A majority of the people who are gay have been abused by their fathers. I don't mean physical abuse or anything, maybe just something like no attention.
A majority of the people who are gay have been abused by their fathers. I don't mean physical abuse or anything, maybe just something like no attention. Et cetera. Trying to fill their life with a male figure.
@Halo : It's natural for humans to try and fill their lives with something they never had as children. It's not a difficult concept. For example, a guy who never had enough money to get toys as a child ends up spoiling himself when he gets the money to. Stuff like that.You have a point, but since when did "Abuse by father" lead to "Lets have sex with the same gender"
@Halo : It's natural for humans to try and fill their lives with something they never had as children. It's not a difficult concept. For example, a guy who never had enough money to get toys as a child ends up spoiling himself when he gets the money to. Stuff like that.You have a point, but since when did "Abuse by father" lead to "Lets have sex with the same gender"
I don't like them because I find the thought of anal sex disgusting, even when it's a man and women preforming anal sex. Something about it seem so damn wrong.
QuoteI don't like them because I find the thought of anal sex disgusting, even when it's a man and women preforming anal sex. Something about it seem so damn wrong.
Ah, I don't see anything wrong with it. But to each his own - some sexual positions aren't ideal to other people. However, what people do in their bedrooms shouldn't affect your opinion of them. It's their own business, and as long as they're not shouting their sexual feats in your face, you shouldn't think less of them.
Why are you guys bringing religion into this?Religion stops here. :-X
Ah, but it is my belief that if God truly didn't want homosexuality then he would have made sexual attraction between men nonexistant. Also I'd like to think that God wants us to do what makes us happy.
Homosexuality is not a choice, nobody chooses to be gay. There's plenty of reasons why someone wouldn't volunteer to be gay but the blantantly obvious one is the horrible discrimination, it would be much easier to be straight and considered 'normal.'
Ah, but it is my belief that if God truly didn't want homosexuality then he would have made sexual attraction between men nonexistant. Also I'd like to think that God wants us to do what makes us happy.If the God that you propose wants an individual to do whatever makes him happy, then that God does justify murder and torture so long as it is what makes the individual happy, and so it can't really be a good God to advocate.
live your life by doing what makes you happy without hurting others
That's not a particularly strong argument, as people choose a lot of things that lead to horrible discrimination, such as a religion. And in fact, in general, it is easier to be non-religious then it is to be religious. This doesn't really need a "for instance" as it's pretty obvious, but I figure I'll point out Muslims in the United States anyway. Thus, saying that homosexuality is not a choice because it makes life harder is a flawed statement, as it is a fact that people willfully choose lifestyles that lead to discrimination or difficulty. Now, I don't believe homosexuality is a choice either, but I felt I should point out that that argument has a critical flaw.
saying that homosexuality is not a choice because it makes life harder is a flawed statement
Homosexuality is not a choice, nobody chooses to be gay. BESIDES, there's plenty of reasons why someone wouldn't volunteer to be gay but the blantantly obvious one is the horrible discrimination
as it is contrary to most religious belief concerning free will.
I just felt it would be a good idea to point out to you that your arguments are rather poor, and you'd be better served to develop them a little further.
Ah, but it is my belief that if God truly didn't want homosexuality then he would have made sexual attraction between men nonexistant. Also I'd like to think that God wants us to do what makes us happy.
If parents didn't like their children screaming they wouldn't have children.
it is my belief that if God truly didn't want homosexuality then he would have made sexual attraction between men nonexistant
Do you understand? We're not bringing God into this, you are.
I'm glad you're not questioning that homosexuality is not a choice, because from my own personal opinion it's NOT one and trust me I tried my hardest to get rid of any traces of gayness in me. But I guess your whole paragraph really is pointless arguing since you agree with me in the end anyway. One thing that I'm confused about though is this quote:
Homosexuality is not a choice, nobody chooses to be gay. BESIDES, there's plenty of reasons why someone wouldn't volunteer to be gay but the blantantly obvious one is the horrible discrimination
I don't think that anybody in this conversation, Christian or otherwise, believes that homosexual attraction is a sin.
I apologize if you were not referring to sex
belief that most Christians do not believe homosexual attraction is sinful,
If you really didn't want to talk about God, then you shouldn't have made a statement which a lot of religious people and/or logicians would find fault with.
what are you trying to do with the second part at all if it is an aside?
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
Ah, but it is my belief that if God truly didn't want homosexuality then he would have made sexual attraction between men nonexistant. Also I'd like to think that God wants us to do what makes us happy.
Also I'd like to think that God wants us to do what makes us happy.
To the people going on about "God" here ;If you're not a Christian, why do you say what the Christians believe? I'm a Christian, and what you just said couldn't be further from the truth. Admittedly, I believe their are some denominations that believe that, but not all. :/
I'm no Christian but from what I've heard of the Bible, all a Christian needs to do to be part of "Heaven" is to accept Jesus as their saviour. The Bible says he died for their sins, as in, he took all that punishment FOR their sins. The Bible states that no man is perfect, and that the only way to Heaven is by Jesus, not by trying not to sin. I can't remember which part of the Bible it was 'coz I don't read it every day, but I'm sure the Christians here will know.
To the people going on about "God" here ;
I'm no Christian but from what I've heard of the Bible, all a Christian needs to do to be part of "Heaven" is to accept Jesus as their saviour. The Bible says he died for their sins, as in, he took all that punishment FOR their sins. The Bible states that no man is perfect, and that the only way to Heaven is by Jesus, not by trying not to sin. I can't remember which part of the Bible it was 'coz I don't read it every day, but I'm sure the Christians here will know.
I've never actually met someone with an irrational fear or hatred of homosexuality.Hardcore Christians probably have what you describe there. Since The Bible describes being Gay is bad.
I'm normalNormal is subjective, only what you perceive to be normal is infact normal. I don't mind gays as long as they aren't flamers, or parading down the fucking street saying how proud they are to be gay. There isn't a straight pride march, there shouldn't be a gay one.
Kefka, no religion pls.i was giving an example who could have a irrational fear or hatred towards homosexuals.
I don't mind gays as long as they aren't flamers, or parading down the fucking street saying how proud they are to be gay. There isn't a straight pride march, there shouldn't be a gay one.I agree as long as they don't bother me.
A majority of the people who are gay have been abused by their fathers.That's a lie.
I've always been sexually attracted to girls. (I started checking them out in the 4th? grade *I was in the 4th grade too -_- *)
I've never been sexually attracted to boys, but I have been emotionally attracted to them.
Like one of my friends, I believe that everybody is attracted to someone of their own sex at one point, it's simply how far you allow that attraction to go. I never allowed my attraction to go into a sexual attraction.
If it was wrong, then the "God" that these people assume wouldn't have ever allowed one to actually fell for another of our own sex.
QuoteIf it was wrong, then the "God" that these people assume wouldn't have ever allowed one to actually fell for another of our own sex.
I am going to be brutally honest. That is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard - and I have heard it one too many times.
If what you say is true, then it must be okay to rape and horribly maim children after murdering their parents in front of their eyes. After all, it happens, so God must be okay with it.
Also, I've never seen an "amputee pride" parade, but you can bet your next paycheck that I would watch that one.
It is very easy to compare being gay to rape, but there's a key difference: People who rape children are have at some point in their lives been screwed with, or they just have some sort of mental disorder.
People who are gay are born that way, except in certain cases. Umm, the rape thing i suppose o.O.
People who go in gay pride parades probably have alot when they do it. good for them.
It is very easy to compare being gay to rape, but there's a key difference: People who rape children are have at some point in their lives been screwed with, or they just have some sort of mental disorder.
People who are gay are born that way, except in certain cases. Umm, the rape thing i suppose o.O.
People who go in gay pride parades probably have alot when they do it. good for them.
I dont understand any of that... If anyone else understood it, care to elaborate?
But if your saying what i think, then i think you mis-interprated what he was saying, he wasnt comparing being gay to rape, someone said that if it was so wrong then god would have basically got rid of them, and he replied by saying something like "Since god hasnt killed them then he must be ok with it, same with people who rape/maim kids, god hasnt killed them. So it must be ok."
I think thats what he was getting at anyway. But back on topic anyway
Like i stated before. Be gay, i dont care, just dont walk down the street shouting it so that everyone hears, cus they probably dont even care.
I don't really know if being pedo will ever be accepted, what sane mother would let her 5 year old daughter have sex with some old bum? Even if people loosened up about it there will always be parents who find the idea disgusting. Unless you're looking, like, a couple of hundred years into the future where everyone thinks differently and thinks banging children is great.
My personal View... I have no issue what so ever with them.
The only thing I do worry a little about is if other Sexual orientations become accepted.
You see, it wasn't too long ago that being Gay could get you spending a term in Jain, almost for as long as being a Pedo.
My worry is, that in a 10 years or so, people just see Pedo's as being normal or people that fancy animals or something... Don't get me wrong I am not likening Gays to Perverse and unatural people like animal shaggers and Pedo's... I am just saying soon nothing will be tabo and it could be that all sexual desires are seen as normal.
I think Laws are in place for a reason... Being Gay, must be very hard... But I guess for the Pedo's and Animal shaggers it is also... AH...
I dunno really... I don't think it is natural to fancy the same sex or take residence and kick start a relationship... But saying that, I am not Gay... So I am not faced with the hardship they have.
I think every one Desrves to be happy as long as they are not hurting anyone in the process.
But I think moving the Bar on what os socially acceptable is hurting people... On a small mental level.
Does that make sense...?
Nope.... But then what does in the world we are in today... LOL
Perversion (also called wrongheadedness) is a concept describing those types of human behavior that are perceived to be a serious deviation from what is considered to be orthodox or normal. Although it can refer to varying forms of deviation, it is most often used to describe sexual behaviors that are seen as abnormal or excessive. Perversion differs from deviant behavior, since the latter refers to a recognized violation of social rules or norms (although the two terms can apply to the same thing).
Ok, this topic is old, but I just had to say:
Gay people are already accepted, it just depends on where you go.
In all seriousness, the day we people start thinking as individuals rather than hive minds linked to these megalith organizations that precede the dark ages, that is the day when we may finally be able to lessen intollerance to the degree that maybe homosexuality may not be seen as a condemned act.
Just a historical note, the days preceding the dark ages were actually better than the dark ages. A lot of major literature produced then is still studied today, so that's not a very compelling point. Further, a lot of religions in their present form do not precede the dark ages. And I also find it ironic that you are complaining about people's ignorance while simultaneously demonstrating how ignorant you are about the belief systems of several major religions.
No, GuardianAngel was. I didn't really address your post as I agree with it. Except for the I am a gay people part. I'm not a gay people.