on his description of Windows 7 because it just sounds like magic. P:

I'm sorry if I sounded like I was just trolling/flaming, my intentions were pure. :X

Ditto, though i understand how bad you want to test a new computer once you have built it instead of waiting.

I'm sorry if I sounded like I was just trolling/flaming, my intentions were pure. :X

I know; I'm sorry if I sounded like I hate you. :x Because... I love you Tezuka.. LOL Anyways, topic solved for now, I guess. Windows 7 it is, when it comes. I can just back up the savedatas for my games along with a few important stuff and I should be fine. The only worry now is playing games... I want to play Borderlands with people, though ;-; like LAN style, I think, since I don't have the legit version (though it's still version 1.30 with three of the DLC, I think)

I don't think hamachi works with borderlands, there was some german program that i used, that i can not remember the name of right now.

It had a good browser though for seeing other people's games, the version of borderlands i had at the time would show about 50 games online =o

God bless you pirates :3

The Good
I like the wallpaper and theme selector. It reminds me greatly of OS X in the sense that wallpapers and themes are organized in categories, selecting the wallpaper shows it on your desktop, and there's a "change picture every __ minutes" thing at the bottom. Yeah, it's a blatant ripoff and it's still not as good, but better than what they had before. B|

It's faster than Vista. (though that's not saying much)

Compared to XP, you're getting a much better interface.


The Bad
I've had some applications randomly crash without me knowing, namely my x-mouse button control application. I used it on Vista and XP too, but had no issues. I've also had some general stability issues with some applications that I didn't have on XP. They freeze up from time to time.

Firefox changes to the aero basic style for no reason while no other windows are affected.


THOUGH YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY ALREADY CHOSEN WINDOWS 7 SO THIS POST IS STUPID

No, Irock; I appreciate your input. And gah, that's stupid for Hamachi + Borderlands.

"...Windows 7 will be supported for a longer time, it's a bit faster, it's prettier, and it's a lot like Windows Vista with all the bad crap fixed up."

I think you answered your own question.

I don't think hamachi works with borderlands, there was some german program that i used, that i can not remember the name of right now.

It had a good browser though for seeing other people's games, the version of borderlands i had at the time would show about 50 games online =o

Cthulhu bless you pirates :3

That program is on the tip of my tongue... IIRC it was a really good program. I'm gonna be thinking about it all day, if I remember the name I'll post here.

Moo: You should take a picture of your PC, I wanna see it

I remembered :3

Tunngle -  http://www.tunngle.net/

That program is on the tip of my tongue... IIRC it was a really good program. I'm gonna be thinking about it all day, if I remember the name I'll post here.

Moo: You should take a picture of your PC, I wanna see it

F*** JUST CUT OFF THE TIP OF YOUR TONGUE AND PUT IT INTO YOUR USB PORT And I'll post a picture if I get the chance. P:

And who wants to play Borderlands with me, someone below level 7? :3 THANKS LINK

Gameranger > tunngle.

I'll try borderlands with you.

I think I'm level 47, though. I haven't played in a long while, so I'm okay with making a new character. I can also power level rather easily, so making a level 7 will be no prob.

Whoo! Okay! I'm going to get GameRanger, and I think I might be level 8 or 10 now, but yeah. :3 Playing with someone else oughta be more fun. What's your e-mail for GameRanger (when/if you get it )

EDIT: I was just looking through GameRanger's lists, and there's someone named Molson, lol.

Cool.

antlazzarino@gmail.com is my e-mail. See you on soon.

Whooo! I think I might make a thread in the Entertainment boards to rally up some other people to play. We could all start from scratch! And then we can all have funn.

I was kinda bummed out that my computer couldn't handle Crysis on even the LOWEST settings. Everything off, graphics on lowest, lowest resolution. Not that I really wanted to play Crysis or anything, but I was kinda sad that my computer couldn't handle it.

If you did get the parts roph posted your doing something wrong.

My 8800GT can handle crysis Low/Medium settings, a 5770 should manage it high/max

If you did get the parts roph posted your doing something wrong.

That's what I thought. I got every part that Roph posted except for optional stuff like a monitor, mouse, and keyboard since I already had those.

EDIT: Speaking of which, Borderlands can only run at about medium graphics. :\

Wait, bump and what the SHIT. See attached photo. Why would this happen. Note the name of the graphics card.

EDIT: I think my graphics card isn't being detected.

EDIT: Problem solved! Roph is cool.

Can you play Crysis now at max settings? B|

Well, I don't have Crysis now, lol. I guess I'll download it overnight or sth

Oh, bump, Roph. ;-; If I wanted to get a better CPU fan, what would you recommend? It's not like I'm trying to overclock or anything (because you said it's not that important), but I use my computer at the top level of my townhouse, and it's freakin' summer, and it gets HOT, and I don't want to always leave my AC on, so I think just having a better CPU fan to cool my CPU would be better, no?

Use speedfan and check the temperatures. CPUs are designed to be used in all manner of normal conditions. "hot" america (try moving to romania or egypt and then complain about heat) is no exception.

Oh wow it's at lower 40's at idle. o-o It usually hangs around the 50s. hm LOL