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Title: FF7 Remake!
Post by: bluntsword on June 16, 2015, 05:30:21 PM
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kznek1uNVsg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kznek1uNVsg</a>
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Sated on June 16, 2015, 05:50:43 PM
I've said elsewhere that I don't really see the point in this. If all they do is release the same game with better graphics then so what? Gameplay > Graphics and I don't need to play the same game again just to see it look better. If they do change the gameplay a lot, as it is rumoured they might, then I fear they'll just end up ruining it.

Really not hype. More worried.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: bluntsword on June 16, 2015, 05:54:00 PM
I've said elsewhere that I don't really see the point in this. If all they do is release the same game with better graphics then so what? Gameplay > Graphics and I don't need to play the same game again just to see it look better.

(http://cdn.toucharcade.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/mzl.bbdpzooq.320x480-75.jpg)

So you didn't like this?
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: &&&&&&&&&&&&& on June 16, 2015, 07:14:35 PM
I've said elsewhere that I don't really see the point in this. If all they do is release the same game with better graphics then so what?

That is the point.
To see this world again, these characters again. They can actually make the game look as they had wanted it.
We'll actually see the world as it was meant to be, and not some low resolution background with 3d squares bumping into each other.
The characters will most likely be voiced, which will be cool.

This isn't even my favorite Final Fantasy and I'm hyped.
(I think 9 is better. I doubt we'll ever see a 9 remake, but I won't give up all hope.)

Remade FF games
1, 2, 3, 4, 6*, 7, 10**

*mobile phone 'remake' ew
**not a full remake, just an upres
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: bluntsword on June 16, 2015, 07:15:43 PM

Remade FF games
1, 2, 3, 4, 6*, 7, 10**

*mobile phone 'remake' ew
**not a full remake, just an upres

I know 6 was just a mobile remake, but it's on MY mobile, so it's kind of awesome.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: &&&&&&&&&&&&& on June 16, 2015, 07:23:32 PM
A final fantasy loved by so many, and they shoved it on phones? ;9
Most people would say FF6, FF7 or FF9 are their favorite.
(Then there are people whose favorite is FF4 or FF8.)
Now I'm curious.

First: FF4
Fave: FF9
Hate: FF13

Code: [Select]
[b]First:[/b]
[b]Fave:[/b]
[b]Hate:[/b]
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: bluntsword on June 16, 2015, 08:41:44 PM
First: FF6
Fave: FF9/FF6/FF4 (too many...)
Hate: FF2

Make. FF2. Stop.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Acolyte on June 16, 2015, 09:20:43 PM
I know it's too soon to really get a good idea of what it looks like, but the stark greyness really bothers me. Midgar was dark and gritty, sure, but there was still a lot of color and personality. I'm worried they're going to cut out everything charming about the game in order to make it more serious and edgy.

also
First: X
Fave: X (I can't help it, it just stuck with me)
Hate: XIII
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: &&&&&&&&&&&&& on June 16, 2015, 09:22:46 PM
well the ashly greyness bothers me >:(
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Sophist on June 16, 2015, 10:09:29 PM
i'm curious how well it's going to be done. Hopefully it isn't a more linear take like the previous handful of FF games, VII was a big world for what it was. Most people will likely be more concerned with capturing the spirit rather than just playing through the game again in remade HD.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: haloOfTheSun on June 16, 2015, 11:49:17 PM
10 and 13 are the worst. 6 and 9 are the best. Deal with it.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: &&&&&&&&&&&&& on June 17, 2015, 12:00:06 AM
how bout you don't mention 10 and 13 in the same breath and then i wont bunch your butt
10 was awesome

i swear on me mum i'll bunch you right in your butt
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: haloOfTheSun on June 17, 2015, 01:22:43 AM
10 had the best battle system but the story was terrible and so were all of the characters except Auron. Tidus just makes it unbearable though, the vacuous dipshit that he is.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: haloOfTheSun on June 17, 2015, 01:23:17 AM
Also I dare you to bunch my butt.

DARE YOU 8|
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: &&&&&&&&&&&&& on June 17, 2015, 01:38:00 AM
i'll bunch any butt i want
and the story was great
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: haloOfTheSun on June 17, 2015, 01:55:34 AM
wow next you'll probably tell me Eye of the Tiger IV had a great story too huh
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: &&&&&&&&&&&&& on June 17, 2015, 02:37:44 AM
what was the story then eh
huh
do you even know
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Acolyte on June 17, 2015, 03:06:43 AM
The environments of X were hands down some of the most creative of any RPG I've ever played. Tidus was pretty lame, yeah. Everyone else though? I thought Yuna had a lot of great character development, and Wakka was pretty likeable. Lulu was just sorta there, but she had some nice moments.

also dat macalania scene tho ;-;

Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Karo Rushe on June 17, 2015, 05:28:48 AM
All I can say is, finally.

People really wanted it.
I've said elsewhere that I don't really see the point in this. If all they do is release the same game with better graphics then so what? Gameplay > Graphics and I don't need to play the same game again just to see it look better. If they do change the gameplay a lot, as it is rumoured they might, then I fear they'll just end up ruining it.

Really not hype. More worried.
You see it pointless, but the majority thinks otherwise, sadly. If the remake is 'butchered', one can always play the old ps1 version.



All we got was a graphic demo to build hype, nothing more can be said at the moment ti'll we get actual gameplay trailers.

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Since we're doing this;
First: Final Fantasy 9
Favorite:Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
Hate: 13 trilog,y Never played it and I refuse to even give it a chance
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: pacdiggity on June 17, 2015, 05:30:32 AM
First: FF8
Fave: FF8
Hate: FF8

i had a fucked up childhood
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Sated on June 17, 2015, 10:14:57 AM
I've said elsewhere that I don't really see the point in this. If all they do is release the same game with better graphics then so what? Gameplay > Graphics and I don't need to play the same game again just to see it look better.
(http://cdn.toucharcade.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/mzl.bbdpzooq.320x480-75.jpg)

So you didn't like this?

Dear god no. Did anyone think that looked good? I don't even think the developer's mothers would've thought that looked good.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: bluntsword on June 17, 2015, 02:19:44 PM
I've said elsewhere that I don't really see the point in this. If all they do is release the same game with better graphics then so what? Gameplay > Graphics and I don't need to play the same game again just to see it look better.
(http://cdn.toucharcade.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/mzl.bbdpzooq.320x480-75.jpg)

So you didn't like this?

Dear god no. Did anyone think that looked good? I don't even think the developer's mothers would've thought that looked good.

Well then we differ in many ways sir.

I'm excited for the remake and hope it's awesome. I may just even save and actually get a console to play it.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Acolyte on June 17, 2015, 06:24:32 PM
(http://www.thetanooki.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/070509ffivcomp2.jpg)

I like the one where I can tell what the characters actually look like.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Sated on June 17, 2015, 06:45:12 PM
Is it just me, or does the new Cecil look like he's wearing armour on top with skinny jeans on bottom..?
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Acolyte on June 17, 2015, 06:55:26 PM
That's just the way amano's art was for him.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KfOd-5as-qM/TeK5htnUAUI/AAAAAAAAANA/kiGxGo_jWIo/s1600/cecil2.jpg)
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: bluntsword on June 17, 2015, 07:09:20 PM
Minus the underarmor underwear
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Sated on June 17, 2015, 11:49:28 PM
Genuinely never noticed that before. Weird.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Tetsune on June 18, 2015, 05:17:30 AM
I'm apprehensive myself. I haven't honestly really played much of the original VII, but I've been a fan for a long time! I AM worried that they'll keep some things out, but if they keep like 90% of the game, I'd love to see Wallmarket. Honestly. If they were going to remove anything, it'd be that LOL
I want to see revamps of things, but I also know they're going to pour hints of every sequel/prequel into it to "fix" the "inconsistencies" they added on throughout the years.
We get to say hi to Gackt again, probably. Maybe.

First: FFX
Fave: FFXII
Hate: FFXIII
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Acolyte on June 18, 2015, 06:08:07 AM
If they don't have cloud in a dress, I'm never playing another squeenix game again.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Acolyte on June 18, 2015, 06:09:54 AM
http://www.twinfinite.net/2015/06/17/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-dress/ (http://www.twinfinite.net/2015/06/17/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-dress/)


CONFIRMED

I feel 200% better about all of this.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: &&&&&&&&&&&&& on June 18, 2015, 06:21:54 AM
oh my
i'll be looking forward to the um

fan art of that scene

yeah, fan art





also porn
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: haloOfTheSun on June 18, 2015, 07:08:13 AM
I'm apprehensive myself. I haven't honestly really played much of the original VII, but I've been a fan for a long time! I AM worried that they'll keep some things out, but if they keep like 90% of the game, I'd love to see Wallmarket. Honestly. If they were going to remove anything, it'd be that LOL
I want to see revamps of things, but I also know they're going to pour hints of every sequel/prequel into it to "fix" the "inconsistencies" they added on throughout the years.
We get to say hi to Gackt again, probably. Maybe.

I don't think they'll cut much content. I do think some are inevitible, though. It's mostly a matter of how open will everything be. The original game's world is very open compared to 13's. You can go all over the world, explore towns, go in random houses, etc. I remember reading an interview a couple of years ago where Square said they're aware of the demand for the game, but to do a game as open as that with the graphics of 13 would take them more years than is feasible because there's just so much content. It really just sounded to me like they were trying to justify their hallway simulator game, but I'm sure there is some truth to it. Whether this is something as minor as cutting a few enemies or something or as big as making towns/dungeons smaller or even removing entire sections of the game we won't know, but I don't think it will be anything major. If the remake doesn't live up to the original I would imagine they know they'll never recover from that stigma.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: &&&&&&&&&&&&& on June 18, 2015, 07:12:29 AM
here's a bit of racist truths
the japanese are horrible about blame aiming

they make game X
game X sells like crazy, people ask for X2
people hate it. it's nothing like the first, and even on it's own merit it's shit. this causes x2 sells like shit
"Oh, I guess nobody wants any more X."

this happens over and over again
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: yuyu! on June 18, 2015, 07:43:12 PM
Cool! I'm surprised and not surprised at the same time. :B I think this is a pretty good idea, even if some of the die hard fans go ape shit over it -- As boe said, I imagine that it feels great for the creators to actually bring their vision to life with newer technology, and make a game that looks visually pleasing. And there's always going to be the original game for those that prefer to play it the original way. I can understand the nostalgia factors, but I think they can also be "blinders" (as Jontron would say).

First: FF8 (Or technically FF9 because I saw my sister play that first)
Fave: FF9
Hate: None. They all appear to be good games* and establishing gang wars over them is dumb. :mad:

*My idea of a "good game" is a game that could generally stand on its own; I feel that perhaps many FF games are despised because they have "Final Fantasy" in the title and do not match to grandeur of the favored children. That being said, maybe some of them really are bad. :anski2:
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: &&&&&&&&&&&&& on June 18, 2015, 09:03:33 PM
ff13, it's not only a bad final fantasy it's also just a bad game
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: yuyu! on June 18, 2015, 09:17:55 PM
My sister liked it just fine and said it would be OK as a non-FF game


but then again, it looked p lame from the cutscenes (that might just be a translation thing)
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Sated on June 18, 2015, 09:21:05 PM
I actually liked FFXIII more than most people seem to. Once it actually starts letting you do everything you can with the system, it's pretty damn good. It just takes a few hours to get there and that's terrible game design.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: haloOfTheSun on June 18, 2015, 10:19:41 PM
13 is beautiful graphically but that's all it has going for it. Even if it weren't a Final Fantasy game it would still be an abomination. Everyone throws around the hallway simulator argument, but it's the best one against it. The game could have been a sidescroller and absolutely nothing would have changed. So in that regard it's like Mario except you can't jump and you have a boring battle every 20 feet.

The paradigm system actually is sort of interesting but it was executed poorly. In no way is a game playing for you in battle fun at all. Ever. Yeah, you can input commands manually but the battle system is designed against that. Choosing your own commands is too slow in comparison to enemy actions and why would you bother when you can just push A and have it auto select the best possible actions for you to take?

Then there's that Crystarium which is the ultimate illusion in freedom. They started that crap with the Sphere Grid in 10, but at least then your choices actually mattered, even if it was a bit of an unnecessary feature. The Crystarium is just another hallway simulator. Yeah, it branches off to one or two skills as you go along, but it's not a vital decision you're making. You'll just grab those branched-off skills and continue along the leveling up hallway. And it's never even anything meaningful. Yay, there's a Strength +5 off to the side, whoopdy do! The favorite argument for the Crystarium is that at the end of the game (~20 hours of playtime later!) everyone can learn skills from any paradigm, but who cares? You aren't going to have Hope, your mage, master the Commando paradigm, because that would be stupid. I don't understand why they just didn't either give us a more traditional level up system, where your level goes up and so do your stats accordingly with a new skill every now and then, or just give us a system where we aren't drawing a line between dots that are already in a line to give us arbitrary stat increases and new skills that the game chooses automatically to use or not anyway.

And don't even get me started on the story. A third of a game's dialogue should not be your cast of characters standing around saying "I don't know what to do!".

It just takes a few hours to get there and that's terrible game design.

It takes more than a "few" hours to get there. Try 20+. And by then it doesn't even matter. All you can do is run around a big area and fight target monsters to complete quests. It feels tacked on, like they realized for 20 hours they've had the players run down a straight line and figured they better give them a little playground.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Sated on June 18, 2015, 10:39:12 PM
I wasn't referring to how long it takes to get to the surface. I didn't mind the linear sections as much as other people seemed to once they let me use everything the battle-system had to offer, because I actually found the battle system to be quite tactical and interesting. I don't know where you get the idea that you can't enter commands fast enough to do it manually, I never had any problems. I straight up turned auto-battles off, so maybe that helped..?

I agree that the game gets better once you get down onto the surface and you can do some good ol' fashioned exploring, but the much bigger problem IMO was that the first 2-3 hours feel like a very extended tutorial system. Kingdom Hearts 2 did something very similar and it was super annoying.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Acolyte on June 19, 2015, 03:33:07 AM
Hope is the worst character of any game ever.
Vanille is a close second.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: strike on June 19, 2015, 04:00:54 AM
I actually liked FFXIII more than most people seem to. Once it actually starts letting you do everything you can with the system, it's pretty damn good. It just takes a few hours to get there and that's terrible game design.
16-20 hours in. be truthful it's not a "few" hours.
actually just reread halo's post as that is my opinion word for word.

also
here's a picture of the crystarium
(http://energyquest.ca.gov/games/connect_dots/images/sun0.gif)
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: haloOfTheSun on June 19, 2015, 05:05:09 AM
Hope is the worst character of any game ever.
Vanille is a close second.

I actually hate Snow more than both of them. They're all 3 pretty terrible, though. Sazh and Lightning were the only likeable ones, and Fang kind of but if I remember right, she wasn't even developed well enough to matter.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: &&&&&&&&&&&&& on June 19, 2015, 05:34:57 AM
fang was just paine 2.0
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Sated on June 19, 2015, 11:24:53 AM
Hope starts off annoying (really annoying, in fact), but I think kthat he develops into a much-less-annoying and much-more-rounded character as the game progresses. I think that he's supposed to start off annoying since it helps emphasise how he changes over the course of the game. Tidus was similar; initially annoying (although for a completely different set of reasons) but develops into a much more mature character as the game progresses.

EDIT:

I actually liked FFXIII more than most people seem to. Once it actually starts letting you do everything you can with the system, it's pretty damn good. It just takes a few hours to get there and that's terrible game design.
16-20 hours in. be truthful it's not a "few" hours.
actually just reread halo's post as that is my opinion word for word.

Yeah, if you didn't really like the game until you got down onto the planet's surface then I can see how that would be a lot more annoying than my experience with the game. I genuinely liked the battle-system once you got to use it properly a few hours in, though, so I wasn't so mad about the on-rails exploration. When you turn off auto-battle it makes the game a lot better, I don't know why they even included that as an option.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Sophist on June 19, 2015, 02:34:20 PM
hope is a shit

vanille is my waif

dat accent
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Acolyte on June 19, 2015, 02:55:22 PM
vanille is my waif

dat accent

too bad she's a lesbian huh

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6g5i7WLkq1ru0kw8o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: yuyu! on June 19, 2015, 03:41:38 PM
What I would like to know is why 90% of the females in that game have some shade of pink hair
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: strike on June 20, 2015, 12:42:33 AM
here's a bit of racist truths
the japanese are horrible about blame aiming

they make game X
game X sells like crazy, people ask for X2
people hate it. it's nothing like the first, and even on it's own merit it's shit. this causes x2 sells like shit
"Oh, I guess nobody wants any more X."

this happens over and over again
the actual story of FFX and X-2
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: haloOfTheSun on June 23, 2015, 08:27:38 PM
Quote
In terms of taking such an iconic game and giving it a fresh feel, we can't go into too much detail but we're not intending for this to become a one-to-one remake, or just the original Final Fantasy 7 with better graphics

My goal with the remake is to make it apply to the current era, the current generation of players that are going to be coming into contact with or playing Final Fantasy 7 for the first time through this remake.

We’ve announced an HD port version on the PlayStation 4, and then we have the remake coming to PS4. You’ll have this extremely, very, very pretty FFVII existing on the same plane. We feel that if that happens, it’s like, why have the same exact game?

Prepare your butts for the worsening.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Karo Rushe on June 23, 2015, 11:27:59 PM
Quote
In terms of taking such an iconic game and giving it a fresh feel, we can't go into too much detail but we're not intending for this to become a one-to-one remake, or just the original Final Fantasy 7 with better graphics

My goal with the remake is to make it apply to the current era, the current generation of players that are going to be coming into contact with or playing Final Fantasy 7 for the first time through this remake.

We’ve announced an HD port version on the PlayStation 4, and then we have the remake coming to PS4. You’ll have this extremely, very, very pretty FFVII existing on the same plane. We feel that if that happens, it’s like, why have the same exact game?

Prepare your butts for the worsening.
Oh for the love of Jenova!!! So much for the hype.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: haloOfTheSun on June 24, 2015, 07:29:11 AM
Quote
As far as gameplay is concerned, Nomura said the remake will feature "a more realistic system."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/23/final-fantasy-7-remake-wont-add-new-characters

Every interview just makes this sound worse and worse. It's like they're already doing damage control. I bet this ends up being just another "action" RPG, where you only control Cloud and all the other characters are suddenly arbitrary and meaningless in combat.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Karo Rushe on June 24, 2015, 07:54:19 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they turn it into a button-smasher along the way.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: &&&&&&&&&&&&& on June 24, 2015, 08:00:30 AM
still looking forward to it
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: Karo Rushe on June 24, 2015, 08:53:55 AM
You know what came to me, the problem is that the hype, and the expectations some of us have is so high, it might be what is making us worry, as it won't live up to our high expectations and worry of change. Should it be A realistic battle system or ATB, changes like Halo said, in my own worry, deep down, I'm curious as to what they might come up with, maybe it'll be a disaster, or maybe it might even be wonderful, we won't know ti'll we get to see it.

I worried on Jurassic World's thing with the Raptors been tamed,  and I ended up liking how it came out . . . so I'll just give FF7 Remake (Or perhaps, Reboot) a chance.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: bluntsword on June 24, 2015, 05:40:06 PM
I suppose that's why they're doing the HD port. To have something near similar with (hopefully?) improved graphics. Not what we saw, but some life could be breathed into those polygons I'm sure.

Then they make another game that is based off/akin to/kind of like FF7 for the "new generation?"

I'm confused but hopeful.
Title: Re: FF7 Remake!
Post by: modern algebra on June 27, 2015, 04:42:41 AM
I liked FF7, but I don't have a deep attachment to it. I'm excited to see what they change.