[Music] Chord Progressions

[Kokowam]

I don't really get how 12 tone sounds good Or is it more of a musical marvel ?_?

[Moss.]

I think most of it sounds like crap, but since I've taken an entire semester in music school about modern music, I can't help but know how to appreciate it.

[Kokowam]

Teach me how to appreciate. XD I'm curious.

[Moss.]

I'd have to teach you about set theory, and retrograde inversions, and hexachordal combinatoriality, and then go into serialism with Karlheinz Stockhausen and Milton Babbit, and

bah


No.

[Nightwolf]

Teach you to appreciate...


Well, listen to some crappy song and then say "Oh, this is good"

[Moss.]

Most people think 12 tone is just a bunch of random notes.

It's not. It's actually the most organized and NOT random music, well, ever.

If you haven't been taught set theory, you wouldn't know that.

And hence, you wouldn't appreciate 12 tone.

[Kokowam]

I remember something, like, 12 tone played backwards works out well, too.

[Tsunokiette]

Think flight of the Bumblebee

[Moss.]

Most 12 tone pieces use only 1 row. That is, a 12 tone row. These are sometimes chosen at random, and sometime's they are not.
They're called 12 tone rows because they use all 12 pitches. In a certain order.

You must use these notes in that order throughout the entire piece. Sort of.

You can also go backwards, from the end to the beginning, which is called a retrograded row.
And you can transpose.
You can use chords, if the notes in the chords are the next however many pitches that are in your row.
You can also invert the row. Say the first not is C and the 2nd is G. The inverted row would start on C and go to A instead. The same interval, opposite direction. Repeat for 2nd and 3rd, then 3rd and 4th, and so on.
Inverted rows can also be retrograded, making retrograde inversion rows.

So there's 4 kinds of rows that are derived from the original, the original, the reversed (retrograde), the inverted, and the retrograded inverted.
And all 4 of these can be transposed, so that's 4 x 12 = 48 rows you can use, just from the one you chose in the first place.

You can play more than one row at once, obviously, and you can switch hands or instruments, depending on what you're writing for.

[Malson]

yeah I have a lot of trouble writing in 12 tone but i'd like to be able to. as for chord progressions I'm a fan of taking well-known ones and altering them or making them sound interesting. I'm starting to stray from that though, and picking up piano again is making that a lot easier for me, haha.

[Malson]

all the best chord progressions were already made.  So look them up and keep using them to make the GREATEST MELODY EVA!

my fav,,other than the unchained is the F,,G,,Em,,Am progression.

I played this on guitar and lol'd

[Malson]

triple post for example of what I mean by altering common progressions~

[Moss.]

vi -> *7/vi -> IV -> iv

or in minor mode:
i -> vii* -> VI -> vi



I still think that's a pretty common progression, but, whatever.

Yeah, just look at the tab I made about that stuff, that I linked to in this thread ... and use it, lol.


edit: WAIT. I see what you're saying. Sorry, I'm tired.
Yeah, commonly that progression would just be, like, vi -> V -> IV -> IV, but you spiced it up etc...etc... time for bed...

[Malson]

yeah i'm not good at writing too far from what sounds "catchy." I mean, I could if I really wanted to, but it makes me feel uncomfortable.