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P.S.:

Just tell a girl "I love you" That dosnt work. I'm sorry but women only want what they can't have. Throwing yourself at her and telling her you love her is gonna make her want you less.

You dont have to believe my methods I'm not here to force my views upon you, only to offer help to anyone who needs it. and yes some of the pua stuff is very common, some isn't. Lots of guys are out there who go to clubs and think that if they buy a hote babe a drink she will like them. Pua is meant to teach you not to make mistakes like these. Its meant to make you act like a natural.

Everyone has at least one friend that's always got a hot gf. Even when he has a gf he has a million girls flirting with him. now you may say to yourself " The reason he has girls all over him all the time is simply because he looks better than me." NOT TRUE! Despite what women tell you they don't go by looks. If you could mimic your friends behavior perfectly, talk slow like him, say the stuff he says, mimic his body language, and a 1000 other things then the girls would be on you too.

But its not so simple. You can watch a guy carve a million ice culptures, but chances are your not gonna be able to carve an ice sculpture just from watching. You need him to teach you how and you gotta pratice. getting hot girls is the same.

Yes every guy can get a gf and even a hot one. but not every guy can have women all over him, get discounts from waitresses, and cause a three car collision because he couldnt keep a girl off of him on the interstate.

If you have doubts why not look at the webpage i posted for the video, read the webpage.

Stylife Round 2 is coming up soon and I think it would be in everyones best decision to join. i dropped out of the first one so itll be like my 2nd chance.
Its a one month challenge with daily tasks starting with wimple stuff like asking girls for movie recommendations all the way up to big stuff like throwing your own Stylife party.
Its ran by neil strauss (Style) probally the biggest leader in PUA. You all should give it a shot. I'm not sure when its gonna be for sure, like march or april i think.


But hey you dont have to take my word on this, and you can flame me and laugh at me, but you know that bullshit like "be yourself" isnt working. if it was then how come you dont have hot, smart, fun girls all over you day after day?

Because being yourself isn't good enough! you may have trouble believing this because its been taught to you since day one, so ill repeat it.


Because being yourself isn't good enough!


Because being yourself isn't good enough!


Because being yourself isn't good enough!


Because being yourself isn't good enough!


BE YOUR BETTER SELF!

Improve yourself!

Why would i try and convince you if it dosnt work. i'm 17 i dont work for some big pua company. im not getting paid for this. its because i wanna help as many ppl as i can.

If your already great with women then theres no need, but if your not getting the success you want, if your friends are not envious of you, if girls dont day dream about you then what have you got to loose?

Here are a few websites to help you out, if you need any books like VAH ill send em to you, just pm me.

VAH is prob the best book you can get right now, until then new one comes out.

www.doubleyourdating.com - david D's book on innergame. pm me and ill send you a pirated one.

www.Stylelife.com - ran buy the currently biggest pua, HUGE forum, so lots of ppl offering advice. join the mailing list, style sends personal messages every few weeks and you will be the first to know about stylelife 2

www.venusianarts.com - promoting mysterys new book- m me for a copy of his old one VAH

Omg you is so samrt when it come to girlses, I know nuthing, but I wus alost teh married, teach me oh great one.

Something tells me this thread will be a fantastic read someday in the near future when I'm bored and want to see some guy torn apart on the internet.

Oh snap, I want to see a picture of this dudes girlfriend. (If he has one)

I could teach this guy a thing or two. Oh wait, picking up chicks for fun is shallow, mean, unproductive, and most of all just leaves you feel empty. It's really not a good thing to do. ~_~

Hate  me for what i do? go ahead and tell me about it.

ok yeah, i will tell you. not to be a bitch, but to just say my opinion about it.

you know what. ive decided not to. but probably a guy like you wouldnt listen anyways,

I strongly support the idea of you telling him off.

Yeah, if Yami can do it, you can too. And she's like the nicest member who's ever been here. 

What? Are you fucking mentally retarded?! Is this meant to be some sort of joke? Do you really think that what your saying is coming off in a good fashion?

You just look like some little punk school kid who has to jack off 5 times a day due to a fantasy life in your head...
Do you really think trying to make yourself like a 70's porn star is going to get you any respect? Any were!?

As to correcting peoples spelling and calling NW a retard, WATCH YOUR FUCKING MOUTH AND LEARN TO SPELL YOURSELF.

This is one of the lamest attempts to come off as kool I've seen in this site. RESPECT: 0.
And yeh, I'm fucking offended.

Feel free to delete this Mods....

Saucy, you skull fucked the dude. No shitting, you gouged his eyes out then made sweet sweet love to one of his eye sockets, then made his brains like scrambled eggs.... Okay maybe that was a bit graphic.

Also, I think Christina should speak her mind. I don't think I've ever seen her angry. Christina, feel free to tell him off, I for one think it would be a very memorable moment.

http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=1&mn=98809974598809

testimonial from pua who used the door pattern (my sig)

here is the original pattern, not even a full page so have a look, maybe skim through some other ones.

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/03_approaching/11_the_patterns/p_door.shtml

I'm not even going to try and argue that my views are right against some of you who criticize me.

Like I said I'm here only to help you all, and I welcome criticism. As for proof that it works, i already have it. If you seen what a normal day in HS for me was like back when i was a sophomore, and then compared it to when i was a jr. after learning pua there would not be a doubt in your mind.



*Does this course require I be mean/cruel/a jerk to women? I sure don't
want to do that! *

Absolutely, 100% NO! It's true, most men when they "date" have to choose
between being a "bully"...a "jerk" who never gives in or a
"supplicant"...a beggar who does ANYTHING a woman wants. My course gives
you the option to be a truly gentle-MAN; someone who NEVER bullies or
BEGS, but instead structures wonderful opportunities, offers her
challenges, and captivates and stimulates her deepest levels of
imagination. that's not being cruel; that's being awesome. And you
deserve to be know how good it feels for you and her to do this.


*Speed Seducers are just using women.*

Speed Seduction makes no determination as to the specific goals of a
given relationship that an individual may choose to have.    It may be
sexual, it may not.  It may be long term or short term. It might be
mutually fulfilling or one sided.   These are decisions made by the
individual, and not determined by the material. 


*Speed Seduction leaves women feeling hurt.*

Speed Seducers have worked extensively to come up with methods that have
exactly the opposite effect.  Major Mark created a pattern that actually
allows a woman to continue to experience the positive aspect of the
relationship, even after you're no longer together.


*The feelings crated with Speed Seduction aren't genuine they are just
memories.*

Speed Seduction does both.  It calls on emotions a woman has already felt
to recreate the emotional state and it uses a variety of methods to
create new emotional states.  You are not just limited to things she's
previously felt.  You're only limit is the depth of her imagination and
the degree of her desire.


and to end this post

*Does ordering this course make me a "loser?" What are your typical
students like? *

My students range from 18 to gentlemen in their 70's! Many are highly
successful and busy professionals, including surgeons, chiropractors,
lawyers, engineers, etc. Some are what the press would typically expect,
needing some serious guidance when it comes to attracting women, but by
far the majority are men who have done quite well in life, are very busy,
and don't have time for the hit and miss dating nonsense that just
doesn't work very well for ANY man.

In my way of viewing things, the only "losers" in life are those who keep
doing the same old thing they've been doing, over and over, hoping to get
a different result! Winners recognize there is a better way and take
action...right NOW! Today!

Dude, what did you expect, most people aren't ready for you to tell them that they live in a matrix.

To give you an analogy, the pick-up arts are kind of like the Force.  You can use it for good or for evil.

Wanna know something?

Girls like sex.
Girls like sex.
Girls like sex.

And something else?

It's normal to want it and try to get it.
It's normal to want it and try to get it.
It's normal to want it and try to get it.

We are not taking away free will here.  We are showing girls an interesting personality, to which they become attracted to.  Girls LIKE guys who they are attracted to who knows how to push the interaction towards sex, because they can't do it themselves (or society labes them as sluts).

Of course, I can't expect you guys to understand.  Keep sitting in front of your computer and make games to your heart's content.  When you decide you'd like to be successful with hot girls, come crawling back.

but hey.
don't be telling people about PU who aren't ready for it
keep it for yourself, let the results speak for themselves.

So your rebuttal is... giving us carefully constructed (and essentially meaningless) answers to carefully constructed questions put together by a group of men who treat women like sexual objects, claim they don't, but obviously feel the need to prove they aren't doing this?

Agh... fine, I'm only doing this once more, and if you aren't going to bother telling us why anyone should listen to you, then I'm just going to pretend you don't exist.

First: the definition of seduction:
1 : to persuade to disobedience or disloyalty
2 : to lead astray usually by persuasion or false promises
3 : to carry out the physical seduction of : entice to sexual intercourse

As if that wasn't enough on its own:

http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=1&mn=98809974598809

testimonial from pua who used the door pattern (my sig)

Again, just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true. And testimonials don't mean anything except when you're on trial. If all those commercials on TV with testimonials from people for all those amazing new products and gadgets and those get rich quick schemes were true, then I would have a radio that worked, and there would be a whole lot more rich people in the world. The same applies here.

here is the original pattern, not even a full page so have a look, maybe skim through some other ones.

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/03_approaching/11_the_patterns/p_door.shtml

As Blizzard said before (maybe in a different topic), it sounds like a scene from a bad movie.

I'm not even going to try and argue that my views are right against some of you who criticize me.

Then you must think that what you're doing is wrong. Either that or you think it's no use because you won't change our minds. In that case, why are you still trying to persuade us?

Like I said I'm here only to help you all, and I welcome criticism. As for proof that it works, i already have it. If you seen what a normal day in HS for me was like back when i was a sophomore, and then compared it to when i was a jr. after learning pua there would not be a doubt in your mind.

Excellent proof! Let me just get my "Scenes from the past viewer" out of the desk here... oh wait, it only works on people I know in real life. Fiddlesticks!

Oh, so now we're into those carefully constructed questions and answers I was talking about. I don't feel much like replying to these, as I wouldn't really be replying to you... but, in the sport of pointing out stupidity, I'll give it a go:

*Does this course require I be mean/cruel/a jerk to women? I sure don't
want to do that! *

Well, essentially, yes it does. Not overtly, of course. It wouldn't make much sense then, now would it? But let's see what the great people at PUA have to say:

Absolutely, 100% NO! It's true, most men when they "date" have to choose
between being a "bully"...a "jerk" who never gives in or a
"supplicant"...a beggar who does ANYTHING a woman wants.

To be able to say most men have to do that means there must have been extensive studies, so... where's the proof? In my 21 years of life, the only men I've seen trying to get women by being a bully or a jerk have only been on television.

My course gives you the option to be a truly gentle-MAN; someone who NEVER bullies or
BEGS,

So now this is a course on etiquette and manners?

but instead structures wonderful opportunities, offers her
challenges, and captivates and stimulates her deepest levels of
imagination.

In short, manipulation.

that's not being cruel; that's being awesome.

In some ways, that's being a rapist too.

And you deserve to be know how good it feels for you and her to do this.

And you would know how she feels... how? Maybe at first, before she realizes you've manipulated her into having sex with you, she's happy, maybe even a false sense of love, but after you leave and she finds out you've used her... well, when does that part get mentioned?

*Speed Seducers are just using women.*

WELL DUH

Speed Seduction makes no determination as to the specific goals of a
given relationship that an individual may choose to have.

Hello, Naphe.

In other words, this just means "Yes, we're just using women, but we can't come out and say it."

It may be sexual, it may not.  It may be long term or short term. It might be
mutually fulfilling or one sided.   These are decisions made by the
individual, and not determined by the material.

o.....k..... Again, this means nothing. It's just a failsafe in case of unexpected results.

*Speed Seduction leaves women feeling hurt.*

Well, not unless they find out they're being used, of course. Otherwise, they're completely oblivious to you manipulating them.

Speed Seducers have worked extensively to come up with methods that have
exactly the opposite effect.

Manipulation, manipulation, manipulation. How many times must I say it?

  Major Mark created a pattern that actually
allows a woman to continue to experience the positive aspect of the
relationship, even after you're no longer together.

And this would have nothing to do with hormones, or anything scientific or psychological... or maybe, BRAINWASHING?

*The feelings crated with Speed Seduction aren't genuine they are just
memories.*

... WHAT!? I'm not understanding what's being said here. You mean the feeling the girl feels towards you aren't real, they're memories of past relationships? Hell, that's just stupid and doesn't make any sense.

Speed Seduction does both.

-.-

  It calls on emotions a woman has already felt
to recreate the emotional state and it uses a variety of methods to
create new emotional states.  You are not just limited to things she's
previously felt.  You're only limit is the depth of her imagination and
the degree of her desire.

Seriously, the manipulation here is getting old. Any new "techniques"?

*Does ordering this course make me a "loser?" What are your typical
students like? *

Of course it makes you a loser! And our typical students are your everyday scumbag, who can't get girls without a bag full of tricks. They're shallow, egotistical, manipulative, mean, and will most likely have herpes before they're 23. Not to mention, they'd probably become rapists if it were legal.

My students range from 18 to gentlemen in their 70's!

lol... wait, you said you're only 17. o_O

Many are highly
successful and busy professionals, including surgeons, chiropractors,
lawyers, engineers, etc.

And what difference does this make? If it's just some way to validate this, then it's a lame way of doing so. "Well, gee, if there are so many successful men doing this, it must work!"

Some are what the press would typically expect,
needing some serious guidance when it comes to attracting women, but by
far the majority are men who have done quite well in life, are very busy,
and don't have time for the hit and miss dating nonsense that just
doesn't work very well for ANY man.

And how can that even be said? It doesn't work very well for ANY man? LOL, ok. I think this one speaks for itself.

In my way of viewing things, the only "losers" in life are those who keep
doing the same old thing they've been doing, over and over, hoping to get
a different result!

Actually, that would be the definition of insane, not loser.

Winners recognize there is a better way and take
action...right NOW! Today!

This reminds me of some bad commercial on the radio or TV.

Oh... nothing else to respond too... I was enjoying it this time. You've proven to be to be nothing more than a manipulator, if anything you've claimed is even true

And during my reply, I see we have another one here... oh boy.

Dude, what did you expect, most people aren't ready for you to tell them that they live in a matrix.

Dude, you're so right, I'm like totally in the matrix right now.

To give you an analogy, the pick-up arts are kind of like the Force.  You can use it for good or for evil.

Ok... and what's so good about it?

Wanna know something?

Girls like sex.
Girls like sex.
Girls like sex.

NO WAY! I think someone's been listening outside of the women's restroom. Naughty naughty. Of course they like sex (except for the ones who have had traumatizing experiences, or the ones who have no sexual drive, or the ones with an inverted uterus/vagina). It's something completely natural, no one here is saying they don't. Geez, are you in eighth grade or something and just no figured this out? The problem here is tricking them into wanting to have sex with you.

And something else?

It's normal to want it and try to get it.
It's normal to want it and try to get it.
It's normal to want it and try to get it.

You're half right: It's normal to want it, but not necessarily to try and get it. The way you two are proposing would be considered morally wrong by many people.

We are not taking away free will here.

No one said you were.

We are showing girls an interesting personality, to which they become attracted to.

Ah, but it apparently isn't YOUR personality. You are producing false emotions.

  Girls LIKE guys who they are attracted to who knows how to push the interaction towards sex, because they can't do it themselves (or society labes them as sluts).

Girls like guys who they are attracted to... ok. I know what you mean, but that's worded very poorly.

But, I'd have to disagree here, once again. (Surprised?) Yes, girls that openly want sex can sometimes be labelled as sluts, but how many times is a girl going to convince a guy to have sex with her in front of a group of people? Girls can and DO push towards having sex.

Of course, I can't expect you guys to understand.  Keep sitting in front of your computer and make games to your heart's content.  When you decide you'd like to be successful with hot girls, come crawling back.

Yes, you're right, how could I possibly understand? After all, I'm only engaged and have always been successful with girls. I guess that makes us similar, except the difference would be that I'm not lying, I didn't date girls just to get in their pants, I didn't manipulate them, and they liked me for MY personality, not some false one I had to put on to get them to go out with me.

what it all boils down to

pick-up is a skill set.
you can bring happiness into your life and the lives of girls.
or you can be a ruthless predator just in it for the kills.
it's up to the person doing it.

you can learn to fire a gun.
does that make you a bad person?
sure, if you use it to rob banks and kill people.
or you could be a cop, guard, or soldier, fighting FOR people.

and when you 'act' a certain way long enough, you become it.

and actually, it is perfectly normal to go after sex.  the 'moral' problems you speak of are those programmed into your brain by the matrix called Society.  what's wrong with a pleasurable activity that our brains are programmed to want because it leads to reproduction and continuation of the race?  why do we call sex talk, sex movies, "dirty talk" and "dirty movies"?  because society is one big lie designed to keep the average guy down.  but if you're not ready to be unplugged from the matrix, no one's forcing you.  we're simply showing you the red pill.

and not all guys are so fortunate as you
i, and many people who got into the community, were losers.  this shit is giving us a new lease on life.  the PU community does not JUST teach a bag of tricks to get in a girl's pants.  it teaches a lot of inner game, identity and confidence, purpose and meaning of life.  i guess my friend here thought some of the guys on here could use some help.  i'm not saying you guys are wrong for responding the way you are, it's pretty expected.  just thought i'd give you some more insight beyond the "LETS GO HUNT GRLZZZ"

i, and many people who got into the community, were losers.  this shit is giving us a new lease on life. 

Ohhhh..! I get it now! It's a cult.

The only thing I've seen posted up so far is this: "How to lie to women and trick them into having sex with you" , perhaps that should be the new topic title...?

like i said

you can lie
that's up to you

if you got picked up by a good hearted PUA who knew what he was doing, you would enjoy the process.  perception is reality, dear.

there are also different schools of pickup
some are more geared towards pre-memorized lines
and some are more geared towards just being a natural, fun guy

life isn't easy for a decent or even good looking guy who's shy and socially awkward.

Actually, folks, this shit does work.  I've met Phoenix through the Style Life forums.  While I don't know the guy personally, I can tell he has his stuff down.  He's sent me pics of girls he's picked up at parties and whatnot, and they're all good.

The guy Mystery he kept talking about, has broken attraction down in to a science.  You could take one look at someone and not see anything that "does it" for you.  But if you know how to CREATE attraction, such as myself and Phoenix, then the ball is in your court.  Granted I am a damn good looking man, but having been shunned in south Georgia for the last three years by redneck women who are as closed-minded as the men down there, I decided to look in to seeing what I could do to turn the odds in my favor.  And from first hand experience, I saw how I went from being shunned by these average looking women, to having strippers pay me for my phone number... it's a huge confidence and ego boost.

Now, you're probably thinking that strippers all sluts and fuck anything that moves.  Right?  A good portion of them are, but when you're getting free lap dances and pulling down $20 for them to get your phone number, it's a different story.  Picking up a stripper isn't as easy as it sounds.  Throw money at them all you want.  But you have to make a connection somewhere for that to really happen.  Easier said than done, though.

Now, in the earlier posts here, there was talk of a "banned sequence."  It's called The October Man sequence.  I have researched it.  It doesn't scare a woman in to staying with the Pickup Artist.  What it does is completely reprogram their sexual identity.  You anchor feelings of pleasure and joy to yourself and feelings of pain and anguish to when you're not around.  It is completely diabolical and, as far as I know, only a handful of people actually know what this actually is.  A book was released not too long ago explaining it, and supposedly even telling you how to do it, but it was like $100 or some shit so I didn't even bother; but regardless, the October Man Sequence should only be used by hypnotherapists in a therapuetical(sp?) session at the person's request.  It is based off of Milton H. Erickson's February Man Sequence (there is a book on it) where he completely re-wrote a woman's entire identity.

Now, speaking slowly like you have a learning disasbility will not attract women.  But once you isolate her, and you can talk hypnotically, it's a very powerful tool.  You're not actually hypnotizing the woman to do anything at all, but your speech pattern is drawing her in to you.  I do it all the time without even realizing I'm doing it.  It's second-nature to me now since I've been doing it for so long.

Now, "being yourself" does work, and I'll disagree with Phoenix on that.  But, what doesn't work is when you don't know who you are, and you think you're being you.  I didn't know for the longest time who I really am.  Then it came to me.  I don't have to use hypnotic or NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming which is a form of conversational hypnosis) scripts to get a woman in to bed.  Since I know who I am, and what that person can do, I can be myself and get results just fine without having to do magic tricks or impress her in any way.  People in this particular community will always differ about the best ways to be doing it.  There's a million and one methods out there and it's up to you to find out which one is best for you and learn it.  That is if you're looking to do this.

I am not advocating that everyone learn this shit.  It's not for everybody.  You can mock us all you want about why we're in here.  But that would be like someone who's a video game programmer for picking up a book or taking a seminar on how to be a better programmer.  We're all human.  Some people need this more than others because they don't know how to interact with the opposite sex.  I had the tools I needed all along and didn't realize it until I discovered this fraternity of men looking to enhance their lives the best way possible.  And it's not just high school kids learning this stuff.  Grown ass men pay thousands of dollars to go to seminars to learn this.  I'm talking corporate executives who just can't get a woman are shelling out a few thousand dollars for ONE SEMINAR on how to find, meet, and attract women.

I'll be trolling this thread lookin' for abuse and I am willing to argue any points that anyone has to make.  But on one condition.  That we all be grown up about this and no childish, or juvenile antics.  OK?

Eric

well said man

oh and

there's a girl taking the stylelife challenge (basically a crash course for newbies to PU) with us on the boards right now

so...
yeah

it is more about a level of social competency enjoyed by few rather than the "tricks".

And I'm back...

By studying social dynamics and using that to create attraction between yourself and a person who is of legal age, that leads to consentual sex, cannot be construed as rape, on any level.

Is there manipulation that goes on with what we do?  Some times.  I'm not always 100% honest, but when I lie, it's a joke, and I'm easily called out on it.  Would you believe me if I told you I worked as a repairman for disposable cigarette lighters or as a hippo trainer?  Come on.

Now, like either Heath or Phoenix said, "This is like the Force.  You can either use it for good or bad."  I use what I've learned for the good side of things.  There are guys who go out there after learning this stuff and become congruent with it and use it to just get women in to the bed.  As long as it's consenting sex between two people of legal age, and both understand that this is just a one-time thing... no harm, no foul.  Right?

But there are people (even guys outside of the community) who are natural players and have a different girl for every day of the week.  I don't preach this kind of thing.  Hell, I don't even preach pickup in general!  I do see the moral problem with picking up and seducing women.  As long as you are not leading them down a "wrong" path, what's the harm?  If she knows, understands, and is cool with what's going down... then what's the problem?

We're not rapists.  We're not pedophiles.  We're not master manipulators.  We are seduction artists who meet, date, and sleep with beautiful, legal aged women.

cult?  ha ha you better believe that one.
no different from your group of RPG making buddies.

Cult?  No.  I can see the cult-like aspect of it.  But we're not brainwashing guys in to spending thousands and thousands of dollars on books, CDs, DVDs, and whatnot.  People do, but it's on their own accord.

There is some hero worship that goes on, yes.  People do become "social robots" and are constantly out trying to be the "ultimate" pickup artist.

But for the most part it's guys, like myself, who just weren't good with women, learning this stuff.  Some take it to the extremes.  Others do it to find themselves a nice girlfriend, and aren't interested in sleeping with 100 women a year.

There is actually a very... trying to think of a positive adjective here, gimme a sec... a certain quality of character that can be brought out in a positive light with this stuff.  Granted, learning pickup has inspired me to follow my dream of learning hypnosis.  It has gotten me to get out more, try new things, meet new people, and have more fun than what I did before.  But that's not to say that I was boring.

And Heath, Phoenix.  This is OG from the SL forums.

Heath/Phoenix/Hypno, please go away and sell this infomercial some were else....

Well, this isn't my place to be in the first place.  Just thought I'd swing by and stick up for a friend.  The Venusian Arts don't belong on a chat board that's for video game makers.  Heath, Phoenix, email close and bounce!

OG