What's the Worst Program You've Ever Used?

[Nightwolf]

IE sucks. Oh, and I can't stand the version of Finale I downloaded... I mean bought. *whistles* I'm saving up for the 2007 version of  Finale, which hopefully works better. It mutes itself. I don't know how, or why, but playback just stops working after like 5 minutes of working on a song. You have to  close the whole program, then start it again.

That happened to me too, when i first tried it out =\
Then i stopped

[Kokowam]

All RPG Makers.

While all of them have had great potential, THERE is always that feeling something or something(s) vital is missing.

I mean you can see the potential, but if it was so great why isn't it being fully utilised, there is plenty of people to do it..... it's been around long enough..... but I don't see much success?

What's missing? I see nothing missing right now. Secondly, I doubt that RPG Maker was the worst program you ever used unless you sucked crap and didn't get far.

[Chesso]

Well then let me put it simply for you lol.

I have gotten further using Object Pascal (Delphi) and DirectX/Win32 API, how does that sit for you? .

In terms of what I feel is missing, making a game in general, what's easily available sense obviously not as easy.

[Kokowam]

Wtf is that last sentence? Also, if you suck at it, then that's your problem, not the makers of the Maker.

[Chesso]

Your clearly not seeing the point at all.

While I can *begin* and *finish* a simple game in RPG Maker much faster and easier, there are *very simple* things I can do in a programming language and utilising the Win32 API/DirectX API that to me are so basic, and yet in RPG Maker it would seem there is not.

At least not yet that I have discovered.

[Kokowam]

Well, that's like saying using Win32, a penny saved is a penny earned but when you look in the big scheme of things, a penny isn't much compared to a dollar bill, let alone a couple 10s to 100s.

[Chesso]

Well I don't have anything majorily against RPG Maker(s).

I just feel that there are things that should have been in it, that clearly haven't through it's entire history (same as I feel bugs in Win95 shouldn't be present in WinXP......).

I have probably had worse I just can't think of any other software that makes me feel like it wasn't polished for it's purpose, at the moment.


EDIT: I have 1 rep? Didn't even know lol.

[Kokowam]

Well, nothing can be perfect. If you expect something to be completely flawless, I'd say it'd have to be God and nothing else. There are bugs and there will always be bugs. Just some things have less than others.

[Chesso]

Well being a programmer, I know that pretty well LOL.

But for it being a commercial piece of software, sold to the public to gain revenue, I would expect more from it.

I have seen free initiaves like this program that don't have these floors, however they are considerably more buggy (probably due to inexperience of the programmer(s)), but their also not trying to make money so.... lol.

I would actually put Game Maker as perhaps the worst for now, though it isn't modeled for a specific type of game there are some very basic things it either does very badly or not at all, not sure if the newer version resolves some of these issues.

I'm just factoring in how long these programs have been around, and the major lack of updates over time, there's just so much more, even minor things that I can do (and I'm by no means a professional making money off of my software, just a hobbiest), that could have been done.

I'm hoping in the future they gear up on this (maybe we should email them or something, give some suggestions, seen as they are doing an english release now).

[Nightwolf]

Moo, everyone has their opinions. Chesso hates Rm for some unknown reason, maybe he sucks, maybe he doesn't like how the games look (you know, top view etc). It doesn't matter what they think.
WE Know rm is good, so it's good.

[Chesso]

Nothing like that, I actually really like the SNES kind of look (sure there is better SNES RPG's, but I would kill to see a good one on the PC).

I'm simply talking from the perspective of programming (as I am a programmer, pretty sure I stated that more than enough), from that perspective with at least some experience in *programming* games, I feel I have at least a *little* room to talk .

[Nightwolf]

OHHHHHHHHH, now i get it.
Do you think RM is less of programming doing and more of just...bling bloo?

[Chesso]

Eh, sorry either I'm not coming across right or you aren't too bright matey.

RMXP was made by programmer(s), ones I would assume have some sort of game *programming* experience.

I am a programmer, who also has some  sort of game *programming * experience.

So from that derived experience, I feel I have *some room to talk* on the subject as they say.

You certainly wouldn't trust the words of advice about a serious medical procedure from someone who doesn't even understand what the medical problem is..... now would you? lol.

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Eh, sorry either I'm not coming across right or you aren't too bright matey.

RMXP was made by programmer(s), ones I would assume have some sort of game *programming* experience.

I am a programmer, who also has some  sort of game *programming * experience.

So from that derived experience, I feel I have *some room to talk* on the subject as they say.

You certainly wouldn't trust the words of advice about a serious medical procedure from someone who doesn't even understand what the medical problem is..... now would you? lol.

"some room to talk"? 

Nobody makes good games with rpg maker, because they all suck at it. It's like blaming paint when you draw a crappy picture "PAINT MADE ME DO IT".

[Kokowam]

RPG Maker has some damn good games. Dark Eternal~

[lost]

Dreamweaver. While it's still the best, for the past 3 versions it has had useless upgrade after useless upgrade. In fact the upgrades essensially make things more tedious! Or the latest version of Flash... instead of simply typing This = new Array(); you must type var Array:Number This = new Array(); Which one was simpler?

What about Java? An outdated language that colleges still teach. To make a simple line of text you need 10 strings of text. Plus there are 3 variations of the print command, that all do the same thing, but you need to learn when to use them.

[tSwitch]

@flash CS3, you can still use AS 2.0 you know rite?

@java, print, println and whatever else are different in function
print doesn't start a new line afterwards, so everything is on one line
println creates lines every time so you can make paragraphs

[Chesso]

NAM.....

That's why other languages do the whole character thing.....

E.g.

MessageBox(0, PChar('Hello' + #10+#13 + 'weeee'), 'Title', MB_OK);

Been awhile since I actually programmed anything, but #10/#13, chr(10) and chr(13) etc for line break usually works everywhere (text controls, buttons, text drawing functions, hints etc etc).

[zxm]

Any of those free programs that last 14 - 30 days then you buy them for 30$. I end up only using it once then deleting it.

[Nightwolf]

I get your point Chesso. It's okay that you don't like Xp but just dont put *these things* in the middle.

They are kunphuzing.

[Chesso]

I use it, I don't hate it lol, just not fond of somethings that are missing is all.

[SirJackRex]

Why does everyone seem to back into their crab shell and retake that they said they "hated" a program...

[ahref]

okies my last post disapeared but meh:(

anyway our school uses a company for all their computer gear. RM. their software completely sucks and fails because it doesn't communicate with windows or the hardware very well AND the hardware is just ugly and cheap. ive had to have had my user acount completely remade twice because rm cocks it up.

our school has just finished upgrading all the computer rooms so they have these:

http://www.cdihomeroom.com/rm_one/images/RMOne__HandsScreen_L.jpg

ewwers.

[lost]

@flash CS3, you can still use AS 2.0 you know rite?

@java, print, println and whatever else are different in function
print doesn't start a new line afterwards, so everything is on one line
println creates lines every time so you can make paragraphs

println starts a new line yes, but so does \n. Two commands for the same thing.

I can still use AS 2.0 However, errors come up that would not have come up in older versions of Flash. You can even go back and use AS 1.0. I also don't like the new GUI. It's similar to what Flash has had since MX, but more cumbersome.

[Chesso]

Ok my post dissapeared, and so did my 1 rep , lol.

Anyway as I said, I don't hate RMXP, I was replying on the basis of the topic name (which does not say anything about hating anything at all).

For example: I find Mario Party 8 to be the worst of the series thus far, I do not however hate it.

There we go .

Oh and the above poster is right about CS3, it can be an extreme pain to migrate too, even if you try and use AS2.